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#1: Van Basten - A Class Apart

Posted on 2006-07-23 00:42:01 by Benny

Van Basten hasn't played professionally in 13 years, he's now greying
and 42. He came on in the 71st minute of Bergkamp's testimonial and in
the 75th provided this games and one of the summers absolute highlights.
From an angle no too dissimilar to the one from which he scored the
greatest goal of all time against the USSR in 1988 he tried to pull down
a deep left wing cross with his right foot but miss controlled and the
ball popped up off his shin and spun in the air, he flicked it back over
the head of a defender (Steve Bold), adjusted his body and with his left
foot hammered a volley towards the bottom left corner which Manninger
saved at the second attempt. Unadulterated brilliance.

I still haven't seen a player of his ability since he retired and
I don't think I ever will. Those of you who have never seen him at his
peak can't even begin to imagine just how great he was.

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#2: Re: Van Basten - A Class Apart

Posted on 2006-07-23 02:28:35 by doctor

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:oirRUtAFrqwEFws4&#64;soccer-europe.com" target="_blank">oirRUtAFrqwEFws4&#64;soccer-europe.com</a>&gt;,
Benny &lt;<a href="mailto:Benny&#64;soccer-europe.com" target="_blank">Benny&#64;soccer-europe.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;Van Basten hasn't played professionally in 13 years, he's now greying
&gt;and 42. He came on in the 71st minute of Bergkamp's testimonial and in
&gt;the 75th provided this games and one of the summers absolute highlights.
&gt;From an angle no too dissimilar to the one from which he scored the
&gt;greatest goal of all time against the USSR in 1988 he tried to pull down
&gt;a deep left wing cross with his right foot but miss controlled and the
&gt;ball popped up off his shin and spun in the air, he flicked it back over
&gt;the head of a defender (Steve Bold), adjusted his body and with his left
&gt;foot hammered a volley towards the bottom left corner which Manninger
&gt;saved at the second attempt. Unadulterated brilliance.
&gt;
&gt;I still haven't seen a player of his ability since he retired and
&gt;I don't think I ever will. Those of you who have never seen him at his
&gt;peak can't even begin to imagine just how great he was.
&gt;
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Benny who else turned up for Ajax in the debut of Arsenal's new stadium?
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#3: Re: Van Basten - A Class Apart

Posted on 2006-07-23 03:31:14 by Diabolik

&quot;Benny&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Benny&#64;soccer-europe.com" target="_blank">Benny&#64;soccer-europe.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Van Basten hasn't played professionally in 13 years, he's now greying
&gt; and 42. He came on in the 71st minute of Bergkamp's testimonial and in
&gt; the 75th provided this games and one of the summers absolute highlights.
&gt; From an angle no too dissimilar to the one from which he scored the
&gt; greatest goal of all time against the USSR in 1988 he tried to pull down
&gt; a deep left wing cross with his right foot but miss controlled and the
&gt; ball popped up off his shin and spun in the air, he flicked it back over
&gt; the head of a defender (Steve Bold), adjusted his body and with his left
&gt; foot hammered a volley towards the bottom left corner which Manninger
&gt; saved at the second attempt. Unadulterated brilliance.
&gt;
&gt; I still haven't seen a player of his ability since he retired and
&gt; I don't think I ever will. Those of you who have never seen him at his
&gt; peak can't even begin to imagine just how great he was.

Van Basten was great, but Maradona and Platini were even better.

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#4: Re: Van Basten - A Class Apart

Posted on 2006-07-23 12:38:53 by Martin Jansen

Diabolik wrote:
&gt; &quot;Benny&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Benny&#64;soccer-europe.com" target="_blank">Benny&#64;soccer-europe.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:oirRUtAFrqwEFws4&#64;soccer-europe.com..." target="_blank">oirRUtAFrqwEFws4&#64;soccer-europe.com...</a>
&gt; &gt; Van Basten hasn't played professionally in 13 years, he's now greying
&gt; &gt; and 42. He came on in the 71st minute of Bergkamp's testimonial and in
&gt; &gt; the 75th provided this games and one of the summers absolute highlights.
&gt; &gt; From an angle no too dissimilar to the one from which he scored the
&gt; &gt; greatest goal of all time against the USSR in 1988 he tried to pull down
&gt; &gt; a deep left wing cross with his right foot but miss controlled and the
&gt; &gt; ball popped up off his shin and spun in the air, he flicked it back over
&gt; &gt; the head of a defender (Steve Bold), adjusted his body and with his left
&gt; &gt; foot hammered a volley towards the bottom left corner which Manninger
&gt; &gt; saved at the second attempt. Unadulterated brilliance.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I still haven't seen a player of his ability since he retired and
&gt; &gt; I don't think I ever will. Those of you who have never seen him at his
&gt; &gt; peak can't even begin to imagine just how great he was.
&gt;
&gt; Van Basten was great, but Maradona and Platini were even better.

