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#1: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 15:29:06 by nmdc69

You heard it here first.

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#2: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 15:37:11 by EvaHayworth

I'm sure Zidane is so upset with his punishment especially since he
already announced his retirement.

FIFA is a joke.

How many other players should be banned for using foul language?
What kind of precedent does this set?


<a href="mailto:nmdc69&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">nmdc69&#64;hotmail.com</a> wrote:
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#3: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 16:13:43 by Victoria Barrett

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:05:14 +0200, &quot;Futbolmetrix&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:futbolmetrix&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">futbolmetrix&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:nmdc69&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">nmdc69&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt; You heard it here first.
&gt;
&gt;Materazzi banned for two competitive matches.
&gt;
&gt;September 2: Italy - Estonia(?)
&gt;September 6: France - Italy
&gt;
&gt;How convenient.

Good. Put it behind you (pl.).

The only thing that would've made it perfect, would have been for
Materazzi and Zidane to meet at half-field, and shake hands before the
battery of photographers and fans.

But the world ain't perfect.

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#4: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 16:19:23 by nmdc69

&gt; The only thing that would've made it perfect, would have been for
&gt; Materazzi and Zidane to meet at half-field, and shake hands before the
&gt; battery of photographers and fans.
&gt;

Zidane's sister giving a hug to Materazzi, *that* would have been
perfect.

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#5: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 16:34:12 by Randy Monk

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&gt;
&gt; &gt; The only thing that would've made it perfect, would have been for
&gt; &gt; Materazzi and Zidane to meet at half-field, and shake hands before the
&gt; &gt; battery of photographers and fans.
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; Zidane's sister giving a hug to Materazzi, *that* would have been
&gt; perfect.
&gt;

I was thinking of something similar except it had a gag ball, leather whip
and Zizou in a gimp suit

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#6: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 16:53:44 by yd

Futbolmetrix a écrit :
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:nmdc69&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">nmdc69&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt; You heard it here first.
&gt;
&gt; Materazzi banned for two competitive matches.
&gt;
&gt; September 2: Italy - Estonia(?)
&gt; September 6: France - Italy
&gt;
&gt; How convenient.

16-8-2006 : Italia - Croatia

I think Materazzi will be available for France - Italy


&gt;
&gt; Daniele
&gt;
&gt;

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#7: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 17:05:14 by Futbolmetrix

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&gt; You heard it here first.

Materazzi banned for two competitive matches.

September 2: Italy - Estonia(?)
September 6: France - Italy

How convenient.

Daniele

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#8: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 17:05:46 by nmdc69

Randy Monk wrote:
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:nmdc69&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">nmdc69&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; The only thing that would've made it perfect, would have been for
&gt; &gt; &gt; Materazzi and Zidane to meet at half-field, and shake hands before the
&gt; &gt; &gt; battery of photographers and fans.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Zidane's sister giving a hug to Materazzi, *that* would have been
&gt; &gt; perfect.
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; I was thinking of something similar except it had a gag ball, leather whip
&gt; and Zizou in a gimp suit

nice visual. I wonder if the 4500 Euro fine would cover her fee.

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#9: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 18:06:44 by Bruce Scott TOK

someone with an alias wrote:

&gt;Futbolmetrix a écrit :
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:nmdc69&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">nmdc69&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message

&gt;16-8-2006 : Italia - Croatia
&gt;
&gt;I think Materazzi will be available for France - Italy

I think that 16 Aug match is a friendly (same day as Ger - Swe), so it
wouldn't count. The two matches Daniele lists are the first two
qualifiers for Euro2008.

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#10: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 18:19:02 by FlammesSombres

Futbolmetrix wrote:
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&gt; &gt; You heard it here first.
&gt;
&gt; Materazzi banned for two competitive matches.
&gt;
&gt; September 2: Italy - Estonia(?)
&gt; September 6: France - Italy
&gt;
&gt; How convenient.
&gt;
&gt; Daniele

By the way, Italy is facing Lithuania, not Estonia on Sept 2.

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#11: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 18:21:30 by unknown

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#12: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 18:26:17 by Rolleston

anders t:
&gt; More than 57% of ~33000 poll takers for Swedish Aftonbladet thinks
&gt; Materazzi got away too easy.
&gt;
&gt; ZIDANE (35757 votes):
&gt; Too mild 26.5% - 39.6% Too harsh
&gt; (Just right 33.9%)
&gt;
&gt; MATERAZZI (32758 votes):
&gt; Too mild 57.4% - 25.0% Too harsh
&gt; (Just right 17.6%)

A 2 match ban is in line with Frings' ban for a punch
and Rooney's ban for a stamp. I would not call it too
mild unless those other bans were too mild.

R.

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#13: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 18:38:22 by unknown

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#14: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 18:58:34 by nmdc69

Let's imagine the exact reverse: Materazzi headbutting Zidane after a
verbal &quot;provocation&quot;.
My guess:

- Zidane not punished, Materazzi 8 days.

- Press all over the world crying for poor Zidane and foaming at thug
Materazzi
(ok, this one wouldn't change).

