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#1: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-19 05:24:49 by Frankie Boy

My neighbor just got back from his trip to the finals...

He told me that the Italian fans were willing to pay $8000 per seat
(ouch!)-and made snotty comments to my neighbor and his group along the
lines of:

"You Americans don't even deserve to go"

Well, one of the Italians asked my neighbor and his group "Do you even know
who is playing?"

To which a guy, with a lot of Boston attitude, responded

"The Yankees and the Red Sox" :)

All heck broke loose, with ultimately the cops having to distance the two
groups...comments like "this is why everyone hates Americans"...

I don't know, but my dad always had a saying that went

"You ask a stupid question, you get a stupid action"

In otherwords, those guys got the response they deserved!

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#2: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-19 05:30:25 by Victoria Barrett

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:24:49 -0700, "Frankie Boy"
&lt;<a href="mailto:targetmedia&#64;cox.net" target="_blank">targetmedia&#64;cox.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;My neighbor just got back from his trip to the finals...
&lt;snip tale of internicine woe&gt;
&gt;In otherwords, those guys got the response they deserved!

As an Italian-American, Frank, you should know the moral of the WC
2006 story -- don't react even stupider, than the first guy did. :)

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#3: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-19 05:41:58 by Frankie Boy

Hey, I'm only the poster :)



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&gt; On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:24:49 -0700, &quot;Frankie Boy&quot;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:targetmedia&#64;cox.net" target="_blank">targetmedia&#64;cox.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;My neighbor just got back from his trip to the finals...
&gt; &lt;snip tale of internicine woe&gt;
&gt;&gt;In otherwords, those guys got the response they deserved!
&gt;
&gt; As an Italian-American, Frank, you should know the moral of the WC
&gt; 2006 story -- don't react even stupider, than the first guy did. :)
&gt;
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#4: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-19 05:43:53 by Frankie Boy

I meant &quot;You ask a stupid question, you get a stupid answer&quot;


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&gt;
&gt; My neighbor just got back from his trip to the finals...
&gt;
&gt; He told me that the Italian fans were willing to pay $8000 per seat
&gt; (ouch!)-and made snotty comments to my neighbor and his group along the
&gt; lines of:
&gt;
&gt; &quot;You Americans don't even deserve to go&quot;
&gt;
&gt; Well, one of the Italians asked my neighbor and his group &quot;Do you even
&gt; know who is playing?&quot;
&gt;
&gt; To which a guy, with a lot of Boston attitude, responded
&gt;
&gt; &quot;The Yankees and the Red Sox&quot; :)
&gt;
&gt; All heck broke loose, with ultimately the cops having to distance the two
&gt; groups...comments like &quot;this is why everyone hates Americans&quot;...
&gt;
&gt; I don't know, but my dad always had a saying that went
&gt;
&gt; &quot;You ask a stupid question, you get a stupid action&quot;
&gt;
&gt; In otherwords, those guys got the response they deserved!
&gt;

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#5: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-19 05:47:54 by Victoria Barrett

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:41:58 -0700, &quot;Frankie Boy&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:targetmedia&#64;cox.net" target="_blank">targetmedia&#64;cox.net</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;Hey, I'm only the poster :)

Yes, sorry about that, Frankie. Didn't mean to imply you had done
that!

We all know you would've kept a cool head, and brushed the guy off. :)

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#6: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-19 05:59:02 by Frankie Boy

I guess that when people start to condescend, it's not hard to lose one's
cool...I do remember one conversation I had at 3 AM at our hotel in
Gelsenkirchen with a couple of condescending, drunk Germans who sounded
amazed that the USA would even expect to get results (mind you, the way we
played that day we should have gotten minus points :( )...I guess that we
will continue to be greeted by that attitude until we start beating big
teams regularly...

You are right-I do tend to avoid confrontation.

BTW-he also said the security was intense, and it took him about 1 1/2 hours
to clear security and get to his seats...

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&gt; On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:41:58 -0700, &quot;Frankie Boy&quot;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:targetmedia&#64;cox.net" target="_blank">targetmedia&#64;cox.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Hey, I'm only the poster :)
&gt;
&gt; Yes, sorry about that, Frankie. Didn't mean to imply you had done
&gt; that!
&gt;
&gt; We all know you would've kept a cool head, and brushed the guy off. :)
&gt;
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#7: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-19 07:42:35 by Diabolik

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&gt;
&gt; My neighbor just got back from his trip to the finals...
&gt;
&gt; He told me that the Italian fans were willing to pay $8000 per seat
&gt; (ouch!)-and made snotty comments to my neighbor and his group along the
&gt; lines of:
&gt;
&gt; &quot;You Americans don't even deserve to go&quot;
&gt;
&gt; Well, one of the Italians asked my neighbor and his group &quot;Do you even
know
&gt; who is playing?&quot;
&gt;
&gt; To which a guy, with a lot of Boston attitude, responded
&gt;
&gt; &quot;The Yankees and the Red Sox&quot; :)
&gt;
&gt; All heck broke loose, with ultimately the cops having to distance the two
&gt; groups...comments like &quot;this is why everyone hates Americans&quot;...
&gt;
&gt; I don't know, but my dad always had a saying that went
&gt;
&gt; &quot;You ask a stupid question, you get a stupid action&quot;
&gt;
&gt; In otherwords, those guys got the response they deserved!

It's not good to generalise, but when you overhear US tourists in Venice
saying &quot;Those buildings are too old, they should knock 'em down and build
new ones&quot;,

.... or 100's of other stupid phrases, then you are sceptical.

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#8: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-19 12:51:25 by Bruce Scott TOK

&gt;I guess that when people start to condescend, it's not hard to lose one's
&gt;cool...I do remember one conversation I had at 3 AM at our hotel in
&gt;Gelsenkirchen with a couple of condescending, drunk Germans who sounded
&gt;amazed that the USA would even expect to get results (mind you, the way we
&gt;played that day we should have gotten minus points :( )...I guess that we
&gt;will continue to be greeted by that attitude until we start beating big
&gt;teams regularly...

Expecting this crap is one of several reasons I stayed in Duesseldorf
for that match. The Czechs were quite OK though... when they got drunk
they just sang songs :-)

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#9: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-19 15:06:57 by Frankie Boy

and if I were to hear US tourists say the same thing, I can't say I'd blame
you....


