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#1: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-14 20:15:48 by Scott

... is like when some loud mouth drunk is talking shit to you the whole
night... then slapps you twice and knocks your drink on your girls lap.
So then you unleash holy hell on the twat and bloddy him up a bit.

Everyone knows the dude had it coming and only a pussy Frenchman would
seriously bitch about how BAD you beat the kid up.

C'mon "American Allies": Radical Islam was/is/and always will be
"asking for it"

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#2: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-14 20:55:08 by grativo

> C'mon "American Allies": Radical Islam was/is/and always will be
> "asking for it"

Seriously, what do our "allies" expect Israel to do, when the stated
goal of Islamofacists there is to wipe out the Jewish state? Commit
mass suicede?

Grativo

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#3: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-14 21:35:41 by CHF

&quot;Ahmed Johnson's Beer Belly v2.0&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:scott&#64;1225water.com" target="_blank">scott&#64;1225water.com</a>&gt; wrote in
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&gt; .. is like when some loud mouth drunk is talking shit to you the whole
&gt; night... then slapps you twice and knocks your drink on your girls lap.
&gt; So then you unleash holy hell on the twat and bloddy him up a bit.
&gt;
&gt; Everyone knows the dude had it coming and only a pussy Frenchman would
&gt; seriously bitch about how BAD you beat the kid up.
&gt;
&gt; C'mon &quot;American Allies&quot;: Radical Islam was/is/and always will be
&gt; &quot;asking for it&quot;

The French are more civilized than any other culture in the world,
actually.

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#4: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-14 21:35:49 by CHF

&quot;grativo&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:grativo&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">grativo&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote in news:1152903308.311006.86750
@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

&gt;&gt; C'mon &quot;American Allies&quot;: Radical Islam was/is/and always will be
&gt;&gt; &quot;asking for it&quot;
&gt;
&gt; Seriously, what do our &quot;allies&quot; expect Israel to do, when the stated
&gt; goal of Islamofacists there is to wipe out the Jewish state? Commit
&gt; mass suicede?
&gt;
&gt; Grativo

The whole reason for the protracted conflict is that neither side has the
guts to commit to what needs to be done even though the writing's on the
wall. Pitiful suicide bombings and kidnappings, or &quot;ferocious&quot; responses
leaving infrastructure and civilization intact are not going to do it.

This is why the mass media should be abolished. It doesn't allow for the
necessary resolution of war since no side wants to have to bear the
world's scorn. These days entire nations get outraged to hear of one rape
or the death of 1,000 people. Back in the day, you could subjugate or
eliminate entire populations without much controversy. Everyone was in
the glorious dark.

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#5: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-14 21:58:30 by grativo

&gt; The whole reason for the protracted conflict is that neither side has the
&gt; guts to commit to what needs to be done even though the writing's on the
&gt; wall. Pitiful suicide bombings and kidnappings, or &quot;ferocious&quot; responses
&gt; leaving infrastructure and civilization intact are not going to do it.

I think Israelies have shown more guts, because they're saying they're
not opposed to living beside some kind of a palestinian state. It's
the Hezbollah idiots who're saying that the only way they'll make peace
is if all Jews are killed or gets out of middle east. The president of
Iran just made a speech saying that all the Arabic countries should
unite and &quot;wipe Israel off the map&quot;.

Grativo

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#6: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-14 22:25:44 by Tim McGaughy

grativo wrote:
&gt;&gt;The whole reason for the protracted conflict is that neither side has the
&gt;&gt;guts to commit to what needs to be done even though the writing's on the
&gt;&gt;wall. Pitiful suicide bombings and kidnappings, or &quot;ferocious&quot; responses
&gt;&gt;leaving infrastructure and civilization intact are not going to do it.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I think Israelies have shown more guts, because they're saying they're
&gt; not opposed to living beside some kind of a palestinian state. It's
&gt; the Hezbollah idiots who're saying that the only way they'll make peace
&gt; is if all Jews are killed or gets out of middle east. The president of
&gt; Iran just made a speech saying that all the Arabic countries should
&gt; unite and &quot;wipe Israel off the map&quot;.

If they keep acting like petulant children, that's exactly what should
happen.

Hezbollah is a threat that needs to be eliminated, due to the terror
tactics they employ. Israel uses most of the same tactics.

Follow the logic.

The U.S. needs to stop sending aid money. When Israel is forced to make
a choice between buying bread and buying bullets, they'll start working
much harder to achieve peace.

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#7: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-14 22:26:08 by CHF

&quot;grativo&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:grativo&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">grativo&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote in
news:<a href="mailto:1152907110.161415.3360&#64;p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1152907110.161415.3360&#64;p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com</a>:

&gt;&gt; The whole reason for the protracted conflict is that neither side has
&gt;&gt; the guts to commit to what needs to be done even though the writing's
&gt;&gt; on the wall. Pitiful suicide bombings and kidnappings, or &quot;ferocious&quot;
&gt;&gt; responses leaving infrastructure and civilization intact are not
&gt;&gt; going to do it.
&gt;
&gt; I think Israelies have shown more guts, because they're saying they're
&gt; not opposed to living beside some kind of a palestinian state. It's
&gt; the Hezbollah idiots who're saying that the only way they'll make
&gt; peace is if all Jews are killed or gets out of middle east. The
&gt; president of Iran just made a speech saying that all the Arabic
&gt; countries should unite and &quot;wipe Israel off the map&quot;.

You don't offer a truce with cancer. A prissy live-and-let-live, &quot;let's
be neighbors&quot; response is not going to cut it. It doesn't take guts to
succumb to peer pressure. The only reason that's even on the table is
because Israel doesn't want to come off as the bad guys. If it were just
them, and the Arabs, with nobody else watching, what do you think would
happen?

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#8: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-14 22:27:34 by spam

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:35:49 +0000 (UTC), &quot;Christy Hemme's Forehead&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:CHF&#64;barrenwasteland.t.na" target="_blank">CHF&#64;barrenwasteland.t.na</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;This is why the mass media should be abolished.

I'll drink to that.


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#9: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-14 22:28:35 by spam

On 14 Jul 2006 12:58:30 -0700, &quot;grativo&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:grativo&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">grativo&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;The president of
&gt;Iran just made a speech saying that all the Arabic countries should
&gt;unite and &quot;wipe Israel off the map&quot;.

Why is he still breathing?

Where's the Mossad when you need them most?


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#10: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-14 22:35:14 by unknown

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#11: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-14 22:35:53 by Atlas Bugged

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&gt; I think Israelies have shown more guts, because they're saying they're
&gt; not opposed to living beside some kind of a palestinian state. It's
&gt; the Hezbollah idiots who're saying that the only way they'll make peace
&gt; is if all Jews are killed or gets out of middle east. The president of
&gt; Iran just made a speech saying that all the Arabic countries should
&gt; unite and &quot;wipe Israel off the map&quot;.

It's a virtual suicide attempt based upon the balances of power. USA and
Israel have declined to assist in the suicide so far.

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#12: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-14 23:56:44 by CHF

Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; wrote in
news:<a href="mailto:e98ukc02076&#64;enews1.newsguy.com" target="_blank">e98ukc02076&#64;enews1.newsguy.com</a>:

&gt; The U.S. needs to stop sending aid money. When Israel is forced to
&gt; make a choice between buying bread and buying bullets, they'll start
&gt; working much harder to achieve peace.

Israel only bothers to buy bullets because they are too nice to use their
nukes. Though, cutting off aid might be a good idea since it would force
the situation. Nukes don't keep forever and are expensive to maintain.
Better to use it than to lose it.

Good plan, Tim.

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#13: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-15 00:33:59 by Asleep

Christy Hemme's Forehead wrote:
&gt;
&gt; You don't offer a truce with cancer. A prissy live-and-let-live, &quot;let's
&gt; be neighbors&quot; response is not going to cut it. It doesn't take guts to
&gt; succumb to peer pressure. The only reason that's even on the table is
&gt; because Israel doesn't want to come off as the bad guys. If it were just
&gt; them, and the Arabs, with nobody else watching, what do you think would
&gt; happen?

There would eventually be no Muslims left, given Muslim hostility.

Israelis understand the Talmud well. If he comes to murder you, rise up
early and kill him first (Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 72A).

Bob Kolker

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#14: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-15 00:35:13 by Asleep

Bob wrote:
&gt;
&gt; Why is he still breathing?
&gt;
&gt; Where's the Mossad when you need them most?

The Mossad are Sabrah's, not Kryptonians. Although Kalel and Jorel are
Hebraic names.

Bob Kolker

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#15: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-15 00:36:24 by Asleep

Tim McGaughy wrote:
&gt;
&gt; If they keep acting like petulant children, that's exactly what should
&gt; happen.
&gt;
&gt; Hezbollah is a threat that needs to be eliminated, due to the terror
&gt; tactics they employ. Israel uses most of the same tactics.
&gt;
&gt; Follow the logic.
&gt;
&gt; The U.S. needs to stop sending aid money. When Israel is forced to make
&gt; a choice between buying bread and buying bullets, they'll start working
&gt; much harder to achieve peace.

The only peace that is possible is for Israel to consent to its own
suicide or kill off its antagonists. There is no middle ground.

Bob Kolker

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#16: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-15 01:47:30 by dchance

&quot;Christy Hemme's Forehead&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:CHF&#64;barrenwasteland.t.na" target="_blank">CHF&#64;barrenwasteland.t.na</a>&gt; wrote
&gt; The French are more civilized than any other culture in the world,
&gt; actually.

Bow at the altar of Zidane. He would know what to do in this situation...

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#17: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-15 02:36:04 by Tim McGaughy

Robert J. Kolker wrote:
&gt; Tim McGaughy wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; If they keep acting like petulant children, that's exactly what should
&gt;&gt; happen.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Hezbollah is a threat that needs to be eliminated, due to the terror
&gt;&gt; tactics they employ. Israel uses most of the same tactics.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Follow the logic.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; The U.S. needs to stop sending aid money. When Israel is forced to
&gt;&gt; make a choice between buying bread and buying bullets, they'll start
&gt;&gt; working much harder to achieve peace.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; The only peace that is possible is for Israel to consent to its own
&gt; suicide or kill off its antagonists. There is no middle ground.

