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#1: ADNIA

Posted on 2006-07-23 05:47:38 by John Rogers

<a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22,0,7685210.story" target="_blank"> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22, 0,7685210.story</a>

or

<a href="http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs</a>


John Rogers
AU Class of 1985
The Al Del Greco of Atlanta

&quot;I will choose a path thats clear.
I will choose free will.&quot;

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#2: Re: ADNIA

Posted on 2006-07-23 07:05:24 by rjones

John Rogers wrote:
&gt; <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22,0,7685210.story" target="_blank"> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22, 0,7685210.story</a>
&gt;
&gt; or
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs</a>

I hadn't figured you as one of the people considering the denizens of
the WTC to be little Eichmann's.

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#3: Re: ADNIA

Posted on 2006-07-23 08:00:22 by Unclaimed Mysteries

John Rogers wrote:
&gt; <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22,0,7685210.story" target="_blank"> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22, 0,7685210.story</a>
&gt;
&gt; or
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs</a>
&gt;


&quot;Every civilian death is a tragedy, but some are more tragic than others.&quot;

Well, at least he's upfront about his moral relativism. Alas, a man I
used to admire has become a bizarre and sadistic crackpot. Who knows, in
his fevered mind that opinion alone could make me equivalent to
HITLER!1!1~!!

But so what? Being called anti-Semitic by Alan Dershowitz is kinda like
being called racist by Al Sharpton. In both cases, the accuser has
diluted the terms to the point where they have no power over the
accused. Rsfck them both.

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#4: Re: ADNIA

Posted on 2006-07-23 12:34:46 by eagle

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 06:00:22 GMT, Unclaimed Mysteries
&lt;<a href="mailto:the_letter_k_and_the_numeral_4_doh&#64;unclaimedmysteries.net" target="_blank">the_letter_k_and_the_numeral_4_doh&#64;unclaimedmysteries.net</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;But so what? Being called anti-Semitic by Alan Dershowitz is kinda like
&gt;being called racist by Al Sharpton. In both cases, the accuser has
&gt;diluted the terms to the point where they have no power over the
&gt;accused. Rsfck them both.

Brilliant!

Turn Israel loose. They might win the first war since WWII.

Hugh

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#5: Re: ADNIA

Posted on 2006-07-23 16:43:21 by James Schrumpf

Quiet, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt; -- I'm transmitting
rage.

&gt; John Rogers wrote:
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22,0,7685210." target="_blank"> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22, 0,7685210.</a>
&gt;&gt; story
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; or
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs</a>
&gt;
&gt; I hadn't figured you as one of the people considering the denizens of
&gt; the WTC to be little Eichmann's.
&gt;

How does one confabulate working in the offices of Sachs-Goldman with
storing Katyusha rockets in the house?

Or is it you figure the US to be just another terrorist group?
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#6: Re: ADNIA

Posted on 2006-07-23 17:11:19 by rjones

James Schrumpf wrote:
&gt; Quiet, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt; -- I'm transmitting
&gt; rage.
&gt;
&gt;&gt; John Rogers wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22,0,7685210." target="_blank"> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22, 0,7685210.</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt; story
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; or
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs</a>
&gt;&gt; I hadn't figured you as one of the people considering the denizens of
&gt;&gt; the WTC to be little Eichmann's.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; How does one confabulate working in the offices of Sachs-Goldman with
&gt; storing Katyusha rockets in the house?
&gt;
&gt; Or is it you figure the US to be just another terrorist group?

No, I just figure that there is a continuum of civilianality and that
some civilian deaths are more tragic than others.

You and your elk are cute with that &quot;terrorist&quot; word. I suppose that we
can simultaneously believe that civilianality is a nuanced continuum,
but terroristality is a clearly defined concept on which to base your
judgments of whether the civilianality continuum ought to be applied.

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#7: Re: ADNIA

Posted on 2006-07-23 17:40:15 by John Rogers

Yeah, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt;, well... that's just
like... your opinion man.