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&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; My neighbor just got back from his trip to the finals...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; He told me that the Italian fans were willing to pay $8000 per seat
&gt;&gt; (ouch!)-and made snotty comments to my neighbor and his group along the
&gt;&gt; lines of:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &quot;You Americans don't even deserve to go&quot;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Well, one of the Italians asked my neighbor and his group &quot;Do you even
&gt; know
&gt;&gt; who is playing?&quot;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; To which a guy, with a lot of Boston attitude, responded
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &quot;The Yankees and the Red Sox&quot; :)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; All heck broke loose, with ultimately the cops having to distance the two
&gt;&gt; groups...comments like &quot;this is why everyone hates Americans&quot;...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I don't know, but my dad always had a saying that went
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &quot;You ask a stupid question, you get a stupid action&quot;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; In otherwords, those guys got the response they deserved!
&gt;
&gt; It's not good to generalise, but when you overhear US tourists in Venice
&gt; saying &quot;Those buildings are too old, they should knock 'em down and build
&gt; new ones&quot;,
&gt;
&gt; ... or 100's of other stupid phrases, then you are sceptical.
&gt;
&gt;

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#10: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-19 17:14:31 by Sydney Diego

Frankie Boy wrote:
&gt; and if I were to hear US tourists say the same thing, I can't say I'd blame
&gt; you....
&gt;
&gt;
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&gt; &gt;
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&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; My neighbor just got back from his trip to the finals...
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; He told me that the Italian fans were willing to pay $8000 per seat
&gt; &gt;&gt; (ouch!)-and made snotty comments to my neighbor and his group along the
&gt; &gt;&gt; lines of:
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;You Americans don't even deserve to go&quot;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Well, one of the Italians asked my neighbor and his group &quot;Do you even
&gt; &gt; know
&gt; &gt;&gt; who is playing?&quot;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; To which a guy, with a lot of Boston attitude, responded
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;The Yankees and the Red Sox&quot; :)
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; All heck broke loose, with ultimately the cops having to distance the two
&gt; &gt;&gt; groups...comments like &quot;this is why everyone hates Americans&quot;...
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; I don't know, but my dad always had a saying that went
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;You ask a stupid question, you get a stupid action&quot;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; In otherwords, those guys got the response they deserved!
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; It's not good to generalise, but when you overhear US tourists in Venice
&gt; &gt; saying &quot;Those buildings are too old, they should knock 'em down and build
&gt; &gt; new ones&quot;,
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; ... or 100's of other stupid phrases, then you are sceptical.

Top tourists
1st Germans
2nd Americans
3rd Japanese
4th Italians
5th = French, Norwegians, Swedes



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#11: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-19 17:37:38 by Uncle Dave

Frankie Boy wrote:
&gt;
&gt; To which a guy, with a lot of Boston attitude, responded

&quot;One more word out of you and the tea gets it...&quot;

:-)

Screw 'em. I bid for my tickets in the first lottery and got a
couple, after which people were always saying &quot;aren't you lucky?&quot; as
thought this was in some wsay magic whereupon I would ask them if they
had applied for any themselves. &quot;No&quot; was always the reply...

Cheers

UD

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#12: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-19 17:40:21 by Uncle Dave

Sydney Diego wrote:

&lt;snip&gt;

&quot;Brits abroad are the least well-regarded by foreigners. They are the
rudest, meanest,
worst-behaved, most linguistically incompetent...&quot;

Brits are more linguistically incompetent than Americans?!!

UD

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#13: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-19 17:45:59 by Sydney Diego

Uncle Dave wrote:
&gt; Sydney Diego wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &lt;snip&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &quot;Brits abroad are the least well-regarded by foreigners. They are the
&gt; rudest, meanest,
&gt; worst-behaved, most linguistically incompetent...&quot;
&gt;
&gt; Brits are more linguistically incompetent than Americans?!!

Well at least the Americans can speak English...........

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#14: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-19 18:12:49 by pearlvn

Diabolik wrote:
&gt; &quot;Frankie Boy&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:targetmedia&#64;cox.net" target="_blank">targetmedia&#64;cox.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; My neighbor just got back from his trip to the finals...
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; He told me that the Italian fans were willing to pay $8000 per seat
&gt; &gt; (ouch!)-and made snotty comments to my neighbor and his group along the
&gt; &gt; lines of:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &quot;You Americans don't even deserve to go&quot;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Well, one of the Italians asked my neighbor and his group &quot;Do you even
&gt; know
&gt; &gt; who is playing?&quot;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; To which a guy, with a lot of Boston attitude, responded
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &quot;The Yankees and the Red Sox&quot; :)
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; All heck broke loose, with ultimately the cops having to distance the two
&gt; &gt; groups...comments like &quot;this is why everyone hates Americans&quot;...
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I don't know, but my dad always had a saying that went
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &quot;You ask a stupid question, you get a stupid action&quot;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; In otherwords, those guys got the response they deserved!
&gt;
&gt; It's not good to generalise, but when you overhear US tourists in Venice
&gt; saying &quot;Those buildings are too old, they should knock 'em down and build
&gt; new ones&quot;,

Eerie! In Amsterdam a few years ago, we were talking a boat ride on
the canals, between
rows of old buildings. Then we heard the very same thing from an
American tourist.

&quot;Why don't they knock these ancient buildings down and develop the
property!&quot;


- gsn




&gt;
&gt; ... or 100's of other stupid phrases, then you are sceptical.

