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#1: OT - What's it all about?

Posted on 2006-07-13 06:48:11 by Bob Johnson

On May 20th, my best friend since high school sat down in his recliner in
his Phoenix apartment and never woke up. Cause of death was "cardiac
arrhythmia". He would have been 55 on June 19th.

I flew to St. Louis on May 25th, and rented a car to drive to West
Burlington, Iowa for his funeral. That morning, my daughter drove me to
DIA. Keep in mind, while not a huge metropolis, the Denver metro is spread
over an area about 40 miles wide by 50 miles long, depending on where you
start measuring. The metro population is approx. 2.5MM, once again,
depending on which bedroom communities you choose to include.

We pulled up to the stop light at Tower Road and 96th. I said to my
daughter, "read the license plate on that truck!" On the maroon colored
pickup directly in front of us was a license plate that read "619 BYE"! I
told her that June 19th was Bear's birthday. She was virtually speechless,
which is a rarity for my 24 year old daughter!

Now, I realize that license plate is a legitimate plate on a late model
maroon pickup truck. I think it was a Ford, but it had one of those mesh
tailgates to allow the air to flow through. The question is, what put me,
at that moment, considering where I was going, behind that truck in a
geographic area the size of Denver?

Don't tell me it just ends. This isn't the first time I've lost a very
close friend way too early in life, and it's not the first time something
like this has happened to me.

--
Bob Johnson, Denver/Thornton, Co.
<a href="mailto:bobj&#64;cris.com" target="_blank">bobj&#64;cris.com</a>

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#2: Re: OT - What's it all about?

Posted on 2006-07-13 07:43:44 by pltrgyst

On 13 Jul 2006 00:48:11 EDT, &quot;Bob Johnson&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:bobj&#64;cris.com" target="_blank">bobj&#64;cris.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;...Now, I realize that license plate is a legitimate plate on a late model
&gt;maroon pickup truck. I think it was a Ford, but it had one of those mesh
&gt;tailgates to allow the air to flow through. The question is, what put me,
&gt;at that moment, considering where I was going, behind that truck in a
&gt;geographic area the size of Denver?

I always tell my wife, who's from Colorado, that Colorado is the
twilight zone...

-- Larry

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#3: Re: OT - What's it all about?

Posted on 2006-07-13 08:08:06 by ratchet1957

Bob Johnson wrote:

&gt; On May 20th, my best friend since high school sat down in his recliner in
&gt; his Phoenix apartment and never woke up. Cause of death was &quot;cardiac
&gt; arrhythmia&quot;. He would have been 55 on June 19th.
&gt;
&gt; I flew to St. Louis on May 25th, and rented a car to drive to West
&gt; Burlington, Iowa for his funeral. That morning, my daughter drove me to
&gt; DIA. Keep in mind, while not a huge metropolis, the Denver metro is spread
&gt; over an area about 40 miles wide by 50 miles long, depending on where you
&gt; start measuring. The metro population is approx. 2.5MM, once again,
&gt; depending on which bedroom communities you choose to include.
&gt;
&gt; We pulled up to the stop light at Tower Road and 96th. I said to my
&gt; daughter, &quot;read the license plate on that truck!&quot; On the maroon colored
&gt; pickup directly in front of us was a license plate that read &quot;619 BYE&quot;! I
&gt; told her that June 19th was Bear's birthday. She was virtually speechless,
&gt; which is a rarity for my 24 year old daughter!
&gt;
&gt; Now, I realize that license plate is a legitimate plate on a late model
&gt; maroon pickup truck. I think it was a Ford, but it had one of those mesh
&gt; tailgates to allow the air to flow through. The question is, what put me,
&gt; at that moment, considering where I was going, behind that truck in a
&gt; geographic area the size of Denver?
&gt;
&gt; Don't tell me it just ends. This isn't the first time I've lost a very
&gt; close friend way too early in life, and it's not the first time something
&gt; like this has happened to me.
&gt;


My deepest condolences on the loss of your friend Bob ...

Tom S. -

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#4: Re: OT - What's it all about?

