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#1: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-15 12:54:03 by willsutton

To put 100 on the Boks

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#2: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-15 13:02:55 by spizz

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&gt; To put 100 on the Boks
&gt;

LOL. Oh, you're serious?? Sorry.

One shit half ffs. A monumental shit half mind you and one that had to
happen if you ask me, but hopefully now Jake will have a good hard look at
himself and give his players a hand. It's hard to blame the men on the pitch
because they can only give their best, and if it isn't good enough then the
coach has to replace them.

The Boks must stop living on the back of the 3N win two years ago.

Spizz

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#3: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-15 13:20:53 by Rock2006

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&gt;&gt; To put 100 on the Boks
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; LOL. Oh, you're serious?? Sorry.
&gt;
&gt; One shit half ffs. A monumental shit half mind you and one that had to
&gt; happen if you ask me, but hopefully now Jake will have a good hard look at
&gt; himself and give his players a hand. It's hard to blame the men on the
&gt; pitch because they can only give their best, and if it isn't good enough
&gt; then the coach has to replace them.
&gt;
&gt; The Boks must stop living on the back of the 3N win two years ago.
&gt;
&gt; Spizz
&gt;

No the Boks must not miss tackles and drop so much pill.
and who does Jake white replace these players with hes already missing a lot
of front line players?

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#4: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-15 13:41:32 by spizz

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&gt;&gt;&gt; To put 100 on the Boks
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; LOL. Oh, you're serious?? Sorry.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; One shit half ffs. A monumental shit half mind you and one that had to
&gt;&gt; happen if you ask me, but hopefully now Jake will have a good hard look
&gt;&gt; at himself and give his players a hand. It's hard to blame the men on the
&gt;&gt; pitch because they can only give their best, and if it isn't good enough
&gt;&gt; then the coach has to replace them.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; The Boks must stop living on the back of the 3N win two years ago.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Spizz
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; No the Boks must not miss tackles and drop so much pill.
&gt; and who does Jake white replace these players with hes already missing a
&gt; lot of front line players?
&gt;

Sure there are players missing. Burger and Botha are a huge loss for
example. But his decision making recently has been erratic and nothing short
of curious. Continuity of selection only seems to apply to those who have
lost form for example. Jaco is woefully out of form and has had a shocker
today. but Bosman, who he brought through last year is out of the picture
and only called up as an afterthought. He wasn't part of the original squad
but hopefully he'll get some game time before his confidence goes.

And Solly, after a nightmare S14 campaign and a big dip in form, is
preferred to the form player in Watson, but van Niekerk gets the no 6 jersey
after playing so well at 8, and Spies is called to play no 8 for the first
time since school.

Chilliboy is called up to the squad, but Gary Botha is the man in form at
national level. Pienaar is a huge talent but Du Preez has been out of form
and looks to be a spent force.

Man, I'm not being an armchair expert, but an explanation would be nice
because Jake has some explaining to do. But instead he cocks a snoot at the
country and says he's doing it his way. It's hard to support him and he's
lost a lot of support even before today's display.

It's 42-0 at the moment and I'd like to know what his thinking was. It's not
much to ask.

Spizz

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#5: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-15 13:57:43 by Bobs

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&gt; &gt; To put 100 on the Boks
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; LOL. Oh, you're serious?? Sorry.
&gt;
&gt; One shit half ffs.

Make that two shit halves. Truely the most disgraceful performance I've
ever seen in the tri-nations. Absolutly smashed by a team that doesn't
even have a front row.

The boers better pull their socks up otherwise I'll start to wonder if
the Argentians should be in the 3N instead. On this performance, they
are going to get smashed again next weekend.

&gt;A monumental shit half mind you and one that had to
&gt; happen if you ask me, but hopefully now Jake will have a good hard look at
&gt; himself and give his players a hand. It's hard to blame the men on the pitch
&gt; because they can only give their best, and if it isn't good enough then the
&gt; coach has to replace them.
&gt;
&gt; The Boks must stop living on the back of the 3N win two years ago.
&gt;
&gt; Spizz

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#6: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-15 13:59:08 by Rock2006

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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; To put 100 on the Boks
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; LOL. Oh, you're serious?? Sorry.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; One shit half ffs. A monumental shit half mind you and one that had to
&gt;&gt;&gt; happen if you ask me, but hopefully now Jake will have a good hard look
&gt;&gt;&gt; at himself and give his players a hand. It's hard to blame the men on
&gt;&gt;&gt; the pitch because they can only give their best, and if it isn't good
&gt;&gt;&gt; enough then the coach has to replace them.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; The Boks must stop living on the back of the 3N win two years ago.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Spizz
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; No the Boks must not miss tackles and drop so much pill.
&gt;&gt; and who does Jake white replace these players with hes already missing a
&gt;&gt; lot of front line players?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Sure there are players missing. Burger and Botha are a huge loss for
&gt; example. But his decision making recently has been erratic and nothing
&gt; short of curious. Continuity of selection only seems to apply to those who
&gt; have lost form for example. Jaco is woefully out of form and has had a
&gt; shocker today. but Bosman, who he brought through last year is out of the
&gt; picture and only called up as an afterthought. He wasn't part of the
&gt; original squad but hopefully he'll get some game time before his
&gt; confidence goes.
&gt;
&gt; And Solly, after a nightmare S14 campaign and a big dip in form, is
&gt; preferred to the form player in Watson, but van Niekerk gets the no 6
&gt; jersey after playing so well at 8, and Spies is called to play no 8 for
&gt; the first time since school.
&gt;
&gt; Chilliboy is called up to the squad, but Gary Botha is the man in form at
&gt; national level. Pienaar is a huge talent but Du Preez has been out of form
&gt; and looks to be a spent force.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Man, I'm not being an armchair expert, but an explanation would be nice
&gt; because Jake has some explaining to do. But instead he cocks a snoot at
&gt; the country and says he's doing it his way. It's hard to support him and
&gt; he's lost a lot of support even before today's display.
&gt;
&gt; It's 42-0 at the moment and I'd like to know what his thinking was. It's
&gt; not much to ask.
&gt;
&gt; Spizz
&gt;