Fine. Let them kill off their antagonists.

But while they're doing it, they need to leave the innocent civilians
the fuck alone.

They do not face the entire muslim world. They face a fundy portion of it.

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#18: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-15 02:38:15 by Tim McGaughy

Christy Hemme's Forehead wrote:
&gt; Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; wrote in
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:e98ukc02076&#64;enews1.newsguy.com" target="_blank">e98ukc02076&#64;enews1.newsguy.com</a>:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;The U.S. needs to stop sending aid money. When Israel is forced to
&gt;&gt;make a choice between buying bread and buying bullets, they'll start
&gt;&gt;working much harder to achieve peace.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Israel only bothers to buy bullets because they are too nice to use their
&gt; nukes. Though, cutting off aid might be a good idea since it would force
&gt; the situation. Nukes don't keep forever and are expensive to maintain.
&gt; Better to use it than to lose it.

If Israel uses nukes, they foul their own nest. Radioactive fallout can
cover a very wide area, and they have no place to go if it happens to
blanket them.

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#19: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-15 03:42:53 by unknown

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#20: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-15 04:36:59 by lordgow

&quot;Robert J. Kolker&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nowhere&#64;nowhere.com" target="_blank">nowhere&#64;nowhere.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Tim McGaughy wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Fine. Let them kill off their antagonists.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; But while they're doing it, they need to leave the innocent civilians the
&gt;&gt; fuck alone.
&gt;
&gt; The bastards hide behind women's skirts and baby cribs, or haven't you
&gt; noticed. Collateral damage is unavoidable.

Not to mention that to the best of their abilities the Israelis are
performing precision strikes on strategic targets instead of just lobbing
rockets &quot;in that general direction&quot;.

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#21: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-15 04:55:00 by Asleep

Tim McGaughy wrote:

&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Fine. Let them kill off their antagonists.
&gt;
&gt; But while they're doing it, they need to leave the innocent civilians
&gt; the fuck alone.

The bastards hide behind women's skirts and baby cribs, or haven't you
noticed. Collateral damage is unavoidable.

Bob Kolker

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#22: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-15 09:27:10 by Atlas Bugged

&gt; Robert J. Kolker wrote:
&gt;&gt; The only peace that is possible is for Israel to consent to its own
&gt;&gt; suicide or kill off its antagonists. There is no middle ground.

&quot;Tim McGaughy&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Fine. Let them kill off their antagonists.
&gt;
&gt; But while they're doing it, they need to leave the innocent civilians the
&gt; fuck alone.
&gt;
&gt; They do not face the entire muslim world. They face a fundy portion of it.

Nonsense It's called &quot;war.&quot; You may have heard of it. It wasn't just
invented in your lifetime.

Even the damn Nazis didn't intentionally hide among civilians thus using
them as human shields. That is a primary tactic among the fundy Muslims.

Yet 100,000 people were killed in the fire bombing of Dresden, more than
Hiroshima, and no one whined about collateral damage.

My little sister once said to me, &quot;In WWII, why didn't they just send people
to kill Hitler?&quot;

Of course, she was 12. You are asking the same question. What is your
excuse?

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#23: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-15 12:08:42 by spam

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:36:04 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;But while they're doing it, they need to leave the innocent civilians
&gt;the fuck alone.

The terrorists force civilians into combat areas - human shields. The
only response is to kill them along with the terrorists.


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#24: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-15 12:12:28 by spam

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 03:27:10 -0400, &quot;Atlas Bugged&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:atlasbuggedBYspam&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">atlasbuggedBYspam&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;Yet 100,000 people were killed in the fire bombing of Dresden, more than
&gt;Hiroshima, and no one whined about collateral damage.

Actually that is not true. The leftist queers in Britain whined about
Harris - called him &quot;Mad Bomber Harris&quot; IIRC. He was run out of the
RAF after the war.

The amount of explosives used in the firebombing - Hamburg was first -
was about 20 kilotons. That is the estimated yield of one of the
atomic bombs used on Japan. The amount of cruise missles used against
Iraq comes out to about 20 kilotons.

It would appear that a major offensive is a 20 kiloton affair.


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#25: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-15 13:42:37 by Tim McGaughy

Robert J. Kolker wrote:
&gt; Tim McGaughy wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Fine. Let them kill off their antagonists.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; But while they're doing it, they need to leave the innocent civilians
&gt;&gt; the fuck alone.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; The bastards hide behind women's skirts and baby cribs, or haven't you
&gt; noticed. Collateral damage is unavoidable.

Bullshit. They can track Hezbollah down without shelling neighborhoods.

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#26: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-15 13:45:18 by Asleep

Bob wrote:
&gt;
&gt; Actually that is not true. The leftist queers in Britain whined about
&gt; Harris - called him &quot;Mad Bomber Harris&quot; IIRC. He was run out of the
&gt; RAF after the war.

The wusses and pusses waited until Allied victory was virtually assured
before they remounted their moral High Horse. For Winston Churchill,
Dresden seemed a bit much. Perhaps a raid too far. Personally, I thought
the Dresden raid with a gorgeous, a thing of beauty. It was well thought
out.

Three waves:

1. Break up buildings with high explosives exposing all that varnished wood.

2. Drop incendiaries igniting same.

3. Bomb the rescue and fire corps responding to the blaze.

The dead numbered between 30,000 and 60,000. It was a Nagasaki size raid.

It was so beautiful. It almost makes we weep from admiration.

Bob Kolker

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#27: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-15 13:45:34 by Tim McGaughy

Bob wrote:
&gt; On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:36:04 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;But while they're doing it, they need to leave the innocent civilians
&gt;&gt;the fuck alone.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; The terrorists force civilians into combat areas - human shields. The
&gt; only response is to kill them along with the terrorists.

No.

Terrorists don't spend 24 hours a day hiding behind hostages.

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#28: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-15 13:46:13 by Asleep

Lord Gow333, Conservative Renegade!!! wrote:

&gt;
&gt; &quot;Robert J. Kolker&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nowhere&#64;nowhere.com" target="_blank">nowhere&#64;nowhere.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt;&gt; Tim McGaughy wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Fine. Let them kill off their antagonists.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; But while they're doing it, they need to leave the innocent civilians
&gt;&gt;&gt; the fuck alone.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; The bastards hide behind women's skirts and baby cribs, or haven't you
&gt;&gt; noticed. Collateral damage is unavoidable.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Not to mention that to the best of their abilities the Israelis are
&gt; performing precision strikes on strategic targets instead of just
&gt; lobbing rockets &quot;in that general direction&quot;.

In particular they are tagretting organization heads using the drones.

Bob Kolker

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#29: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-15 14:28:59 by spam

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:45:34 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;&gt;&gt;But while they're doing it, they need to leave the innocent civilians
&gt;&gt;&gt;the fuck alone.

&gt;&gt; The terrorists force civilians into combat areas - human shields. The
&gt;&gt; only response is to kill them along with the terrorists.

&gt;No. Terrorists don't spend 24 hours a day hiding behind hostages.

The Coalition does not spend 24 hours a day killing civilians, either.

If you were a civilian and you knew that the place you were located
was going to become a combat zone, wouldn't you leave? If you stayed
then you are a de facto combatant.

Before the invasion of Iraq, Special Ops went into Iraq and did
everything humanly possible to clear the way for invasion, including
warning civilians to get out of certain areas. If some of those people
stayed then they were in a combat zone, which makes them combatants.


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Posted on 2006-07-15 14:31:11 by spam

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:42:37 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;&gt; The bastards hide behind women's skirts and baby cribs, or haven't you
&gt;&gt; noticed. Collateral damage is unavoidable.

&gt;Bullshit. They can track Hezbollah down without shelling neighborhoods.

The Israelis are under no obligation to increase their risk of
casualties just to avoid human shields.


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#31: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-15 14:38:17 by Stephen Fairchild

Tim McGaughy wrote:

&gt; Bob wrote:
&gt;&gt; On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:36:04 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;But while they're doing it, they need to leave the innocent civilians
&gt;&gt;&gt;the fuck alone.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; The terrorists force civilians into combat areas - human shields. The
&gt;&gt; only response is to kill them along with the terrorists.
&gt;
&gt; No.
&gt;
&gt; Terrorists don't spend 24 hours a day hiding behind hostages.

Sure they don't not when they are at home but when they are in combat it's
another story.

As for innocent civilians there are none under Islam. You are either one of
them or you are one of us. That's why its okay for them to blow up trains
full of commuters. Those muslim human shields are partially unwilling
draftees on the side of Islam. The terrorists regard them as doing their
part and will be rewarded in the afterlife. If they were not to happy to
be on the battlefield you can bet that most of them were armchair
supporters and some of them were financial donors.

What is going on in Lebanon right now is merely the latest flare-up in a war
against western civilisation that has been going on for 1400 years.
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Posted on 2006-07-15 15:28:29 by spam

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:38:57 -0500, &quot;Robert J. Kolker&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:nowhere&#64;nowhere.com" target="_blank">nowhere&#64;nowhere.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;&gt; Before the invasion of Iraq, Special Ops went into Iraq and did
&gt;&gt; everything humanly possible to clear the way for invasion, including
&gt;&gt; warning civilians to get out of certain areas. If some of those people
&gt;&gt; stayed then they were in a combat zone, which makes them combatants.

&gt;Not really.

What do you mean? We are saying the same thing.

&gt;But it does put them in the line of fire. If non-combatents
&gt;stay in a kill-zone they have no business complaining if they become
&gt;collateral targets.


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Posted on 2006-07-15 15:30:01 by spam

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:38:17 +0100, Stephen Fairchild
&lt;<a href="mailto:somebody&#64;somewhere.com" target="_blank">somebody&#64;somewhere.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;What is going on in Lebanon right now is merely the latest flare-up in a war
&gt;against western civilisation that has been going on for 1400 years.

All the more reason to extinguish it once and for all.