Strange..
Am I the only one who thinks that you can't compare midfielders with
attachers ?

Also...van Basten showed only 75% of his abilities due to a nasty
injury. We've only seen a full fit van Basten before his move to Milan.
He already had problems with his ankle while playing in the dutch
league....can you imagine what he could have should us..?

Martin

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#5: Re: Van Basten - A Class Apart

Posted on 2006-07-23 12:58:58 by ruud

On 23 Jul 2006 03:38:53 -0700, &quot;Martin Jansen&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gijszepa&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">gijszepa&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;Diabolik wrote:
&gt;&gt; Van Basten was great, but Maradona and Platini were even better.
&gt;
&gt;Strange..
&gt;Am I the only one who thinks that you can't compare midfielders with
&gt;attachers ?
&gt;
&gt;Also...van Basten showed only 75% of his abilities due to a nasty
&gt;injury. We've only seen a full fit van Basten before his move to Milan.
&gt;He already had problems with his ankle while playing in the dutch
&gt;league....can you imagine what he could have should us..?

could have should have would have

imho he showed enough anyway

but you can't make excuses for someone because they were in the wrong
team, injured, etc. either they did show it or they didn't.

I worked with a guy who was the greatest schoolboy rugby play anyone
in Australia has ever seen. He did his knee when he was 19 before the
days of knee reconstructions etc. If you did your knee that was the
end of your career. Lots of promise but nobody's ever heard of him. 40
years later he's sitting behind a desk and he can hardly walk, and
still nobody's ever heard of him.

How many great baseball pitchers did their elbow before Tommy John was
even born and were never heard of again? There's a lot of
luck/resiliance etc involved. We just don't know how good van Basten
could have been. But he showed enough anyway. He's one of the greats.

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#6: Re: Van Basten - A Class Apart

Posted on 2006-07-23 18:00:15 by Robert Moir

Benny wrote:
&gt; Van Basten hasn't played professionally in 13 years, he's now greying
&gt; and 42. He came on in the 71st minute of Bergkamp's testimonial and in
&gt; the 75th provided this games and one of the summers absolute
&gt; highlights. From an angle no too dissimilar to the one from which he
&gt; scored the greatest goal of all time against the USSR in 1988 he
&gt; tried to pull down a deep left wing cross with his right foot but
&gt; miss controlled and the ball popped up off his shin and spun in the
&gt; air, he flicked it back over the head of a defender (Steve Bold),
&gt; adjusted his body and with his left foot hammered a volley towards
&gt; the bottom left corner which Manninger saved at the second attempt.
&gt; Unadulterated brilliance.
&gt;
&gt; I still haven't seen a player of his ability since he retired and
&gt; I don't think I ever will. Those of you who have never seen him at
&gt; his peak can't even begin to imagine just how great he was.

I've never cheered an opposition substitution before but I think I damn
near lost my voice when they announced that Ajax Legends were bring on him
and Johan Cruyff. Just magical. And good of Davids to turn out at a
testimonial for an Arsenal player, too, I might add.

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#7: Re: Van Basten - A Class Apart

Posted on 2006-07-23 18:01:54 by Robert Moir

Robert Moir wrote:

&gt; I've never cheered an opposition substitution before but I think I
&gt; damn near lost my voice when they announced that Ajax Legends were
&gt; bring on him and Johan Cruyff. Just magical. And good of Davids to
&gt; turn out at a testimonial for an Arsenal player, too, I might add.

Doh. I should have mentioned Van Der Sar, too. Kudos to both players, and
their managers too for allowing them to play.

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#8: Re: Van Basten - A Class Apart

Posted on 2006-07-23 21:53:21 by doctor

In article &lt;S3Nwg.14340$u%<a href="mailto:3.7619&#64;newsfe1-gui.ntli.net" target="_blank">3.7619&#64;newsfe1-gui.ntli.net</a>&gt;,
Robert Moir &lt;robspamtrap+<a href="mailto:usenet&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">usenet&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;Robert Moir wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; I've never cheered an opposition substitution before but I think I
&gt;&gt; damn near lost my voice when they announced that Ajax Legends were
&gt;&gt; bring on him and Johan Cruyff. Just magical. And good of Davids to
&gt;&gt; turn out at a testimonial for an Arsenal player, too, I might add.
&gt;
&gt;Doh. I should have mentioned Van Der Sar, too. Kudos to both players, and
&gt;their managers too for allowing them to play.
&gt;
&gt;