For sure it isn't. Good luck getting the answers.

Seemed to be somewhat of an attitude problem tonight as the Bok defence was
just woeful.
To be honest I am embarresed for the Boks I dont think I have ever seen them
play that bad.
Jaco was poor and Spies looked a bit out of his depth. All credit to
Australia though they
showed they no how to put a team playin poorly to the sword.

I expect (actually no I demand) that the Boks lift for the old foe next
week.

One thing is for sure there wont be any Australian coverage of the referees
performance this week.

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#7: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-15 14:00:56 by spizz

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&gt;&gt; &gt; To put 100 on the Boks
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; LOL. Oh, you're serious?? Sorry.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; One shit half ffs.
&gt;
&gt; Make that two shit halves. Truely the most disgraceful performance I've
&gt; ever seen in the tri-nations. Absolutly smashed by a team that doesn't
&gt; even have a front row.

Yep, I spoke too soon. What a shocker.

&gt;
&gt; The boers better pull their socks up otherwise I'll start to wonder if
&gt; the Argentians should be in the 3N instead. On this performance, they
&gt; are going to get smashed again next weekend.
&gt;

I think I'll take back the 100 point denial.

Spizz

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#8: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-15 14:01:49 by Will_S

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&gt; One thing is for sure there wont be any Australian coverage of the
&gt; referees performance this week.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;


want a bet

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#9: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-15 14:03:19 by Rock2006

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&gt;&gt; One thing is for sure there wont be any Australian coverage of the
&gt;&gt; referees performance this week.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; want a bet
&gt;

Maybe from you .. but not in the Medai

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#10: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-15 14:06:39 by Bobs

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&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; To put 100 on the Boks
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; LOL. Oh, you're serious?? Sorry.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; One shit half ffs.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Make that two shit halves. Truely the most disgraceful performance I've
&gt; &gt; ever seen in the tri-nations. Absolutly smashed by a team that doesn't
&gt; &gt; even have a front row.
&gt;
&gt; Yep, I spoke too soon. What a shocker.

Too much politics in South African rugby, and too much loyalty. Some of
these older players should have been cut years ago. There's no team
unity at all, from what I can see. They are really in trouble of
getting some big hidings in this tournament. One wonders if beating
the AB's in Durban last year was actually a good thing for the team.
Maybe if they lost that too, tongihts team may have fielded quite a few
different players.

&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; The boers better pull their socks up otherwise I'll start to wonder if
&gt; &gt; the Argentians should be in the 3N instead. On this performance, they
&gt; &gt; are going to get smashed again next weekend.
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; I think I'll take back the 100 point denial.
&gt;
&gt; Spizz

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#11: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-15 14:07:42 by Will_S

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&gt;&gt;&gt; One thing is for sure there wont be any Australian coverage of the
&gt;&gt;&gt; referees performance this week.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; want a bet
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Maybe from you .. but not in the Medai
&gt;
&gt;

ok from a neutral what is your take on the ref's performance


My opinion is that SA made it quite easy for him because the breakdown was
not contested

SA lost the match due to their poor ball retention in the first 20 minutes

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#12: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-15 14:15:21 by spizz