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Posted on 2006-07-15 15:32:13 by spam

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:42:31 -0500, &quot;Robert J. Kolker&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:nowhere&#64;nowhere.com" target="_blank">nowhere&#64;nowhere.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;&gt; What is going on in Lebanon right now is merely the latest flare-up in a war
&gt;&gt; against western civilisation that has been going on for 1400 years.

&gt;You are among the few who understand this.

Actually this feud has been going on since the days of Abraham.


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Posted on 2006-07-15 15:38:57 by Asleep

Bob wrote:
&gt; On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:45:34 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;But while they're doing it, they need to leave the innocent civilians
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;the fuck alone.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;The terrorists force civilians into combat areas - human shields. The
&gt;&gt;&gt;only response is to kill them along with the terrorists.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;No. Terrorists don't spend 24 hours a day hiding behind hostages.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; The Coalition does not spend 24 hours a day killing civilians, either.
&gt;
&gt; If you were a civilian and you knew that the place you were located
&gt; was going to become a combat zone, wouldn't you leave? If you stayed
&gt; then you are a de facto combatant.
&gt;
&gt; Before the invasion of Iraq, Special Ops went into Iraq and did
&gt; everything humanly possible to clear the way for invasion, including
&gt; warning civilians to get out of certain areas. If some of those people
&gt; stayed then they were in a combat zone, which makes them combatants.

Not really. But it does put them in the line of fire. If non-combatents
stay in a kill-zone they have no business complaining if they become
collateral targets.

Bob Kolker

&gt;
&gt;

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Posted on 2006-07-15 15:39:53 by Asleep

Bob wrote:

&gt; On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:42:37 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;The bastards hide behind women's skirts and baby cribs, or haven't you
&gt;&gt;&gt;noticed. Collateral damage is unavoidable.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Bullshit. They can track Hezbollah down without shelling neighborhoods.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; The Israelis are under no obligation to increase their risk of
&gt; casualties just to avoid human shields.

Amen. Selah. It is the agressors who launch their attacks from areas in
which civillians live that are to blame for civillian casualities.

Bob Kolker

&gt;
&gt;

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Posted on 2006-07-15 15:42:31 by Asleep

Stephen Fairchild wrote:
&gt;
&gt; What is going on in Lebanon right now is merely the latest flare-up in a war
&gt; against western civilisation that has been going on for 1400 years.

You are among the few who understand this.

Bob Kolker

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Posted on 2006-07-15 17:20:33 by kitekrazy

&quot;grativo&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:grativo&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">grativo&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote in
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&gt;&gt; The whole reason for the protracted conflict is that neither side has
&gt;&gt; the guts to commit to what needs to be done even though the writing's
&gt;&gt; on the wall. Pitiful suicide bombings and kidnappings, or &quot;ferocious&quot;
&gt;&gt; responses leaving infrastructure and civilization intact are not
&gt;&gt; going to do it.
&gt;
&gt; I think Israelies have shown more guts, because they're saying they're
&gt; not opposed to living beside some kind of a palestinian state.&lt;


Only because of pressure from the outside world. Interesting that no one
in the Middle East wants the Palestinians.

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Posted on 2006-07-15 19:03:00 by TUKA

On 2006-07-15, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; Bob wrote:
&gt;&gt; On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:36:04 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;But while they're doing it, they need to leave the innocent civilians
&gt;&gt;&gt;the fuck alone.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; The terrorists force civilians into combat areas - human shields. The
&gt;&gt; only response is to kill them along with the terrorists.
&gt;
&gt; No.
&gt;
&gt; Terrorists don't spend 24 hours a day hiding behind hostages.

Don't bother Bob, the boy has no understanding of the world and
how it works. Otherwise he wouldn't be demanding surgical
attacks on will o' the wisps.

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Posted on 2006-07-15 19:05:06 by TUKA

On 2006-07-15, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; Robert J. Kolker wrote:
&gt;&gt; Tim McGaughy wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Fine. Let them kill off their antagonists.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; But while they're doing it, they need to leave the innocent civilians
&gt;&gt;&gt; the fuck alone.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; The bastards hide behind women's skirts and baby cribs, or haven't you
&gt;&gt; noticed. Collateral damage is unavoidable.
&gt;
&gt; Bullshit. They can track Hezbollah down without shelling neighborhoods.

Hire yourself out as a consultant and share your knowledge of
how to do that. It is unique in the world.

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#42: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-15 19:09:54 by DaffyDuck

On 2006-07-15 04:42:37 -0700, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; said:

&gt; Bullshit. They can track Hezbollah down without shelling neighborhoods.

Wow, you can make a lot of money serving as a consultant to Israel to
help them 'track Hezbollah' singularly. You must have special talents -
but, let me guess, Tim, when asked to step up to that plate, you'll be
oddly silent?

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Posted on 2006-07-15 19:11:07 by DaffyDuck

On 2006-07-15 04:45:34 -0700, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; said:

&gt; Terrorists don't spend 24 hours a day hiding behind hostages.

No, they don't, and they are not hostages (really demonstrating how
little you know). They just make themselves comfortable in the middle
of civilian enclaves, surround themselves with family and friends, and
hang out close to Kindergarten facilities. You really don't know what
you're talking about, do you?

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Posted on 2006-07-15 20:04:46 by spam

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 10:11:07 -0700, DaffyDuck
&lt;<a href="mailto:daffyduck&#64;spammersdie.mac.dot.com" target="_blank">daffyduck&#64;spammersdie.mac.dot.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;&gt; Terrorists don't spend 24 hours a day hiding behind hostages.

&gt;No, they don't, and they are not hostages (really demonstrating how
&gt;little you know). They just make themselves comfortable in the middle
&gt;of civilian enclaves, surround themselves with family and friends, and
&gt;hang out close to Kindergarten facilities. You really don't know what
&gt;you're talking about, do you?

For once that fucking duck makes sense. Maybe it was the vacation.

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Posted on 2006-07-15 21:08:23 by spam

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:47:40 -0500, Mr Bigun &lt;<a href="mailto:BIGUN&#64;yourtonsils.net" target="_blank">BIGUN&#64;yourtonsils.net</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;no, they spend 16 ... the other 8 they sleep with children.

They sleep with camels. The children have bombs strapped to them and
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#49: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-15 21:10:39 by Squibnick

I don't know if it is too &quot;ferocious&quot;, or not, but i think the whole
Gaza and Lebanon thing is kind of over reacting to a couple of soldiers
being kidnapped.

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Posted on 2006-07-15 21:46:19 by CatPanDaddy

&quot;Bob&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:spam&#64;uce.gov" target="_blank">spam&#64;uce.gov</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:44b92e16.6141234&#64;news-server.houston.rr.com..." target="_blank">44b92e16.6141234&#64;news-server.houston.rr.com...</a>
&gt; On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 10:11:07 -0700, DaffyDuck
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:daffyduck&#64;spammersdie.mac.dot.com" target="_blank">daffyduck&#64;spammersdie.mac.dot.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Terrorists don't spend 24 hours a day hiding behind hostages.
&gt;
&gt;&gt;No, they don't, and they are not hostages (really demonstrating how
&gt;&gt;little you know). They just make themselves comfortable in the middle
&gt;&gt;of civilian enclaves, surround themselves with family and friends, and
&gt;&gt;hang out close to Kindergarten facilities. You really don't know what
&gt;&gt;you're talking about, do you?
&gt;
&gt; For once that fucking duck makes sense. Maybe it was the vacation.
&gt;
&gt; Wonders never cease.
&gt;

A troll makes the most sense when the troll is trolling those you believe need a
good trolling.

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Posted on 2006-07-15 21:54:39 by spam

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:46:19 -0500, &quot;CatPanDaddy&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:cpd&#64;cat.pan.net" target="_blank">cpd&#64;cat.pan.net</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;A troll makes the most sense when the troll is trolling those you believe need a
&gt;good trolling.

You mean the troll of my enemy is my friend?

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Posted on 2006-07-15 22:17:45 by CatPanDaddy

&quot;Bob&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:spam&#64;uce.gov" target="_blank">spam&#64;uce.gov</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:44b947b8.12703281&#64;news-server.houston.rr.com..." target="_blank">44b947b8.12703281&#64;news-server.houston.rr.com...</a>
&gt; On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:46:19 -0500, &quot;CatPanDaddy&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:cpd&#64;cat.pan.net" target="_blank">cpd&#64;cat.pan.net</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;A troll makes the most sense when the troll is trolling those you believe need
&gt;&gt;a
&gt;&gt;good trolling.
&gt;
&gt; You mean the troll of my enemy is my friend?
&gt;
&gt; Naw.
&gt;

Certainly not. But it gives the position an appearance of greater sensibility.

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Posted on 2006-07-15 22:31:18 by Tim McGaughy

Bob wrote:
&gt; On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:42:37 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;The bastards hide behind women's skirts and baby cribs, or haven't you
&gt;&gt;&gt;noticed. Collateral damage is unavoidable.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Bullshit. They can track Hezbollah down without shelling neighborhoods.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; The Israelis are under no obligation to increase their risk of
&gt; casualties just to avoid human shields.

Yeah, cuz those airports will just sneak up and smack on you while
you're not looking. And no innocent person would be at an airport unless
a terrorist dragged them there.

Maybe you'll care when you can't fill yer car with gas for under $100.

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Posted on 2006-07-15 22:39:35 by Tim McGaughy

Robert J. Kolker wrote:
&gt; Bob wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:42:37 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The bastards hide behind women's skirts and baby cribs, or haven't
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; you noticed. Collateral damage is unavoidable.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Bullshit. They can track Hezbollah down without shelling neighborhoods.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; The Israelis are under no obligation to increase their risk of
&gt;&gt; casualties just to avoid human shields.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Amen. Selah. It is the agressors who launch their attacks from areas in
&gt; which civillians live that are to blame for civillian casualities.

Which is why we should have gone in with tanks and guns and bombed the
shit out of Oklahoma City when Timothy McVeigh and his friends dared to
damage one of our federal buildings.

