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#1: OT - [R] Tour de France

Posted on 2006-07-21 05:30:24 by Grant Flowers

America.... FUCK YEAH!!!!

Astounding performance by Landis today. What a joy to witness an athlete
responding to adversity not with excuses, but with pissed off resolve.
Still might not win it, but his courage and determination is beyond
question, unlike, say, about half of the English WC squad and Landon
Donovan.

Link to an article from Sports Illustrated, along with an excerpt I
particularly liked:

<a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/austin_murphy/07/20/murphy.landis/index.html" target="_blank"> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/austin_murphy/ 07/20/murphy.landis/index.html</a>

&quot;Somehow, word got out in the peloton that the Phonaks were going to try
something preposterous. By doing so, they would be inflicting suffering on
the rest of a Tour-weary bunch. Which explains why a number of riders
coasted up to Landis before the first mountain, imploring him not to attempt
something so foolhardy. As Landis would later recall, &quot;I just told 'em, Go
drink some Coke, 'cause we're leaving on the first climb if you want to come
along.'&quot;


Grant

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#2: Re: OT - [R] Tour de France

Posted on 2006-07-21 05:38:58 by Victoria Barrett

The Tour president said this was one of the most magnificent
performances in a modern Tour de France, ever.

Do you know how painful it must be to ride around with a hip with
necrotic bone, which will have to be replaced in a month's time?

I cannot even imagine this.

Floyd did the unthinkable today -- he outdid Lance.

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#3: Re: OT - [R] Tour de France

Posted on 2006-07-21 06:05:00 by Irish Rover

&quot;Grant Flowers&quot; wrote

&gt; America.... FUCK YEAH!!!!
&gt;
&gt; Astounding performance by Landis today. What a joy to witness an athlete
&gt; responding to adversity not with excuses, but with pissed off resolve.
&gt; Still might not win it, but his courage and determination is beyond
&gt; question, unlike, say, about half of the English WC squad and Landon
&gt; Donovan.
&gt;
&gt; Link to an article from Sports Illustrated, along with an excerpt I
&gt; particularly liked:
&gt;
&gt;
<a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/austin_murphy/07/20/murphy.landis/index.html" target="_blank"> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/austin_murphy/ 07/20/murphy.landis/index.html</a>
&gt;
&gt; &quot;Somehow, word got out in the peloton that the Phonaks were going to try
&gt; something preposterous. By doing so, they would be inflicting suffering on
&gt; the rest of a Tour-weary bunch. Which explains why a number of riders
&gt; coasted up to Landis before the first mountain, imploring him not to
attempt
&gt; something so foolhardy. As Landis would later recall, &quot;I just told 'em, Go
&gt; drink some Coke, 'cause we're leaving on the first climb if you want to
come
&gt; along.'&quot;

Did you see that punch through the air as he crossed the line? I think we
may not have seen the last of him ..

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#4: Re: OT - [R] Tour de France

Posted on 2006-07-21 06:28:11 by markvanderv1

Grant Flowers wrote:
&gt; America.... FUCK YEAH!!!!
&gt;
&gt; Astounding performance by Landis today. What a joy to witness an athlete
&gt; responding to adversity not with excuses, but with pissed off resolve.
&gt; Still might not win it, but his courage and determination is beyond
&gt; question, unlike, say, about half of the English WC squad and Landon
&gt; Donovan.
&gt;

Landis. Say it fast enough when you're drunk and it sounds like
&quot;Lance.&quot; What a stunning turnaround! It seemed so-o-o-o over a scant
18 hours ago. Who couldn't feel his pain Wednesday as lighter-legged
riders sprinted past him while he seemed to be spinning? Who couldn't
feel exultant when it was apparent that he wasn't going to fade today.

Landis has his own interesting life story to tell. He comes from a
strict Mennonite family in southeastern Pennsylvania, grew up without a
TV or radio, and didn't even own a bike 'til he was a teenager. Hardly
the spoilt bratty suburban American coach's son was he. He raced
against his parents' wishes, and only recently they've come around to
supporting him. I never much cared for Armstrong's personality, but
this is an American I can get behind. A very humble guy.