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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; To put 100 on the Boks
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; LOL. Oh, you're serious?? Sorry.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; One shit half ffs. A monumental shit half mind you and one that had to
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; happen if you ask me, but hopefully now Jake will have a good hard look
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; at himself and give his players a hand. It's hard to blame the men on
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the pitch because they can only give their best, and if it isn't good
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; enough then the coach has to replace them.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The Boks must stop living on the back of the 3N win two years ago.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Spizz
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; No the Boks must not miss tackles and drop so much pill.
&gt;&gt;&gt; and who does Jake white replace these players with hes already missing a
&gt;&gt;&gt; lot of front line players?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Sure there are players missing. Burger and Botha are a huge loss for
&gt;&gt; example. But his decision making recently has been erratic and nothing
&gt;&gt; short of curious. Continuity of selection only seems to apply to those
&gt;&gt; who have lost form for example. Jaco is woefully out of form and has had
&gt;&gt; a shocker today. but Bosman, who he brought through last year is out of
&gt;&gt; the picture and only called up as an afterthought. He wasn't part of the
&gt;&gt; original squad but hopefully he'll get some game time before his
&gt;&gt; confidence goes.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; And Solly, after a nightmare S14 campaign and a big dip in form, is
&gt;&gt; preferred to the form player in Watson, but van Niekerk gets the no 6
&gt;&gt; jersey after playing so well at 8, and Spies is called to play no 8 for
&gt;&gt; the first time since school.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Chilliboy is called up to the squad, but Gary Botha is the man in form at
&gt;&gt; national level. Pienaar is a huge talent but Du Preez has been out of
&gt;&gt; form and looks to be a spent force.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Man, I'm not being an armchair expert, but an explanation would be nice
&gt;&gt; because Jake has some explaining to do. But instead he cocks a snoot at
&gt;&gt; the country and says he's doing it his way. It's hard to support him and
&gt;&gt; he's lost a lot of support even before today's display.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; It's 42-0 at the moment and I'd like to know what his thinking was. It's
&gt;&gt; not much to ask.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Spizz
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; For sure it isn't. Good luck getting the answers.

I'm not holding my breath.

&gt;
&gt; Seemed to be somewhat of an attitude problem tonight as the Bok defence
&gt; was just woeful.
&gt; To be honest I am embarresed for the Boks I dont think I have ever seen
&gt; them play that bad.

I've sensed a lot of apathy this week as if a lot of people knew this was
coming. I certainly did. But as Dave pointed out in another post, the Cape
Town press has been quite scathing of JW's selections and living in CT, it
is hard to escape it.

&gt; Jaco was poor and Spies looked a bit out of his depth. All credit to
&gt; Australia though they
&gt; showed they no how to put a team playin poorly to the sword.

This will be a big test of character for Spies. What a game to debut in.
Hopefully he will be okay because he will surely have to be dropped as he is
just not ready for this level, but he is such a big talent and hopefully
it's not a case of too much too soon. The odd thing is, we all knew it was
going to happen, why didn't Jake?

As for Jaco, it has to be ta ta.

&gt;
&gt; I expect (actually no I demand) that the Boks lift for the old foe next
&gt; week.

This has to be the kick in the pants that the Boks needed. Mind you, we said
that after the Frogs game but nothing changed. Fuck I hope not but I'm not
sure how it can change. I fear the seeds have been sown and it is too late.

&gt;
&gt; One thing is for sure there wont be any Australian coverage of the
&gt; referees performance this week.
&gt;

Ach, I'm sure they'll find something to moan about.

Spizz

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#13: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-15 14:26:03 by JimP

willsutton wrote:
&gt; To put 100 on the Boks
&gt;
Hehe. The game isn't long enough for that. If you've ever watched a 100
point match you'd be surprised at how much time is spent setting up the
conversions and kickoffs let alone scoring.

But 50 is definitely on the cards.

More importantly, can the Boks possibly be that shit two weeks running?
Surely the embarrassment will spur them to make a little more effort in
Wellington.

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#14: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-15 14:27:31 by Rock2006

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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; One thing is for sure there wont be any Australian coverage of the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; referees performance this week.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; want a bet
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Maybe from you .. but not in the Medai
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; ok from a neutral what is your take on the ref's performance
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; My opinion is that SA made it quite easy for him because the breakdown was
&gt; not contested
&gt;
&gt; SA lost the match due to their poor ball retention in the first 20 minutes
&gt;

Well first of all I'm not neutral.
I think that Honiss is a shite ref period so I'm biased.

I think SA were Ok in the set pecies but the ball retention throughout the
entire game was dire.
Don't think they were owned at the breakdown but they seemed to put pressure
on themselves the whole game.
In addition to that their defence was crap.

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#15: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-15 14:30:57 by spizz

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&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; To put 100 on the Boks
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; LOL. Oh, you're serious?? Sorry.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; One shit half ffs.
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Make that two shit halves. Truely the most disgraceful performance I've
&gt;&gt; &gt; ever seen in the tri-nations. Absolutly smashed by a team that doesn't
&gt;&gt; &gt; even have a front row.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Yep, I spoke too soon. What a shocker.
&gt;
&gt; Too much politics in South African rugby, and too much loyalty. Some of
&gt; these older players should have been cut years ago. There's no team
&gt; unity at all, from what I can see. They are really in trouble of
&gt; getting some big hidings in this tournament. One wonders if beating
&gt; the AB's in Durban last year was actually a good thing for the team.
&gt; Maybe if they lost that too, tongihts team may have fielded quite a few
&gt; different players.

Yeah, it's pretty obvious, and it's not just hindsight as we've been saying
this for a while. I think Jake has believed his own press after the success
of pulling Du Randt and Percy back from obscurity, and now thinks he can do
as he pleases and it will work. Snyman was a disaster and smacked of a
desperate man looking to pull off the same miracle again. And he looks to
have just been trusting blind luck with Jaco, hoping he'll have a decent
game.