&gt;James Schrumpf wrote:
&gt;&gt; Quiet, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt; -- I'm transmitting
&gt;&gt; rage.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; John Rogers wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22,0,7685210." target="_blank"> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22, 0,7685210.</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; story
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; or
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt; I hadn't figured you as one of the people considering the denizens of
&gt;&gt;&gt; the WTC to be little Eichmann's.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; How does one confabulate working in the offices of Sachs-Goldman with
&gt;&gt; storing Katyusha rockets in the house?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Or is it you figure the US to be just another terrorist group?
&gt;
&gt;No, I just figure that there is a continuum of civilianality and that
&gt;some civilian deaths are more tragic than others.
&gt;
&gt;You and your elk are cute with that &quot;terrorist&quot; word. I suppose that we
&gt;can simultaneously believe that civilianality is a nuanced continuum,
&gt;but terroristality is a clearly defined concept on which to base your
&gt;judgments of whether the civilianality continuum ought to be applied.

Why didn't you just come out and say that you support Hezbollah in the
first place?


John Rogers
AU Class of 1985
The Al Del Greco of Atlanta

&quot;I will choose a path thats clear.
I will choose free will.&quot;

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#8: Re: ADNIA

Posted on 2006-07-23 17:49:53 by James Schrumpf

Quiet, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt; -- I'm transmitting
rage.

&gt; James Schrumpf wrote:
&gt;&gt; Quiet, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt; -- I'm transmitting
&gt;&gt; rage.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; John Rogers wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22,0,768521" target="_blank"> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22, 0,768521</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 0. story
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; or
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt; I hadn't figured you as one of the people considering the denizens
&gt;&gt;&gt; of the WTC to be little Eichmann's.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; How does one confabulate working in the offices of Sachs-Goldman with
&gt;&gt; storing Katyusha rockets in the house?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Or is it you figure the US to be just another terrorist group?
&gt;
&gt; No, I just figure that there is a continuum of civilianality and that
&gt; some civilian deaths are more tragic than others.
&gt;
&gt; You and your elk are cute with that &quot;terrorist&quot; word. I suppose that
&gt; we can simultaneously believe that civilianality is a nuanced
&gt; continuum, but terroristality is a clearly defined concept on which to
&gt; base your judgments of whether the civilianality continuum ought to be
&gt; applied.
&gt;

Do you deny the obvious truth that a &quot;civilian&quot; who lets terrorists hide
rockets in his house is a less tragic loss than a 14-year old in an
pizza parlor?

I think the world is pretty comfortable with using the actual word
&quot;terrorist&quot; to mean those who actually plan or carry out the acts.

&quot;Civilian&quot; is what's getting harder to define these days.

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#9: Re: ADNIA

Posted on 2006-07-23 20:03:21 by Trevor Zion Bauknight

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:Xns9809785C32FC4jaschrumpfadelphiane&#64;216.196.97.142" target="_blank">Xns9809785C32FC4jaschrumpfadelphiane&#64;216.196.97.142</a>&gt;,
James Schrumpf &lt;<a href="mailto:jaspammenotschrumpf&#64;adelphia.nospamnet" target="_blank">jaspammenotschrumpf&#64;adelphia.nospamnet</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22,0,768521" target="_blank"> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22, 0,768521</a>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 0. story
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; or
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs</a>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; I hadn't figured you as one of the people considering the denizens
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; of the WTC to be little Eichmann's.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; How does one confabulate working in the offices of Sachs-Goldman with
&gt; &gt;&gt; storing Katyusha rockets in the house?
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Or is it you figure the US to be just another terrorist group?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; No, I just figure that there is a continuum of civilianality and that
&gt; &gt; some civilian deaths are more tragic than others.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; You and your elk are cute with that &quot;terrorist&quot; word. I suppose that
&gt; &gt; we can simultaneously believe that civilianality is a nuanced
&gt; &gt; continuum, but terroristality is a clearly defined concept on which to
&gt; &gt; base your judgments of whether the civilianality continuum ought to be
&gt; &gt; applied.
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; Do you deny the obvious truth that a &quot;civilian&quot; who lets terrorists hide
&gt; rockets in his house is a less tragic loss than a 14-year old in an
&gt; pizza parlor?
&gt;
&gt; I think the world is pretty comfortable with using the actual word
&gt; &quot;terrorist&quot; to mean those who actually plan or carry out the acts.
&gt;
&gt; &quot;Civilian&quot; is what's getting harder to define these days.