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#15: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 20:39:00 by Goldmund

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:21:30 +0200, anders t
&lt;<a href="mailto:anthu_001&#64;No" target="_blank">anthu_001&#64;No</a>€SPaM€_hotmail.com&gt; wrote:


&gt;More than 57% of ~33000 poll takers for Swedish Aftonbladet thinks
&gt;Materazzi got away too easy.
&gt;
&gt;ZIDANE (35757 votes):
&gt;Too mild 26.5% - 39.6% Too harsh
&gt;(Just right 33.9%)
&gt;
&gt;MATERAZZI (32758 votes):
&gt;Too mild 57.4% - 25.0% Too harsh
&gt;(Just right 17.6%)

So in sweden if you insult somebody and the other reacts hitting you,
it's in his rights, all in all you have to expect it.
Good, I will remember to bring an helmet when I come to sweden.

The interesting poll, though, would be knowing what the danes think
about it...

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#16: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 20:40:28 by aaa

anders t wrote:
&gt; More than 57% of ~33000 poll takers for Swedish Aftonbladet thinks
&gt; Materazzi got away too easy.
&gt;
&gt; ZIDANE (35757 votes):
&gt; Too mild 26.5% - 39.6% Too harsh
&gt; (Just right 33.9%)
&gt;
&gt; MATERAZZI (32758 votes):
&gt; Too mild 57.4% - 25.0% Too harsh
&gt; (Just right 17.6%)
&gt;
I thought the Swedes had matured a little since my golden years in
Stockholm, but alas, no. The criminal still gets all the sympathy. The
victims still gets all the blame. No wonder they didn=B4t want to punish
Palme=B4s killer. L

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#17: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 20:41:51 by Irish Rover

&quot;Rolleston&quot; wrote
&gt; anders t:
&gt; &gt; More than 57% of ~33000 poll takers for Swedish Aftonbladet thinks
&gt; &gt; Materazzi got away too easy.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; ZIDANE (35757 votes):
&gt; &gt; Too mild 26.5% - 39.6% Too harsh
&gt; &gt; (Just right 33.9%)
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; MATERAZZI (32758 votes):
&gt; &gt; Too mild 57.4% - 25.0% Too harsh
&gt; &gt; (Just right 17.6%)
&gt;
&gt; A 2 match ban is in line with Frings' ban for a punch
&gt; and Rooney's ban for a stamp. I would not call it too
&gt; mild unless those other bans were too mild.

Zidane said he'd rather have been punched in the face

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#18: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 20:45:07 by Irish Rover

&quot;Futbolmetrix&quot; wrote

&gt; Materazzi banned for two competitive matches.
&gt;
&gt; September 2: Italy - Estonia(?)
&gt; September 6: France - Italy
&gt;
&gt; How convenient.

Yes, they couldn't wait to bury this thing and avoid the possibility of
further installments.

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#19: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 20:46:03 by pearlvn

Victoria Barrett wrote:
&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:05:14 +0200, &quot;Futbolmetrix&quot;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:futbolmetrix&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">futbolmetrix&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:nmdc69&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">nmdc69&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; &gt;&gt; You heard it here first.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Materazzi banned for two competitive matches.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;September 2: Italy - Estonia(?)
&gt; &gt;September 6: France - Italy
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;How convenient.
&gt;
&gt; Good. Put it behind you (pl.).
&gt;
&gt; The only thing that would've made it perfect, would have been for
&gt; Materazzi and Zidane to meet at half-field, and shake hands before the
&gt; battery of photographers and fans.

.... and move to Vermont as somebody suggested?!

- g

&gt;
&gt; But the world ain't perfect.
&gt;
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#20: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 20:46:03 by Rolleston

Goldmund &lt;<a href="mailto:user&#64;provider.com" target="_blank">user&#64;provider.com</a>&gt; writes:
&gt; So in sweden if you insult somebody and the other reacts hitting you,
&gt; it's in his rights, all in all you have to expect it.
&gt; Good, I will remember to bring an helmet when I come to sweden.

You're anticipating insulting people there?

R.

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#21: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 20:52:14 by 3573 bytes free

<a href="mailto:EvaHayworth&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">EvaHayworth&#64;gmail.com</a> wrote:
&gt; I'm sure Zidane is so upset with his punishment especially since he
&gt; already announced his retirement.
&gt;
&gt; FIFA is a joke.
&gt;
&gt; How many other players should be banned for using foul language?
&gt; What kind of precedent does this set?

No precedent, this is an ad personam thing. Zidane is more equal than
the others.

I never felt so proud NOT to be French, today.

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#22: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 20:59:43 by Irish Rover

&quot;Rolleston&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Nemo&#64;nullsome.net" target="_blank">Nemo&#64;nullsome.net</a>&gt; wrote

&gt; Goldmund &lt;<a href="mailto:user&#64;provider.com" target="_blank">user&#64;provider.com</a>&gt; writes:
&gt; &gt; So in sweden if you insult somebody and the other reacts hitting you,
&gt; &gt; it's in his rights, all in all you have to expect it.
&gt; &gt; Good, I will remember to bring an helmet when I come to sweden.
&gt;
&gt; You're anticipating insulting people there?

it's part of the game, you know ...

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#23: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 21:28:20 by bellavalle

Materazzi is a champion, he scored in the final. Blatter refused to
reward italy after the match: this is a scandal. It explains why they
punished materazzi.

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#24: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 21:30:55 by lucianir

Victoria Barrett wrote:
..&gt; The only thing that would've made it perfect, would have been for
&gt; Materazzi and Zidane to meet at half-field, and shake hands before the
&gt; battery of photographers and fans.
&gt;

I disagree. Anybody that has a even small knowledge of football knows
that players insult eachother all the time. Zidane surely did it may
thousand
times in his career himself. So what happened shows that Zidane is
a lier and an hypocrit, besides having a poor control of his nerves
when
he is not winning :o))).

