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#1: Boks, ha,ha,ha!

Posted on 2006-07-16 14:35:20 by ferdinand68

Important things first: Congratulations to Australia. Tha Wallabies was
a grand team yesterday, allmost flawless. They played with passion and
above all intelligence and, most importantly, with cohesion.

They were actually more than 49 points better than the Boks.

But I am South African, so I speak about the Boks, Enough (and
deserved) praises for the Aussie players will come from their own
supporters.

I am stuck with the Boks. And their coach, sadly, another episode of
"and their coach" (what is it that the Welsh have said? - their Bus
because he sure as hell is looking less and less like a coach).

The Boks were as crap as the Aussies were good. The Boks were probably
the worst Bok team I have seen since the 1974 Boks were taken apart 3
times in a row by the Lions.

What the fuck were they doing? What sort of team did they regard
themselves as? A running team? A scrumming team? A Forward based team?
A kicking team? Fuck knows. They were none. They had the skills of a
third string club team out in the boendoes.
They cannot pass, they cannot catch, they cannot kick, they cannot run,
they cannot tackle... they giggle when they lose...

About a month ago here in SA David Campese said the Aussies are going
to beat the Boks because the Boks has crap skills and their back play
is shit. The Bok backline bus, Alistair Coetsee, blew an artery and
pompously "took Campese to task" and pointed out that the Boks
backlike is actually very good.

Well, Alistair, it is now proven, heh?

To sum it all up: The Bok forwards looked a hell of a lot like the
Stormers forwards and their backline looked a hell of a lot like the
Cats backline. Er... the Boks forwards bus is the Stormers' bus and
ditto for the Cats backline bus - one AlistairCoetsee.

And then some things has to be said: 1. The following players should be
discarded - Percy (he is after all these years still crap under the
high ball and everybody knows it by now) 2. Bryan Habana (shit, that
guy is one scared wing... plus he has no other skills but running
straight!) Wynand Olivier (left that huge gap for the Aussie inside
centre. The man can actually tackle, put part of defence is being in
the right place to execute your tackle...) 3. Jaco. (He is a better
full back and two years in Japan did not prepare him for test rugby.)
4. Fourie du Preez and Erico January (they are just crap no 9's with
January apparently thinking he can make up for a lack of form by doing
dirty tricks) 5. For God's sake reshuffle the loose trio. (They are
looking like a 1300 Volkswagen pinging like crazy) 6. Matfield (he must
- it seems - from time to time be reminded that it actually is an
honour to play for his country and that he must, in return, take to the
task with passion and some humility) 7. Os. (Shame, he is struggling.)
8. ...er.....John Smit. (What is he doing in the team apart from being
the captain?)


This coming Saturday they will lose again. But the margin will probably
not be as big as they will be humbled now and play with more
application, and they are actually (in term of talent) not 50 point
worse than the AB's.

Then they will point to "being competative away from home blah blah
blah on the way up blah blah much can be taken from this game blah
blah blah" but they will be the same stupid team playing dumb rugby.
But a more unbalanced team this year than last. And an older one.

And Jake, I am afraid it is probably all over for you. Do you deserve
it? I am not so sure that you do, but you did stupid things. You
actually threatened to "go on strike" if you did not get a better
contract - and then your team lost badly the against French at home
the next day. And then you were/are so fucking pig headed about
picking players and excluding new ones that you set yourself up against
the rugby following public. And the team is in the end not your
property, you know...

Oh yes, gotta mention this: One of the only backs that looked like
something yesterday on Bok side was Ndungane. Remember him Jake? That
was the wing you refused to pick a month ago because you said he is too
slow to play for the Boks...

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#2: Re: Boks, ha,ha,ha!