These days? Israeli citizens have been walking around armed with
automatic weapons for quite a while.

--
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Kucinich.&quot; - C. Beauchamp

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#10: Re: ADNIA

Posted on 2006-07-23 20:29:21 by Charles Beauchamp

Trevor Zion Bauknight wrote:
&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:Xns9809785C32FC4jaschrumpfadelphiane&#64;216.196.97.142" target="_blank">Xns9809785C32FC4jaschrumpfadelphiane&#64;216.196.97.142</a>&gt;,
&gt; James Schrumpf &lt;<a href="mailto:jaspammenotschrumpf&#64;adelphia.nospamnet" target="_blank">jaspammenotschrumpf&#64;adelphia.nospamnet</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22,0,768521" target="_blank"> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22, 0,768521</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 0. story
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; or
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I hadn't figured you as one of the people considering the denizens
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; of the WTC to be little Eichmann's.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; How does one confabulate working in the offices of Sachs-Goldman
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; with storing Katyusha rockets in the house?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Or is it you figure the US to be just another terrorist group?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; No, I just figure that there is a continuum of civilianality and
&gt;&gt;&gt; that some civilian deaths are more tragic than others.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; You and your elk are cute with that &quot;terrorist&quot; word. I suppose
&gt;&gt;&gt; that we can simultaneously believe that civilianality is a nuanced
&gt;&gt;&gt; continuum, but terroristality is a clearly defined concept on which
&gt;&gt;&gt; to base your judgments of whether the civilianality continuum ought
&gt;&gt;&gt; to be applied.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Do you deny the obvious truth that a &quot;civilian&quot; who lets terrorists
&gt;&gt; hide rockets in his house is a less tragic loss than a 14-year old
&gt;&gt; in an pizza parlor?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I think the world is pretty comfortable with using the actual word
&gt;&gt; &quot;terrorist&quot; to mean those who actually plan or carry out the acts.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &quot;Civilian&quot; is what's getting harder to define these days.
&gt;
&gt; These days? Israeli citizens have been walking around armed with
&gt; automatic weapons for quite a while.

Whew! There you go again just firing up fiction.
--
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&quot;You know one things that's wrong with this country? Everybody gets a
chance to have their fair say.&quot; - President Clinton 28 May 1993

&quot;There is nothing patriotic about hating your country, or pretending
that you can love your country but despise your government.&quot; -
President Clinton 5 May 1995

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#11: Re: ADNIA

Posted on 2006-07-23 20:31:18 by Charles Beauchamp

John Rogers wrote:
&gt; <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22,0,7685210.story" target="_blank"> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22, 0,7685210.story</a>
&gt;
&gt; or
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs</a>
&gt;

That is the most perfect article/commentary by Alan Dershowitz ever. The
librul Israel haters are not going to like it and will pretend that teens in
a nightclub in Haifa are identical to families that support the guys with
the artillery piece in front of their home in Lebanon. But liberals are
insane by definition.


--
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&quot;You know one things that's wrong with this country? Everybody gets a
chance to have their fair say.&quot; - President Clinton 28 May 1993

&quot;There is nothing patriotic about hating your country, or pretending
that you can love your country but despise your government.&quot; -
President Clinton 5 May 1995

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#12: Re: ADNIA

Posted on 2006-07-23 20:33:56 by James Schrumpf

Quiet, &quot;Charles Beauchamp&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:C.E.Beauchamp&#64;NOSPAMcomcast.net" target="_blank">C.E.Beauchamp&#64;NOSPAMcomcast.net</a>&gt; -- I'm
transmitting rage.