So the first thing Materazzi must do, when meeting Zidane again, is
to ask him how is that whore of his sister, obviously keeping ready
to smash his head if he tries to get near...
and more... each italian player, during the game, will be asking the
french players how their mother and sisters are getting along :O))))
r.l.

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#25: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 21:34:55 by unknown

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#28: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 21:42:46 by FirstName

Goldmund &lt;<a href="mailto:user&#64;provider.com" target="_blank">user&#64;provider.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; So in sweden if you insult somebody and the other reacts hitting you,
&gt; it's in his rights, all in all you have to expect it.

No. Both him and you will be punished. Wasn't that the case for ZZ-MM?


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#29: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 21:52:13 by FirstName

&lt;<a href="mailto:bellavalle&#64;email.it" target="_blank">bellavalle&#64;email.it</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; Materazzi is a champion, he scored in the final. Blatter refused to
&gt; reward italy after the match: this is a scandal. It explains why they
&gt; punished materazzi.

A scandal is what currently happens in Serie A. Period.


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#30: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 22:21:07 by aaa

anders t wrote:
&gt; Quoting LeGar in rec.sport.soccer:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;I thought the Swedes had matured a little since my golden years in
&gt; &gt;Stockholm, but alas, no. The criminal still gets all the sympathy.
&gt;
&gt; You sympathize with the one who provokes and instigates violence.
&gt;
Materazzi? No way, he=B4s a thug and always was a disgrace to football.
But he should not be punished for some silly verbal insults, something
most of the players do most of the time. Reprimanded maybe, but not
punished. L

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#31: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-20 22:24:52 by unknown

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#32: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-21 00:24:06 by claudio.serra

Ok...let's prepare to see how many times a player will be punished for
saying something like Materazzi tell to Zidane. Considering that during
a football match usually 22 players say bad words, uhm...we're going to
see 50% of the matches in a season for referee provisions.
Absurd...Fifa fuck off...you're jocking.

According to me, it was right:
Zidane: out for 1 year
Materazzi: nothing.

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#33: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-21 00:27:07 by claudio.serra

Francesi di merda, non siete leali e onesti manco per un cazzo.
Al posto vostro, da italiano e a parti invertite, per lealt=E0 sportiva,
avrei gridato allo scandalo....
Questo costituisce un precedente...Ogni partita dovrebbe finire prima
del previsto per 22 espulsioni prima del 90'.
Blatter odia l'Italia perch=E8 questo doveva essere il mondiale Adidas
ma l'Italia ha fatto fuori sia la Germania che la Francia che erano
borchiate con quella griffe.

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#34: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-21 01:36:28 by Diabolik

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&gt; You heard it here first.

LOL!
Are they for real??? Fifa is a joke.

And for all the assholes who doubted Materazzi, THERE WERE NO RACIST
COMMENTS.

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#35: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-21 01:38:25 by aaa

Diabolik wrote:
&gt; LOL!
&gt; Are they for real??? Fifa is a joke.
&gt;
Are they for real? Yes. Do they have a shred of credibility? No. L

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#36: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-21 02:58:03 by Jason Maxwell

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&gt; You heard it here first.
&gt;
FIFA continues to prove it's a joke.

Zidane headbutt gets the same penalty as Mastroeni's ill-advised tackle and
DeRossi's elbow to McBride's head gets a worse penalty.

Jason

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#37: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-21 03:59:01 by Fabiorossi5

<a href="mailto:EvaHayworth&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">EvaHayworth&#64;gmail.com</a> wrote:
&gt; I'm sure Zidane is so upset with his punishment especially since he
&gt; already announced his retirement.
&gt;
&gt; FIFA is a joke.
&gt;
&gt; How many other players should be banned for using foul language?
&gt; What kind of precedent does this set?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; <a href="mailto:nmdc69&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">nmdc69&#64;hotmail.com</a> wrote:
&gt; &gt; You heard it here first.

FIFA is a joke. Zidane is a thug and a LeTerroiste.

Materazzi is a champion and the only man to score a goal in the World
Cup final with the exception of Toni. Toni was not offside.

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#38: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-21 04:35:36 by schwank

On 20 Jul 2006 11:40:28 -0700, &quot;LeGar&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:arminsson&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">arminsson&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;anders t wrote:

&gt;&gt; More than 57% of ~33000 poll takers for Swedish Aftonbladet thinks
&gt;&gt; Materazzi got away too easy.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; ZIDANE (35757 votes):
&gt;&gt; Too mild 26.5% - 39.6% Too harsh
&gt;&gt; (Just right 33.9%)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; MATERAZZI (32758 votes):
&gt;&gt; Too mild 57.4% - 25.0% Too harsh
&gt;&gt; (Just right 17.6%)

&gt;I thought the Swedes had matured a little since my golden years in
&gt;Stockholm, but alas, no. The criminal still gets all the sympathy. The
&gt;victims still gets all the blame. No wonder they didn´t want to punish
&gt;Palme´s killer. L

I was just thinking of that. Swedes, otherwise decent, are rather
naive when it comes to recognizing and dealing with criminals,
possibly due to an egotistical sense of democracy. As a result of a
knee-jerk assumption that anybody fleeing from lesser democracies or
regimes must be victims, Sweden has become a safe haven for criminals
from the third world.