The thing is, the baby Boks are doing so well and a lot of young talent is
emerging. That is undeniable. Watch the Stormers become a strong side next
year for example. A lot of developing is going on here. The future looks
good and a lot of these youngsters will be a force in the next couple of
years. A season or two of S14 is needed though for the young Boks, not just
pulling a few 'names' into the squad as Jake did after the France game. It
really was a case of closing the stable door, etc. But mishandling these
guys is the danger. And if you look at Pienaar and Watson (again) and how he
has handled Bosman, is he doing things properly. Did Spies, Chiliboy and
Pietersen really deserve the call up because they did well in the u21's? Is
he pandering to the press because they have been so critical lately? I
think so and it is time to get back to basics. Select the squad on merit now
though and form must be the key. The old pals have served their purpose and
put the Boks back on the map in the last couple of years. But a blank sheet
of paper is need and a bit of pride needs swallowing.

Spizz

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#16: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-15 14:35:34 by Mitticus

JimP &lt;<a href="mailto:yeah&#64;right.co.nz" target="_blank">yeah&#64;right.co.nz</a>&gt; writes:

&gt; willsutton wrote:
&gt;&gt; To put 100 on the Boks
&gt;&gt;
&gt; Hehe. The game isn't long enough for that. If you've ever watched a
&gt; 100 point match you'd be surprised at how much time is spent setting
&gt; up the conversions and kickoffs let alone scoring.

Why would we be surprised? There have been loads of games with more than
a hundred points scored.

&gt;
&gt; But 50 is definitely on the cards.

I reckon they'll get to about 49-0.

&gt;
&gt; More importantly, can the Boks possibly be that shit two weeks
&gt; running? Surely the embarrassment will spur them to make a little more
&gt; effort in Wellington.

Its not the effort : its the skill level.

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#17: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-15 14:53:34 by JimP

Walter Mitty wrote:
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&gt;
&gt;&gt; willsutton wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; To put 100 on the Boks
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Hehe. The game isn't long enough for that. If you've ever watched a
&gt;&gt; 100 point match you'd be surprised at how much time is spent setting
&gt;&gt; up the conversions and kickoffs let alone scoring.
&gt;
&gt; Why would we be surprised? There have been loads of games with more than
&gt; a hundred points scored.
&gt;
Heh. Past midnight with a few beers and my writing skills aren't so flash ;)

I'm saying he'd be surprised at how much time actually gets eaten up in
a 100 point match with deadball activity.

I'm also wondering if he has actually seen a 100 point match because
while SA are dire by their standards they're no Japan.

&gt;&gt; But 50 is definitely on the cards.
&gt;
&gt; I reckon they'll get to about 49-0.
&gt;
&gt;&gt; More importantly, can the Boks possibly be that shit two weeks
&gt;&gt; running? Surely the embarrassment will spur them to make a little more
&gt;&gt; effort in Wellington.
&gt;
&gt; Its not the effort : its the skill level.
&gt;
It's both IMO but I'm taking it as read that the Boks won't find a
hidden reservoir of skill in just 1 week. I reckon that mentally and
physically they just weren't making the same effort after the first 15
mins, hence my comment.

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#18: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-15 15:20:42 by Rick Boyd

willsutton wrote:
&gt; To put 100 on the Boks

If only it worked that way, William.

They're just as likely to go on holiday while the Bokke pull out a blinder.

Still, a man can dream.

-- rick boyd

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#19: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-15 21:48:07 by Greig Blanchett

On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:26:03 +1200, JimP &lt;<a href="mailto:yeah&#64;right.co.nz" target="_blank">yeah&#64;right.co.nz</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;willsutton wrote:
&gt;&gt; To put 100 on the Boks
&gt;&gt;
&gt;Hehe. The game isn't long enough for that. If you've ever watched a 100
&gt;point match you'd be surprised at how much time is spent setting up the
&gt;conversions and kickoffs let alone scoring.
&gt;
&gt;But 50 is definitely on the cards.
&gt;
&gt;More importantly, can the Boks possibly be that shit two weeks running?
&gt;Surely the embarrassment will spur them to make a little more effort in
&gt;Wellington.

I think the Wobblies have done us no favours. SA will be laagering up
now and will be in full presecuted underdog mode by the time they hit
Wellington. Add to that the facts that they're our oldest rivals and
everybody raises their game against the ABs, and it'll be a lot closer
than some might think.

What will be interesting will be to see if Henry sticks with his A
team or gives the next level a bit of a run. Personally, I'd like to
see the A team up against the rush defence. Giteau showed it up in all
it's flawed wonder and if the ABs cop the lesson, it may be a field
day for the backs.