&gt; Trevor Zion Bauknight wrote:
&gt;&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:Xns9809785C32FC4jaschrumpfadelphiane&#64;216.196.97.142" target="_blank">Xns9809785C32FC4jaschrumpfadelphiane&#64;216.196.97.142</a>&gt;,
&gt;&gt; James Schrumpf &lt;<a href="mailto:jaspammenotschrumpf&#64;adelphia.nospamnet" target="_blank">jaspammenotschrumpf&#64;adelphia.nospamnet</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22,0,768" target="_blank"> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22, 0,768</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 521 0. story
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; or
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I hadn't figured you as one of the people considering the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; denizens of the WTC to be little Eichmann's.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; How does one confabulate working in the offices of Sachs-Goldman
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; with storing Katyusha rockets in the house?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Or is it you figure the US to be just another terrorist group?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; No, I just figure that there is a continuum of civilianality and
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that some civilian deaths are more tragic than others.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; You and your elk are cute with that &quot;terrorist&quot; word. I suppose
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that we can simultaneously believe that civilianality is a nuanced
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; continuum, but terroristality is a clearly defined concept on which
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; to base your judgments of whether the civilianality continuum ought
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; to be applied.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Do you deny the obvious truth that a &quot;civilian&quot; who lets terrorists
&gt;&gt;&gt; hide rockets in his house is a less tragic loss than a 14-year old
&gt;&gt;&gt; in an pizza parlor?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I think the world is pretty comfortable with using the actual word
&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;terrorist&quot; to mean those who actually plan or carry out the acts.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;Civilian&quot; is what's getting harder to define these days.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; These days? Israeli citizens have been walking around armed with
&gt;&gt; automatic weapons for quite a while.
&gt;
&gt; Whew! There you go again just firing up fiction.

Fer sure. I was waiting for a cite of some kind, but then I realized he
was making it up.


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#13: Re: ADNIA

Posted on 2006-07-23 21:23:15 by Charles Beauchamp

James Schrumpf wrote:
&gt; Quiet, &quot;Charles Beauchamp&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:C.E.Beauchamp&#64;NOSPAMcomcast.net" target="_blank">C.E.Beauchamp&#64;NOSPAMcomcast.net</a>&gt; -- I'm
&gt; transmitting rage.
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Trevor Zion Bauknight wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:Xns9809785C32FC4jaschrumpfadelphiane&#64;216.196.97.142" target="_blank">Xns9809785C32FC4jaschrumpfadelphiane&#64;216.196.97.142</a>&gt;,
&gt;&gt;&gt; James Schrumpf &lt;<a href="mailto:jaspammenotschrumpf&#64;adelphia.nospamnet" target="_blank">jaspammenotschrumpf&#64;adelphia.nospamnet</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22,0,768" target="_blank"> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22, 0,768</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 521 0. story
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; or
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I hadn't figured you as one of the people considering the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; denizens of the WTC to be little Eichmann's.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; How does one confabulate working in the offices of Sachs-Goldman
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; with storing Katyusha rockets in the house?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Or is it you figure the US to be just another terrorist group?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; No, I just figure that there is a continuum of civilianality and
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that some civilian deaths are more tragic than others.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; You and your elk are cute with that &quot;terrorist&quot; word. I suppose
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that we can simultaneously believe that civilianality is a nuanced
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; continuum, but terroristality is a clearly defined concept on
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; which to base your judgments of whether the civilianality
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; continuum ought to be applied.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Do you deny the obvious truth that a &quot;civilian&quot; who lets terrorists
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; hide rockets in his house is a less tragic loss than a 14-year old
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; in an pizza parlor?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I think the world is pretty comfortable with using the actual word
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;terrorist&quot; to mean those who actually plan or carry out the acts.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;Civilian&quot; is what's getting harder to define these days.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; These days? Israeli citizens have been walking around armed with
&gt;&gt;&gt; automatic weapons for quite a while.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Whew! There you go again just firing up fiction.
&gt;
&gt; Fer sure. I was waiting for a cite of some kind, but then I realized
&gt; he was making it up.