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#39: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-21 06:53:58 by Goldmund

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:42:46 +0200, <a href="mailto:firstname&#64;lastname.net" target="_blank">firstname&#64;lastname.net</a> (Florian)
wrote:

&gt;Goldmund &lt;<a href="mailto:user&#64;provider.com" target="_blank">user&#64;provider.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; So in sweden if you insult somebody and the other reacts hitting you,
&gt;&gt; it's in his rights, all in all you have to expect it.
&gt;
&gt;No. Both him and you will be punished. Wasn't that the case for ZZ-MM?

3-2 is not an equal punishment, it's pretty evident.
and it's a clear message by Fifa, since Zidane has retired anyway, a 5
match ban would have had no effect, but this is a giant excuse to
recover the mess he made in his last match, to make him appear a
victim and let him go among the saints of football.

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#40: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-21 06:57:21 by Goldmund

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:46:03 +0100, Rolleston &lt;<a href="mailto:Nemo&#64;nullsome.net" target="_blank">Nemo&#64;nullsome.net</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;Goldmund &lt;<a href="mailto:user&#64;provider.com" target="_blank">user&#64;provider.com</a>&gt; writes:
&gt;&gt; So in sweden if you insult somebody and the other reacts hitting you,
&gt;&gt; it's in his rights, all in all you have to expect it.
&gt;&gt; Good, I will remember to bring an helmet when I come to sweden.
&gt;
&gt;You're anticipating insulting people there?

I'm not insulting the swedes, they are nice people, I'm just
translating the poll (whose reliability is to be checked btw): you
insult somebody and you get beaten and the the proportion of your
punishemnt is 2/3 of who beated you: too mild says the poll. So...

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#41: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-21 06:58:30 by Goldmund

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:34:55 +0200, anders t
&lt;<a href="mailto:anthu_001&#64;No" target="_blank">anthu_001&#64;No</a>€SPaM€_hotmail.com&gt; wrote:

&gt;Quoting Goldmund in rec.sport.soccer:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;So in sweden if you insult somebody and the other reacts hitting you,
&gt;&gt;it's in his rights, all in all you have to expect it.
&gt;&gt;Good, I will remember to bring an helmet when I come to sweden.
&gt;
&gt;We hate bullying instigators. Peace disturbers.

Good, me too

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#42: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-21 09:28:24 by imhotep

On 2006-07-21 14:53:58 +1000, Goldmund &lt;<a href="mailto:user&#64;provider.com" target="_blank">user&#64;provider.com</a>&gt; said:

&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:42:46 +0200, <a href="mailto:firstname&#64;lastname.net" target="_blank">firstname&#64;lastname.net</a> (Florian)
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Goldmund &lt;<a href="mailto:user&#64;provider.com" target="_blank">user&#64;provider.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; So in sweden if you insult somebody and the other reacts hitting you,
&gt;&gt;&gt; it's in his rights, all in all you have to expect it.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; No. Both him and you will be punished. Wasn't that the case for ZZ-MM?
&gt;
&gt; 3-2 is not an equal punishment, it's pretty evident.
&gt; and it's a clear message by Fifa, since Zidane has retired anyway, a 5
&gt; match ban would have had no effect, but this is a giant excuse to
&gt; recover the mess he made in his last match, to make him appear a
&gt; victim and let him go among the saints of football.

I call it FIFA corruption. This sets one hell of a precedent. I am
waiting for clubs to take matters to court in the next round.

This all comes down to one man though. Blatter. The con fo world
football needs to be eliminated for the good of the game.

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#43: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-21 09:43:55 by Diabolik

&quot;Goldmund&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:user&#64;provider.com" target="_blank">user&#64;provider.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:42:46 +0200, <a href="mailto:firstname&#64;lastname.net" target="_blank">firstname&#64;lastname.net</a> (Florian)
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;Goldmund &lt;<a href="mailto:user&#64;provider.com" target="_blank">user&#64;provider.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; So in sweden if you insult somebody and the other reacts hitting you,
&gt; &gt;&gt; it's in his rights, all in all you have to expect it.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;No. Both him and you will be punished. Wasn't that the case for ZZ-MM?
&gt;
&gt; 3-2 is not an equal punishment, it's pretty evident.
&gt; and it's a clear message by Fifa, since Zidane has retired anyway, a 5
&gt; match ban would have had no effect, but this is a giant excuse to
&gt; recover the mess he made in his last match, to make him appear a
&gt; victim and let him go among the saints of football.

That's what this is about, to make Zidane look like the victim so it doesn't
tarnish his career.

Laughable Stupidity.

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#44: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-21 09:44:00 by Diabolik

&quot;anders t&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:anthu_001&#64;No" target="_blank">anthu_001&#64;No</a>?SPaM?_hotmail.com&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Quoting LeGar in rec.sport.soccer:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;anders t wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; Quoting LeGar in rec.sport.soccer:
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;I thought the Swedes had matured a little since my golden years in
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;Stockholm, but alas, no. The criminal still gets all the sympathy.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; You sympathize with the one who provokes and instigates violence.
&gt; ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
&gt;
&gt; &gt;Materazzi? No way, he´s a thug and always was a disgrace to football.
&gt; &gt;But he should not be punished for some silly verbal insults, something
&gt; &gt;most of the players do most of the time. Reprimanded maybe, but not
&gt; &gt;punished. L
&gt;
&gt; As I was saying.
&gt;
&gt; Btw: apparently it wasn't Materazzi's everyday insults.

Big Fucking Deal!

He wasn't racist, so what was the problem?

He called his sister a whore?
LOL! Hardly an insult for a headbutt.

Laughable.