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#5: Re: OT - [R] Tour de France

Posted on 2006-07-21 07:16:26 by Jason Maxwell

&quot;Grant Flowers&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:darthvader&#64;SPAMworldnet.att.net" target="_blank">darthvader&#64;SPAMworldnet.att.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; America.... FUCK YEAH!!!!
&gt;
&gt; Astounding performance by Landis today. What a joy to witness an athlete
&gt; responding to adversity not with excuses, but with pissed off resolve.
&gt; Still might not win it, but his courage and determination is beyond
&gt; question, unlike, say, about half of the English WC squad and Landon
&gt; Donovan.
&gt;
Ouch, but funny!

Looking at the first time-trial's results, you have to figure Landis is now
the favorite to win, but in this Tour things seem to change every day.

Jason

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#6: Re: OT - [R] Tour de France

Posted on 2006-07-21 15:13:51 by schellenberg

FANTASTICO
it seemed Fausto Coppi incredibile, grazie Landis

Grant Flowers ha scritto:

&gt; America.... FUCK YEAH!!!!
&gt;
&gt; Astounding performance by Landis today. What a joy to witness an athlete
&gt; responding to adversity not with excuses, but with pissed off resolve.
&gt; Still might not win it, but his courage and determination is beyond
&gt; question, unlike, say, about half of the English WC squad and Landon
&gt; Donovan.
&gt;
&gt; Link to an article from Sports Illustrated, along with an excerpt I
&gt; particularly liked:
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/austin_murphy/07/20/murphy.landis/index.html" target="_blank"> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/austin_murphy/ 07/20/murphy.landis/index.html</a>
&gt;
&gt; &quot;Somehow, word got out in the peloton that the Phonaks were going to try
&gt; something preposterous. By doing so, they would be inflicting suffering on
&gt; the rest of a Tour-weary bunch. Which explains why a number of riders
&gt; coasted up to Landis before the first mountain, imploring him not to attempt
&gt; something so foolhardy. As Landis would later recall, &quot;I just told 'em, Go
&gt; drink some Coke, 'cause we're leaving on the first climb if you want to come
&gt; along.'&quot;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Grant

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#7: Re: OT - [R] Tour de France

Posted on 2006-07-21 15:14:01 by schellenberg

FANTASTICO
it seemed Fausto Coppi incredibile, grazie Landis

Grant Flowers ha scritto:

&gt; America.... FUCK YEAH!!!!
&gt;
&gt; Astounding performance by Landis today. What a joy to witness an athlete
&gt; responding to adversity not with excuses, but with pissed off resolve.
&gt; Still might not win it, but his courage and determination is beyond
&gt; question, unlike, say, about half of the English WC squad and Landon
&gt; Donovan.
&gt;
&gt; Link to an article from Sports Illustrated, along with an excerpt I
&gt; particularly liked:
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/austin_murphy/07/20/murphy.landis/index.html" target="_blank"> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/austin_murphy/ 07/20/murphy.landis/index.html</a>
&gt;
&gt; &quot;Somehow, word got out in the peloton that the Phonaks were going to try
&gt; something preposterous. By doing so, they would be inflicting suffering on
&gt; the rest of a Tour-weary bunch. Which explains why a number of riders
&gt; coasted up to Landis before the first mountain, imploring him not to attempt
&gt; something so foolhardy. As Landis would later recall, &quot;I just told 'em, Go
&gt; drink some Coke, 'cause we're leaving on the first climb if you want to come
&gt; along.'&quot;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Grant

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#8: Re: OT - [R] Tour de France