--
greig

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#20: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-15 23:18:01 by dechucka

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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; To put 100 on the Boks
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; LOL. Oh, you're serious?? Sorry.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; One shit half ffs. A monumental shit half mind you and one that had to
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; happen if you ask me, but hopefully now Jake will have a good hard look
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; at himself and give his players a hand. It's hard to blame the men on
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the pitch because they can only give their best, and if it isn't good
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; enough then the coach has to replace them.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The Boks must stop living on the back of the 3N win two years ago.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Spizz
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; No the Boks must not miss tackles and drop so much pill.
&gt;&gt;&gt; and who does Jake white replace these players with hes already missing a
&gt;&gt;&gt; lot of front line players?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Sure there are players missing. Burger and Botha are a huge loss for
&gt;&gt; example. But his decision making recently has been erratic and nothing
&gt;&gt; short of curious. Continuity of selection only seems to apply to those
&gt;&gt; who have lost form for example. Jaco is woefully out of form and has had
&gt;&gt; a shocker today. but Bosman, who he brought through last year is out of
&gt;&gt; the picture and only called up as an afterthought. He wasn't part of the
&gt;&gt; original squad but hopefully he'll get some game time before his
&gt;&gt; confidence goes.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; And Solly, after a nightmare S14 campaign and a big dip in form, is
&gt;&gt; preferred to the form player in Watson, but van Niekerk gets the no 6
&gt;&gt; jersey after playing so well at 8, and Spies is called to play no 8 for
&gt;&gt; the first time since school.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Chilliboy is called up to the squad, but Gary Botha is the man in form at
&gt;&gt; national level. Pienaar is a huge talent but Du Preez has been out of
&gt;&gt; form and looks to be a spent force.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Man, I'm not being an armchair expert, but an explanation would be nice
&gt;&gt; because Jake has some explaining to do. But instead he cocks a snoot at
&gt;&gt; the country and says he's doing it his way. It's hard to support him and
&gt;&gt; he's lost a lot of support even before today's display.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; It's 42-0 at the moment and I'd like to know what his thinking was. It's
&gt;&gt; not much to ask.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Spizz
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; For sure it isn't. Good luck getting the answers.
&gt;
&gt; Seemed to be somewhat of an attitude problem tonight as the Bok defence
&gt; was just woeful.
&gt; To be honest I am embarresed for the Boks I dont think I have ever seen
&gt; them play that bad.
&gt; Jaco was poor and Spies looked a bit out of his depth. All credit to
&gt; Australia though they
&gt; showed they no how to put a team playin poorly to the sword.
&gt;
&gt; I expect (actually no I demand) that the Boks lift for the old foe next
&gt; week.
&gt;
&gt; One thing is for sure there wont be any Australian coverage of the
&gt; referees performance this week.

they have started already

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OH sorry my mistake

This is the SA coach blaming a 49-0 defeat on the ref

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Posted on 2006-07-15 23:31:44 by DBDriver

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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; To put 100 on the Boks
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; LOL. Oh, you're serious?? Sorry.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; One shit half ffs. A monumental shit half mind you and one that had to
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; happen if you ask me, but hopefully now Jake will have a good hard
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; look at himself and give his players a hand. It's hard to blame the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; men on the pitch because they can only give their best, and if it
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; isn't good enough then the coach has to replace them.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The Boks must stop living on the back of the 3N win two years ago.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Spizz
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; No the Boks must not miss tackles and drop so much pill.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; and who does Jake white replace these players with hes already missing
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; a lot of front line players?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Sure there are players missing. Burger and Botha are a huge loss for
&gt;&gt;&gt; example. But his decision making recently has been erratic and nothing
&gt;&gt;&gt; short of curious. Continuity of selection only seems to apply to those
&gt;&gt;&gt; who have lost form for example. Jaco is woefully out of form and has had
&gt;&gt;&gt; a shocker today. but Bosman, who he brought through last year is out of
&gt;&gt;&gt; the picture and only called up as an afterthought. He wasn't part of the
&gt;&gt;&gt; original squad but hopefully he'll get some game time before his
&gt;&gt;&gt; confidence goes.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; And Solly, after a nightmare S14 campaign and a big dip in form, is
&gt;&gt;&gt; preferred to the form player in Watson, but van Niekerk gets the no 6
&gt;&gt;&gt; jersey after playing so well at 8, and Spies is called to play no 8 for
&gt;&gt;&gt; the first time since school.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Chilliboy is called up to the squad, but Gary Botha is the man in form
&gt;&gt;&gt; at national level. Pienaar is a huge talent but Du Preez has been out of
&gt;&gt;&gt; form and looks to be a spent force.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Man, I'm not being an armchair expert, but an explanation would be nice
&gt;&gt;&gt; because Jake has some explaining to do. But instead he cocks a snoot at
&gt;&gt;&gt; the country and says he's doing it his way. It's hard to support him and
&gt;&gt;&gt; he's lost a lot of support even before today's display.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; It's 42-0 at the moment and I'd like to know what his thinking was. It's
&gt;&gt;&gt; not much to ask.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Spizz
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; For sure it isn't. Good luck getting the answers.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Seemed to be somewhat of an attitude problem tonight as the Bok defence
&gt;&gt; was just woeful.
&gt;&gt; To be honest I am embarresed for the Boks I dont think I have ever seen
&gt;&gt; them play that bad.
&gt;&gt; Jaco was poor and Spies looked a bit out of his depth. All credit to
&gt;&gt; Australia though they
&gt;&gt; showed they no how to put a team playin poorly to the sword.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I expect (actually no I demand) that the Boks lift for the old foe next
&gt;&gt; week.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; One thing is for sure there wont be any Australian coverage of the
&gt;&gt; referees performance this week.
&gt;
&gt; they have started already
&gt;
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&gt;
&gt;
&gt; OH sorry my mistake
&gt;
&gt; This is the SA coach blaming a 49-0 defeat on the ref
&gt;

Every nation does it - yes even the NZ's living in the clouds with God.
Outside of the teams (for obvious reasons) it's usually done by diehard
dicks or by the media writing for the consumption of their local populus.
You'll find the people taking most offence on this group are the ones living
outside their home nation in opposition territory. They need to go home some
time and take off the rose coloured glasses to some of the reporting there.