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#45: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-21 09:44:01 by mg

I'd like to know what would have been the penalty if Materazzi hitted
Zidane. I'm sure he would have gotten at least 8 matches, and Zidane
would have been sanctified.
It's a shame.

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#46: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-21 12:28:05 by Rolleston

Goldmund &lt;<a href="mailto:user&#64;provider.com" target="_blank">user&#64;provider.com</a>&gt; writes:
&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:46:03 +0100, Rolleston &lt;<a href="mailto:Nemo&#64;nullsome.net" target="_blank">Nemo&#64;nullsome.net</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Goldmund &lt;<a href="mailto:user&#64;provider.com" target="_blank">user&#64;provider.com</a>&gt; writes:
&gt;&gt;&gt; So in sweden if you insult somebody and the other reacts hitting you,
&gt;&gt;&gt; it's in his rights, all in all you have to expect it.
&gt;&gt;&gt; Good, I will remember to bring an helmet when I come to sweden.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;You're anticipating insulting people there?
&gt;
&gt; I'm not insulting the swedes, they are nice people, I'm just
&gt; translating the poll (whose reliability is to be checked btw): you
&gt; insult somebody and you get beaten and the the proportion of your
&gt; punishemnt is 2/3 of who beated you: too mild says the poll. So...

So... you don't insult anyone, they don't attack you, and everyone's
happy :)

R.

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#47: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-21 13:02:33 by nmdc69

anders t wrote:
&gt; Quoting Futbolmetrix in rec.sport.soccer:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:nmdc69&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">nmdc69&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; &gt;news:<a href="mailto:1153402146.877894.139350&#64;m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1153402146.877894.139350&#64;m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...</a>
&gt; &gt;&gt; You heard it here first.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Materazzi banned for two competitive matches.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;September 2: Italy - Estonia(?)
&gt; &gt;September 6: France - Italy
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;How convenient.
&gt;
&gt; More than 57% of ~33000 poll takers for Swedish Aftonbladet thinks
&gt; Materazzi got away too easy.
&gt;
&gt; ZIDANE (35757 votes):
&gt; Too mild 26.5% - 39.6% Too harsh
&gt; (Just right 33.9%)
&gt;
&gt; MATERAZZI (32758 votes):
&gt; Too mild 57.4% - 25.0% Too harsh
&gt; (Just right 17.6%)
&gt;
&gt;
nobody cares what the Swedes think.

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#51: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-21 15:34:41 by shussbar

Diabolik wrote:
&gt; &quot;anders t&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:anthu_001&#64;No" target="_blank">anthu_001&#64;No</a>?SPaM?_hotmail.com&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &gt; Quoting LeGar in rec.sport.soccer:
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;anders t wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Quoting LeGar in rec.sport.soccer:
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;I thought the Swedes had matured a little since my golden years in
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;Stockholm, but alas, no. The criminal still gets all the sympathy.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; You sympathize with the one who provokes and instigates violence.
&gt; &gt; ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;Materazzi? No way, he=B4s a thug and always was a disgrace to football.
&gt; &gt; &gt;But he should not be punished for some silly verbal insults, something
&gt; &gt; &gt;most of the players do most of the time. Reprimanded maybe, but not
&gt; &gt; &gt;punished. L
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; As I was saying.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Btw: apparently it wasn't Materazzi's everyday insults.
&gt;
&gt; Big Fucking Deal!
&gt;
&gt; He wasn't racist, so what was the problem?
&gt;
&gt; He called his sister a whore?
&gt; LOL! Hardly an insult for a headbutt.
&gt;
&gt; Laughable.

Would you call your own sister this way? Give it a try. And let us know
if she enjoy it.

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#52: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-21 17:30:15 by dandina

zidane?a animal..
blatter e platini no comment...


SHUSSBAR ha scritto:

&gt; Diabolik wrote:
&gt; &gt; &quot;anders t&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:anthu_001&#64;No" target="_blank">anthu_001&#64;No</a>?SPaM?_hotmail.com&gt; wrote in message
&gt; &gt; news:<a href="mailto:lhpvb2hh1rcc5d5r4hnp92tu919b7fl0q9&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">lhpvb2hh1rcc5d5r4hnp92tu919b7fl0q9&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Quoting LeGar in rec.sport.soccer:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;anders t wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Quoting LeGar in rec.sport.soccer:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;I thought the Swedes had matured a little since my golden years in
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;Stockholm, but alas, no. The criminal still gets all the sympathy.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; You sympathize with the one who provokes and instigates violence.
&gt; &gt; &gt; ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Materazzi? No way, he=B4s a thug and always was a disgrace to footba=
ll.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;But he should not be punished for some silly verbal insults, somethi=
ng
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;most of the players do most of the time. Reprimanded maybe, but not
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;punished. L
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; As I was saying.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Btw: apparently it wasn't Materazzi's everyday insults.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Big Fucking Deal!
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; He wasn't racist, so what was the problem?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; He called his sister a whore?
&gt; &gt; LOL! Hardly an insult for a headbutt.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Laughable.
&gt;
&gt; Would you call your own sister this way? Give it a try. And let us know
&gt; if she enjoy it.