Posted on 2006-07-21 15:25:14 by shussbar

Mark V. wrote:
&gt; Grant Flowers wrote:
&gt; &gt; America.... FUCK YEAH!!!!
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Astounding performance by Landis today. What a joy to witness an athlete
&gt; &gt; responding to adversity not with excuses, but with pissed off resolve.
&gt; &gt; Still might not win it, but his courage and determination is beyond
&gt; &gt; question, unlike, say, about half of the English WC squad and Landon
&gt; &gt; Donovan.
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; Landis. Say it fast enough when you're drunk and it sounds like
&gt; &quot;Lance.&quot; What a stunning turnaround! It seemed so-o-o-o over a scant
&gt; 18 hours ago. Who couldn't feel his pain Wednesday as lighter-legged
&gt; riders sprinted past him while he seemed to be spinning? Who couldn't
&gt; feel exultant when it was apparent that he wasn't going to fade today.
&gt;
&gt; Landis has his own interesting life story to tell. He comes from a
&gt; strict Mennonite family in southeastern Pennsylvania, grew up without a
&gt; TV or radio, and didn't even own a bike 'til he was a teenager. Hardly
&gt; the spoilt bratty suburban American coach's son was he. He raced
&gt; against his parents' wishes, and only recently they've come around to
&gt; supporting him. I never much cared for Armstrong's personality, but
&gt; this is an American I can get behind. A very humble guy.

I like him too. he is the anti-Lance. Humble, no arrogance.

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#9: Re: OT - [R] Tour de France

Posted on 2006-07-21 17:22:38 by MH

Jason Maxwell wrote:
&gt; &quot;Grant Flowers&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:darthvader&#64;SPAMworldnet.att.net" target="_blank">darthvader&#64;SPAMworldnet.att.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt;&gt;America.... FUCK YEAH!!!!
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Astounding performance by Landis today. What a joy to witness an athlete
&gt;&gt;responding to adversity not with excuses, but with pissed off resolve.
&gt;&gt;Still might not win it, but his courage and determination is beyond
&gt;&gt;question, unlike, say, about half of the English WC squad and Landon
&gt;&gt;Donovan.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Ouch, but funny!
&gt;
&gt; Looking at the first time-trial's results, you have to figure Landis is now
&gt; the favorite to win, but in this Tour things seem to change every day.

And that is such a pleasant change for the Tour.

&gt;
&gt; Jason
&gt;
&gt;

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#10: Re: OT - [R] Tour de France

Posted on 2006-07-22 03:50:30 by Jack Hollis

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:38:58 -0400, Victoria Barrett
&lt;<a href="mailto:vbarrett&#64;the-beach.net" target="_blank">vbarrett&#64;the-beach.net</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;The Tour president said this was one of the most magnificent
&gt;performances in a modern Tour de France, ever.

You really have to go back to 1958 to beat what Landis did yesterday.
During an early stage, NL/LUX rider Charlie Gaul lost 15 minutes due
to a flat tire. Then, on a multi-climb stage, Gaul attacked on the
first climb and took back 14 min and 45 seconds. Like Landis, this
did not put him in yellow, but he did win the GC by the end of the
race by winning an ITT on the next to last day. Will history repeat
itself?

Of course, Eddy Merckx was famous for his attacks, but he was usually
already in yellow. Nevertheless, they are calling what Landis did
yesterday as Merckxian.

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#11: Re: OT - [R] Tour de France

Posted on 2006-07-22 13:39:41 by FirstName

Grant Flowers &lt;<a href="mailto:darthvader&#64;SPAMworldnet.att.net" target="_blank">darthvader&#64;SPAMworldnet.att.net</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; America.... FUCK YEAH!!!!
&gt;
&gt; Astounding performance by Landis today. What a joy to witness an athlete
&gt; responding to adversity not with excuses, but with pissed off resolve.


No doubt, Armstrong can only dream of the class displayed by Landis
these last days.

--
Florian

&quot;Tout est au mieux dans le meilleure des mondes possible&quot;
Voltaire vs Leibniz

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#12: Re: OT - [R] Tour de France

Posted on 2006-07-22 18:05:31 by Jack Hollis

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:39:41 +0200, <a href="mailto:firstname&#64;lastname.net" target="_blank">firstname&#64;lastname.net</a> (Florian)
wrote:

&gt;&gt; America.... FUCK YEAH!!!!
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Astounding performance by Landis today. What a joy to witness an athlete
&gt;&gt; responding to adversity not with excuses, but with pissed off resolve.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;No doubt, Armstrong can only dream of the class displayed by Landis
&gt;these last days.
&gt;
&gt;--
&gt;Florian


And Landis can only dream of being the bike rider that Armstrong was.