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Posted on 2006-07-15 22:40:44 by Tim McGaughy

TUKA wrote:
&gt; On 2006-07-15, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Robert J. Kolker wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Tim McGaughy wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Fine. Let them kill off their antagonists.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;But while they're doing it, they need to leave the innocent civilians
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;the fuck alone.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;The bastards hide behind women's skirts and baby cribs, or haven't you
&gt;&gt;&gt;noticed. Collateral damage is unavoidable.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Bullshit. They can track Hezbollah down without shelling neighborhoods.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Hire yourself out as a consultant and share your knowledge of
&gt; how to do that. It is unique in the world.

Criminal investigations happen every day, Sparky. It certainly isn't unique.

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Posted on 2006-07-15 22:42:45 by Tim McGaughy

Bob wrote:
&gt; On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:45:34 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;But while they're doing it, they need to leave the innocent civilians
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;the fuck alone.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;The terrorists force civilians into combat areas - human shields. The
&gt;&gt;&gt;only response is to kill them along with the terrorists.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;No. Terrorists don't spend 24 hours a day hiding behind hostages.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; The Coalition does not spend 24 hours a day killing civilians, either.
&gt;
&gt; If you were a civilian and you knew that the place you were located
&gt; was going to become a combat zone, wouldn't you leave?

And go where? I've got the entire United States to roam around. People
in the middle east don't have that kind of freedom of movement.

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Posted on 2006-07-15 22:44:04 by Tim McGaughy

Bob wrote:
&gt; On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:38:57 -0500, &quot;Robert J. Kolker&quot;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:nowhere&#64;nowhere.com" target="_blank">nowhere&#64;nowhere.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Before the invasion of Iraq, Special Ops went into Iraq and did
&gt;&gt;&gt;everything humanly possible to clear the way for invasion, including
&gt;&gt;&gt;warning civilians to get out of certain areas. If some of those people
&gt;&gt;&gt;stayed then they were in a combat zone, which makes them combatants.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Not really.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; What do you mean? We are saying the same thing.

No, you're not.

A combatant is someone who engages in combat. Simply being there doesn't
qualify.

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Posted on 2006-07-15 22:45:01 by Tim McGaughy

Stephen Fairchild wrote:
&gt; Tim McGaughy wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Bob wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:36:04 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;But while they're doing it, they need to leave the innocent civilians
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;the fuck alone.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;The terrorists force civilians into combat areas - human shields. The
&gt;&gt;&gt;only response is to kill them along with the terrorists.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;No.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Terrorists don't spend 24 hours a day hiding behind hostages.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Sure they don't not when they are at home but when they are in combat it's
&gt; another story.
&gt;
&gt; As for innocent civilians there are none under Islam.

Bigotry noted.

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Posted on 2006-07-15 22:47:20 by Tim McGaughy

kitekrazy wrote:
&gt; &quot;grativo&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:grativo&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">grativo&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote in
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:1152907110.161415.3360&#64;p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1152907110.161415.3360&#64;p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com</a>:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;The whole reason for the protracted conflict is that neither side has
&gt;&gt;&gt;the guts to commit to what needs to be done even though the writing's
&gt;&gt;&gt;on the wall. Pitiful suicide bombings and kidnappings, or &quot;ferocious&quot;
&gt;&gt;&gt;responses leaving infrastructure and civilization intact are not
&gt;&gt;&gt;going to do it.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;I think Israelies have shown more guts, because they're saying they're
&gt;&gt;not opposed to living beside some kind of a palestinian state.&lt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Only because of pressure from the outside world. Interesting that no one
&gt; in the Middle East wants the Palestinians.

Maybe you noticed they don't want the israelis, either.

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Posted on 2006-07-15 23:09:32 by spam

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:42:45 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;People in the middle east don't have that kind of freedom of movement.

You sure could have fooled me. Most of the terrorists come from other
countries. Let those other countries take in civilians who don't want
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Posted on 2006-07-15 23:11:33 by Godwinner

Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; wrote in
news:<a href="mailto:e9bk8q52bir&#64;enews2.newsguy.com" target="_blank">e9bk8q52bir&#64;enews2.newsguy.com</a>:

&gt; kitekrazy wrote:
&gt;&gt; &quot;grativo&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:grativo&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">grativo&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote in
&gt;&gt; news:<a href="mailto:1152907110.161415.3360&#64;p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1152907110.161415.3360&#64;p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com</a>:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The whole reason for the protracted conflict is that neither side
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;has the guts to commit to what needs to be done even though the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;writing's on the wall. Pitiful suicide bombings and kidnappings, or
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;ferocious&quot; responses leaving infrastructure and civilization intact
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;are not going to do it.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;I think Israelies have shown more guts, because they're saying
&gt;&gt;&gt;they're not opposed to living beside some kind of a palestinian
&gt;&gt;&gt;state.&lt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Only because of pressure from the outside world. Interesting that no
&gt;&gt; one
&gt;&gt; in the Middle East wants the Palestinians.
&gt;
&gt; Maybe you noticed they don't want the israelis, either.

Neither did Nazi Germany.

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Posted on 2006-07-15 23:11:40 by Godwinner

Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; wrote in
news:<a href="mailto:e9bk4e42bir&#64;enews2.newsguy.com" target="_blank">e9bk4e42bir&#64;enews2.newsguy.com</a>:

&gt; Stephen Fairchild wrote:
&gt;&gt; Tim McGaughy wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Bob wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:36:04 -0500, Tim McGaughy
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;But while they're doing it, they need to leave the innocent
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;civilians the fuck alone.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The terrorists force civilians into combat areas - human shields.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The only response is to kill them along with the terrorists.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;No.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Terrorists don't spend 24 hours a day hiding behind hostages.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Sure they don't not when they are at home but when they are in combat
&gt;&gt; it's another story.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; As for innocent civilians there are none under Islam.
&gt;
&gt; Bigotry noted.

You'd have shouted &quot;bigotry!&quot; during WWII when people opposed the Nazis,
chump.

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Posted on 2006-07-15 23:51:43 by Zev

Tim McGaughy wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt;Bullshit. They can track Hezbollah down without shelling neighborhoods.

&gt; &gt; Hire yourself out as a consultant and share your knowledge of
&gt; &gt; how to do that. It is unique in the world.

&gt; Criminal investigations happen every day, Sparky. It certainly isn't unique.

&quot;Criminal investigation&quot;!?

Are you suggesting that Israel send policemen
to Lebanon to look for and arrest Hezbollah terrorists?

Have you gone mad?

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Posted on 2006-07-15 23:51:55 by Asleep

Tim McGaughy wrote:

&gt; Bob wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:42:37 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The bastards hide behind women's skirts and baby cribs, or haven't
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; you noticed. Collateral damage is unavoidable.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Bullshit. They can track Hezbollah down without shelling neighborhoods.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; The Israelis are under no obligation to increase their risk of
&gt;&gt; casualties just to avoid human shields.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Yeah, cuz those airports will just sneak up and smack on you while
&gt; you're not looking. And no innocent person would be at an airport unless
&gt; a terrorist dragged them there.
&gt;
&gt; Maybe you'll care when you can't fill yer car with gas for under $100.

Israel has nothing to do with that. The Saudis have us by the short
hairs because we have not cultivated alternartive energy sources
sufficiently. If Israel did not exist we would still be paying the price
the oil cartel demands.

Bob Kolker

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#65: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 00:06:13 by TUKA

On 2006-07-15, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; TUKA wrote:
&gt;&gt; On 2006-07-15, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Robert J. Kolker wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Tim McGaughy wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Fine. Let them kill off their antagonists.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;But while they're doing it, they need to leave the innocent civilians
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;the fuck alone.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The bastards hide behind women's skirts and baby cribs, or haven't you
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;noticed. Collateral damage is unavoidable.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Bullshit. They can track Hezbollah down without shelling neighborhoods.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Hire yourself out as a consultant and share your knowledge of
&gt;&gt; how to do that. It is unique in the world.
&gt;
&gt; Criminal investigations happen every day, Sparky. It certainly
&gt; isn't unique.

Interesting that you think Israel can perform criminal investigations in
Lebanon and other environs. I retract my suggestion for starting a
consulting business, unless you are planning a &quot;how to be stupid&quot; class.

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Posted on 2006-07-16 00:11:14 by TUKA

On 2006-07-15, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; Robert J. Kolker wrote:
&gt;&gt; Bob wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:42:37 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The bastards hide behind women's skirts and baby cribs, or haven't
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; you noticed. Collateral damage is unavoidable.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Bullshit. They can track Hezbollah down without shelling neighborhoods.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; The Israelis are under no obligation to increase their risk of
&gt;&gt;&gt; casualties just to avoid human shields.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Amen. Selah. It is the agressors who launch their attacks from areas in
&gt;&gt; which civillians live that are to blame for civillian casualities.
&gt;
&gt; Which is why we should have gone in with tanks and guns and bombed the
&gt; shit out of Oklahoma City when Timothy McVeigh and his friends dared to
&gt; damage one of our federal buildings.

Well Sparky, if the citizens of Oklahoma had in general given aid and
comfort to McVeigh and friends and allowed them to openly operate among
them, that might indeed have happened. But of course it didn't, and another
of your analogies goes up in flames.

It becomes clear you are either a complete and utter idiot, or a
shameless troll. I guess I don't care which -- each belongs in a
killfile.

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#67: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 00:20:58 by spam

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 22:06:13 -0000, TUKA &lt;<a href="mailto:tuka&#64;tuka.valuemedia.com" target="_blank">tuka&#64;tuka.valuemedia.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;I retract my suggestion for starting a
&gt;consulting business, unless you are planning a &quot;how to be stupid&quot; class.

&quot;Investigations For Dummies&quot;


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#73: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 01:24:53 by Nemesis

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:47:20 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
with the help of a thousand monkeys banging on keyboards, was finally
able to type out the following:

&gt;kitekrazy wrote:
&gt;&gt; &quot;grativo&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:grativo&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">grativo&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote in
&gt;&gt; news:<a href="mailto:1152907110.161415.3360&#64;p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1152907110.161415.3360&#64;p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com</a>:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The whole reason for the protracted conflict is that neither side has
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;the guts to commit to what needs to be done even though the writing's
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;on the wall. Pitiful suicide bombings and kidnappings, or &quot;ferocious&quot;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;responses leaving infrastructure and civilization intact are not
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;going to do it.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;I think Israelies have shown more guts, because they're saying they're
&gt;&gt;&gt;not opposed to living beside some kind of a palestinian state.&lt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Only because of pressure from the outside world. Interesting that no one
&gt;&gt; in the Middle East wants the Palestinians.
&gt;
&gt;Maybe you noticed they don't want the israelis, either.