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#53: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-21 17:54:43 by Diabolik

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Diabolik wrote:
&gt; &quot;anders t&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:anthu_001&#64;No" target="_blank">anthu_001&#64;No</a>?SPaM?_hotmail.com&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &gt; Quoting LeGar in rec.sport.soccer:
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;anders t wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Quoting LeGar in rec.sport.soccer:
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;I thought the Swedes had matured a little since my golden years in
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;Stockholm, but alas, no. The criminal still gets all the sympathy.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; You sympathize with the one who provokes and instigates violence.
&gt; &gt; ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;Materazzi? No way, he´s a thug and always was a disgrace to football.
&gt; &gt; &gt;But he should not be punished for some silly verbal insults, something
&gt; &gt; &gt;most of the players do most of the time. Reprimanded maybe, but not
&gt; &gt; &gt;punished. L
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; As I was saying.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Btw: apparently it wasn't Materazzi's everyday insults.
&gt;
&gt; Big Fucking Deal!
&gt;
&gt; He wasn't racist, so what was the problem?
&gt;
&gt; He called his sister a whore?
&gt; LOL! Hardly an insult for a headbutt.
&gt;
&gt; Laughable.

&gt; Would you call your own sister this way? Give it a try. And let us know
&gt; if she enjoy it.

No, but I wouldn't headbutt someone for it.
It's absurd.

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#54: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-21 18:49:01 by nmdc69

anders t wrote:
&gt; Quoting mg in rec.sport.soccer:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;I'd like to know what would have been the penalty if Materazzi hitted
&gt; &gt;Zidane.
&gt;
&gt; Why? Because Zidane promised him to get his shirt after the game?
&gt;
&gt; &gt;I'm sure he would have gotten at least 8 matches, and Zidane
&gt; &gt;would have been sanctified.
&gt;
&gt; Yeah, for that I'm sure 8 games would have been about right.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;It's a shame.
&gt;
&gt; And all on Materazzi.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; --

it's obvious that the poster meant &quot;what if the role of the two players
was completely
reversed&quot;. Hint: Zidane says bad words, Materazzi headbutts. What do
you think
the punishments would have been?

[My guess: Materazzi 6-months out, Zidane unpunished.]

While you're at it, was De Rossi's fault (5 days suspension) worse
than
Zidane's (3 days fake suspension)?

let's see how honest Zidane's lovers can be.

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#55: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-21 21:04:12 by shussbar

Diabolik wrote:
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&gt;
&gt; Diabolik wrote:
&gt; &gt; &quot;anders t&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:anthu_001&#64;No" target="_blank">anthu_001&#64;No</a>?SPaM?_hotmail.com&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &gt; &gt; Quoting LeGar in rec.sport.soccer:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;anders t wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Quoting LeGar in rec.sport.soccer:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;I thought the Swedes had matured a little since my golden years in
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;Stockholm, but alas, no. The criminal still gets all the sympathy.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; You sympathize with the one who provokes and instigates violence.
&gt; &gt; &gt; ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Materazzi? No way, he=B4s a thug and always was a disgrace to footba=
ll.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;But he should not be punished for some silly verbal insults, somethi=
ng
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;most of the players do most of the time. Reprimanded maybe, but not
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;punished. L
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; As I was saying.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Btw: apparently it wasn't Materazzi's everyday insults.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Big Fucking Deal!
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; He wasn't racist, so what was the problem?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; He called his sister a whore?
&gt; &gt; LOL! Hardly an insult for a headbutt.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Laughable.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Would you call your own sister this way? Give it a try. And let us know
&gt; &gt; if she enjoy it.
&gt;
&gt; No, but I wouldn't headbutt someone for it.
&gt; It's absurd.

SHE might headbutt you ,grab your balls and twist them

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#56: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-21 23:11:40 by MH

anders t wrote:
&gt; Italians fear the the Materazzi verdict because it threatens one of the
&gt; specialities they use in order to win games.

What evidence do you have that they use it more than any other team,
given that we can't hear and follow what goes on off the ball ?

And how do you see this being enforced ?

I mean, I am in agreement that rules already exist saying that foul,
abusive and insulting language can be penalized with a red card, and I
would have no trouble if refs started to take that more seriously.
It is quite clear to me that players are using words they shouldn't be,
even in addressing the refs.

But the problem is that refs can't penalise what they can't hear (or
understand, as there can also be a language issue). And trying to do
the enforcement after games by interrogating witnesses, none of whom
will be unbiased, just doesn't make sense to me.

Also where do you draw the line as to what is acceptable ? Do you make
up a list analogous to George Carlin's sketch &quot;Seven words you cannot
say on TV&quot; (an old sketch - I have heard every one of them on TV since
then) ? Can you call an opponent a Swine ? a Pig ? A wanker ? A
reprobate ? A cad ? A bastard ? As the Guardian article suggests,
FIFA have opened a giant can of worms with this.

Finally the implication that Materazzi &quot;must have said something really
bad, because Zidane reacted&quot; is spurious, since Zidane has a history of
indiscipline, and we'll never know exactly what was said.

And as I have said before , what about all other incidences of
provocation ? Do we now go back and suspend Van Bommel &quot;a character
every bit as unsavoury as Materazzi on the pitch&quot; for whatever he said
to Figo ? How about van der Saar for his confrontation with Ortega in
1998 (also a head butt incident, and not as forceful as Zidane's) ?





&gt;
&gt;

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#57: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-22 02:10:10 by schwank

anders t &lt;<a href="mailto:anthu_001&#64;No" target="_blank">anthu_001&#64;No</a>€SPaM€_hotmail.com&gt; wrote:
&gt;Quoting AlanS in rec.sport.soccer:

&gt;&gt;I was just thinking of that. Swedes, otherwise decent, are rather
&gt;&gt;naive when it comes to recognizing and dealing with criminals,
&gt;&gt;possibly due to an egotistical sense of democracy. As a result of a
&gt;&gt;knee-jerk assumption that anybody fleeing from lesser democracies or
&gt;&gt;regimes must be victims, Sweden has become a safe haven for criminals
&gt;&gt;from the third world.