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#13: Re: OT - [R] Tour de France

Posted on 2006-07-22 23:38:12 by FirstName

Jack Hollis &lt;<a href="mailto:xsleeper&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">xsleeper&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; And Landis can only dream of being the bike rider that Armstrong was.

Bof. A one-race biker. Not very impressive. Merckx use to win EVERY
races. Landis is closer to Merckx like displayed in his victory at
Morzine.

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&quot;Tout est au mieux dans le meilleure des mondes possible&quot;
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#14: Re: OT - [R] Tour de France

Posted on 2006-07-23 04:38:58 by Jason Maxwell

&quot;Florian&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:firstname&#64;lastname.net" target="_blank">firstname&#64;lastname.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:1hiw9z5.vnrs5y6jbvdvN%<a href="mailto:firstname&#64;lastname.net..." target="_blank">firstname&#64;lastname.net...</a>
&gt; Jack Hollis &lt;<a href="mailto:xsleeper&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">xsleeper&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; And Landis can only dream of being the bike rider that Armstrong was.
&gt;
&gt; Bof. A one-race biker. Not very impressive. Merckx use to win EVERY
&gt; races. Landis is closer to Merckx like displayed in his victory at
&gt; Morzine.
&gt;
Merckx also raced in a era where there was more of a preset control in the
peleton. Not to dismiss what Eddie did, he's still the best rider of all
time, and the best Tour de France rider of all time, but Lance is obviously
the second best Tour rider of all time. I would have liked to see Lance at
least race the Vuelta or Giro to see how he matched up in those tours. I
have no doubt he could have won them (Not all in the same year mind you) and
proven himself as the second best Grand Tour rider of all time, but he's
always going to have that &quot;one-race&quot; knock against him now. Pretty small
knock though. ;)

Jason

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#15: Re: OT - [R] Tour de France

Posted on 2006-07-23 08:37:14 by Irish Rover

&quot;Jason Maxwell&quot; wrote

&gt; &quot;Florian&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:firstname&#64;lastname.net" target="_blank">firstname&#64;lastname.net</a>&gt; wrote
&gt; &gt; Jack Hollis &lt;<a href="mailto:xsleeper&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">xsleeper&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; And Landis can only dream of being the bike rider that Armstrong was.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Bof. A one-race biker. Not very impressive. Merckx use to win EVERY
&gt; &gt; races. Landis is closer to Merckx like displayed in his victory at
&gt; &gt; Morzine.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; Merckx also raced in a era where there was more of a preset control in the
&gt; peleton. Not to dismiss what Eddie did, he's still the best rider of all
&gt; time, and the best Tour de France rider of all time, but Lance is
obviously
&gt; the second best Tour rider of all time. I would have liked to see Lance
at
&gt; least race the Vuelta or Giro to see how he matched up in those tours. I
&gt; have no doubt he could have won them (Not all in the same year mind you)
and
&gt; proven himself as the second best Grand Tour rider of all time, but he's
&gt; always going to have that &quot;one-race&quot; knock against him now. Pretty small
&gt; knock though. ;)

Although Lance's decision to focus on one race will remain controversial, it
is unlikely that today's more competitive field will allow modern riders to
match the longevity and intensity of past records. Lance could have won
multiple tours in one year but he wouldn't have won nearly as many TdF. This
makes his record difficult to compare with that of other greats. Similar
problems exist in most sports when comparing across era's, especially if it
is the last ~35 years.

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#16: Re: OT - [R] Tour de France

Posted on 2006-07-23 18:00:09 by Victoria Barrett

(SPOILER ALERT)

Yay, Landis!! Nothing like the Star-Spangled Banner on the last day of
the Tour. ;)

Also, first time, apparently, that a man has won the first prologue,
and then on the last day (congrats Thor!). McEwen made his move too
early.