Apparently you haven't noticed that the rest of the Middle East is
composed mostly of Muslims who hate Jews so only an idiot would make
that kind of comparison.

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#74: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 01:29:37 by Nemesis

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:08:23 GMT, <a href="mailto:spam&#64;uce.gov" target="_blank">spam&#64;uce.gov</a> (Bob) with the help of
a thousand monkeys banging on keyboards, was finally able to type out
the following:

&gt;On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:47:40 -0500, Mr Bigun &lt;<a href="mailto:BIGUN&#64;yourtonsils.net" target="_blank">BIGUN&#64;yourtonsils.net</a>&gt;
&gt;wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;no, they spend 16 ... the other 8 they sleep with children.
&gt;
&gt;They sleep with camels. The children have bombs strapped to them and
&gt;that could be dangerous.

I remember around 20 years ago, in Arab run small stores, they'd have
family pictures that were taken in the Middle East, and most of the
children in those pictures were carrying firearms, even machine guns.
I haven't seen that in years however.


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#75: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 02:46:08 by Asleep

Mr Bigun wrote:

&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Another ignorant goyim heard from. Oy vey!!

Goyim is plural. Goy is singular.

Bob Kolker

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#77: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 05:36:08 by Atlas Bugged

&gt; On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:30:01 GMT, <a href="mailto:spam&#64;uce.gov" target="_blank">spam&#64;uce.gov</a> (Bob) wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:38:17 +0100, Stephen Fairchild
&gt;&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:somebody&#64;somewhere.com" target="_blank">somebody&#64;somewhere.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;What is going on in Lebanon right now is merely the latest flare-up in a
&gt;&gt;&gt;war
&gt;&gt;&gt;against western civilisation that has been going on for 1400 years.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;All the more reason to extinguish it once and for all.

&quot;Mr Bigun&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:BIGUN&#64;yourtonsils.net" target="_blank">BIGUN&#64;yourtonsils.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:g4eib2thlvnbp10q1jvp65pqghsv0d529d&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">g4eib2thlvnbp10q1jvp65pqghsv0d529d&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt; agreed 10000%

Seconded. The motion is carried.

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#78: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 05:49:59 by Atlas Bugged

&quot;Tim McGaughy&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:e9bjar02b2r&#64;enews2.newsguy.com..." target="_blank">e9bjar02b2r&#64;enews2.newsguy.com...</a>
&gt; Yeah, cuz those airports will just sneak up and smack on you while you're
&gt; not looking. And no innocent person would be at an airport unless a
&gt; terrorist dragged them there.
&gt;
&gt; Maybe you'll care when you can't fill yer car with gas for under $100.

Tim, please. This whole issue is brain damaged. There is no issue. One
side will settle for any flavor of peaceful co-existence. The other insists
the adversary die. There is zero symmetry, and one is obviously the evil
aggressor. What part of this eludes you?

Islam has to accept first-amendment-style values, or they all have to die.
It's that simple.

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#79: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 05:53:11 by Atlas Bugged

&gt; Stephen Fairchild wrote:
&gt;&gt; As for innocent civilians there are none under Islam.

&quot;Tim McGaughy&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:e9bk4e42bir&#64;enews2.newsguy.com..." target="_blank">e9bk4e42bir&#64;enews2.newsguy.com...</a>
&gt; Bigotry noted.

There are a minority who are innocent. The Palestinians overwhelmingly
chose terrorism and live and let die in a fair election.

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Posted on 2006-07-16 06:09:46 by Tim McGaughy

Robert J. Kolker wrote:
&gt; Tim McGaughy wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Bob wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:42:37 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The bastards hide behind women's skirts and baby cribs, or haven't
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; you noticed. Collateral damage is unavoidable.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Bullshit. They can track Hezbollah down without shelling neighborhoods.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; The Israelis are under no obligation to increase their risk of
&gt;&gt;&gt; casualties just to avoid human shields.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Yeah, cuz those airports will just sneak up and smack on you while
&gt;&gt; you're not looking. And no innocent person would be at an airport
&gt;&gt; unless a terrorist dragged them there.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Maybe you'll care when you can't fill yer car with gas for under $100.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Israel has nothing to do with that.

Israel has everything to do with that. The unease they are causing is
going to hike the gas prices.

The Saudis have us by the short
&gt; hairs because we have not cultivated alternartive energy sources
&gt; sufficiently. If Israel did not exist we would still be paying the price
&gt; the oil cartel demands.

Israel can't force them to keep the prices down.

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Posted on 2006-07-16 06:16:28 by Tim McGaughy

Mr Bigun wrote:
&gt; On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:31:18 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Bob wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:42:37 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The bastards hide behind women's skirts and baby cribs, or haven't you
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;noticed. Collateral damage is unavoidable.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Bullshit. They can track Hezbollah down without shelling neighborhoods.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;The Israelis are under no obligation to increase their risk of
&gt;&gt;&gt;casualties just to avoid human shields.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Yeah, cuz those airports will just sneak up and smack on you while
&gt;&gt;you're not looking. And no innocent person would be at an airport unless
&gt;&gt;a terrorist dragged them there.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Maybe you'll care when you can't fill yer car with gas for under $100.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Maybe you'll care when you can't fill yer car with gas unless you wear
&gt; a turban.

And what makes you think there's even a remote chance that would happen?

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Posted on 2006-07-16 06:22:50 by Tim McGaughy

Atlas Bugged wrote:
&gt; &quot;Tim McGaughy&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:e9bjar02b2r&#64;enews2.newsguy.com..." target="_blank">e9bjar02b2r&#64;enews2.newsguy.com...</a>
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Yeah, cuz those airports will just sneak up and smack on you while you're
&gt;&gt;not looking. And no innocent person would be at an airport unless a
&gt;&gt;terrorist dragged them there.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Maybe you'll care when you can't fill yer car with gas for under $100.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Tim, please. This whole issue is brain damaged. There is no issue. One
&gt; side will settle for any flavor of peaceful co-existence. The other insists
&gt; the adversary die.

Which is which?

I watched people in interviews crying because they had to leave their
new homes in israeli settlements during the pullouts a few months back.
They were devastated that they were losing something they'd taken by force.

This is not white and black. There are thugs and disgusting people on
both sides.

There is zero symmetry, and one is obviously the evil
&gt; aggressor. What part of this eludes you?

Nothing eludes me, and that includes attempts to demonize an opponent.

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#83: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 06:26:19 by Tim McGaughy

TUKA wrote:
&gt; On 2006-07-15, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Robert J. Kolker wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Bob wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:42:37 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The bastards hide behind women's skirts and baby cribs, or haven't
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;you noticed. Collateral damage is unavoidable.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Bullshit. They can track Hezbollah down without shelling neighborhoods.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The Israelis are under no obligation to increase their risk of
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;casualties just to avoid human shields.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Amen. Selah. It is the agressors who launch their attacks from areas in
&gt;&gt;&gt;which civillians live that are to blame for civillian casualities.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Which is why we should have gone in with tanks and guns and bombed the
&gt;&gt;shit out of Oklahoma City when Timothy McVeigh and his friends dared to
&gt;&gt;damage one of our federal buildings.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Well Sparky, if the citizens of Oklahoma had in general given aid and
&gt; comfort to McVeigh and friends and allowed them to openly operate among
&gt; them, that might indeed have happened. But of course it didn't, and another
&gt; of your analogies goes up in flames.

Demonstrate first that this is done on a universal scale in the middle
east. Demonstrate also that McVeigh did not recieve aid and comfort.

&gt;
&gt; It becomes clear you are either a complete and utter idiot, or a
&gt; shameless troll. I guess I don't care which -- each belongs in a
&gt; killfile.

Kewl. Bye.

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Posted on 2006-07-16 06:35:34 by Tim McGaughy

Zev wrote:
&gt; Tim McGaughy wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Bullshit. They can track Hezbollah down without shelling neighborhoods.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Hire yourself out as a consultant and share your knowledge of
&gt;&gt;&gt;how to do that. It is unique in the world.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Criminal investigations happen every day, Sparky. It certainly isn't unique.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &quot;Criminal investigation&quot;!?
&gt;
&gt; Are you suggesting that Israel send policemen
&gt; to Lebanon to look for and arrest Hezbollah terrorists?

They'd be able to do just that if there was a spirit of cooperation
between the governments.

Just curious... You do realize there's a solid christian presence in
Lebanon, don't you?

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#85: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 06:36:46 by Tim McGaughy

Mr Bigun wrote:
&gt; On 15 Jul 2006 14:51:43 -0700, &quot;Zev&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:zev_horn&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">zev_horn&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Tim McGaughy wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Bullshit. They can track Hezbollah down without shelling neighborhoods.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Hire yourself out as a consultant and share your knowledge of
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;how to do that. It is unique in the world.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Criminal investigations happen every day, Sparky. It certainly isn't unique.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&quot;Criminal investigation&quot;!?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Are you suggesting that Israel send policemen
&gt;&gt;to Lebanon to look for and arrest Hezbollah terrorists?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Have you gone mad?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Another ignorant goyim heard from. Oy vey!!

Bigotry noted.

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Posted on 2006-07-16 06:38:46 by Tim McGaughy

TUKA wrote:
&gt; On 2006-07-15, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;TUKA wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;On 2006-07-15, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Robert J. Kolker wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Tim McGaughy wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Fine. Let them kill off their antagonists.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;But while they're doing it, they need to leave the innocent civilians
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;the fuck alone.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The bastards hide behind women's skirts and baby cribs, or haven't you
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;noticed. Collateral damage is unavoidable.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Bullshit. They can track Hezbollah down without shelling neighborhoods.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Hire yourself out as a consultant and share your knowledge of
&gt;&gt;&gt;how to do that. It is unique in the world.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Criminal investigations happen every day, Sparky. It certainly
&gt;&gt;isn't unique.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Interesting that you think Israel can perform criminal investigations in
&gt; Lebanon and other environs.

