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#1: what would happen if a wrestler wouldnt let his opponent kick out?

Posted on 2006-07-15 12:19:54 by rjs2085

what would you think would happen if a wrestler like orton or something
like that was wrestling hhh and hhh was supposed to kick out but orton
kept his leg locked hard and wouldnt let him? would the ref continue to
count even though it wasnt supposed to be the end of the match? could a
wrestler be fired for this?

robby

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#2: Re: what would happen if a wrestler wouldnt let his opponent kick out?

Posted on 2006-07-16 04:09:07 by unknown

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#3: Re: what would happen if a wrestler wouldnt let his opponent kick out?

Posted on 2006-07-16 04:50:02 by Bob Terwilliger

robby wrote:

> what would you think would happen if a wrestler like orton or something
> like that was wrestling hhh and hhh was supposed to kick out but orton
> kept his leg locked hard and wouldnt let him? would the ref continue to
> count even though it wasnt supposed to be the end of the match? could a
> wrestler be fired for this?

No, the ref wouldn't continue the count. In case you never noticed, there
are many times when a pinned wrestler kicks, his shoulders remain firmly
glued to the mat, but the ref stops counting under the fiction that the
wrestler "kicked out."

In the course of a day, how many times do you find yourself saying, "I don't
get it"?

More than twenty, I bet.

Bob

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#4: Re: what would happen if a wrestler wouldnt let his opponent kick out?

Posted on 2006-07-16 05:43:02 by Bob Terwilliger

Chad wrote:

> Traditionally, if a referee sees shoulders down for his count of three,
> he is supposed to count the pinfall. In fact, quite often a referee
> wouldn't even be told the planned finish, unless it required him to bump,
> which until recently was rare. This is why (especially in the territorial
> days) you had many stories of "enforcers" (such as Harley Race) being
> sent on tours simply to ensure that the champion came home with the
> title. If someone tries a shoot pin, the referee really has no choice but
> to count it, lest he "expose" the work.

Are you honestly claiming that when Dusty Rhodes kicked, his shoulders left
the mat?

Bob

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#5: Re: what would happen if a wrestler wouldnt let his opponent kick out?

Posted on 2006-07-16 09:27:40 by rjs2085

Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> robby wrote:
>
> > what would you think would happen if a wrestler like orton or something
> > like that was wrestling hhh and hhh was supposed to kick out but orton
> > kept his leg locked hard and wouldnt let him? would the ref continue to
> > count even though it wasnt supposed to be the end of the match? could a
> > wrestler be fired for this?
>
> No, the ref wouldn't continue the count. In case you never noticed, there
> are many times when a pinned wrestler kicks, his shoulders remain firmly
> glued to the mat, but the ref stops counting under the fiction that the
> wrestler "kicked out."
>
> In the course of a day, how many times do you find yourself saying, "I don't
> get it"?
>
> More than twenty, I bet.
>
> Bob

i've never seen that happen, i thought his shoulders always got off the
mat.

robby

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#6: Re: what would happen if a wrestler wouldnt let his opponent kick out?

Posted on 2006-07-16 09:28:52 by rjs2085

Chad Bryant wrote:
> "Bob Terwilliger" wrote:
>
> >> what would you think would happen if a wrestler like orton or
> >> something like that was wrestling hhh and hhh was supposed to kick
> >> out but orton kept his leg locked hard and wouldnt let him? would the
> >> ref continue to count even though it wasnt supposed to be the end of
> >> the match? could a wrestler be fired for this?
> >
> > No, the ref wouldn't continue the count.
>
> Traditionally, if a referee sees shoulders down for his count of three,
> he is supposed to count the pinfall. In fact, quite often a referee
> wouldn't even be told the planned finish, unless it required him to bump,
> which until recently was rare. This is why (especially in the territorial
> days) you had many stories of "enforcers" (such as Harley Race) being
> sent on tours simply to ensure that the champion came home with the
> title. If someone tries a shoot pin, the referee really has no choice but
> to count it, lest he "expose" the work.
>
> Most reports are that Wendi Richter lost the WWF Womens Championship to a
> masked Fabulous Moolah at MSG because Moolah (as ordered by Vince
> McMahon) hooked her into a pin that she couldn't get out of, and the
> referee counted the pin.
>
> When I refereed, there were at least a few occasions where I was forced
> to count a pin that wasn't supposed to happen, because the wrestler being
> pinned didn't realize that he needed to kick out before my three-count.
>
>
you have been a ref? for what federation? i didnt know refs were not
told the outcomes of the matches.\

robby

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#7: Re: what would happen if a wrestler wouldnt let his opponent kick out?