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#15: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-19 19:05:27 by Frankie Boy

sounds like he might just be in commercial real estate :)

and in the USA, he could get the local government to condemn the land and
give it to him to turn into condos :(

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&gt;
&gt; Diabolik wrote:
&gt;&gt; &quot;Frankie Boy&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:targetmedia&#64;cox.net" target="_blank">targetmedia&#64;cox.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; My neighbor just got back from his trip to the finals...
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; He told me that the Italian fans were willing to pay $8000 per seat
&gt;&gt; &gt; (ouch!)-and made snotty comments to my neighbor and his group along the
&gt;&gt; &gt; lines of:
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; &quot;You Americans don't even deserve to go&quot;
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Well, one of the Italians asked my neighbor and his group &quot;Do you even
&gt;&gt; know
&gt;&gt; &gt; who is playing?&quot;
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; To which a guy, with a lot of Boston attitude, responded
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; &quot;The Yankees and the Red Sox&quot; :)
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; All heck broke loose, with ultimately the cops having to distance the
&gt;&gt; &gt; two
&gt;&gt; &gt; groups...comments like &quot;this is why everyone hates Americans&quot;...
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; I don't know, but my dad always had a saying that went
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; &quot;You ask a stupid question, you get a stupid action&quot;
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; In otherwords, those guys got the response they deserved!
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; It's not good to generalise, but when you overhear US tourists in Venice
&gt;&gt; saying &quot;Those buildings are too old, they should knock 'em down and build
&gt;&gt; new ones&quot;,
&gt;
&gt; Eerie! In Amsterdam a few years ago, we were talking a boat ride on
&gt; the canals, between
&gt; rows of old buildings. Then we heard the very same thing from an
&gt; American tourist.
&gt;
&gt; &quot;Why don't they knock these ancient buildings down and develop the
&gt; property!&quot;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; - gsn
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; ... or 100's of other stupid phrases, then you are sceptical.
&gt;

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#16: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-19 19:19:06 by rhonaldinko

Your neighbors are racist bullshiters. Stop trying to stir the pot and
create hate between races asshole.


Frankie Boy wrote:
&gt; My neighbor just got back from his trip to the finals...
&gt;
&gt; He told me that the Italian fans were willing to pay $8000 per seat
&gt; (ouch!)-and made snotty comments to my neighbor and his group along the
&gt; lines of:
&gt;
&gt; &quot;You Americans don't even deserve to go&quot;
&gt;
&gt; Well, one of the Italians asked my neighbor and his group &quot;Do you even know
&gt; who is playing?&quot;
&gt;
&gt; To which a guy, with a lot of Boston attitude, responded
&gt;
&gt; &quot;The Yankees and the Red Sox&quot; :)
&gt;
&gt; All heck broke loose, with ultimately the cops having to distance the two
&gt; groups...comments like &quot;this is why everyone hates Americans&quot;...
&gt;
&gt; I don't know, but my dad always had a saying that went
&gt;
&gt; &quot;You ask a stupid question, you get a stupid action&quot;
&gt;
&gt; In otherwords, those guys got the response they deserved!

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#17: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-19 20:39:12 by Materazzidane

Diabolik wrote:
&gt; &quot;Frankie Boy&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:targetmedia&#64;cox.net" target="_blank">targetmedia&#64;cox.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; My neighbor just got back from his trip to the finals...
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; He told me that the Italian fans were willing to pay $8000 per seat
&gt; &gt; (ouch!)-and made snotty comments to my neighbor and his group along the
&gt; &gt; lines of:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &quot;You Americans don't even deserve to go&quot;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Well, one of the Italians asked my neighbor and his group &quot;Do you even
&gt; know
&gt; &gt; who is playing?&quot;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; To which a guy, with a lot of Boston attitude, responded
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &quot;The Yankees and the Red Sox&quot; :)
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; All heck broke loose, with ultimately the cops having to distance the two
&gt; &gt; groups...comments like &quot;this is why everyone hates Americans&quot;...
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I don't know, but my dad always had a saying that went
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &quot;You ask a stupid question, you get a stupid action&quot;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; In otherwords, those guys got the response they deserved!
&gt;
&gt; It's not good to generalise, but when you overhear US tourists in Venice
&gt; saying &quot;Those buildings are too old, they should knock 'em down and build
&gt; new ones&quot;,

Did YOU personally overhear anything like that? I see this kind of
urban legends floating around the web all the time. My favorite one is
how Americans visiting London wonder why the Windsor castle was build
so close to the Heathrow airport. Nothing more than an old joke
(perhaps originally told by Americans themselves), it has become a
rather stupid urban legend. It is amazing how many idiots actually
believe it. No wonder some American tourists intentionally spread this
kind of rumors about themselves to make fun of stupid gullible euros.



&gt;
&gt; ... or 100's of other stupid phrases, then you are sceptical.

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#18: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-19 20:57:13 by Jeff Edwards

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&gt; Did YOU personally overhear anything like that? I see this kind of
&gt; urban legends floating around the web all the time. My favorite one is
&gt; how Americans visiting London wonder why the Windsor castle was build
&gt; so close to the Heathrow airport. Nothing more than an old joke
&gt; (perhaps originally told by Americans themselves), it has become a
&gt; rather stupid urban legend. It is amazing how many idiots actually
&gt; believe it. No wonder some American tourists intentionally spread this
&gt; kind of rumors about themselves to make fun of stupid gullible euros.

Although the stories cited are likely hyperbolic, there is no doubt one
can find the 'ugly American' tourist if looking for it. Once in the
Frankfurt airport I saw a family cutting in on a very long passport line
to get to a flight - every other person in line was also in a rush, but
this did not deter them. The daughter of the family spoke and I
recognized the Chicago accent, then immediately switched to speaking
German to hopefully avoid any connection with my much ruder American
countrymen.

Plus - and perhaps these are not as publicized internationally - many of
our celebrities say things that are just entirely stupid. Shaquille
O'Neal's famous quote when asked if he visited the Parthenon - basically
&quot;I don't know the names of all the clubs we visited.&quot; The insufferably
stupid Tara Reid's travel show was replete with her mixing up history
and culture. If I recall correctly, she placed a potato famine in
Greece. These things do not help our perception worldwide.

-Jeff

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#19: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-19 21:18:29 by Frankie Boy

By the way, my neighbor is full Sicilian/American and I am half Sicilian...

Just relaying the story...reflects what some think about American ignorance
when it comes to the world of futbol.