No problems there. I really wsh the Arsenal
faithful would not label Davids a Tottenham dog.
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#9: Re: Van Basten - A Class Apart

Posted on 2006-07-23 22:25:50 by Lucky Devin

Robert Moir wrote:
&gt; Benny wrote:
&gt; &gt; Van Basten hasn't played professionally in 13 years, he's now greying
&gt; &gt; and 42. He came on in the 71st minute of Bergkamp's testimonial and in
&gt; &gt; the 75th provided this games and one of the summers absolute
&gt; &gt; highlights. From an angle no too dissimilar to the one from which he
&gt; &gt; scored the greatest goal of all time against the USSR in 1988 he
&gt; &gt; tried to pull down a deep left wing cross with his right foot but
&gt; &gt; miss controlled and the ball popped up off his shin and spun in the
&gt; &gt; air, he flicked it back over the head of a defender (Steve Bold),
&gt; &gt; adjusted his body and with his left foot hammered a volley towards
&gt; &gt; the bottom left corner which Manninger saved at the second attempt.
&gt; &gt; Unadulterated brilliance.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I still haven't seen a player of his ability since he retired and
&gt; &gt; I don't think I ever will. Those of you who have never seen him at
&gt; &gt; his peak can't even begin to imagine just how great he was.
&gt;
&gt; I've never cheered an opposition substitution before but I think I damn
&gt; near lost my voice when they announced that Ajax Legends were bring on him
&gt; and Johan Cruyff. Just magical. And good of Davids to turn out at a
&gt; testimonial for an Arsenal player, too, I might add.

Agreed. I hardly think that anyone will look back on Edgar Davids when
he stops playing and view him as a Spurs player. A shame the fans
couldn't see it that way.

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#10: Re: Van Basten - A Class Apart

Posted on 2006-07-23 22:28:18 by HanslH

Only sad we dutch need hordes of extraterrestially good soccer player
to just win one lousy european championship and two wm second places.
Our would be great historical result (ec88) was equalled after 4 years
by a bunch of danes grabbed from the beach.
It sucks to be dutch.

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:42:01 GMT, Benny &lt;<a href="mailto:Benny&#64;soccer-europe.com" target="_blank">Benny&#64;soccer-europe.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;Van Basten hasn't played professionally in 13 years, he's now greying
&gt;and 42. He came on in the 71st minute of Bergkamp's testimonial and in
&gt;the 75th provided this games and one of the summers absolute highlights.
&gt;From an angle no too dissimilar to the one from which he scored the
&gt;greatest goal of all time against the USSR in 1988 he tried to pull down
&gt;a deep left wing cross with his right foot but miss controlled and the
&gt;ball popped up off his shin and spun in the air, he flicked it back over
&gt;the head of a defender (Steve Bold), adjusted his body and with his left
&gt;foot hammered a volley towards the bottom left corner which Manninger
&gt;saved at the second attempt. Unadulterated brilliance.
&gt;
&gt;I still haven't seen a player of his ability since he retired and
&gt;I don't think I ever will. Those of you who have never seen him at his
&gt;peak can't even begin to imagine just how great he was.
&gt;
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#11: Re: Van Basten - A Class Apart

Posted on 2006-07-23 23:47:27 by Robert Moir

Lucky Devin wrote:

&gt; Agreed. I hardly think that anyone will look back on Edgar Davids when
&gt; he stops playing and view him as a Spurs player. A shame the fans
&gt; couldn't see it that way.

I know I didn't boo him. To be honest, I think most of the boos were
almost &quot;pantomine&quot; stuff. Still, better that it wasn't there at all. And
with his not reading the script and running through on goal like that, he
lived up to the panto bad-guy billing. I think the Ajax goalie that saved
Dennis' shot was actually trying to move out of the way!

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#12: Re: Van Basten - A Class Apart

Posted on 2006-07-24 01:54:36 by Michael Flynn

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:28:35 +0000 (UTC), <a href="mailto:doctor&#64;doctor.nl2k.ab.ca" target="_blank">doctor&#64;doctor.nl2k.ab.ca</a> (The
Doctor) wrote:

&gt;
&gt;Benny who else turned up for Ajax in the debut of Arsenal's new stadium?

Not Benny, but I thought I'd answers anyway :-)

First-half Ajax: Maarten Stekelenburg, Zdenek Grygera, John Heitinga,
Jaap Stam, Thomas Vermaelen, Hedwiges Maduro, Kenneth Perez, Wesley
Sneijder, Jan Vertonghen, Tom de Mul, Klaas Jan Huntelaar
Subs: Olaf Lindenbergh, Urby Emanuelson, George Ogararu, Ryan Babel,
Edgar Manucharyan, Robbert Schilder, Markus Rosenberg.