He is going to wait til Michael Moore tells him what the real story is.
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#14: Re: ADNIA

Posted on 2006-07-24 00:40:15 by rjones

John Rogers wrote:
&gt; Yeah, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt;, well... that's just
&gt; like... your opinion man.
&gt;
&gt;&gt; James Schrumpf wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; Quiet, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt; -- I'm transmitting
&gt;&gt;&gt; rage.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; John Rogers wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22,0,7685210." target="_blank"> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22, 0,7685210.</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; story
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; or
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I hadn't figured you as one of the people considering the denizens of
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the WTC to be little Eichmann's.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; How does one confabulate working in the offices of Sachs-Goldman with
&gt;&gt;&gt; storing Katyusha rockets in the house?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Or is it you figure the US to be just another terrorist group?
&gt;&gt; No, I just figure that there is a continuum of civilianality and that
&gt;&gt; some civilian deaths are more tragic than others.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; You and your elk are cute with that &quot;terrorist&quot; word. I suppose that we
&gt;&gt; can simultaneously believe that civilianality is a nuanced continuum,
&gt;&gt; but terroristality is a clearly defined concept on which to base your
&gt;&gt; judgments of whether the civilianality continuum ought to be applied.
&gt;
&gt; Why didn't you just come out and say that you support Hezbollah in the
&gt; first place?

I support Sachs-Goldman.

I'm also a (US) defense contractor. Where do I fall on the
civilianality continuum, do you suppose?

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#15: Re: ADNIA

Posted on 2006-07-24 00:41:25 by rjones

James Schrumpf wrote:
&gt; Quiet, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt; -- I'm transmitting
&gt; rage.
&gt;
&gt;&gt; James Schrumpf wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; Quiet, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt; -- I'm transmitting
&gt;&gt;&gt; rage.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; John Rogers wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22,0,768521" target="_blank"> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22, 0,768521</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 0. story
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; or
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I hadn't figured you as one of the people considering the denizens
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; of the WTC to be little Eichmann's.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; How does one confabulate working in the offices of Sachs-Goldman with
&gt;&gt;&gt; storing Katyusha rockets in the house?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Or is it you figure the US to be just another terrorist group?
&gt;&gt; No, I just figure that there is a continuum of civilianality and that
&gt;&gt; some civilian deaths are more tragic than others.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; You and your elk are cute with that &quot;terrorist&quot; word. I suppose that
&gt;&gt; we can simultaneously believe that civilianality is a nuanced
&gt;&gt; continuum, but terroristality is a clearly defined concept on which to
&gt;&gt; base your judgments of whether the civilianality continuum ought to be
&gt;&gt; applied.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Do you deny the obvious truth that a &quot;civilian&quot; who lets terrorists hide
&gt; rockets in his house is a less tragic loss than a 14-year old in an
&gt; pizza parlor?
&gt;
&gt; I think the world is pretty comfortable with using the actual word
&gt; &quot;terrorist&quot; to mean those who actually plan or carry out the acts.
&gt;
&gt; &quot;Civilian&quot; is what's getting harder to define these days.
&gt;

The point is that you and Mr. Derhsowitz would have us believe that the
word &quot;Civilian&quot; is only getting harder to define on the &quot;terrorist&quot;
side, and not on the &quot;good guy&quot; side.

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#16: Re: ADNIA

Posted on 2006-07-24 00:49:58 by John Rogers

Yeah, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt;, well... that's just
like... your opinion man.