Posted on 2006-07-16 20:07:33 by Erik Jakobs

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&gt; Important things first: Congratulations to Australia. Tha Wallabies was
&gt; a grand team yesterday, allmost flawless. They played with passion and
&gt; above all intelligence and, most importantly, with cohesion.
&gt;
&gt; They were actually more than 49 points better than the Boks.
&gt;
&gt; But I am South African, so I speak about the Boks, Enough (and
&gt; deserved) praises for the Aussie players will come from their own
&gt; supporters.
&gt;
&gt; I am stuck with the Boks. And their coach, sadly, another episode of
&gt; &quot;and their coach&quot; (what is it that the Welsh have said? - their Bus
&gt; because he sure as hell is looking less and less like a coach).
&gt;
&gt; The Boks were as crap as the Aussies were good. The Boks were probably
&gt; the worst Bok team I have seen since the 1974 Boks were taken apart 3
&gt; times in a row by the Lions.
&gt;
&gt; What the fuck were they doing? What sort of team did they regard
&gt; themselves as? A running team? A scrumming team? A Forward based team?
&gt; A kicking team? Fuck knows. They were none. They had the skills of a
&gt; third string club team out in the boendoes.
&gt; They cannot pass, they cannot catch, they cannot kick, they cannot run,
&gt; they cannot tackle... they giggle when they lose...
&gt;
&gt; About a month ago here in SA David Campese said the Aussies are going
&gt; to beat the Boks because the Boks has crap skills and their back play
&gt; is shit. The Bok backline bus, Alistair Coetsee, blew an artery and
&gt; pompously &quot;took Campese to task&quot; and pointed out that the Boks
&gt; backlike is actually very good.
&gt;
&gt; Well, Alistair, it is now proven, heh?
&gt;
&gt; To sum it all up: The Bok forwards looked a hell of a lot like the
&gt; Stormers forwards and their backline looked a hell of a lot like the
&gt; Cats backline. Er... the Boks forwards bus is the Stormers' bus and
&gt; ditto for the Cats backline bus - one AlistairCoetsee.
&gt;
&gt; And then some things has to be said: 1. The following players should be
&gt; discarded - Percy (he is after all these years still crap under the
&gt; high ball and everybody knows it by now) 2. Bryan Habana (shit, that
&gt; guy is one scared wing... plus he has no other skills but running
&gt; straight!) Wynand Olivier (left that huge gap for the Aussie inside
&gt; centre. The man can actually tackle, put part of defence is being in
&gt; the right place to execute your tackle...) 3. Jaco. (He is a better
&gt; full back and two years in Japan did not prepare him for test rugby.)
&gt; 4. Fourie du Preez and Erico January (they are just crap no 9's with
&gt; January apparently thinking he can make up for a lack of form by doing
&gt; dirty tricks) 5. For God's sake reshuffle the loose trio. (They are
&gt; looking like a 1300 Volkswagen pinging like crazy) 6. Matfield (he must
&gt; - it seems - from time to time be reminded that it actually is an
&gt; honour to play for his country and that he must, in return, take to the
&gt; task with passion and some humility) 7. Os. (Shame, he is struggling.)
&gt; 8. ...er.....John Smit. (What is he doing in the team apart from being
&gt; the captain?)
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; This coming Saturday they will lose again. But the margin will probably
&gt; not be as big as they will be humbled now and play with more
&gt; application, and they are actually (in term of talent) not 50 point
&gt; worse than the AB's.
&gt;
&gt; Then they will point to &quot;being competative away from home blah blah
&gt; blah on the way up blah blah much can be taken from this game blah
&gt; blah blah&quot; but they will be the same stupid team playing dumb rugby.
&gt; But a more unbalanced team this year than last. And an older one.
&gt;
&gt; And Jake, I am afraid it is probably all over for you. Do you deserve
&gt; it? I am not so sure that you do, but you did stupid things. You
&gt; actually threatened to &quot;go on strike&quot; if you did not get a better
&gt; contract - and then your team lost badly the against French at home
&gt; the next day. And then you were/are so fucking pig headed about
&gt; picking players and excluding new ones that you set yourself up against
&gt; the rugby following public. And the team is in the end not your
&gt; property, you know...
&gt;
&gt; Oh yes, gotta mention this: One of the only backs that looked like
&gt; something yesterday on Bok side was Ndungane. Remember him Jake? That
&gt; was the wing you refused to pick a month ago because you said he is too
&gt; slow to play for the Boks...
&gt;

Yer, fifty points must hurt, makes you want to go out and klap somebody, but
its time for SA rugby (and maybe SA as a whole) to go out and reinvent it's
self.