&gt;Yeah, we should shoot more people and invade more countries.

You don't have to go to the other extreme. Optimum usually is
somewhere in between.

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#58: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-22 02:19:46 by Diabolik

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&gt;
&gt; Diabolik wrote:
&gt; &gt; &quot;anders t&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:anthu_001&#64;No" target="_blank">anthu_001&#64;No</a>?SPaM?_hotmail.com&gt; wrote in message
&gt; &gt; news:<a href="mailto:lhpvb2hh1rcc5d5r4hnp92tu919b7fl0q9&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">lhpvb2hh1rcc5d5r4hnp92tu919b7fl0q9&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Quoting LeGar in rec.sport.soccer:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;anders t wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Quoting LeGar in rec.sport.soccer:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;I thought the Swedes had matured a little since my golden years in
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;Stockholm, but alas, no. The criminal still gets all the sympathy.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; You sympathize with the one who provokes and instigates violence.
&gt; &gt; &gt; ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Materazzi? No way, he´s a thug and always was a disgrace to football.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;But he should not be punished for some silly verbal insults,
something
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;most of the players do most of the time. Reprimanded maybe, but not
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;punished. L
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; As I was saying.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Btw: apparently it wasn't Materazzi's everyday insults.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Big Fucking Deal!
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; He wasn't racist, so what was the problem?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; He called his sister a whore?
&gt; &gt; LOL! Hardly an insult for a headbutt.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Laughable.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Would you call your own sister this way? Give it a try. And let us know
&gt; &gt; if she enjoy it.
&gt;
&gt; No, but I wouldn't headbutt someone for it.
&gt; It's absurd.

SHE might headbutt you ,grab your balls and twist them

Zidane's sister?
She must be an animal.

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Posted on 2006-07-22 08:18:47 by Goldmund

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:25:43 +0200, anders t
&lt;<a href="mailto:anthu_001&#64;No" target="_blank">anthu_001&#64;No</a>€SPaM€_hotmail.com&gt; wrote:

&gt;Italians fear the the Materazzi verdict because it threatens one of the
&gt;specialities they use in order to win games.

Anders' bullshitometer

+++++++++++++++++
^

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#63: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-22 13:31:04 by asik

MH &lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;ucalgary.ca" target="_blank">nospam&#64;ucalgary.ca</a>&gt; did this:

&gt; Also where do you draw the line as to what is acceptable ? Do you make
&gt; up a list analogous to George Carlin's sketch &quot;Seven words you cannot
&gt; say on TV&quot; (an old sketch - I have heard every one of them on TV since
&gt; then) ? Can you call an opponent a Swine ? a Pig ? A wanker ? A
&gt; reprobate ? A cad ? A bastard ? As the Guardian article suggests,
&gt; FIFA have opened a giant can of worms with this.

That is an interesting question. For example, to maintain consistency,
shouldn't players and coaches who do the international hand signal for
diving be given suspensions? The FIFA laws cover gestures just as well
as language and surely alledging that an athlete cheated is insulting.
Why is this never punished? Would it be punished if the player accused
of cheating headbutted his accuser?

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#64: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-22 14:16:31 by affory

&quot;Florian&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:firstname&#64;lastname.net" target="_blank">firstname&#64;lastname.net</a>&gt; ha scritto nel messaggio
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&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:bellavalle&#64;email.it" target="_blank">bellavalle&#64;email.it</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Materazzi is a champion, he scored in the final. Blatter refused to
&gt;&gt; reward italy after the match: this is a scandal. It explains why they
&gt;&gt; punished materazzi.
&gt;
&gt; A scandal is what currently happens in Serie A. Period.
&gt;

No way. The scandal is what happened from 1994 on. Nowadays we're starting
to have some waste disposed.. and we're are the full-deserved Champions
despite FIFA: all things to be proud of.
What happened to Zidane, the ashaming punishment of Materazzi or Blatter
avoiding to reward Italy are symptoms of hard teeth-grinding for our
victory, which makes its taste even sweeter.

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#65: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-22 14:21:46 by Diabolik

&quot;anders t&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:anthu_001&#64;No" target="_blank">anthu_001&#64;No</a>?SPaM?_hotmail.com&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Quoting Diabolik in rec.sport.soccer:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Would you call your own sister this way? Give it a try. And let us
know
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; if she enjoy it.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; No, but I wouldn't headbutt someone for it.
&gt; &gt;&gt; It's absurd.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;SHE might headbutt you ,grab your balls and twist them
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Zidane's sister?
&gt; &gt;She must be an animal.
&gt;
&gt; You are Zidane's brother?

I find it amusing how you defend Zidane's actions.

Keep going...

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#66: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-22 23:38:12 by FirstName

affory &lt;<a href="mailto:ifc&#64;m.i" target="_blank">ifc&#64;m.i</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; &gt; A scandal is what currently happens in Serie A. Period.
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; No way [...]

I see. Cheating in Seria A is not a scandal. It is PERFECTLY normal...
Actually, we knew that, didn't we?