&gt;John Rogers wrote:
&gt;&gt; Yeah, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt;, well... that's just
&gt;&gt; like... your opinion man.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; James Schrumpf wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Quiet, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt; -- I'm transmitting
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; rage.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; John Rogers wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22,0,7685210." target="_blank"> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22, 0,7685210.</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; story
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; or
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I hadn't figured you as one of the people considering the denizens of
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the WTC to be little Eichmann's.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; How does one confabulate working in the offices of Sachs-Goldman with
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; storing Katyusha rockets in the house?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Or is it you figure the US to be just another terrorist group?
&gt;&gt;&gt; No, I just figure that there is a continuum of civilianality and that
&gt;&gt;&gt; some civilian deaths are more tragic than others.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; You and your elk are cute with that &quot;terrorist&quot; word. I suppose that we
&gt;&gt;&gt; can simultaneously believe that civilianality is a nuanced continuum,
&gt;&gt;&gt; but terroristality is a clearly defined concept on which to base your
&gt;&gt;&gt; judgments of whether the civilianality continuum ought to be applied.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Why didn't you just come out and say that you support Hezbollah in the
&gt;&gt; first place?
&gt;
&gt;I support Sachs-Goldman.
&gt;
&gt;I'm also a (US) defense contractor. Where do I fall on the
&gt;civilianality continuum, do you suppose?

&quot;Community of Idiocy&quot; comes to mind.


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The Al Del Greco of Atlanta

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I will choose free will.&quot;

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#17: Re: ADNIA

Posted on 2006-07-24 01:12:37 by James Schrumpf

Quiet, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt; -- I'm transmitting
rage.

&gt; James Schrumpf wrote:
&gt;&gt; Quiet, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt; -- I'm transmitting
&gt;&gt; rage.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; James Schrumpf wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Quiet, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt; -- I'm
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; transmitting rage.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; John Rogers wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22,0,7685" target="_blank"> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22, 0,7685</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 21 0. story
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; or
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I hadn't figured you as one of the people considering the denizens
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; of the WTC to be little Eichmann's.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; How does one confabulate working in the offices of Sachs-Goldman
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; with storing Katyusha rockets in the house?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Or is it you figure the US to be just another terrorist group?
&gt;&gt;&gt; No, I just figure that there is a continuum of civilianality and
&gt;&gt;&gt; that some civilian deaths are more tragic than others.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; You and your elk are cute with that &quot;terrorist&quot; word. I suppose
&gt;&gt;&gt; that we can simultaneously believe that civilianality is a nuanced
&gt;&gt;&gt; continuum, but terroristality is a clearly defined concept on which
&gt;&gt;&gt; to base your judgments of whether the civilianality continuum ought
&gt;&gt;&gt; to be applied.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Do you deny the obvious truth that a &quot;civilian&quot; who lets terrorists
&gt;&gt; hide rockets in his house is a less tragic loss than a 14-year old in
&gt;&gt; an pizza parlor?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I think the world is pretty comfortable with using the actual word
&gt;&gt; &quot;terrorist&quot; to mean those who actually plan or carry out the acts.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &quot;Civilian&quot; is what's getting harder to define these days.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; The point is that you and Mr. Derhsowitz would have us believe that
&gt; the word &quot;Civilian&quot; is only getting harder to define on the
&gt; &quot;terrorist&quot; side, and not on the &quot;good guy&quot; side.
&gt;

Heh. Hardly.

For example, how many cry and weep (except for their families, of
course) when the US &quot;civlian contractors&quot; are killed in Iraq or
Afghanistan?

Are NSA technicians manning listening posts civilians? They wear no
uniforms nor carry weapons. I guess you've probably long ago written
them off your list of &quot;civilians&quot; in the war zones.

It's harder and harder on both sides to determine &quot;civilians&quot;, yet the
news constantly harp about &quot;civilian casualties.&quot; That's the point
Dershowitz is making.