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&gt; Your neighbors are racist bullshiters. Stop trying to stir the pot and
&gt; create hate between races asshole.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Frankie Boy wrote:
&gt;&gt; My neighbor just got back from his trip to the finals...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; He told me that the Italian fans were willing to pay $8000 per seat
&gt;&gt; (ouch!)-and made snotty comments to my neighbor and his group along the
&gt;&gt; lines of:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &quot;You Americans don't even deserve to go&quot;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Well, one of the Italians asked my neighbor and his group &quot;Do you even
&gt;&gt; know
&gt;&gt; who is playing?&quot;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; To which a guy, with a lot of Boston attitude, responded
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &quot;The Yankees and the Red Sox&quot; :)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; All heck broke loose, with ultimately the cops having to distance the two
&gt;&gt; groups...comments like &quot;this is why everyone hates Americans&quot;...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I don't know, but my dad always had a saying that went
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &quot;You ask a stupid question, you get a stupid action&quot;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; In otherwords, those guys got the response they deserved!
&gt;

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#20: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-19 22:17:19 by markvanderv1

Jeff Edwards wrote:
..
&gt;
&gt; Although the stories cited are likely hyperbolic, there is no doubt one
&gt; can find the 'ugly American' tourist if looking for it. Once in the
&gt; Frankfurt airport I saw a family cutting in on a very long passport line
&gt; to get to a flight - every other person in line was also in a rush, but
&gt; this did not deter them.

Wait a sec. Americans may be best in the world at &quot;Why don't they build
a McDonalds at the top of the Eiffel Tower&quot; comments. They even do it
here. I once ran into a fellow American on the outer beaches of the
beautiful Olympic Peninsula who wondered why &quot;they didn't build a
boardwalk with amusement park rides out here(?)&quot;

But line-cutting? I believe your story, and am not claiming that Yanks
never do it. Based on my experiences, though, Seppos rank pretty low in
the world in the art of queue-crashing. It is hardly something
Americans have a monopoly on.

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#21: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-20 01:16:07 by Materazzidane

Jeff Edwards wrote:
&gt; <a href="mailto:materazzidane&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">materazzidane&#64;gmail.com</a> wrote in
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:1153334352.674362.33180&#64;75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1153334352.674362.33180&#64;75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com</a>:
&gt; &gt; Did YOU personally overhear anything like that? I see this kind of
&gt; &gt; urban legends floating around the web all the time. My favorite one is
&gt; &gt; how Americans visiting London wonder why the Windsor castle was build
&gt; &gt; so close to the Heathrow airport. Nothing more than an old joke
&gt; &gt; (perhaps originally told by Americans themselves), it has become a
&gt; &gt; rather stupid urban legend. It is amazing how many idiots actually
&gt; &gt; believe it. No wonder some American tourists intentionally spread this
&gt; &gt; kind of rumors about themselves to make fun of stupid gullible euros.
&gt;
&gt; Although the stories cited are likely hyperbolic, there is no doubt one
&gt; can find the 'ugly American' tourist if looking for it.
&gt;Once in the
&gt; Frankfurt airport I saw a family cutting in on a very long passport line
&gt; to get to a flight - every other person in line was also in a rush, but
&gt; this did not deter them. The daughter of the family spoke and I
&gt; recognized the Chicago accent, then immediately switched to speaking
&gt; German to hopefully avoid any connection with my much ruder American
&gt; countrymen.

I don't know. In my opinion, Europeans (especially Eastern Europeans!)
are a lot more experienced in the line cutting business. Even New
Yorkers are no match to them ;) I personally had some bad experiences
in NYC (once was nearly ran over by a car at a crosswalk at JFK) but
never in Chicago. I live in Indy so I go to Chicago quite often.

I noticed another thing -- a lot of people seem to be a lot more
critical of their own countrymen. My German friends say the same things
about their fellow German tourists &quot;embarrassing them all over the
world&quot; (sic!).

&gt;
&gt; Plus - and perhaps these are not as publicized internationally - many of
&gt; our celebrities say things that are just entirely stupid.

Well, it is in every celebrity's job description, isn't it. Do you
believe that international celebrities somehow have higher IQ's than
the U.S. ones? Maybe it is a matter of exposure...

The only difference, in my opinion, is that many Americans only speak
one language and therefore may be perceived by Europeans as not
intelligent enough...


&gt; Shaquille
&gt; O'Neal's famous quote when asked if he visited the Parthenon - basically
&gt; &quot;I don't know the names of all the clubs we visited.&quot;

Yes, but did he actually say this? Was that captured on tape? This
funny quote has been floating around more like an anecdote.

&gt;The insufferably
&gt; stupid Tara Reid's travel show was replete with her mixing up history
&gt; and culture. If I recall correctly, she placed a potato famine in
&gt; Greece. These things do not help our perception worldwide.
&gt;
&gt; -Jeff

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#22: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-20 01:55:47 by markvanderv1

&gt; Frankie Boy wrote:
&gt; &gt; My neighbor just got back from his trip to the finals...

rhonaldinko wrote:
&gt; Your neighbors are racist bullshiters.


Given that Frank is American and you are Canadian, I would say that I
agree with you for once. At least *one* of his neighbors is indeed a
racist bullshitter.

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#23: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-20 15:13:18 by rhonaldinko

Mark V. wrote:
&gt; &gt; Frankie Boy wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; My neighbor just got back from his trip to the finals...
&gt;
&gt; rhonaldinko wrote:
&gt; &gt; Your neighbors are racist bullshiters.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Given that Frank is American and you are Canadian, I would say that I
&gt; agree with you for once. At least *one* of his neighbors is indeed a
&gt; racist bullshitter.

Nice try asshole, but we don't boo national anthems, we cheer out of
respect. Racist asshole.

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#24: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-20 15:29:57 by Jeff Edwards

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&gt; I noticed another thing -- a lot of people seem to be a lot more
&gt; critical of their own countrymen. My German friends say the same
&gt; things about their fellow German tourists &quot;embarrassing them all over
&gt; the world&quot; (sic!).

This is probably true. I likely hear the ugly American thing more since
I am American, thus it sticks with me.

&gt;
&gt; Well, it is in every celebrity's job description, isn't it. Do you
&gt; believe that international celebrities somehow have higher IQ's than
&gt; the U.S. ones? Maybe it is a matter of exposure...

Also true. International celebs have limited exposure here unless they
&quot;cross over&quot; and thus we know more about the homegrown morons.

&gt;
&gt; The only difference, in my opinion, is that many Americans only speak
&gt; one language and therefore may be perceived by Europeans as not
&gt; intelligent enough...