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#67: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-23 03:33:33 by Diabolik

&quot;Florian&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:firstname&#64;lastname.net" target="_blank">firstname&#64;lastname.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; affory &lt;<a href="mailto:ifc&#64;m.i" target="_blank">ifc&#64;m.i</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; A scandal is what currently happens in Serie A. Period.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; No way [...]
&gt;
&gt; I see. Cheating in Seria A is not a scandal. It is PERFECTLY normal...
&gt; Actually, we knew that, didn't we?

Is it normal to headbutt in the French league?

I thought actions like that were reserved to thugs?

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#68: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-23 05:19:28 by imhotep

On 2006-07-21 22:25:43 +1000, anders t &lt;<a href="mailto:anthu_001&#64;No" target="_blank">anthu_001&#64;No</a>€SPaM€_hotmail.com&gt; said:

&gt; Italians fear the the Materazzi verdict because it threatens one of the
&gt; specialities they use in order to win games.

Troll.

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#69: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-23 06:11:11 by schwank

anders t &lt;<a href="mailto:anthu_001&#64;No" target="_blank">anthu_001&#64;No</a>€SPaM€_hotmail.com&gt; wrote:
&gt;Quoting AlanS in rec.sport.soccer:
&gt;&gt;anders t &lt;<a href="mailto:anthu_001&#64;No" target="_blank">anthu_001&#64;No</a>€SPaM€_hotmail.com&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;Quoting AlanS in rec.sport.soccer:

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I was just thinking of that. Swedes, otherwise decent, are rather
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;naive when it comes to recognizing and dealing with criminals,
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;possibly due to an egotistical sense of democracy. As a result of a
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;knee-jerk assumption that anybody fleeing from lesser democracies or
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;regimes must be victims, Sweden has become a safe haven for criminals
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;from the third world.

&gt;&gt;&gt;Yeah, we should shoot more people and invade more countries.

&gt;&gt;You don't have to go to the other extreme. Optimum usually is
&gt;&gt;somewhere in between.

&gt;Okay, we should shoot a few more people and invade a few more countries.

Since I cannot seem to discourage you from that, I give up. Go ahead.

What I had in mind was, however, simply *not* protecting and providing
amnesty to every criminal who plays the victim of society or regime
card.

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#72: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-23 11:19:40 by asik

<a href="mailto:firstname&#64;lastname.net" target="_blank">firstname&#64;lastname.net</a> (Florian) did this:

&gt; affory &lt;<a href="mailto:ifc&#64;m.i" target="_blank">ifc&#64;m.i</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; A scandal is what currently happens in Serie A. Period.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; No way [...]
&gt;
&gt; I see. Cheating in Seria A is not a scandal.

In the part you snipped, affory described the cheating as a scandal:
&quot;The scandal is what happened from 1994 on. Nowadays we're starting to
have some waste disposed..&quot; That's not a defense of cheating; it's the
reasonable point that what is currently happening in Serie A is that
the cheaters are being punished.

--
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#73: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-23 17:22:33 by Stuart Adamson

&quot;anders t&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:anthu_001&#64;No" target="_blank">anthu_001&#64;No</a>?SPaM?_hotmail.com&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Quoting AlanS in rec.sport.soccer:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Since I cannot seem to discourage you from that, I give up. Go ahead.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;What I had in mind was, however, simply *not* protecting and providing
&gt;&gt;amnesty to every criminal who plays the victim of society or regime
&gt;&gt;card.
&gt;
&gt; Okay I plead guilty for living in the possibly most open country in the
&gt; world. Should I feel sorry?
&gt;

Just hope you're never the victim........but if you want to be the criminal
you'll be ok

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#74: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-23 18:39:04 by FirstName

Diabolik &lt;<a href="mailto:diabolik&#64;email.it" target="_blank">diabolik&#64;email.it</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; &gt; I see. Cheating in Seria A is not a scandal. It is PERFECTLY normal...
&gt; &gt; Actually, we knew that, didn't we?
&gt;
&gt; Is it normal to headbutt in the French league?

No. It is punished. It is punished by FIFA. Zidane was punished, as
expected. Everything is normal... But apprently, cheating is perfectly
normal in serie A...




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#75: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-23 18:55:03 by schwank

anders t &lt;<a href="mailto:anthu_001&#64;No" target="_blank">anthu_001&#64;No</a>€SPaM€_hotmail.com&gt; wrote:
&gt;Quoting AlanS in rec.sport.soccer:

&gt;&gt;Since I cannot seem to discourage you from that, I give up. Go ahead.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;What I had in mind was, however, simply *not* protecting and providing
&gt;&gt;amnesty to every criminal who plays the victim of society or regime
&gt;&gt;card.

&gt;Okay I plead guilty for living in the possibly most open country in the
&gt;world. Should I feel sorry?

Acknowledging that no country is perfect and that there's always room
for improvement is better.

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#76: Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2

Posted on 2006-07-24 00:41:14 by affory

&quot;Florian&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:firstname&#64;lastname.net" target="_blank">firstname&#64;lastname.net</a>&gt; ha scritto nel messaggio
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&gt; affory &lt;<a href="mailto:ifc&#64;m.i" target="_blank">ifc&#64;m.i</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; A scandal is what currently happens in Serie A. Period.
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; No way [...]
&gt;
&gt; I see. Cheating in Seria A is not a scandal. It is PERFECTLY normal...
&gt; Actually, we knew that, didn't we?


I don't know.
But I bet you didn't know that deserving to lose the Championship with us
(while your national glory shows up to the whole world how fake and rough he
is, ending his career consistently) would hurt so much.

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