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#18: Re: ADNIA

Posted on 2006-07-24 01:18:22 by rjones

James Schrumpf wrote:
&gt; Quiet, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt; -- I'm transmitting
&gt; rage.
&gt;
&gt;&gt; James Schrumpf wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; Quiet, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt; -- I'm transmitting
&gt;&gt;&gt; rage.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; James Schrumpf wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Quiet, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt; -- I'm
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; transmitting rage.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; John Rogers wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22,0,7685" target="_blank"> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22, 0,7685</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 21 0. story
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; or
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I hadn't figured you as one of the people considering the denizens
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; of the WTC to be little Eichmann's.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; How does one confabulate working in the offices of Sachs-Goldman
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; with storing Katyusha rockets in the house?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Or is it you figure the US to be just another terrorist group?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; No, I just figure that there is a continuum of civilianality and
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that some civilian deaths are more tragic than others.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; You and your elk are cute with that &quot;terrorist&quot; word. I suppose
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that we can simultaneously believe that civilianality is a nuanced
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; continuum, but terroristality is a clearly defined concept on which
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; to base your judgments of whether the civilianality continuum ought
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; to be applied.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Do you deny the obvious truth that a &quot;civilian&quot; who lets terrorists
&gt;&gt;&gt; hide rockets in his house is a less tragic loss than a 14-year old in
&gt;&gt;&gt; an pizza parlor?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I think the world is pretty comfortable with using the actual word
&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;terrorist&quot; to mean those who actually plan or carry out the acts.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;Civilian&quot; is what's getting harder to define these days.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; The point is that you and Mr. Derhsowitz would have us believe that
&gt;&gt; the word &quot;Civilian&quot; is only getting harder to define on the
&gt;&gt; &quot;terrorist&quot; side, and not on the &quot;good guy&quot; side.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Heh. Hardly.
&gt;
&gt; For example, how many cry and weep (except for their families, of
&gt; course) when the US &quot;civlian contractors&quot; are killed in Iraq or
&gt; Afghanistan?
&gt;
&gt; Are NSA technicians manning listening posts civilians? They wear no
&gt; uniforms nor carry weapons. I guess you've probably long ago written
&gt; them off your list of &quot;civilians&quot; in the war zones.
&gt;
&gt; It's harder and harder on both sides to determine &quot;civilians&quot;, yet the
&gt; news constantly harp about &quot;civilian casualties.&quot; That's the point
&gt; Dershowitz is making.
&gt;

No, Dershowitz was clearly applying his analysis to only one side.
Applying it to both sides was the point *I* was making, thank you very much.

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#19: Re: ADNIA

Posted on 2006-07-24 01:24:43 by James Schrumpf

Quiet, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt; -- I'm transmitting
rage.

&gt; James Schrumpf wrote:
&gt;&gt; Quiet, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt; -- I'm transmitting
&gt;&gt; rage.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; James Schrumpf wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Quiet, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt; -- I'm
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; transmitting rage.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; James Schrumpf wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Quiet, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt; -- I'm
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; transmitting rage.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; John Rogers wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22,0,76" target="_blank"> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22, 0,76</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 85 21 0. story
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; or
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I hadn't figured you as one of the people considering the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; denizens of the WTC to be little Eichmann's.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; How does one confabulate working in the offices of Sachs-Goldman
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; with storing Katyusha rockets in the house?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Or is it you figure the US to be just another terrorist group?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; No, I just figure that there is a continuum of civilianality and
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that some civilian deaths are more tragic than others.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; You and your elk are cute with that &quot;terrorist&quot; word. I suppose
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that we can simultaneously believe that civilianality is a nuanced
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; continuum, but terroristality is a clearly defined concept on
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; which to base your judgments of whether the civilianality
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; continuum ought to be applied.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Do you deny the obvious truth that a &quot;civilian&quot; who lets terrorists
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; hide rockets in his house is a less tragic loss than a 14-year old
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; in an pizza parlor?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I think the world is pretty comfortable with using the actual word
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;terrorist&quot; to mean those who actually plan or carry out the acts.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;Civilian&quot; is what's getting harder to define these days.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; The point is that you and Mr. Derhsowitz would have us believe that
&gt;&gt;&gt; the word &quot;Civilian&quot; is only getting harder to define on the
&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;terrorist&quot; side, and not on the &quot;good guy&quot; side.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Heh. Hardly.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; For example, how many cry and weep (except for their families, of
&gt;&gt; course) when the US &quot;civlian contractors&quot; are killed in Iraq or
&gt;&gt; Afghanistan?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Are NSA technicians manning listening posts civilians? They wear no
&gt;&gt; uniforms nor carry weapons. I guess you've probably long ago written
&gt;&gt; them off your list of &quot;civilians&quot; in the war zones.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; It's harder and harder on both sides to determine &quot;civilians&quot;, yet
&gt;&gt; the news constantly harp about &quot;civilian casualties.&quot; That's the
&gt;&gt; point Dershowitz is making.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; No, Dershowitz was clearly applying his analysis to only one side.
&gt; Applying it to both sides was the point *I* was making, thank you very
&gt; much.
&gt;

Well, duh. When you're fighting a war in a far distant country, there is
only one source of possible civilians -- unless you do count CIA, NSA,
etc. technicians as civilians.