What do I mean? Well for a start forget the politics, oom this and that is
not going to fix rugby any more, not in the modern game, so don't whine
about the admin people.

As for quotas, there are no silver bullets, play CJ for Andrews, what's his
face for January, Russell for Habana and whatever, but will that add value?

In fact it has nothing to do with the coach or the players - you can replace
any of them and the only improvement would be players who will play for each
other.

The root cause of poor bok performances is that first class rugby in SA is
devoid of a creative rugby brains and the ability to pick and develop talent
without prejudice.

Everyone's raving about Luke, yer, he maybe a talent for the future, but the
WP performances, much as I enjoyed them, are against under strength teams
and nothing less than a jumped up under 21 gees performance.

When it comes to the step up SA teams have nothing more to offer than a rush
defense. Witness the S14, blood and guts only gets you so far...

How do the aussies field an ordinary pack and win by 49 points?

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#3: Re: Boks, ha,ha,ha!

Posted on 2006-07-17 00:42:36 by Will_S

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&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:ferdinand68&#64;absamail.co.za" target="_blank">ferdinand68&#64;absamail.co.za</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt; How do the aussies field an ordinary pack and win by 49 points?
&gt;


Well the scrum may be ordinary but otherwise its quite a good pack of
forwards that Australia has

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#4: Re: Boks, ha,ha,ha!

Posted on 2006-07-17 00:45:48 by Will_S

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&gt; Important things first: Congratulations to Australia. Tha Wallabies was
&gt; a grand team yesterday, allmost flawless. They played with passion and
&gt; above all intelligence and, most importantly, with cohesion.
&gt;
&gt; They were actually more than 49 points better than the Boks.


Kiwis, please take a lesson from Ferdi


Ferdi, if the Boks control the ball better they will compete but if they
keep giving up the ball then they are in for a long tri-nations. I think the
Boks will get better and the results will improve but this may not be good
as changes then wont happen

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#5: Re: Boks, ha,ha,ha!

Posted on 2006-07-17 00:51:12 by Rick Boyd

Will_S wrote:


&gt; Well the scrum may be ordinary but otherwise its quite a good pack of
&gt; forwards that Australia has

It's fucking amazing, isn't it? One week and how everything changes.

Even the poms stuffed you up front, William. How the hell have you got a
good pack?

You've got one world class forward -- Smith (and he's Tongan).

And that's it.

-- rick boyd

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#6: Re: Boks, ha,ha,ha!

Posted on 2006-07-17 01:31:57 by Rick Boyd

Will_S wrote:
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:ferdinand68&#64;absamail.co.za" target="_blank">ferdinand68&#64;absamail.co.za</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt;&gt;Important things first: Congratulations to Australia. Tha Wallabies was
&gt;&gt;a grand team yesterday, allmost flawless. They played with passion and
&gt;&gt;above all intelligence and, most importantly, with cohesion.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;They were actually more than 49 points better than the Boks.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Kiwis, please take a lesson from Ferdi

Aussies could learn a lot more.

You will note how South Africans generally talk themselves down and the
opposition up, rather than the other way around as Australians do.

This makes them look modest when they win and generous when they lose.
And as you have just demonstrated, William, it puts the onus on the
opposition to be magnanimous in defeat and humble in victory.

Rather than boastful in victory and bitter in defeat.

But I doubt you'll learn anything by this.

-- rick boyd

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#7: Re: Boks, ha,ha,ha!