Rj.

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#22: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-16 02:55:22 by muzwell

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&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; One thing is for sure there wont be any Australian coverage of the
&gt; &gt;&gt; referees performance this week.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; want a bet
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; Maybe from you .. but not in the Medai

want a bet?

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&quot;After that, Wallabies coach John Connolly, who in recent weeks has
been complaining about refereeing decisions, can never whinge again
about the man in the middle.
....
Really, what was Honiss thinking in the 15th minute when he penalised
the South African scrum for collapsing even though it had just driven
the Australian pack back at least five metres?&quot;

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#23: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-16 03:12:54 by John Cawston

muzwell wrote:
&gt; Rock2006 wrote:
&gt;
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&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; One thing is for sure there wont be any Australian coverage of the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; referees performance this week.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; want a bet
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Maybe from you .. but not in the Medai
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; want a bet?
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/07/16/1152637926491.html" target="_blank"> http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/07/16/115263 7926491.html</a>
&gt;
&gt; &quot;After that, Wallabies coach John Connolly, who in recent weeks has
&gt; been complaining about refereeing decisions, can never whinge again
&gt; about the man in the middle.
&gt; ...
&gt; Really, what was Honiss thinking in the 15th minute when he penalised
&gt; the South African scrum for collapsing even though it had just driven
&gt; the Australian pack back at least five metres?&quot;
&gt;

Because big Os was heaving down on his opponents jersey.

JC

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#24: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-16 04:16:20 by DaveXXL

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1153011321.959061.44980&#64;b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1153011321.959061.44980&#64;b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
<a href="mailto:murray.spork&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">murray.spork&#64;gmail.com</a> says...
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Rock2006 wrote:
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&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; One thing is for sure there wont be any Australian coverage of the
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; referees performance this week.

Wooops !

&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; want a bet
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Maybe from you .. but not in the Medai
&gt;
&gt;want a bet?
&gt;
&gt;<a href="http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/07/16/1152637926491.html" target="_blank"> http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/07/16/115263 7926491.html</a>
&gt;
&gt;&quot;After that, Wallabies coach John Connolly, who in recent weeks has
&gt;been complaining about refereeing decisions, can never whinge again
&gt;about the man in the middle.
&gt;...
&gt;Really, what was Honiss thinking in the 15th minute when he penalised
&gt;the South African scrum for collapsing even though it had just driven
&gt;the Australian pack back at least five metres?&quot;
&gt;

ROFL

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#25: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-16 07:03:41 by Uncle Bully

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&gt;
&gt; Rock2006 wrote:
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&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; One thing is for sure there wont be any Australian coverage of the
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; referees performance this week.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; want a bet
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Maybe from you .. but not in the Medai
&gt;
&gt; want a bet?
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/07/16/1152637926491.html" target="_blank"> http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/07/16/115263 7926491.html</a>
&gt;
&gt; &quot;After that, Wallabies coach John Connolly, who in recent weeks has
&gt; been complaining about refereeing decisions, can never whinge again
&gt; about the man in the middle.
&gt; ...
&gt; Really, what was Honiss thinking in the 15th minute when he penalised
&gt; the South African scrum for collapsing even though it had just driven
&gt; the Australian pack back at least five metres?&quot;


&quot;Surely he would have to ask himself why a winning scrum would then collapse
it. It defied logic, and was a terrible decision - well short of what is
required at international level.&quot;

Not sure if was the same decision, but there was a clear replay of a Bok
scrum 5m out from the Wallaby line showing the Bok prop releasing his
binding causing the scrum to collapse.

So for those Ref knockers, logic may have been defied but it happened and
there is video evidence to support it.

Ref 1 - Media 0

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#26: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-16 07:10:28 by Uncle Bully

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&gt; On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:26:03 +1200, JimP &lt;<a href="mailto:yeah&#64;right.co.nz" target="_blank">yeah&#64;right.co.nz</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;willsutton wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; To put 100 on the Boks
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Hehe. The game isn't long enough for that. If you've ever watched a 100
&gt;&gt;point match you'd be surprised at how much time is spent setting up the
&gt;&gt;conversions and kickoffs let alone scoring.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;But 50 is definitely on the cards.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;More importantly, can the Boks possibly be that shit two weeks running?
&gt;&gt;Surely the embarrassment will spur them to make a little more effort in
&gt;&gt;Wellington.
&gt;
&gt; I think the Wobblies have done us no favours. SA will be laagering up
&gt; now and will be in full presecuted underdog mode by the time they hit
&gt; Wellington. Add to that the facts that they're our oldest rivals and
&gt; everybody raises their game against the ABs, and it'll be a lot closer
&gt; than some might think.
&gt;
&gt; What will be interesting will be to see if Henry sticks with his A
&gt; team or gives the next level a bit of a run. Personally, I'd like to
&gt; see the A team up against the rush defence. Giteau showed it up in all
&gt; it's flawed wonder and if the ABs cop the lesson, it may be a field
&gt; day for the backs.