You don't think the israeli government can scrape up undercover agents
who look lebanese? The U.S. can.

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#87: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 06:41:06 by Tim McGaughy

Bob wrote:
&gt; On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:42:45 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;People in the middle east don't have that kind of freedom of movement.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; You sure could have fooled me. Most of the terrorists come from other
&gt; countries.

Most terrorists don't drag their families around and have steady jobs.
It's harder for a family to relocate, especially across borders.

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#88: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 06:41:53 by Tim McGaughy

Geoffrey O'Dwinner wrote:
&gt; Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; wrote in
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:e9bk4e42bir&#64;enews2.newsguy.com" target="_blank">e9bk4e42bir&#64;enews2.newsguy.com</a>:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Stephen Fairchild wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Tim McGaughy wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Bob wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:36:04 -0500, Tim McGaughy
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;But while they're doing it, they need to leave the innocent
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;civilians the fuck alone.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The terrorists force civilians into combat areas - human shields.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The only response is to kill them along with the terrorists.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;No.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Terrorists don't spend 24 hours a day hiding behind hostages.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Sure they don't not when they are at home but when they are in combat
&gt;&gt;&gt;it's another story.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;As for innocent civilians there are none under Islam.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Bigotry noted.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; You'd have shouted &quot;bigotry!&quot; during WWII when people opposed the Nazis,
&gt; chump.

Godwin's law. You lose.

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Posted on 2006-07-16 06:42:41 by Tim McGaughy

Mr Bigun wrote:
&gt; On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:45:01 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Stephen Fairchild wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Tim McGaughy wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Bob wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:36:04 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;But while they're doing it, they need to leave the innocent civilians
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;the fuck alone.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The terrorists force civilians into combat areas - human shields. The
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;only response is to kill them along with the terrorists.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;No.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Terrorists don't spend 24 hours a day hiding behind hostages.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Sure they don't not when they are at home but when they are in combat it's
&gt;&gt;&gt;another story.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;As for innocent civilians there are none under Islam.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Bigotry noted.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Stone ignorant stupidity also noted.

Well, yeah, I did note that as well. Thanks for the correction.

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Posted on 2006-07-16 06:51:28 by DaffyDuck

On 2006-07-15 13:45:01 -0700, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; said:

&gt;&gt; As for innocent civilians there are none under Islam.
&gt;
&gt; Bigotry noted.

How is quoting the Quran termed 'bigotry'? Oh, wait, you had no idea
that was a Quran reference... of course!

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#91: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 06:51:33 by DaffyDuck

On 2006-07-15 15:06:13 -0700, TUKA &lt;<a href="mailto:tuka&#64;tuka.valuemedia.com" target="_blank">tuka&#64;tuka.valuemedia.com</a>&gt; said:

&gt; Interesting that you think Israel can perform criminal investigations in
&gt; Lebanon and other environs. I retract my suggestion for starting a
&gt; consulting business, unless you are planning a &quot;how to be stupid&quot; class.

ROTFLOL - Spot on!

I guess Tim's illustrating what it means to be 'disconnected' from the
real world.

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#92: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 06:53:05 by DaffyDuck

On 2006-07-15 13:39:35 -0700, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; said:

&gt; Which is why we should have gone in with tanks and guns and bombed the
&gt; shit out of Oklahoma City when Timothy McVeigh and his friends dared to
&gt; damage one of our federal buildings.

In case there was any more doubt abot you being a fucking dumb,
uneducated, moron - you have just erase any of it it.

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#93: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 06:57:56 by Atlas Bugged

&gt; Atlas Bugged wrote:
&gt;&gt; Tim, please. This whole issue is brain damaged. There is no issue. One
&gt;&gt; side will settle for any flavor of peaceful co-existence. The other
&gt;&gt; insists
&gt;&gt; the adversary die.

&quot;Tim McGaughy&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Which is which?

Cute. I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where Israel announced that
the Arab/Muslim world must be destroyed, no matter what they do or do not
do.
&gt;
&gt; I watched people in interviews crying because they had to leave their new
&gt; homes in israeli settlements during the pullouts a few months back. They
&gt; were devastated that they were losing something they'd taken by force.

An obvious sub-issue, however tragic.

Let's try again: The Arabs want Israel destroyed. It is not contingent.
They must die simply for who they are. It's non-negotiable with Hamas et
al.

The Israelis just want to be left alone peacably.
&gt;
&gt; This is not white and black. There are thugs and disgusting people on both
&gt; sides.

It's as B&amp;W as anything can get. You have murderers, you have victims, but
the victims have greater power. They're still the victims. And the Arabs
are still the murderers.
&gt;
&gt; There is zero symmetry, and one is obviously the evil
&gt;&gt; aggressor. What part of this eludes you?
&gt;
&gt; Nothing eludes me, and that includes attempts to demonize an opponent.

The &quot;opponent&quot; openly demands murder. I ain't demonizing shit.

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#98: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 08:24:00 by Zev

Robert J. Kolker wrote:
&gt; Mr Bigun wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Another ignorant goyim heard from. Oy vey!!
&gt;
&gt; Goyim is plural. Goy is singular.
&gt;
&gt; Bob Kolker

Baruch Hashem, I am neither.

Zev

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#99: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 12:07:44 by DaffyDuck

On 2006-07-15 21:35:34 -0700, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; said:

&gt; They'd be able to do just that if there was a spirit of cooperation
&gt; between the governments.

Oh, but you are admitting that there isn't, so you are talking in
utopian dreams then?

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#100: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 12:09:11 by DaffyDuck

On 2006-07-15 21:22:50 -0700, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; said:

&gt; Nothing eludes me

Oh that statement alone deserves to be framed... said by the guy who's
completely lost track of reality.

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#101: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 13:22:02 by Zoolook

L'il Kim Jong Perkoff wrote:
&gt; I don't know if it is too &quot;ferocious&quot;, or not, but i think the whole
&gt; Gaza and Lebanon thing is kind of over reacting to a couple of soldiers
&gt; being kidnapped.
&gt;

Are you american... I only ask because its almost an a par with the Iraq
conflict and 9/11!

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#102: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 14:19:57 by Atlas Bugged

&quot;Jorgé Kilmister&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jkilmister&#64;motorhead.co.uk" target="_blank">jkilmister&#64;motorhead.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; He doesn't lose because he Godwinned. Godwin's law says nothing about
&gt; losing upon Godwinning. It simply states that &quot;As a Usenet discussion
&gt; grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or
&gt; Hitler approaches one.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/" target="_blank">http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/</a>

Another very authoritative Godwin FAQ, for those who give a frak.

<a href="http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/faqs/godwin.html" target="_blank">http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/faqs/godwin.html</a>

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Posted on 2006-07-16 15:31:15 by spam

On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:45:37 -0500, &quot;Robert J. Kolker&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:nowhere&#64;nowhere.com" target="_blank">nowhere&#64;nowhere.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;When ants spoil your picnic, just blame the Jews. Right?

Only if the ants have beards.


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#104: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 15:45:37 by Asleep

Tim McGaughy wrote:

&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Israel can't force them to keep the prices down.

We can, if we use force. So what do the Israelis have to do with this?

Besides, China has fired up economically and is now bidding up the price
of oil to run its own machinery. What does Israel have to do with this?

When ants spoil your picnic, just blame the Jews. Right?

Bob Kolker

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Posted on 2006-07-16 15:50:24 by snuhwolf5150

Zoolook wrote:
&gt; L'il Kim Jong Perkoff wrote:
&gt;&gt; I don't know if it is too &quot;ferocious&quot;, or not, but i think the whole
&gt;&gt; Gaza and Lebanon thing is kind of over reacting to a couple of
&gt; soldiers
&gt;&gt; being kidnapped.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Are you american... I only ask because its almost an a par with the
&gt; Iraq
&gt; conflict and 9/11!

Isreal has nukes. Watch how Bush will support Isreals use of them.

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Posted on 2006-07-16 16:01:04 by Asleep

<a href="mailto:zev_horn&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">zev_horn&#64;yahoo.com</a> wrote:

&gt; Robert J. Kolker wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Mr Bigun wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Another ignorant goyim heard from. Oy vey!!
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Goyim is plural. Goy is singular.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Bob Kolker
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Baruch Hashem, I am neither.

Baruch ha'Sherm. Neither am I. Alhumdul'illah!

Bob Kolker

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#107: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 17:39:40 by Atlas Bugged

&gt; Christy Hemme's Forehead wrote:
&gt;&gt; You don't offer a truce with cancer.

The entire mideast situation is that simple. I don't know why I even
discuss it. Maybe having a Jewish background gets me a little worked up,
since the relevant psychos would like to murder me.

&gt;&gt;A prissy live-and-let-live, &quot;let's be neighbors&quot; response is not going to
&gt;&gt;cut it. It doesn't take guts to succumb to peer pressure. The only reason
&gt;&gt;that's even on the table is because Israel doesn't want to come off as the
&gt;&gt;bad guys. If it were just them, and the Arabs, with nobody else watching,
&gt;&gt;what do you think would happen?

&quot;Robert J. Kolker&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nowhere&#64;nowhere.com" target="_blank">nowhere&#64;nowhere.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; There would eventually be no Muslims left, given Muslim hostility.

Pure assertion, and there is every reason to believe it is incorrect. All
manner of societies in human history have adapted to change after sufficient
unbeatable force was applied. This has occurred whether the force was for
good or ill.

&gt; Israelis understand the Talmud well. If he comes to murder you, rise up
&gt; early and kill him first (Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 72A).

I have never heard of this. Would you mind repeating it?

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Posted on 2006-07-16 17:49:24 by spam

On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:39:40 GMT, &quot;Atlas Bugged&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:atlasbuggedBYspam&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">atlasbuggedBYspam&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;All manner of societies in human history have adapted to change after sufficient
&gt;unbeatable force was applied. This has occurred whether the force was for
&gt;good or ill.

The common thread is the extent to which govt is allowed to amass
centralized power.

Govt is the root of all evil. Tyrannicide is the solution, not
genocide.