Posted on 2006-07-17 01:52:44 by Will_S

&quot;rick boyd&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:boyd&#64;comswest.net.au" target="_blank">boyd&#64;comswest.net.au</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Will_S wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Well the scrum may be ordinary but otherwise its quite a good pack of
&gt;&gt; forwards that Australia has
&gt;
&gt; It's fucking amazing, isn't it? One week and how everything changes.
&gt;
&gt; Even the poms stuffed you up front, William. How the hell have you got a
&gt; good pack?
&gt;
&gt; You've got one world class forward -- Smith (and he's Tongan).
&gt;
&gt; And that's it.
&gt;
&gt; -- rick boyd

And you are full of shit like usual


The scrum was ordinary but lets look at the rest :

lineouts ... can hold their own against any side

rucks/mauls .. are just behind the AB but can just about hold their own
against any other side

defence .... nothing wrong there

mobility ... nothing wrong there

And if you want to mention where players are born then go and have a look at
your mighty AB's which are never beaten by a side but only lose through
their non-performance

Your credibility has been dying a slow death lately and with posts like your
previous rigor mortis is just around the corner

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#8: Re: Boks, ha,ha,ha!

Posted on 2006-07-17 01:54:21 by Will_S

&quot;rick boyd&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:boyd&#64;comswest.net.au" target="_blank">boyd&#64;comswest.net.au</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Will_S wrote:
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:ferdinand68&#64;absamail.co.za" target="_blank">ferdinand68&#64;absamail.co.za</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Important things first: Congratulations to Australia. Tha Wallabies was
&gt;&gt;&gt;a grand team yesterday, allmost flawless. They played with passion and
&gt;&gt;&gt;above all intelligence and, most importantly, with cohesion.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;They were actually more than 49 points better than the Boks.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Kiwis, please take a lesson from Ferdi
&gt;
&gt; Aussies could learn a lot more.


Actually just did a quick cut and didnt read below this sentence ( well
really no need to read as Boydie is predictable as Matua ) .

RB = FOS

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#9: Re: Boks, ha,ha,ha!

Posted on 2006-07-17 01:59:28 by DaveXXL

In article &lt;44bacc74$<a href="mailto:1&#64;quokka.wn.com.au" target="_blank">1&#64;quokka.wn.com.au</a>&gt;, <a href="mailto:boyd&#64;comswest.net.au" target="_blank">boyd&#64;comswest.net.au</a> says...
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Will_S wrote:
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:ferdinand68&#64;absamail.co.za" target="_blank">ferdinand68&#64;absamail.co.za</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Important things first: Congratulations to Australia. Tha Wallabies was
&gt;&gt;&gt;a grand team yesterday, allmost flawless. They played with passion and
&gt;&gt;&gt;above all intelligence and, most importantly, with cohesion.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;They were actually more than 49 points better than the Boks.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Kiwis, please take a lesson from Ferdi

It's no use, Will. It is the lot in life of the kiwis in here to denigrate
Oz endlessly. They see it as their cultural duty.

To tar all Australians with the same brush, regardless of fact or truth.

For instance if some loon in rugbyheaven wanks on about an Oz victory, it
means automatically *all* Australians are equally as absurd and boastful
in victory.

Or to make rubbish claims like they are the whole truth and nothing but
the truth - see for example the NZ claim that the ref's performance in
Brisbane will not get a mention in the Oz media - proven wrong on Sunday.

But we wont let the truth get in the way of our cultural crusade, wont we
....

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#10: Re: Boks, ha,ha,ha!

Posted on 2006-07-17 02:29:50 by Rick Boyd

Will_S wrote:

&gt; Actually just did a quick cut and didnt read below this sentence ( well
&gt; really no need to read as Boydie is predictable as Matua ) .

But still felt the need to reply.

Odd.

-- rick boyd

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#11: Re: Boks, ha,ha,ha!

Posted on 2006-07-17 02:31:49 by Will_S

&quot;rick boyd&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:boyd&#64;comswest.net.au" target="_blank">boyd&#64;comswest.net.au</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Will_S wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Actually just did a quick cut and didnt read below this sentence ( well
&gt;&gt; really no need to read as Boydie is predictable as Matua ) .
&gt;
&gt; But still felt the need to reply.
&gt;
&gt; Odd.
&gt;
&gt; -- rick boyd

Well anyone with any intelligence can figure it out but since its you I had
better tell you.

The message was simple.....you are becoming boring

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#12: Re: Boks, ha,ha,ha!