Second-half Ajax squad: Edwin Van der Sar, Stanley Menzo, Danny Blind,
Wim Jonk, Frank de Boer, Marciano Vink, Aron Winter, Ronald de Boer,
Edgar Davids, Jan Wouters, Stefan Pettersson, Bryan Roy, Johan Cruyff,
Frank Rijkaard, Marco Van Basten.


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#13: Re: Van Basten - A Class Apart

Posted on 2006-07-24 02:05:56 by doctor

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:qv28c2tvfmo3sqvo0fjfsddbf7pqnnsjg7&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">qv28c2tvfmo3sqvo0fjfsddbf7pqnnsjg7&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;,
Michael Flynn &lt;<a href="mailto:not&#64;real.address" target="_blank">not&#64;real.address</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:28:35 +0000 (UTC), <a href="mailto:doctor&#64;doctor.nl2k.ab.ca" target="_blank">doctor&#64;doctor.nl2k.ab.ca</a> (The
&gt;Doctor) wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Benny who else turned up for Ajax in the debut of Arsenal's new stadium?
&gt;
&gt;Not Benny, but I thought I'd answers anyway :-)
&gt;
&gt;First-half Ajax: Maarten Stekelenburg, Zdenek Grygera, John Heitinga,
&gt;Jaap Stam, Thomas Vermaelen, Hedwiges Maduro, Kenneth Perez, Wesley
&gt;Sneijder, Jan Vertonghen, Tom de Mul, Klaas Jan Huntelaar
&gt;Subs: Olaf Lindenbergh, Urby Emanuelson, George Ogararu, Ryan Babel,
&gt;Edgar Manucharyan, Robbert Schilder, Markus Rosenberg.
&gt;
&gt;Second-half Ajax squad: Edwin Van der Sar, Stanley Menzo, Danny Blind,
&gt;Wim Jonk, Frank de Boer, Marciano Vink, Aron Winter, Ronald de Boer,
&gt;Edgar Davids, Jan Wouters, Stefan Pettersson, Bryan Roy, Johan Cruyff,
&gt;Frank Rijkaard, Marco Van Basten.
&gt;

It did turn up on arsenal's Web Site after wards.

Look out for Huntelaar all right!!

to see de Boer, Cruyff and van Basten was grand indeed!
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#14: Re: Van Basten - A Class Apart

Posted on 2006-07-24 02:32:23 by Diabolik

&quot;Martin Jansen&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gijszepa&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">gijszepa&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Diabolik wrote:
&gt; &gt; &quot;Benny&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Benny&#64;soccer-europe.com" target="_blank">Benny&#64;soccer-europe.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; &gt; news:<a href="mailto:oirRUtAFrqwEFws4&#64;soccer-europe.com..." target="_blank">oirRUtAFrqwEFws4&#64;soccer-europe.com...</a>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Van Basten hasn't played professionally in 13 years, he's now greying
&gt; &gt; &gt; and 42. He came on in the 71st minute of Bergkamp's testimonial and in
&gt; &gt; &gt; the 75th provided this games and one of the summers absolute
highlights.
&gt; &gt; &gt; From an angle no too dissimilar to the one from which he scored the
&gt; &gt; &gt; greatest goal of all time against the USSR in 1988 he tried to pull
down
&gt; &gt; &gt; a deep left wing cross with his right foot but miss controlled and the
&gt; &gt; &gt; ball popped up off his shin and spun in the air, he flicked it back
over
&gt; &gt; &gt; the head of a defender (Steve Bold), adjusted his body and with his
left
&gt; &gt; &gt; foot hammered a volley towards the bottom left corner which Manninger
&gt; &gt; &gt; saved at the second attempt. Unadulterated brilliance.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; I still haven't seen a player of his ability since he retired and
&gt; &gt; &gt; I don't think I ever will. Those of you who have never seen him at
his
&gt; &gt; &gt; peak can't even begin to imagine just how great he was.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Van Basten was great, but Maradona and Platini were even better.
&gt;
&gt; Strange..
&gt; Am I the only one who thinks that you can't compare midfielders with
&gt; attachers ?

No, me too.
It's a comparison for the sake of it...

I didn't say VB wasn't a great player, he was superb.
I just said Maradona and Platini were even better, they were out of this
world.


&gt; Also...van Basten showed only 75% of his abilities due to a nasty
&gt; injury.

From what I saw, I think he showed his full potential.
What else could he have done, apart from take on players with ease, score
great gols, etc.?


&gt; We've only seen a full fit van Basten before his move to Milan.
&gt; He already had problems with his ankle while playing in the dutch
&gt; league....can you imagine what he could have should us..?
&gt;
&gt; Martin
&gt;

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