Posted on 2006-07-13 12:19:19 by Roger Orsulak

&quot;Bob Johnson&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:bobj&#64;cris.com" target="_blank">bobj&#64;cris.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:e94jab$<a href="mailto:cct&#64;dispatch.concentric.net..." target="_blank">cct&#64;dispatch.concentric.net...</a>
&gt; On May 20th, my best friend since high school sat down in his recliner in
&gt; his Phoenix apartment and never woke up. Cause of death was &quot;cardiac
&gt; arrhythmia&quot;. He would have been 55 on June 19th.
&gt;
&gt; I flew to St. Louis on May 25th, and rented a car to drive to West
&gt; Burlington, Iowa for his funeral. That morning, my daughter drove me to
&gt; DIA. Keep in mind, while not a huge metropolis, the Denver metro is
&gt; spread over an area about 40 miles wide by 50 miles long, depending on
&gt; where you start measuring. The metro population is approx. 2.5MM, once
&gt; again, depending on which bedroom communities you choose to include.
&gt;
&gt; We pulled up to the stop light at Tower Road and 96th. I said to my
&gt; daughter, &quot;read the license plate on that truck!&quot; On the maroon colored
&gt; pickup directly in front of us was a license plate that read &quot;619 BYE&quot;! I
&gt; told her that June 19th was Bear's birthday. She was virtually
&gt; speechless, which is a rarity for my 24 year old daughter!
&gt;
&gt; Now, I realize that license plate is a legitimate plate on a late model
&gt; maroon pickup truck. I think it was a Ford, but it had one of those mesh
&gt; tailgates to allow the air to flow through. The question is, what put me,
&gt; at that moment, considering where I was going, behind that truck in a
&gt; geographic area the size of Denver?
&gt;
&gt; Don't tell me it just ends. This isn't the first time I've lost a very
&gt; close friend way too early in life, and it's not the first time something
&gt; like this has happened to me.
&gt;
&gt; --
&gt; Bob Johnson, Denver/Thornton, Co.
&gt; <a href="mailto:bobj&#64;cris.com" target="_blank">bobj&#64;cris.com</a>
&gt;

Bob:
These things happen. While nowhere near your experience on the poignancy
scale, something similar happened several years ago that caused me to ask
the same question. My daughter had just finished competing in a rhythmic
gymnastics regional competition in Syracuse and qualified for the Junior
Olympics. We were instructed to stay after the competition so the
organizers could give us info on the JO. They told us that it would be held
on such and such a date in Tukwila Washington? As we were leaving, we
chuckled, Tuh- what? We had never heard of this Seattle suburb. Passing
through the Albany area, we were channel surfing the radio. We hit a
call-in show, and heard the announcer say, &quot;Now on the phone, Joe Shigotz
from Tukwila Washington.&quot; My wife and I looked at each other and she said
to me, &quot;What are the odds?&quot; Being the engineer, I said, &quot;100 percent.&quot;
Still, it stands out as a moment that I won't forget. Coincidences can
cover the full range, from something like your experience to something where
you meet somebody who knows somebody who knows your cousin in Oshkosh.

Please accept my sympathy in your loss. Indeed, too young.
Roger

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#5: Re: OT - What's it all about?

Posted on 2006-07-14 02:19:16 by Dan White

&quot;Bob Johnson&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:bobj&#64;cris.com" target="_blank">bobj&#64;cris.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt; We pulled up to the stop light at Tower Road and 96th. I said to my
&gt; daughter, &quot;read the license plate on that truck!&quot; On the maroon colored
&gt; pickup directly in front of us was a license plate that read &quot;619 BYE&quot;! I
&gt; told her that June 19th was Bear's birthday. She was virtually
speechless,
&gt; which is a rarity for my 24 year old daughter!
&gt;

Everyone in my family has experienced odd coincidences such as this. In
fact, we've seen it to such an extreme degree that it has become almost a
hobby to look out for them. My parents spent a whole weekend trip in which
things like this happened over and over during the weekend. The trip was a
meaningful visit back to my mother's home town in which she was trying to
answer some unanswered questions from her youth. My father wrote a report
on the trip and all the strange things that happened.

Here's another weird thing that made us all turn white. My brother's best
friend, who was close with my mother, is a computer engineer and obviously
knows computers inside and out. His PC clock and date froze up at 9:31 pm,
April 8, 1996. This was the exact minute of my mother's death. I had a
computer 1500 miles away that did the same thing, except the time wasn't
exact. I don't remember the time it recorded exactly, but it did stop on
April 8. There were numerous other weird things we all experienced. Things
like this also happened when my brother died back in 1982. I think if you
look for the &quot;coincidences&quot; around the time of a death, you can see some
amazing things.

It's not just that that truck was in front of you. You had to look at it
and make the connection, too.

Personally, I think these things are great. They are personal events,
though, and no atheist would ever be convinced to change his mind based on
these &quot;anecdotes.&quot; When it happens to you, though, it hits home much
harder.

Regards,
dwhite

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#6: Re: OT - What's it all about?