Also true. It is only in recent years - probably the past two decades -
that many schools have begun offering richer language programs and some
requiring such. I live in Texas and have always thought it should be
mandatory to take Spanish at an early age. My daughter is in
kindergarten, so imagine my delight that her school is now requiring
just that - she can at least count and pick up a few phrases.

&gt;&gt; Shaquille
&gt;&gt; O'Neal's famous quote when asked if he visited the Parthenon -
&gt;&gt; basically &quot;I don't know the names of all the clubs we visited.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; Yes, but did he actually say this? Was that captured on tape? This
&gt; funny quote has been floating around more like an anecdote.

I would not be able to produce it, but I have indeed heard the audio
clip. Probably the better example of sheer stupidity in sports quotes
is Jason Kidd, but I used Shaq since more people are aware of him.

-Jeff

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#25: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-20 16:06:42 by Victoria Barrett

On 19 Jul 2006 09:12:49 -0700, <a href="mailto:pearlvn&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">pearlvn&#64;aol.com</a> wrote:
&lt;snip&gt;
&gt; Eerie! In Amsterdam a few years ago, we were talking a boat ride on
&gt;the canals, between
&gt;rows of old buildings. Then we heard the very same thing from an
&gt;American tourist.
&gt;
&gt; &quot;Why don't they knock these ancient buildings down and develop the
&gt;property!&quot;

Back in 2002, I posted this about ROME, on an OT travel thread on RSS:

<a href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/msg/af6ef7ce8dad6589?dmode=source" target="_blank"> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/msg/af6ef7ce 8dad6589?dmode=source</a>

Words defy me. It's so soaked in history, you faint (and I very nearly
did in that taxi ride from the airport).

(However, one of the worst &quot;tourist&quot; related things happened to me in
Rome. We were near a bunch of Brazilians in a popular spot
overlooking Rome, with it's gorgeous seven hills, the scene of which
was one of undulating timelessness. It was magical. Suddenly I hear
some old perua say in loud tones in Portuguese, &quot;Oh! All this old
stuff! I wish Oscar Niemeyer would come and bulldoze this into
oblivion&quot;. I cannot convey to you my primordial disgust, but maybe md
can).

To which Brazilian RSS'er Alex Mizuki, replied:

&quot;*WOW* I guess the term &quot;Ugly American&quot; also applies to the Southern
type as well.&quot;

It's a New World thing, I guess.

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#26: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-20 16:47:20 by David from Oz

It is well documented that (North) Amercian's have a lower percentage
of passport holders (current estimates less than 20%) and thus
travellers than those from other nations. One of the reasons American
may not travel outside the U.S. is because of the attitude/reaction
they get from other travellers. I met an American (Eddie) while
travelling in Chile, and he told he that he gets a lot of negative
comments from other travellers, about U.S. foreign and environmental
policy, and the assumption that as an American he must be a supporter
of the George Bush/Republican policy.

Eddie explained that it was mainly Canadians and Europeans making
criticisms of the U.S. but in fact the biggest critics of Bush/U.S.
policy were Americans such as himself, and that over 50 percent of
Americans are not supporters of Bush.

Examples of negative comments Eddie gave were
- people mentioning the Kyoto protocol, and that the U.S. has not
signed up (making no mention of Australia not signing up)
- people criticising the US over the the Iraq war (again not mentioning
the UK Australian and other support for this)
- people saying &quot;you're the token American&quot; when he was on a
tour.

I must admit, I have been surprised at the amount of U.S. critical
comments I have heard on my world tour. Teachers at a language school I
attended made anti-U.S. jokes (unprofessional in my opinion).

I am not surprised many Americans don't travel outside the U.S., or
pretend to be Canadian when they travel abroad if this is the reaction
they get!

My advice to to travellers is;
1. Don't be hard on American travellers.
2. Don't assume all U.S. citizens are Bush supporters and support
American foreign/environmental policy.
3. Basically, give people a chance

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#27: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-20 17:53:35 by Rolleston

&quot;David from Oz&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:davidcookoz&#64;yahoo.com.au" target="_blank">davidcookoz&#64;yahoo.com.au</a>&gt; writes:
&gt; My advice to to travellers is;
&gt; 1. Don't be hard on American travellers.
&gt; 2. Don't assume all U.S. citizens are Bush supporters and support
&gt; American foreign/environmental policy.
&gt; 3. Basically, give people a chance

A common argument is that one should, if so inclined, take to task the
administration and not the population. This ignores the fact that in a
great democracy like the US, it is the great mass of all citizens that
is ultimately responsible for government policy.

Having said that, we should not presume that every citizen agrees with
every government policy. And I have to say that, generally speaking, I
find American tourists to be very polite, generous and nice people.

R.

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#28: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-20 20:15:41 by markvanderv1

rhonaldinko wrote:
&gt; Mark V. wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; Frankie Boy wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; My neighbor just got back from his trip to the finals...
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; rhonaldinko wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; Your neighbors are racist bullshiters.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Given that Frank is American and you are Canadian, I would say that I
&gt; &gt; agree with you for once. At least *one* of his neighbors is indeed a
&gt; &gt; racist bullshitter.
&gt;
&gt; Nice try asshole, but we don't boo national anthems, we cheer out of
&gt; respect. Racist asshole.

Leave the fine Canadian people out of it. There is no &quot;we&quot; about it.
I'm talking about *you*! Your posting history exposes you for what you
are.

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#29: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-21 04:56:51 by Jason Maxwell

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&gt; I once ran into a fellow American on the outer beaches of the
&gt; beautiful Olympic Peninsula who wondered why &quot;they didn't build a
&gt; boardwalk with amusement park rides out here(?)&quot;
&gt;
*sigh* Californians *shakes head*

Jason

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#30: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-21 04:58:50 by Jason Maxwell

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&gt; Having said that, we should not presume that every citizen agrees with
&gt; every government policy.
&gt;
One of my favorite bumper stickers I saw recently:

&quot;49% of the American people agree with 99% of the rest of the world&quot;

Jason

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Posted on 2006-07-21 05:00:14 by Jason Maxwell

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&gt; It is well documented that (North) Amercian's have a lower percentage
&gt; of passport holders (current estimates less than 20%) and thus
&gt; travellers than those from other nations. One of the reasons American
&gt; may not travel outside the U.S. is because of the attitude/reaction
&gt; they get from other travellers.
&gt;
I think it's mainly because there's so much to do in the U.S. Hell, I've
been visiting National Parks in the West for as long as I can remember (I'm
31) and I still have a number I haven't gotten to just in the ones west of
the Rockies, the biggest being Yosemite.