Posted on 2006-07-16 09:31:03 by rjs2085

Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> Chad wrote:
>
> > Traditionally, if a referee sees shoulders down for his count of three,
> > he is supposed to count the pinfall. In fact, quite often a referee
> > wouldn't even be told the planned finish, unless it required him to bump,
> > which until recently was rare. This is why (especially in the territorial
> > days) you had many stories of "enforcers" (such as Harley Race) being
> > sent on tours simply to ensure that the champion came home with the
> > title. If someone tries a shoot pin, the referee really has no choice but
> > to count it, lest he "expose" the work.
>
> Are you honestly claiming that when Dusty Rhodes kicked, his shoulders left
> the mat?
>
> Bob

dusty rhodes faced harley race before?

robby

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#8: Re: what would happen if a wrestler wouldnt let his opponent kick out?

Posted on 2006-07-16 12:15:19 by Seeker

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&gt; what would you think would happen if a wrestler like orton or
&gt; something like that was wrestling hhh and hhh was supposed to
&gt; kick out but orton kept his leg locked hard and wouldnt let him?

Have you ever tried pinning someone? It's very easy to get out of a
pin, except if the other wrestler is literally sitting on you or
you're drunk and don't know what you're doing. &quot;Getting out of a
pin&quot; here doesn't mean kicking someone to the other end of the ring,
just lifting a shoulder off the mat.

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#9: Re: what would happen if a wrestler wouldnt let his opponent kickout?

Posted on 2006-07-17 03:20:46 by Angulimala

Chad Bryant wrote:
&gt; &quot;Bob Terwilliger&quot; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; what would you think would happen if a wrestler like orton or
&gt;&gt;&gt; something like that was wrestling hhh and hhh was supposed to kick
&gt;&gt;&gt; out but orton kept his leg locked hard and wouldnt let him? would the
&gt;&gt;&gt; ref continue to count even though it wasnt supposed to be the end of
&gt;&gt;&gt; the match? could a wrestler be fired for this?
&gt;&gt; No, the ref wouldn't continue the count.
&gt;
&gt; Traditionally, if a referee sees shoulders down for his count of three,
&gt; he is supposed to count the pinfall. In fact, quite often a referee
&gt; wouldn't even be told the planned finish, unless it required him to bump,
&gt; which until recently was rare. This is why (especially in the territorial
&gt; days) you had many stories of &quot;enforcers&quot; (such as Harley Race) being
&gt; sent on tours simply to ensure that the champion came home with the
&gt; title. If someone tries a shoot pin, the referee really has no choice but
&gt; to count it, lest he &quot;expose&quot; the work.
&gt;
&gt; Most reports are that Wendi Richter lost the WWF Womens Championship to a
&gt; masked Fabulous Moolah at MSG because Moolah (as ordered by Vince
&gt; McMahon) hooked her into a pin that she couldn't get out of, and the
&gt; referee counted the pin.
&gt;
&gt; When I refereed, there were at least a few occasions where I was forced
&gt; to count a pin that wasn't supposed to happen, because the wrestler being
&gt; pinned didn't realize that he needed to kick out before my three-count.
&gt;

I have always wondered about that actually, because there have been
times that the wrestler kicking out didn't seem to do it in time at all.
Or, it looks like the ref ignores his first count (perhaps making it
hard to tell the difference between a count and him simply supporting
his fall to the mat to start the count) and the 4th count is treated as
the 3rd, supported by the commentary of the play-by-play, of course.

I'd never heard of the Richter/Moolah thing, but from what you've said,
Chad, it makes more sense why they used to have the &quot;enforcer&quot;-type
wrestlers on road tours, as I'm familiar with that. I just never really
thought that was one major reason for their presence.

Do they have contingencies of how to deal with such things? I doubt they
occur that often, but one loss of focus by a wrestler, only for a
moment, and plans for coming weeks or months could be ruined. It gives
one more respect for the abilities of wrestlers in the ring,
demonstrating that just phoning in a match may have unexpected results.

Thanks for the insights, Chad.

=Angulimala=

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