Posted on 2006-07-17 03:01:20 by richard.raudon

x-no-archive:yes
&gt;
&gt; It's no use, Will. It is the lot in life of the kiwis in here to denigrate
&gt; Oz endlessly. They see it as their cultural duty.
&gt;
&gt; To tar all Australians with the same brush, regardless of fact or truth.
&gt;
&gt; For instance if some loon in rugbyheaven wanks on about an Oz victory, it
&gt; means automatically *all* Australians are equally as absurd and boastful
&gt; in victory.
&gt;
&gt; Or to make rubbish claims like they are the whole truth and nothing but
&gt; the truth - see for example the NZ claim that the ref's performance in
&gt; Brisbane will not get a mention in the Oz media - proven wrong on Sunday.
&gt;
&gt; But we wont let the truth get in the way of our cultural crusade, wont we..

&quot;It is the lot in life of the kiwis in here&quot;....
&quot;to tar all Australians with the same brush, regardless of fact or
truth.&quot;

hold on, aren't you tarring us Kiwis with the same brush?

fwiw: the following relationships between countries and places holds
the same one-sided rivalry as New Zealand vs Australia.

Otago vs Canterbury.
Nth Harbour vs Auckland.
South Island vs North Island.
Rest of NZ vs Auckland.
Tasmania vs mainland Australia.
Victoria vs New South Wales.
Taiwan vs China.
Zimbabwe vs South Africa.
Newfoundland vs Canada.
Canada vs America.
Australia vs America.
Australia vs England.
Ireland vs England.

Wherever there are 2 places that are in close proximity, where one
holds a clear size, economic, or sporting advantage, there is a
one-sided rivalry felt by the smaller party.

I laugh every time I hear about NZers having a chip on their shoulder,
because it's so hypocritical. The NZ - Aus rivalry pales in
insignificance next to the Aus - Engl one.

But hey, I'm not one to get in the way of your cultural crusade...just
pointing it out is all...

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#13: Re: Boks, ha,ha,ha!

Posted on 2006-07-17 03:01:20 by Will_S

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&gt; x-no-archive:yes
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; It's no use, Will. It is the lot in life of the kiwis in here to
&gt;&gt; denigrate
&gt;&gt; Oz endlessly. They see it as their cultural duty.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; To tar all Australians with the same brush, regardless of fact or truth.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; For instance if some loon in rugbyheaven wanks on about an Oz victory, it
&gt;&gt; means automatically *all* Australians are equally as absurd and boastful
&gt;&gt; in victory.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Or to make rubbish claims like they are the whole truth and nothing but
&gt;&gt; the truth - see for example the NZ claim that the ref's performance in
&gt;&gt; Brisbane will not get a mention in the Oz media - proven wrong on Sunday.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; But we wont let the truth get in the way of our cultural crusade, wont
&gt;&gt; we..
&gt;
&gt; &quot;It is the lot in life of the kiwis in here&quot;....
&gt; &quot;to tar all Australians with the same brush, regardless of fact or
&gt; truth.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; hold on, aren't you tarring us Kiwis with the same brush?

Yes he is but in fairness the majority of Kiwis in this group would pretty
much fit the bill

&gt;
&gt; fwiw: the following relationships between countries and places holds
&gt; the same one-sided rivalry as New Zealand vs Australia.
&gt;
&gt; Otago vs Canterbury.
&gt; Nth Harbour vs Auckland.
&gt; South Island vs North Island.
&gt; Rest of NZ vs Auckland.
&gt; Tasmania vs mainland Australia.
&gt; Victoria vs New South Wales.
&gt; Taiwan vs China.
&gt; Zimbabwe vs South Africa.
&gt; Newfoundland vs Canada.
&gt; Canada vs America.
&gt; Australia vs America.
&gt; Australia vs England.
&gt; Ireland vs England.
&gt;
&gt; Wherever there are 2 places that are in close proximity, where one
&gt; holds a clear size, economic, or sporting advantage, there is a
&gt; one-sided rivalry felt by the smaller party.
&gt;
&gt; I laugh every time I hear about NZers having a chip on their shoulder,
&gt; because it's so hypocritical. The NZ - Aus rivalry pales in
&gt; insignificance next to the Aus - Engl one.