Jason

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Posted on 2006-07-21 05:35:36 by Victoria Barrett

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:58:50 -0700, &quot;Jason Maxwell&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:jasonrmax&#64;cox.net" target="_blank">jasonrmax&#64;cox.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&quot;49% of the American people agree with 99% of the rest of the world&quot;

&quot;Keep honking. I'm reloading.&quot;

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Posted on 2006-07-21 12:32:54 by Rolleston

&quot;Jason Maxwell&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jasonrmax&#64;cox.net" target="_blank">jasonrmax&#64;cox.net</a>&gt; writes:
&gt; &quot;Rolleston&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Nemo&#64;nullsome.net" target="_blank">Nemo&#64;nullsome.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt; Having said that, we should not presume that every citizen agrees with
&gt;&gt; every government policy.
&gt;&gt;
&gt; One of my favorite bumper stickers I saw recently:
&gt;
&gt; &quot;49% of the American people agree with 99% of the rest of the world&quot;

I like that.

Strictly speaking, that should be 49% of the people who voted plus some
other to-be-determined number of people, if it's a figure derived from
election results.

R.

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#34: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-21 16:21:18 by Frankie Boy

nahhh, they must have been from New Yawk or New Joisey :)

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&gt;&gt; I once ran into a fellow American on the outer beaches of the
&gt;&gt; beautiful Olympic Peninsula who wondered why &quot;they didn't build a
&gt;&gt; boardwalk with amusement park rides out here(?)&quot;
&gt;&gt;
&gt; *sigh* Californians *shakes head*
&gt;
&gt; Jason
&gt;
&gt;

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Posted on 2006-07-21 16:29:27 by Jason Maxwell

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&gt; nahhh, they must have been from New Yawk or New Joisey :)
&gt;
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&gt; &gt;&gt; I once ran into a fellow American on the outer beaches of the
&gt; &gt;&gt; beautiful Olympic Peninsula who wondered why &quot;they didn't build a
&gt; &gt;&gt; boardwalk with amusement park rides out here(?)&quot;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; *sigh* Californians *shakes head*
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Jason
&gt; &gt;
Doesn't matter, anything like that said in Washington was obviously said by
a Californian ;)

Jason

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#36: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-21 17:04:09 by markvanderv1

Jason Maxwell wrote:
&gt; &quot;Mark V.&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:markvanderv1&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">markvanderv1&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &gt; I once ran into a fellow American on the outer beaches of the
&gt; &gt; beautiful Olympic Peninsula who wondered why &quot;they didn't build a
&gt; &gt; boardwalk with amusement park rides out here(?)&quot;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; *sigh* Californians *shakes head*
&gt;
&gt; Jason

Or Eastern Washingtonians!

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#37: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-21 17:06:46 by markvanderv1

Jason Maxwell wrote:

&gt; &gt;
&gt; I think it's mainly because there's so much to do in the U.S. Hell, I've
&gt; been visiting National Parks in the West for as long as I can remember (I'm
&gt; 31) and I still have a number I haven't gotten to just in the ones west of
&gt; the Rockies, the biggest being Yosemite.
&gt;

&quot;He just smiled and gave me a Yosemite sandwich.&quot;

Gotta get there! I once took a roadtrip thru the west in which we hit
at least 10 NPs. I'm not into the favorites game, but Yosemite is truly
a special park. Try to avoid it on summer weekends, though!

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#38: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-22 02:30:29 by schwank

&quot;David from Oz&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:davidcookoz&#64;yahoo.com.au" target="_blank">davidcookoz&#64;yahoo.com.au</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;It is well documented that (North) Amercian's have a lower percentage
&gt;of passport holders (current estimates less than 20%) and thus
&gt;travellers than those from other nations. One of the reasons American
&gt;may not travel outside the U.S. is because of the attitude/reaction
&gt;they get from other travellers.

To be fair, one should also mention that travelling from USA to
anywhere of interest (Canada and Mexico have much to offer, just not
anything substantial to Americans) is much more expensive, lengthy and
difficult, than is for Europeans. So Americans naturally don't get
much of an opportunity of being exposed to different cultures.

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#39: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-22 05:37:02 by Frankie Boy

You mean the beaches of Cancun, Puerto Vallarta, and Cabo San Lucas don't
draw Americans???

Of course, you can make the case that Cancun and Cabo are not part of
Mexico, as the only people speaking Spanish there work there :)-there's some
truth to that. Not as much so in Puerto Vallarta.

Reminds me of the old joke:

What's the difference between Cancun and Miami?

They speak English in Cancun...

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&gt; &quot;David from Oz&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:davidcookoz&#64;yahoo.com.au" target="_blank">davidcookoz&#64;yahoo.com.au</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;It is well documented that (North) Amercian's have a lower percentage
&gt;&gt;of passport holders (current estimates less than 20%) and thus
&gt;&gt;travellers than those from other nations. One of the reasons American
&gt;&gt;may not travel outside the U.S. is because of the attitude/reaction
&gt;&gt;they get from other travellers.
&gt;
&gt; To be fair, one should also mention that travelling from USA to
&gt; anywhere of interest (Canada and Mexico have much to offer, just not
&gt; anything substantial to Americans) is much more expensive, lengthy and
&gt; difficult, than is for Europeans. So Americans naturally don't get
&gt; much of an opportunity of being exposed to different cultures.
&gt;

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#40: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-22 06:56:21 by Fabiorossi5

Were the Italian fans northern or southern Italians? If they were
Northern Italians they generally do not like Italian Americans. Most
northerners assume Italian-Americans are from the south and they hate
Sicilians or anyone from Rome or further south. In the notherners
view, no Italian in the north would have emigrated to the USA as
northern Italy is a paradise. Been there seen that.