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#17: Re: OT - [R] Tour de France

Posted on 2006-07-23 18:21:23 by schellenberg

Jason Maxwell ha scritto:

&gt; &quot;Florian&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:firstname&#64;lastname.net" target="_blank">firstname&#64;lastname.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:1hiw9z5.vnrs5y6jbvdvN%<a href="mailto:firstname&#64;lastname.net..." target="_blank">firstname&#64;lastname.net...</a>
&gt; &gt; Jack Hollis &lt;<a href="mailto:xsleeper&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">xsleeper&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; And Landis can only dream of being the bike rider that Armstrong was.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Bof. A one-race biker. Not very impressive. Merckx use to win EVERY
&gt; &gt; races. Landis is closer to Merckx like displayed in his victory at
&gt; &gt; Morzine.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; Merckx also raced in a era where there was more of a preset control in the
&gt; peleton. Not to dismiss what Eddie did, he's still the best rider of all
&gt; time, and the best Tour de France rider of all time, but Lance is obviously
&gt; the second best Tour rider of all time. I would have liked to see Lance at
&gt; least race the Vuelta or Giro to see how he matched up in those tours. I
&gt; have no doubt he could have won them (Not all in the same year mind you) and
&gt; proven himself as the second best Grand Tour rider of all time, but he's

What the hell is a grand tour rider, please Armstrong is not in the top
ten of All time riders,
to great the advanteg to run one single race per year.

&gt; Jason

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#18: Re: OT - [R] Tour de France

Posted on 2006-07-23 20:11:36 by Jason Maxwell

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&gt;
&gt; Jason Maxwell ha scritto:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &quot;Florian&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:firstname&#64;lastname.net" target="_blank">firstname&#64;lastname.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; &gt; news:1hiw9z5.vnrs5y6jbvdvN%<a href="mailto:firstname&#64;lastname.net..." target="_blank">firstname&#64;lastname.net...</a>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Jack Hollis &lt;<a href="mailto:xsleeper&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">xsleeper&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And Landis can only dream of being the bike rider that Armstrong
was.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Bof. A one-race biker. Not very impressive. Merckx use to win EVERY
&gt; &gt; &gt; races. Landis is closer to Merckx like displayed in his victory at
&gt; &gt; &gt; Morzine.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Merckx also raced in a era where there was more of a preset control in
the
&gt; &gt; peleton. Not to dismiss what Eddie did, he's still the best rider of
all
&gt; &gt; time, and the best Tour de France rider of all time, but Lance is
obviously
&gt; &gt; the second best Tour rider of all time. I would have liked to see Lance
at
&gt; &gt; least race the Vuelta or Giro to see how he matched up in those tours.
I
&gt; &gt; have no doubt he could have won them (Not all in the same year mind you)
and
&gt; &gt; proven himself as the second best Grand Tour rider of all time, but he's
&gt;
&gt; What the hell is a grand tour rider, please Armstrong is not in the top
&gt; ten of All time riders,
&gt; to great the advanteg to run one single race per year.
&gt;
A rider that focuses/rides the Grand Tours (Those being the Giro, Tour, and
Vuelta).

And a case can be made for Armstrong to be in the top 10 all time. He is
hurt by his focus on the Tour, but he also was a World Champion, won other
stage races (Dauphine, Criterium, Midi, etc.) and rode well in the one day
Classics.

Jason

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#19: Re: OT - [R] Tour de France

Posted on 2006-07-23 20:45:50 by Uncle Dave

Grant Flowers wrote:

&gt; America.... FUCK YEAH!!!!

Unfortunately, given that drug taking continues to be endemic in
cycling - and has been for a hundred years since the early riders used
to carry bottles of brandy to keep them going - the first thing that
comes to mind is &quot;what have the yanks found that nobody else can detect
yet?&quot; Sad but true, and I speak as somebody who has loved the sport
for forty plus years.

I recognised a long time ago that if you win big in cycling then
you're almost certainly taking drugs. The saddest thing is the number
of top riders who died young, or comparatively so. Far too many to be
coincidental...

Having said all that, God help anyone trying to prise the remote from
me at Spring classic time. Which, for all you Lance fans out there, is
when the real racing is done ;-) The tour is for a handful of
specialists nowadays and a pale imitation of how it was even 15 years
ago.

Cheers

UD

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