Wreck the economy of your enemy so the new govt has to spend all its
time repairing it, and does not have the resources to amass enough
power to become beligerant.

We are now paying the price of not facing up to the Islamics in 1974.
We caved in and gave them the resources to amass enormous destructive
power. Iran as a society is no better off than it was back then,
because they spent all their new-found oil wealth on weapns.

N. Korea sold them those weapons, and thereby amassed its wealth which
it has used to make more weapons.

The main reason parts of the world are pissed off at the Iraq invasion
is because it disrupted the weapons based economies. Every time you
hear some leftist queer commie whining about the Iraq situation, what
he is really doing is expressing his hostility at the curtailment of a
sweet deal selling weapons to Iraq.


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Posted on 2006-07-16 19:16:06 by Atlas Bugged

&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:atlasbuggedBYspam&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">atlasbuggedBYspam&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;Pure assertion, and there is every reason to believe it is incorrect. All
&gt;&gt;manner of societies in human history have adapted to change after
&gt;&gt;sufficient
&gt;&gt;unbeatable force was applied.
&gt;
&quot;Mr Bigun&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:BIGUN&#64;yourtonsils.net" target="_blank">BIGUN&#64;yourtonsils.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; ... If that was the case, muslims would have changed after the
&gt; crusades. they haven't.. they are as bad , or wrose, now..
&gt; and you cant apply much more force than near genocide...

That is a good point. I think times are sufficiently different now, due to
all manner of technological change, that people will behave differently now.
Communications and media are such that remaining stone-ignorant has become a
far greater act of will. Babies survive childhood and a family has more
than a slim chance of living and prospering, a fact that has only recently
become true. So ideological idiocy has become far more expensive. Finally,
I think the near-extinction you note probably *did* have considerable
cleansing effect, but the infection has been permitted to re-grow. And I
actually doubt it is precisely the same virus.

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Posted on 2006-07-16 22:36:06 by Tim McGaughy

Mr Bigun wrote:
&gt; On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:47:20 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;kitekrazy wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;grativo&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:grativo&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">grativo&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote in
&gt;&gt;&gt;news:<a href="mailto:1152907110.161415.3360&#64;p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1152907110.161415.3360&#64;p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com</a>:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The whole reason for the protracted conflict is that neither side has
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;the guts to commit to what needs to be done even though the writing's
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;on the wall. Pitiful suicide bombings and kidnappings, or &quot;ferocious&quot;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;responses leaving infrastructure and civilization intact are not
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;going to do it.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I think Israelies have shown more guts, because they're saying they're
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;not opposed to living beside some kind of a palestinian state.&lt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Only because of pressure from the outside world. Interesting that no one
&gt;&gt;&gt;in the Middle East wants the Palestinians.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Maybe you noticed they don't want the israelis, either.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Maybe you noticed the Israelis aren't running around crying about
&gt; someone living on &quot;their&quot; land, and bombing buses, schools, and
&gt; discos for the shit of it?

No, they're crying about not being able to live on OTHER people's land.

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Posted on 2006-07-16 22:38:51 by Tim McGaughy

Nemesis wrote:
&gt; On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:47:20 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
&gt; with the help of a thousand monkeys banging on keyboards, was finally
&gt; able to type out the following:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;kitekrazy wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;grativo&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:grativo&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">grativo&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote in
&gt;&gt;&gt;news:<a href="mailto:1152907110.161415.3360&#64;p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1152907110.161415.3360&#64;p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com</a>:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The whole reason for the protracted conflict is that neither side has
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;the guts to commit to what needs to be done even though the writing's
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;on the wall. Pitiful suicide bombings and kidnappings, or &quot;ferocious&quot;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;responses leaving infrastructure and civilization intact are not
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;going to do it.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I think Israelies have shown more guts, because they're saying they're
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;not opposed to living beside some kind of a palestinian state.&lt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Only because of pressure from the outside world. Interesting that no one
&gt;&gt;&gt;in the Middle East wants the Palestinians.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Maybe you noticed they don't want the israelis, either.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Apparently you haven't noticed that the rest of the Middle East is
&gt; composed mostly of Muslims who hate Jews so only an idiot would make
&gt; that kind of comparison.

Only an idiot wouldn't think to wonder WHY they hate the jews.

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Posted on 2006-07-16 22:40:08 by Tim McGaughy

Atlas Bugged wrote:
&gt;&gt;Stephen Fairchild wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;As for innocent civilians there are none under Islam.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &quot;Tim McGaughy&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt;&gt;Bigotry noted.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; There are a minority who are innocent. The Palestinians overwhelmingly
&gt; chose terrorism

No.

The majority of them are not terrorists.

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#115: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 22:42:28 by Tim McGaughy

Robert J. Kolker wrote:
&gt; Tim McGaughy wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Israel can't force them to keep the prices down.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; We can, if we use force.

How's that working out?

I seem to recall Bush was gonna just casually step into Iraq and start
the oilfields right up.

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#116: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 23:00:07 by Tim McGaughy

Atlas Bugged wrote:
&gt;&gt;Atlas Bugged wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Tim, please. This whole issue is brain damaged. There is no issue. One
&gt;&gt;&gt;side will settle for any flavor of peaceful co-existence. The other
&gt;&gt;&gt;insists
&gt;&gt;&gt;the adversary die.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &quot;Tim McGaughy&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt;&gt;Which is which?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Cute. I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where Israel announced that
&gt; the Arab/Muslim world must be destroyed, no matter what they do or do not
&gt; do.

You must have also missed the part where an israeli general announced
that he was going to rewind Lebanon's clock about 20 years.

I guess they're happy replaying the last 20 years of this shit.

&gt;&gt;I watched people in interviews crying because they had to leave their new
&gt;&gt;homes in israeli settlements during the pullouts a few months back. They
&gt;&gt;were devastated that they were losing something they'd taken by force.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; An obvious sub-issue, however tragic.

Nothing sub about it. You think the israelis are shining knights in
spotless armor. I'm just telling you they're not.

&gt; Let's try again: The Arabs want Israel destroyed.

The israelis want the arabs destroyed.

Gee, it's so fun to paint with the big brushes. Let's talk about past
israeli policies like exacting retribution on a terrorist's FAMILY
whether or not they've even been in contact with him for years. We'll
talk about grabbing land under the stated intent of trying to control
the border, but in fact simply letting israeli citizens settle on it. Ir
onically, requiring another land grab to protect THEM.

Then, lets pretend every israeli is personally responsible for these acts.

Wow. I love painting with the big brushes.


It is not contingent.
&gt; They must die simply for who they are. It's non-negotiable with Hamas et
&gt; al.
&gt;
&gt; The Israelis just want to be left alone peacably.

No, they don't. They want revenge.

Someone who wants peace doesn't rip into another nation over one
kidnapped soldier.

&gt;&gt;This is not white and black. There are thugs and disgusting people on both
&gt;&gt;sides.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; It's as B&amp;W as anything can get. You have murderers, you have victims, but
&gt; the victims have greater power. They're still the victims. And the Arabs
&gt; are still the murderers.

They're not at war with the arabs, you dumb uneducated fuck. They're at
ware with the lebanese. and they're currently putting muslims,
christians, american citizens, british citizens, french citizens at risk.

You think lebanon is just muslims? Gross ignorance.

&gt;&gt;Nothing eludes me, and that includes attempts to demonize an opponent.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; The &quot;opponent&quot; openly demands murder.

So do the israelis.

There's that big brush again.

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#117: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 23:10:24 by Tim McGaughy

Jorgé Kilmister wrote:
&gt; On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:35:34 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Are you suggesting that Israel send policemen
&gt;&gt;&gt;to Lebanon to look for and arrest Hezbollah terrorists?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;They'd be able to do just that if there was a spirit of cooperation
&gt;&gt;between the governments.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Oh lol
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Just curious... You do realize there's a solid christian presence in
&gt;&gt;Lebanon, don't you?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; In their government?

The Free Patriotic Movement has a minority but solid presence in
Lebanon's parliament.

They're christian, by the way.

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#118: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 23:13:05 by Tim McGaughy

Mr Bigun wrote:
&gt; On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:41:53 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Geoffrey O'Dwinner wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; wrote in
&gt;&gt;&gt;news:<a href="mailto:e9bk4e42bir&#64;enews2.newsguy.com" target="_blank">e9bk4e42bir&#64;enews2.newsguy.com</a>:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Stephen Fairchild wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Tim McGaughy wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Bob wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:36:04 -0500, Tim McGaughy
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;But while they're doing it, they need to leave the innocent
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;civilians the fuck alone.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The terrorists force civilians into combat areas - human shields.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The only response is to kill them along with the terrorists.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;No.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Terrorists don't spend 24 hours a day hiding behind hostages.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Sure they don't not when they are at home but when they are in combat
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;it's another story.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;As for innocent civilians there are none under Islam.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Bigotry noted.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;You'd have shouted &quot;bigotry!&quot; during WWII when people opposed the Nazis,
&gt;&gt;&gt;chump.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Godwin's law. You lose.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Darwin's Law.. You Lost!!

I got a kid, chump. I've already won. You need to get started on a
girlfriend before YOU lose.

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#119: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 23:34:39 by Nemesis

On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:38:51 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
with the help of a thousand monkeys banging on keyboards, was finally
able to type out the following:

&gt;Nemesis wrote:
&gt;&gt; On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:47:20 -0500, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt; with the help of a thousand monkeys banging on keyboards, was finally
&gt;&gt; able to type out the following:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;kitekrazy wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;grativo&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:grativo&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">grativo&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote in
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;news:<a href="mailto:1152907110.161415.3360&#64;p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1152907110.161415.3360&#64;p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com</a>:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The whole reason for the protracted conflict is that neither side has
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;the guts to commit to what needs to be done even though the writing's
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;on the wall. Pitiful suicide bombings and kidnappings, or &quot;ferocious&quot;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;responses leaving infrastructure and civilization intact are not
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;going to do it.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I think Israelies have shown more guts, because they're saying they're
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;not opposed to living beside some kind of a palestinian state.&lt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Only because of pressure from the outside world. Interesting that no one
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;in the Middle East wants the Palestinians.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Maybe you noticed they don't want the israelis, either.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Apparently you haven't noticed that the rest of the Middle East is
&gt;&gt; composed mostly of Muslims who hate Jews so only an idiot would make
&gt;&gt; that kind of comparison.
&gt;
&gt;Only an idiot wouldn't think to wonder WHY they hate the jews.