More than a few articles mentioned how the WC Azurri brought Italians
closer together....at least for a few days It is common for Italains
to ask each other where they come from when meeting. It is the first
thing they ask and there is a lot of prejuduce.


Frankie Boy wrote:
&gt; By the way, my neighbor is full Sicilian/American and I am half Sicilian...
&gt;
&gt; Just relaying the story...reflects what some think about American ignorance
&gt; when it comes to the world of futbol.
&gt;
&gt; &quot;rhonaldinko&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rhonaldinko&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">rhonaldinko&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &gt; Your neighbors are racist bullshiters. Stop trying to stir the pot and
&gt; &gt; create hate between races asshole.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Frankie Boy wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; My neighbor just got back from his trip to the finals...
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; He told me that the Italian fans were willing to pay $8000 per seat
&gt; &gt;&gt; (ouch!)-and made snotty comments to my neighbor and his group along the
&gt; &gt;&gt; lines of:
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;You Americans don't even deserve to go&quot;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Well, one of the Italians asked my neighbor and his group &quot;Do you even
&gt; &gt;&gt; know
&gt; &gt;&gt; who is playing?&quot;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; To which a guy, with a lot of Boston attitude, responded
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;The Yankees and the Red Sox&quot; :)
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; All heck broke loose, with ultimately the cops having to distance the two
&gt; &gt;&gt; groups...comments like &quot;this is why everyone hates Americans&quot;...
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; I don't know, but my dad always had a saying that went
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;You ask a stupid question, you get a stupid action&quot;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; In otherwords, those guys got the response they deserved!

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#41: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-22 08:55:09 by Blair J Kavanagh

Mark V. wrote:
&gt; &gt; Although the stories cited are likely hyperbolic, there is no doubt one
&gt; &gt; can find the 'ugly American' tourist if looking for it. Once in the
&gt; &gt; Frankfurt airport I saw a family cutting in on a very long passport line
&gt; &gt; to get to a flight - every other person in line was also in a rush, but
&gt; &gt; this did not deter them.

Ok Mark, what about the drunken pack of Aussies who formed an almighty
rugby scrum and tried to knock over one of the stones at Stonehenge?

Notice they put a fence around it nowaday's? I wonder why?!

Blair ;-)

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#42: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-22 11:45:16 by Frankie Boy

I knew someone who I went to college (northern Italian) with here in LA
who's dad ran the dining room at a famous celebrity hangout who originally
vetoed his son's marriage to an otherwise terrific lady because her family
was originally southern Italians...

There's some truth to your statement-but in this case, my neighbor (and his
party) were part of a corporate junket with a major WC sponsor.

I always had the feeling that southern Italians in general, and Sicilians in
particular, were considered by northeners to be one step short of being an
Arab.....

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&gt; Were the Italian fans northern or southern Italians? If they were
&gt; Northern Italians they generally do not like Italian Americans. Most
&gt; northerners assume Italian-Americans are from the south and they hate
&gt; Sicilians or anyone from Rome or further south. In the notherners
&gt; view, no Italian in the north would have emigrated to the USA as
&gt; northern Italy is a paradise. Been there seen that.
&gt;
&gt; More than a few articles mentioned how the WC Azurri brought Italians
&gt; closer together....at least for a few days It is common for Italains
&gt; to ask each other where they come from when meeting. It is the first
&gt; thing they ask and there is a lot of prejuduce.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Frankie Boy wrote:
&gt;&gt; By the way, my neighbor is full Sicilian/American and I am half
&gt;&gt; Sicilian...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Just relaying the story...reflects what some think about American
&gt;&gt; ignorance
&gt;&gt; when it comes to the world of futbol.
&gt;&gt;
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&gt;&gt; &gt; Your neighbors are racist bullshiters. Stop trying to stir the pot and
&gt;&gt; &gt; create hate between races asshole.
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Frankie Boy wrote:
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; My neighbor just got back from his trip to the finals...
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; He told me that the Italian fans were willing to pay $8000 per seat
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; (ouch!)-and made snotty comments to my neighbor and his group along
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; the
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; lines of:
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;You Americans don't even deserve to go&quot;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Well, one of the Italians asked my neighbor and his group &quot;Do you even
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; know
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; who is playing?&quot;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; To which a guy, with a lot of Boston attitude, responded
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;The Yankees and the Red Sox&quot; :)
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; All heck broke loose, with ultimately the cops having to distance the
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; two
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; groups...comments like &quot;this is why everyone hates Americans&quot;...
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I don't know, but my dad always had a saying that went
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;You ask a stupid question, you get a stupid action&quot;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; In otherwords, those guys got the response they deserved!
&gt;

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#43: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-22 17:33:46 by markvanderv1

Blair Kavanagh wrote:
&gt; Mark V. wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; Although the stories cited are likely hyperbolic, there is no doubt one
&gt; &gt; &gt; can find the 'ugly American' tourist if looking for it. Once in the
&gt; &gt; &gt; Frankfurt airport I saw a family cutting in on a very long passport line
&gt; &gt; &gt; to get to a flight - every other person in line was also in a rush, but
&gt; &gt; &gt; this did not deter them.
&gt;
&gt; Ok Mark, what about the drunken pack of Aussies who formed an almighty
&gt; rugby scrum and tried to knock over one of the stones at Stonehenge?
&gt;
&gt; Notice they put a fence around it nowaday's? I wonder why?!
&gt;
&gt; Blair ;-)

Blair,

That wasn't my post! I tend to think that Americans are generally very
respectful queuers.

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#44: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-23 04:36:04 by Jason Maxwell

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&gt;
&gt; Jason Maxwell wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I think it's mainly because there's so much to do in the U.S. Hell,
I've
&gt; &gt; been visiting National Parks in the West for as long as I can remember
(I'm
&gt; &gt; 31) and I still have a number I haven't gotten to just in the ones west
of
&gt; &gt; the Rockies, the biggest being Yosemite.
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; &quot;He just smiled and gave me a Yosemite sandwich.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; Gotta get there! I once took a roadtrip thru the west in which we hit
&gt; at least 10 NPs. I'm not into the favorites game, but Yosemite is truly
&gt; a special park. Try to avoid it on summer weekends, though!
&gt;
My current top 2 are Glacier and Zion. Yosemite has been just far enough
away from my two places of residences (It's really not on the way to
anywhere) that I haven't gotten to it. I had reservations at the park hotel
in Aug of 2003, but I got laid off in July of that year and had to cancel
them.