Yes and no, it used to be but there are not many sports they kick our butts
in any more and with the influx of migrants from elsewhere it applies less
and less. In Rugby the team to beat always will be the AB's, in cricket now
the India v Aust rivalry will soon be the main one and in most other sports
there are no real rivalries between England and Australia

&gt;
&gt; But hey, I'm not one to get in the way of your cultural crusade...just
&gt; pointing it out is all...
&gt;

No problems at all

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#14: Re: Boks, ha,ha,ha!

Posted on 2006-07-17 03:01:20 by Rick Boyd

Will_S wrote:


&gt; Well anyone with any intelligence can figure it out but since its you I had
&gt; better tell you.

Why, when you have just stated that you can't figure it out yourself?


&gt; The message was simple.....you are becoming boring

Oh, I can tell, by the way I keep reeling you in like an enraged
sardine.

-- rick boyd

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#15: Re: Boks, ha,ha,ha!

Posted on 2006-07-17 03:01:20 by richard.raudon

x-no-archive:yes

&gt; &gt; &quot;It is the lot in life of the kiwis in here&quot;....
&gt; &gt; &quot;to tar all Australians with the same brush, regardless of fact or
&gt; &gt; truth.&quot;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; hold on, aren't you tarring us Kiwis with the same brush?
&gt;
&gt; Yes he is but in fairness the majority of Kiwis in this group would pretty
&gt; much fit the bill

the vocal ones, yes, the trolls? Nope.

I enjoy watching sport regardless of who is playing; if it's Australia
vs another country I tend to support Australia unless the team fields
some of the pecularily American-seeming sportspeople who are cropping
up here and there in Australian sports (trash-talking, strutting,
carrying egos larger than their bank balances), or the other team is a
total underdog.

Watching the Boomers go down to NZ, for instance, was particularily
satisfying.

Watching the Socceroos go down to Italia, by comparison, was not.

Watching the game on Saturday: a thrilling spectacle where a classy,
classy team bounced back from a defeat to win convincingly. Absolutely
vintage Wallaby rugby. The only way it could have improved is if the
Boks had got up and scored a couple of consolation tries.

&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; fwiw: the following relationships between countries and places holds
&gt; &gt; the same one-sided rivalry as New Zealand vs Australia.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Otago vs Canterbury.
&gt; &gt; Nth Harbour vs Auckland.
&gt; &gt; South Island vs North Island.
&gt; &gt; Rest of NZ vs Auckland.
&gt; &gt; Tasmania vs mainland Australia.
&gt; &gt; Victoria vs New South Wales.
&gt; &gt; Taiwan vs China.
&gt; &gt; Zimbabwe vs South Africa.
&gt; &gt; Newfoundland vs Canada.
&gt; &gt; Canada vs America.
&gt; &gt; Australia vs America.
&gt; &gt; Australia vs England.
&gt; &gt; Ireland vs England.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Wherever there are 2 places that are in close proximity, where one
&gt; &gt; holds a clear size, economic, or sporting advantage, there is a
&gt; &gt; one-sided rivalry felt by the smaller party.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I laugh every time I hear about NZers having a chip on their shoulder,
&gt; &gt; because it's so hypocritical. The NZ - Aus rivalry pales in
&gt; &gt; insignificance next to the Aus - Engl one.
&gt;
&gt; Yes and no, it used to be but there are not many sports they kick our butts
&gt; in any more and with the influx of migrants from elsewhere it applies less
&gt; and less. In Rugby the team to beat always will be the AB's, in cricket now
&gt; the India v Aust rivalry will soon be the main one and in most other sports
&gt; there are no real rivalries between England and Australia

Well...personal experience would indicate that Aussies largely ignore
the NZ v Aus rivalry but love to wade into a bit of England-bashing
(sporting-wise). It may be just the Aussies I know, and as I don't live
in Australia it's not like this sample is representative of the entire
country.

&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; But hey, I'm not one to get in the way of your cultural crusade...just
&gt; &gt; pointing it out is all...
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; No problems at all

*sigh* I know. They had no problems in mopping the Springboks up. So
this Saturday, I'm going to a game where the ABs will be complacent and
the Springboks will have grown some fangs.

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