Only an idiot wouldn't know that they (as a group) hate everyone
that's not Muslim.
Why don't you tell us why you hate Jews so much.

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Posted on 2006-07-16 23:41:12 by DaffyDuck

On 2006-07-16 14:00:07 -0700, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; said:

&gt; They're not at war with the arabs, you dumb uneducated fuck.

Unfortunately, you are describing yourself far better with that, than
you opponent.

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Posted on 2006-07-16 23:42:14 by DaffyDuck

On 2006-07-16 14:13:05 -0700, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; said:

&gt; Mr Bigun wrote:
&gt;&gt; Darwin's Law.. You Lost!!
&gt; I got a kid, chump. I've already won. You need to get started on a
&gt; girlfriend before YOU lose.

He reproduced - we ALL lose.

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#122: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-16 23:43:17 by DaffyDuck

On 2006-07-16 13:38:51 -0700, Tim McGaughy &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; said:
&gt; Only an idiot wouldn't think to wonder WHY they hate the jews.

Ah, it's &quot;the jews'&quot; fault now - that's a pretty wide brush you have
there, bud!

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Posted on 2006-07-16 23:43:47 by Zoolook

&gt; Isreal has nukes. Watch how Bush will support Isreals use of them.

Chances are he gave them to Isreal, and in typically Bushesque fashion,
its no longer &quot;convenient&quot; for them be in possesion of them.

And being a middle eastern country, they are a part of the &quot;axis of
evil&quot;, so they can look forwar to a frenzied and hostile attack from
America...

Mind you, seeing as we are STILL under Blairs thumb over here (and I
dont know of anyone that admits to voting him in incidently), we will
just bend over and let Bush fuck us in the ass.

Anyone got any lube?

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Posted on 2006-07-16 23:47:11 by the Bede

&quot;Zoolook&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mr.zoolook&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">mr.zoolook&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &gt; Isreal has nukes. Watch how Bush will support Isreals use of them.
&gt;
&gt; Chances are he gave them to Isreal
&gt;
people who are ignorant should shut up.

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#125: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-17 00:26:57 by Asleep

Tim McGaughy wrote:

&gt;
&gt; How's that working out?
&gt;
&gt; I seem to recall Bush was gonna just casually step into Iraq and start
&gt; the oilfields right up.

That sounds like a Dick Cheney/Donald Rumsfeld wet dream.

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#126: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-17 00:32:15 by Asleep

Tim McGaughy wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; The israelis want the arabs destroyed.

Actually not. The Israelis made peace with Egypt (the peace treaty still
holds) and Egypt is a Muslim country. The Israelis would be happy of
their neihbors would stop trying to wipe them out.


&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Someone who wants peace doesn't rip into another nation over one
&gt; kidnapped soldier.

You are quite wrong. One kidnamppings leads to the next. One thing the
Israelis are not, is pacifists. They are not Quakers. They will not bare
their throats to those trying to kill them.
&gt; They're not at war with the arabs, you dumb uneducated fuck. They're at
&gt; ware with the lebanese. and they're currently putting muslims,
&gt; christians, american citizens, british citizens, french citizens at risk.

That was Hizbollah's doing. Two weeks ago Lebenon was not being attacked
and bombed. What happened? Hizbollah gorillas kidnapped two IDF people
at the border and started firing rockets into Israel. That is what
happened. The Israelis responded.

Tell me, sport, what should we have done when the Japs bombed Pearl
Harbor. Should we have sat down with them and try to be friends? If
thine enemy smite thee on they cheek, tear his head off and shit down
his neck.

Bob Kolker

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Posted on 2006-07-17 00:41:05 by Scruff

&quot;Zoolook&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mr.zoolook&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">mr.zoolook&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &gt; Isreal has nukes. Watch how Bush will support Isreals use of them.
&gt;
&gt; Chances are he gave them to Isreal, and in typically Bushesque fashion,
Um, Israel had nukes before Papa Bush was president.
What a moron.

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#132: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-17 03:00:00 by DaffyDuck

On 2006-07-16 16:23:58 -0700, Jorgé Kilmister
&lt;<a href="mailto:jkilmister&#64;motorhead.co.uk" target="_blank">jkilmister&#64;motorhead.co.uk</a>&gt; said:

&gt;&gt; Only an idiot wouldn't think to wonder WHY they hate the jews.
&gt;
&gt; Its pretty simple. They hate circumcision.

Not for their women, they don't.

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#133: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-17 03:20:46 by Nemesis

On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:00:00 -0700, DaffyDuck
&lt;<a href="mailto:daffyduck&#64;spammersdie.mac.dot.com" target="_blank">daffyduck&#64;spammersdie.mac.dot.com</a>&gt; with the help of a thousand
monkeys banging on keyboards, was finally able to type out the
following:

&gt;On 2006-07-16 16:23:58 -0700, Jorgé Kilmister
&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:jkilmister&#64;motorhead.co.uk" target="_blank">jkilmister&#64;motorhead.co.uk</a>&gt; said:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Only an idiot wouldn't think to wonder WHY they hate the jews.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Its pretty simple. They hate circumcision.
&gt;
&gt;Not for their women, they don't.

That's Africans, not Muslims.
I think Muslims do it for religion reasons the same as Jews.

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#134: Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response...

Posted on 2006-07-17 03:20:46 by Atlas Bugged

&gt; Atlas Bugged wrote:
&gt;&gt; Cute. I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where Israel announced that
&gt;&gt; the Arab/Muslim world must be destroyed, no matter what they do or do not
&gt;&gt; do.

&quot;Tim McGaughy&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:teekem&#64;ispwest.com" target="_blank">teekem&#64;ispwest.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; You must have also missed the part where an israeli general announced that
&gt; he was going to rewind Lebanon's clock about 20 years.
&gt;
&gt; I guess they're happy replaying the last 20 years of this shit.

And you clearly dodged the point. You have me at the point where I can't
tell if you're intentionally trying to play games, or if you are dumb as
rocks, or - as it appears - you simply reject morality altogether. Lets try
again:

The point: Islamic adherents want the Jews dead, period. They've said so.
They've behaved so. This is a moral issue, one party has declared an open
intention, non-negotiable, to commit genocidal murder.

Your answer is to cite the Israeli plan to attack back? Are you out of your
mind? I hope so, because the alternative is ugly.
&gt;
&gt; Nothing sub about it. You think the israelis are shining knights in
&gt; spotless armor.

That's crap. They are socialist and religious, either of which is more than
sufficient for me to think they're idiots. But even a career criminal -
which I am not analogizing to Israel - may counter an approaching murderer
with deadly force.

&gt;&gt; Let's try again: The Arabs want Israel destroyed.
&gt;
&gt; The israelis want the arabs destroyed.

That is bullshit. The Israelis want anyone destroyed who plans to kill
them, then acts on it. So do you, so do I. There is nothing about Arabs or
Islam that the Israelis care about at all. Again, you are either unable to
think in terms of essentials or...worse.
&gt;
&gt; Gee, it's so fun to paint with the big brushes. Let's talk about past
&gt; israeli policies like exacting retribution on a terrorist's FAMILY whether
&gt; or not they've even been in contact with him for years. We'll talk about
&gt; grabbing land under the stated intent of trying to control the border, but
&gt; in fact simply letting israeli citizens settle on it. Ir onically,
&gt; requiring another land grab to protect THEM.

You do not understand what war is either. Do you believe that the Allies in
WWII had some sort of obligation to retreat because civilians might get
hurt? That their duty was to just die if German folks were in the way?
&gt;
&gt; Then, lets pretend every israeli is personally responsible for these acts.

War is a collective act. I reject collectivism unequivocally, but war
cannot be avoided by the victimized nation. The aggressor forces the war.
All deaths in Lebanon are at the hands of Hezbollah.

Your mind is at the level of a crow, not a human. The rapist and his victim
are not the same because each is throwing fists. That's basically your
mentality.
&gt;
&gt; No, they don't. They want revenge.

Bullshit. You are pulling that out of your ass. The Israelis could have
made the Arab Mideast an oven anytime they wanted for the last decades.
&gt;
&gt; Someone who wants peace doesn't rip into another nation over one kidnapped
&gt; soldier.

Of course, it is not over one soldier, that is true. All of a sudden you
display insight above what's absolutely concrete. How about that.
&gt;
&gt; They're not at war with the arabs, you dumb uneducated fuck. They're at
&gt; ware with the lebanese. and they're currently putting muslims, christians,
&gt; american citizens, british citizens, french citizens at risk.

It's called war, duh. Israel has no choice, and everyone uninvolved needs
to get out. All deaths there, every one, is pure Hezbollah.
&gt;
&gt; You think lebanon is just muslims?

No. Straw man.

&gt;Gross ignorance.

I wish that were true of you. It appears the situation is far worse.
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Nothing eludes me, and that includes attempts to demonize an opponent.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; The &quot;opponent&quot; openly demands murder.
&gt;
&gt; So do the israelis.

Do you grok the difference between &quot;murder&quot; and &quot;killing?&quot; I don't think
you do.

I went through this with the religionists some years ago. There's that
&quot;shalt not kill&quot; bit, and I said that was wildly wrong and immoral. Why?
If someone is firing on me, why shouldn't I fire back? How about I have a
gun, and an armed predator is trying to rape and kill a child? Don't kill?
You gotta be shittin' me.

Naturally, the believers came back with &quot;interpretation.&quot; Nobody could
assail my point, so I wound up with several adversaries all telling me they
looked it up, and the usual language of the Bible is misleading, and
actually means &quot;...shalt not murder.&quot;

Lot's of double-dealing religious bullshit there, but the point is that you
do not seem to even be at this point of understanding. The fact of pulling
a trigger is your entire world. The moral dimension of why it might have
been pulled - which is all that matters - is opaque to you, at least as you
are presenting your dishonest-appearing argument.

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