Posted on 2006-07-14 02:43:04 by ratchet1957

Dan White wrote:

&gt; &quot;Bob Johnson&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:bobj&#64;cris.com" target="_blank">bobj&#64;cris.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:e94jab$<a href="mailto:cct&#64;dispatch.concentric.net..." target="_blank">cct&#64;dispatch.concentric.net...</a>
&gt;
&gt;&gt;We pulled up to the stop light at Tower Road and 96th. I said to my
&gt;&gt;daughter, &quot;read the license plate on that truck!&quot; On the maroon colored
&gt;&gt;pickup directly in front of us was a license plate that read &quot;619 BYE&quot;! I
&gt;&gt;told her that June 19th was Bear's birthday. She was virtually
&gt;
&gt; speechless,
&gt;
&gt;&gt;which is a rarity for my 24 year old daughter!
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Everyone in my family has experienced odd coincidences such as this. In
&gt; fact, we've seen it to such an extreme degree that it has become almost a
&gt; hobby to look out for them. My parents spent a whole weekend trip in which
&gt; things like this happened over and over during the weekend. The trip was a
&gt; meaningful visit back to my mother's home town in which she was trying to
&gt; answer some unanswered questions from her youth. My father wrote a report
&gt; on the trip and all the strange things that happened.
&gt;
&gt; Here's another weird thing that made us all turn white. My brother's best
&gt; friend, who was close with my mother, is a computer engineer and obviously
&gt; knows computers inside and out. His PC clock and date froze up at 9:31 pm,
&gt; April 8, 1996. This was the exact minute of my mother's death. I had a
&gt; computer 1500 miles away that did the same thing, except the time wasn't
&gt; exact. I don't remember the time it recorded exactly, but it did stop on
&gt; April 8. There were numerous other weird things we all experienced. Things
&gt; like this also happened when my brother died back in 1982. I think if you
&gt; look for the &quot;coincidences&quot; around the time of a death, you can see some
&gt; amazing things.
&gt;
&gt; It's not just that that truck was in front of you. You had to look at it
&gt; and make the connection, too.
&gt;
&gt; Personally, I think these things are great. They are personal events,
&gt; though, and no atheist would ever be convinced to change his mind based on
&gt; these &quot;anecdotes.&quot; When it happens to you, though, it hits home much
&gt; harder.
&gt;
&gt; Regards,
&gt; dwhite
&gt;
&gt;

I get a lot of deja vu' occurrences where something out of the blue
happens and can at times be pretty disconcerting to me !

Tom S. - All over again !

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#7: Re: OT - What's it all about?

Posted on 2006-07-14 06:30:06 by Dean Boulding

Roger Orsulak wrote:

&gt; Bob:
&gt; These things happen. While nowhere near your experience on the poignancy
&gt; scale, something similar happened several years ago that caused me to ask
&gt; the same question. My daughter had just finished competing in a rhythmic
&gt; gymnastics regional competition in Syracuse and qualified for the Junior
&gt; Olympics. We were instructed to stay after the competition so the
&gt; organizers could give us info on the JO. They told us that it would be held
&gt; on such and such a date in Tukwila Washington? As we were leaving, we
&gt; chuckled, Tuh- what? We had never heard of this Seattle suburb. Passing
&gt; through the Albany area, we were channel surfing the radio. We hit a
&gt; call-in show, and heard the announcer say, &quot;Now on the phone, Joe Shigotz
&gt; from Tukwila Washington.&quot; My wife and I looked at each other and she said
&gt; to me, &quot;What are the odds?&quot; Being the engineer, I said, &quot;100 percent.&quot;
&gt; Still, it stands out as a moment that I won't forget. Coincidences can
&gt; cover the full range, from something like your experience to something where
&gt; you meet somebody who knows somebody who knows your cousin in Oshkosh.
&gt;
&gt; Please accept my sympathy in your loss. Indeed, too young.
&gt; Roger

I think these things do happen to us from time to time, and we remember
them more, obviously, if one of the events is important to us. Jung
coined a word (later used by the Police) &quot;synchonicity.&quot; He defined it
as: &quot;temporally coincident occurrences of acausal events&quot; which is a
mouthful even in English. I can't imagine it in German (one 46-sylable
word?), which is probably why he thought a new word was needed.

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#8: Re: OT - What's it all about?

Posted on 2006-07-14 08:10:45 by Jal

My condolences as well.

If anyone wants to explore this subject further, you might try Arthur
Koestler's &quot;The Roots of Coincidence&quot;. I haven't but I did read his
&quot;The Case of the Midwife Toad&quot; a long time ago. Although I don't put
much stock in these ideas, he's an interesting writer and sort of a
guilty pleasure. Until the mind/matter relationship is understood, who
knows.

Jim

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#9: Re: OT - What's it all about?

Posted on 2006-07-14 16:09:50 by David The Hamster Malone

Dan White wrote:

&gt; Personally, I think these things are great. They are personal events,
&gt; though, and no atheist would ever be convinced to change his mind based on
&gt; these &quot;anecdotes.&quot;

As an atheist, I wonder why anyone would think a coincidence would
change my mind (about what by the way?)