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#20: Re: ADNIA

Posted on 2006-07-24 01:35:44 by Unclaimed Mysteries

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:

&gt;
&gt; Hugh

If there's one thing that Prof. D. and I would agree on, it's that you
are a bigot.

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#21: Re: ADNIA

Posted on 2006-07-24 02:14:55 by Unclaimed Mysteries

Charles Beauchamp wrote in part:
&gt; But liberals are
&gt; insane by definition.
&gt;
&gt;

I'm crushing you. I'm crushing your head. ($1)

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#22: Re: ADNIA

Posted on 2006-07-24 02:17:16 by rjones

James Schrumpf wrote:
&gt; Quiet, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt; -- I'm transmitting
&gt; rage.
&gt;
&gt;&gt; James Schrumpf wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; Quiet, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt; -- I'm transmitting
&gt;&gt;&gt; rage.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; James Schrumpf wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Quiet, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt; -- I'm
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; transmitting rage.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; James Schrumpf wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Quiet, &quot;Randolph M. Jones&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rjones&#64;soartech.com" target="_blank">rjones&#64;soartech.com</a>&gt; -- I'm
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; transmitting rage.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; John Rogers wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22,0,76" target="_blank"> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dershowitz22jul22, 0,76</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 85 21 0. story
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; or
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/f9zfs</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I hadn't figured you as one of the people considering the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; denizens of the WTC to be little Eichmann's.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; How does one confabulate working in the offices of Sachs-Goldman
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; with storing Katyusha rockets in the house?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Or is it you figure the US to be just another terrorist group?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; No, I just figure that there is a continuum of civilianality and
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that some civilian deaths are more tragic than others.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; You and your elk are cute with that &quot;terrorist&quot; word. I suppose
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that we can simultaneously believe that civilianality is a nuanced
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; continuum, but terroristality is a clearly defined concept on
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; which to base your judgments of whether the civilianality
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; continuum ought to be applied.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Do you deny the obvious truth that a &quot;civilian&quot; who lets terrorists
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; hide rockets in his house is a less tragic loss than a 14-year old
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; in an pizza parlor?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I think the world is pretty comfortable with using the actual word
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;terrorist&quot; to mean those who actually plan or carry out the acts.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;Civilian&quot; is what's getting harder to define these days.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The point is that you and Mr. Derhsowitz would have us believe that
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the word &quot;Civilian&quot; is only getting harder to define on the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;terrorist&quot; side, and not on the &quot;good guy&quot; side.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Heh. Hardly.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; For example, how many cry and weep (except for their families, of
&gt;&gt;&gt; course) when the US &quot;civlian contractors&quot; are killed in Iraq or
&gt;&gt;&gt; Afghanistan?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Are NSA technicians manning listening posts civilians? They wear no
&gt;&gt;&gt; uniforms nor carry weapons. I guess you've probably long ago written
&gt;&gt;&gt; them off your list of &quot;civilians&quot; in the war zones.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; It's harder and harder on both sides to determine &quot;civilians&quot;, yet
&gt;&gt;&gt; the news constantly harp about &quot;civilian casualties.&quot; That's the
&gt;&gt;&gt; point Dershowitz is making.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; No, Dershowitz was clearly applying his analysis to only one side.
&gt;&gt; Applying it to both sides was the point *I* was making, thank you very
&gt;&gt; much.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Well, duh. When you're fighting a war in a far distant country, there is
&gt; only one source of possible civilians -- unless you do count CIA, NSA,
&gt; etc. technicians as civilians.
&gt;

9/11 changed everything.

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