Jason

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#45: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-23 07:02:36 by Fabiorossi5

Well this is somewhat true in Germany as well. The northern Germans
(mostly Protestant) think the Bavarians in the south (mostly Catholic)
are hillbillies. One article I read had some snotty crap about Germans
in the south actually attending church regularly - like it was a bad
thing. The made them out to be fundamentalist religious zealots.

The big joke is the Bavarians have better weather and the Alps are
right there. Munich is far more appealing than Hamburg.

Yeah Italians always ask each other &quot;where are you from&quot; and many do
not like each other for that reason. It does not have to be south or
north. The Italians joke about some German tourists being arrogant,
pushy &amp; pompous but the northern Italians sometimes can make Germans
look charming.


Frankie Boy wrote:
&gt; I knew someone who I went to college (northern Italian) with here in LA
&gt; who's dad ran the dining room at a famous celebrity hangout who originally
&gt; vetoed his son's marriage to an otherwise terrific lady because her family
&gt; was originally southern Italians...
&gt;
&gt; There's some truth to your statement-but in this case, my neighbor (and his
&gt; party) were part of a corporate junket with a major WC sponsor.
&gt;
&gt; I always had the feeling that southern Italians in general, and Sicilians in
&gt; particular, were considered by northeners to be one step short of being an
&gt; Arab.....
&gt;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:Fabiorossi5&#64;yahoo.ca" target="_blank">Fabiorossi5&#64;yahoo.ca</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &gt; Were the Italian fans northern or southern Italians? If they were
&gt; &gt; Northern Italians they generally do not like Italian Americans. Most
&gt; &gt; northerners assume Italian-Americans are from the south and they hate
&gt; &gt; Sicilians or anyone from Rome or further south. In the notherners
&gt; &gt; view, no Italian in the north would have emigrated to the USA as
&gt; &gt; northern Italy is a paradise. Been there seen that.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; More than a few articles mentioned how the WC Azurri brought Italians
&gt; &gt; closer together....at least for a few days It is common for Italains
&gt; &gt; to ask each other where they come from when meeting. It is the first
&gt; &gt; thing they ask and there is a lot of prejuduce.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Frankie Boy wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; By the way, my neighbor is full Sicilian/American and I am half
&gt; &gt;&gt; Sicilian...
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Just relaying the story...reflects what some think about American
&gt; &gt;&gt; ignorance
&gt; &gt;&gt; when it comes to the world of futbol.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;rhonaldinko&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rhonaldinko&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">rhonaldinko&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; &gt;&gt; news:<a href="mailto:1153329546.528204.289070&#64;s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1153329546.528204.289070&#64;s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...</a>
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Your neighbors are racist bullshiters. Stop trying to stir the pot and
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; create hate between races asshole.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Frankie Boy wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; My neighbor just got back from his trip to the finals...
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; He told me that the Italian fans were willing to pay $8000 per seat
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; (ouch!)-and made snotty comments to my neighbor and his group along
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; the
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; lines of:
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;You Americans don't even deserve to go&quot;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Well, one of the Italians asked my neighbor and his group &quot;Do you even
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; know
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; who is playing?&quot;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; To which a guy, with a lot of Boston attitude, responded
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;The Yankees and the Red Sox&quot; :)
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; All heck broke loose, with ultimately the cops having to distance the
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; two
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; groups...comments like &quot;this is why everyone hates Americans&quot;...
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I don't know, but my dad always had a saying that went
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;You ask a stupid question, you get a stupid action&quot;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; In otherwords, those guys got the response they deserved!
&gt; &gt;

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#46: Re: My neighbor's trip to the World Cup Finals

Posted on 2006-07-24 02:41:55 by Diabolik

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&gt; Were the Italian fans northern or southern Italians? If they were
&gt; Northern Italians they generally do not like Italian Americans. Most
&gt; northerners assume Italian-Americans are from the south and they hate
&gt; Sicilians or anyone from Rome or further south.

Hate??? Where do you get this rubbish from???


&gt; In the notherners
&gt; view, no Italian in the north would have emigrated to the USA as
&gt; northern Italy is a paradise. Been there seen that.

Northern Italy wasn't a paradise after WW2, it was devasted like the rest of
Italy.

Many Northern Italians migrated, almost as much as Southern Italians, for
economical reasons and because of the instability of North-East Italy.


&gt; More than a few articles mentioned how the WC Azurri brought Italians
&gt; closer together....at least for a few days It is common for Italains
&gt; to ask each other where they come

Are you Italian? Do you ask where other Italians come from?
You would know anyway because of their accent.

Maybe you're not Italian, or you would know this.


&gt; from when meeting. It is the first
&gt; thing they ask and there is a lot of prejuduce.

It's like every where else, prejuduce only amongst the ignorant.



&gt;
&gt; Frankie Boy wrote:
&gt; &gt; By the way, my neighbor is full Sicilian/American and I am half
Sicilian...
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Just relaying the story...reflects what some think about American
ignorance
&gt; &gt; when it comes to the world of futbol.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &quot;rhonaldinko&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rhonaldinko&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">rhonaldinko&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &gt; &gt; Your neighbors are racist bullshiters. Stop trying to stir the pot and
&gt; &gt; &gt; create hate between races asshole.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Frankie Boy wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My neighbor just got back from his trip to the finals...
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; He told me that the Italian fans were willing to pay $8000 per seat
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (ouch!)-and made snotty comments to my neighbor and his group along
the
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; lines of:
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;You Americans don't even deserve to go&quot;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Well, one of the Italians asked my neighbor and his group &quot;Do you
even
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; know
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; who is playing?&quot;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; To which a guy, with a lot of Boston attitude, responded
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;The Yankees and the Red Sox&quot; :)
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; All heck broke loose, with ultimately the cops having to distance the
two
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; groups...comments like &quot;this is why everyone hates Americans&quot;...
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; I don't know, but my dad always had a saying that went
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;You ask a stupid question, you get a stupid action&quot;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; In otherwords, those guys got the response they deserved!
&gt;

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