As a child, my mother often said I had inherited the 'evil eye' which
apparently runs in the family (lots of witches, etc. in the family
tree). For example, if a kid did something nasty to me and then ran
away, invariably they would trip and hurt themselves or run into a tree
or something. Coincidence? Maybe.

Many times when I was in the school library and wanted to look up a
word in the dictionary or a reference in an encyclopedia, I would open
up the massive tome at random and find I was already on the right page.
Weird, eh?

Another example, when my mother was visiting us in Canada and my father
was back in the UK, she suddenly stopped in her tracks one day and
said, &quot;Your father is in trouble, I have to go home...&quot; It was all we
could do to stop her going to the airport and flying back home that
day. We got on the 'phone and the family assured us everything was OK,
and my Dad was at the pub. In actual fact he wasn't at the pub, his
neck had been broken in a mugging incident, he was partially paralyzed,
and he had been rushed to the hospital.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of
in your philosphy.

David &quot;The evil-eye Hamster&quot; Malone

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#10: Re: OT - What's it all about?

Posted on 2006-07-15 01:57:45 by Dan White

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&gt;
&gt; Dan White wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Personally, I think these things are great. They are personal events,
&gt; &gt; though, and no atheist would ever be convinced to change his mind based
on
&gt; &gt; these &quot;anecdotes.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; As an atheist, I wonder why anyone would think a coincidence would
&gt; change my mind (about what by the way?)

&quot;Coincidence&quot; might or might not be the right word for these phenomena, but
you know what I mean, I think. &quot;The changing an atheist's mind&quot; part was
about opening up to the possibility that there is more after death than just
pushing up daisies -- an afterlife in other words.

&gt;
&gt; As a child, my mother often said I had inherited the 'evil eye' which
&gt; apparently runs in the family (lots of witches, etc. in the family
&gt; tree). For example, if a kid did something nasty to me and then ran
&gt; away, invariably they would trip and hurt themselves or run into a tree
&gt; or something. Coincidence? Maybe.
&gt;
&gt; Many times when I was in the school library and wanted to look up a
&gt; word in the dictionary or a reference in an encyclopedia, I would open
&gt; up the massive tome at random and find I was already on the right page.
&gt; Weird, eh?
&gt;
&gt; Another example, when my mother was visiting us in Canada and my father
&gt; was back in the UK, she suddenly stopped in her tracks one day and
&gt; said, &quot;Your father is in trouble, I have to go home...&quot; It was all we
&gt; could do to stop her going to the airport and flying back home that
&gt; day. We got on the 'phone and the family assured us everything was OK,
&gt; and my Dad was at the pub. In actual fact he wasn't at the pub, his
&gt; neck had been broken in a mugging incident, he was partially paralyzed,
&gt; and he had been rushed to the hospital.
&gt;
&gt; There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of
&gt; in your philosphy.

I'm not sure by the above if you are trivializing the stream of &quot;impossible&quot;
events that sometimes surround the death of a loved one. Reading the word
&quot;plutonium&quot; online at the same time you hear it on the TV isn't the kind of
thing I was talking about. You can convict a defendant on circumstantial
evidence if you have enough of it. If it appears a loved one who just died
is trying to communicate with you (or whatever the events mean), and you
have several bits of circumstantial evidence, it should make an objective
person open to that possibility. In my experience, as I said originally,
atheists I've known already seem to know they are right about everything and
so reject evidence they don't understand as random coincidence. Like I said
it is a personal thing that I don't think translates well in a discussion.
You have an electronic clock stop for no apparent technical reason the
minute and day your mother dies and it makes your heart jump. Add to that
other &quot;ususual&quot; events and you'd have to be trying NOT to see what is in
front of your eyes.

OK, we all know hamsters don't go to heaven, so you're forgiven for feeling
left out of the party. :)

dwhite

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#11: Re: OT - What's it all about?

Posted on 2006-07-15 06:03:24 by pltrgyst

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:57:45 -0400, &quot;Dan White&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dwhite300&#64;comcast.net" target="_blank">dwhite300&#64;comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;OK, we all know hamsters don't go to heaven, so you're forgiven for feeling
&gt;left out of the party. :)

<a href="http://www.hamsterheaven.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.hamsterheaven.co.uk/</a>

-- Larry

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#12: Re: OT - What's it all about?

Posted on 2006-07-15 14:42:15 by Dan White

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&gt; On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:57:45 -0400, &quot;Dan White&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dwhite300&#64;comcast.net" target="_blank">dwhite300&#64;comcast.net</a>&gt;
wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;OK, we all know hamsters don't go to heaven, so you're forgiven for
feeling
&gt; &gt;left out of the party. :)
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.hamsterheaven.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.hamsterheaven.co.uk/</a>
&gt;
&gt; -- Larry
&gt;

I stand corrected.

dwhite

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