It's rare that a team like the Boks get two hidings in a row. I can' see
them winning but I do expect it to be tight, for at least most of the first
half anyway :)

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#27: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-16 07:25:13 by Will_S

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&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; One thing is for sure there wont be any Australian coverage of the
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; referees performance this week.
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; want a bet
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Maybe from you .. but not in the Medai
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; want a bet?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/07/16/1152637926491.html" target="_blank"> http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/07/16/115263 7926491.html</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &quot;After that, Wallabies coach John Connolly, who in recent weeks has
&gt;&gt; been complaining about refereeing decisions, can never whinge again
&gt;&gt; about the man in the middle.
&gt;&gt; ...
&gt;&gt; Really, what was Honiss thinking in the 15th minute when he penalised
&gt;&gt; the South African scrum for collapsing even though it had just driven
&gt;&gt; the Australian pack back at least five metres?&quot;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &quot;Surely he would have to ask himself why a winning scrum would then
&gt; collapse it. It defied logic, and was a terrible decision - well short of
&gt; what is required at international level.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; Not sure if was the same decision, but there was a clear replay of a Bok
&gt; scrum 5m out from the Wallaby line showing the Bok prop releasing his
&gt; binding causing the scrum to collapse.
&gt;
&gt; So for those Ref knockers, logic may have been defied but it happened and
&gt; there is video evidence to support it.
&gt;
&gt; Ref 1 - Media 0


Different scrum so try again. Actually I would suggest you actually watch
the game

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#28: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-16 09:17:00 by Neilsons

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&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Rock2006 wrote:
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&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; One thing is for sure there wont be any Australian coverage of the
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; referees performance this week.
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; want a bet
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Maybe from you .. but not in the Medai
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; want a bet?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/07/16/1152637926491.html" target="_blank"> http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/07/16/115263 7926491.html</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &quot;After that, Wallabies coach John Connolly, who in recent weeks has
&gt;&gt; been complaining about refereeing decisions, can never whinge again
&gt;&gt; about the man in the middle.
&gt;&gt; ...
&gt;&gt; Really, what was Honiss thinking in the 15th minute when he penalised
&gt;&gt; the South African scrum for collapsing even though it had just driven
&gt;&gt; the Australian pack back at least five metres?&quot;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &quot;Surely he would have to ask himself why a winning scrum would then
&gt; collapse it. It defied logic, and was a terrible decision - well short of
&gt; what is required at international level.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; Not sure if was the same decision, but there was a clear replay of a Bok
&gt; scrum 5m out from the Wallaby line showing the Bok prop releasing his
&gt; binding causing the scrum to collapse.
&gt;
&gt; So for those Ref knockers, logic may have been defied but it happened and
&gt; there is video evidence to support it.
&gt;
All I could think of is that the Aussie prop turning in so quickly caused
the bind to be dropped. There is no logical reason why the Bok prop would do
this deliberately is there?
Sure the evidence looks damning - but Bill Young got away with a lot for a
long time before refs got on to him. Honiss is very frutrating for viewers
because he doesn't actually get a lot wrong but he rarely is involved in a
game that flows. He doesn't have a great feel for the game and the
frustration of the players is almost always visible.
In this game the Aussies were good enough and the Boks bad enough to make
his style irrelevant. I'm only grateful he and Steve Walsh can never ref the
AB's.

Cheers, aMtt

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#29: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-16 10:34:42 by willsutton

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&gt;&gt;&gt;
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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; One thing is for sure there wont be any Australian coverage of the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; referees performance this week.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; want a bet
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Maybe from you .. but not in the Medai
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; want a bet?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/07/16/1152637926491.html" target="_blank"> http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/07/16/115263 7926491.html</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;After that, Wallabies coach John Connolly, who in recent weeks has
&gt;&gt;&gt; been complaining about refereeing decisions, can never whinge again
&gt;&gt;&gt; about the man in the middle.
&gt;&gt;&gt; ...
&gt;&gt;&gt; Really, what was Honiss thinking in the 15th minute when he penalised
&gt;&gt;&gt; the South African scrum for collapsing even though it had just driven
&gt;&gt;&gt; the Australian pack back at least five metres?&quot;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &quot;Surely he would have to ask himself why a winning scrum would then
&gt;&gt; collapse it. It defied logic, and was a terrible decision - well short of
&gt;&gt; what is required at international level.&quot;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Not sure if was the same decision, but there was a clear replay of a Bok
&gt;&gt; scrum 5m out from the Wallaby line showing the Bok prop releasing his
&gt;&gt; binding causing the scrum to collapse.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; So for those Ref knockers, logic may have been defied but it happened and
&gt;&gt; there is video evidence to support it.
&gt;&gt;
&gt; All I could think of is that the Aussie prop turning in so quickly caused
&gt; the bind to be dropped. There is no logical reason why the Bok prop would
&gt; do this deliberately is there?
&gt; Sure the evidence looks damning - but Bill Young got away with a lot for a
&gt; long time before refs got on to him. Honiss is very frutrating for viewers
&gt; because he doesn't actually get a lot wrong but he rarely is involved in a
&gt; game that flows. He doesn't have a great feel for the game and the
&gt; frustration of the players is almost always visible.
&gt; In this game the Aussies were good enough and the Boks bad enough to make
&gt; his style irrelevant. I'm only grateful he and Steve Walsh can never ref
&gt; the AB's.
&gt;
&gt; Cheers, aMtt
&gt;

Dont worry Matt, you will suffer the Kaplan factor one day soon

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#30: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-16 11:10:33 by Neilsons

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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Rock2006 wrote:
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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; One thing is for sure there wont be any Australian coverage of the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; referees performance this week.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; want a bet
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Maybe from you .. but not in the Medai
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; want a bet?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/07/16/1152637926491.html" target="_blank"> http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/07/16/115263 7926491.html</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;After that, Wallabies coach John Connolly, who in recent weeks has
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; been complaining about refereeing decisions, can never whinge again
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; about the man in the middle.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; ...
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Really, what was Honiss thinking in the 15th minute when he penalised
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the South African scrum for collapsing even though it had just driven
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the Australian pack back at least five metres?&quot;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;Surely he would have to ask himself why a winning scrum would then
&gt;&gt;&gt; collapse it. It defied logic, and was a terrible decision - well short
&gt;&gt;&gt; of what is required at international level.&quot;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Not sure if was the same decision, but there was a clear replay of a Bok
&gt;&gt;&gt; scrum 5m out from the Wallaby line showing the Bok prop releasing his
&gt;&gt;&gt; binding causing the scrum to collapse.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; So for those Ref knockers, logic may have been defied but it happened
&gt;&gt;&gt; and there is video evidence to support it.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; All I could think of is that the Aussie prop turning in so quickly caused
&gt;&gt; the bind to be dropped. There is no logical reason why the Bok prop would
&gt;&gt; do this deliberately is there?
&gt;&gt; Sure the evidence looks damning - but Bill Young got away with a lot for
&gt;&gt; a long time before refs got on to him. Honiss is very frutrating for
&gt;&gt; viewers because he doesn't actually get a lot wrong but he rarely is
&gt;&gt; involved in a game that flows. He doesn't have a great feel for the game
&gt;&gt; and the frustration of the players is almost always visible.
&gt;&gt; In this game the Aussies were good enough and the Boks bad enough to make
&gt;&gt; his style irrelevant. I'm only grateful he and Steve Walsh can never ref
&gt;&gt; the AB's.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Cheers, aMtt
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Dont worry Matt, you will suffer the Kaplan factor one day soon
We have already - I was at the Caketin on that fateful day of the Eales
penalty in the 256th minute of extra time! But I still rate him as one of
the best going. The biggest travesty is that Oz and SA will not be reffed by
Lyndon Bray this year - the best we have by a long shot IMO and yet the
powers that be don't regard him good enough. I wonder if there is a reason
we don't all know about?

Cheeers, aMtt

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#31: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-16 12:03:49 by Uncle Bully

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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; One thing is for sure there wont be any Australian coverage of the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; referees performance this week.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; want a bet
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Maybe from you .. but not in the Medai
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; want a bet?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/07/16/1152637926491.html" target="_blank"> http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/07/16/115263 7926491.html</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;After that, Wallabies coach John Connolly, who in recent weeks has
&gt;&gt;&gt; been complaining about refereeing decisions, can never whinge again
&gt;&gt;&gt; about the man in the middle.
&gt;&gt;&gt; ...
&gt;&gt;&gt; Really, what was Honiss thinking in the 15th minute when he penalised
&gt;&gt;&gt; the South African scrum for collapsing even though it had just driven
&gt;&gt;&gt; the Australian pack back at least five metres?&quot;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &quot;Surely he would have to ask himself why a winning scrum would then
&gt;&gt; collapse it. It defied logic, and was a terrible decision - well short of
&gt;&gt; what is required at international level.&quot;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Not sure if was the same decision, but there was a clear replay of a Bok
&gt;&gt; scrum 5m out from the Wallaby line showing the Bok prop releasing his
&gt;&gt; binding causing the scrum to collapse.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; So for those Ref knockers, logic may have been defied but it happened and
&gt;&gt; there is video evidence to support it.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Ref 1 - Media 0
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Different scrum so try again. Actually I would suggest you actually watch
&gt; the game

But why would an attacking scrum that is pushing the shit out of the Aussies
collapse it ?

The fact is, attacking teams collapse scrums. The ref's call stands.

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#32: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-16 13:28:31 by Rick Boyd

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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Rock2006 wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;One thing is for sure there wont be any Australian coverage of the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;referees performance this week.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;want a bet
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Maybe from you .. but not in the Medai
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;want a bet?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<a href="http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/07/16/1152637926491.html" target="_blank"> http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/07/16/115263 7926491.html</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;After that, Wallabies coach John Connolly, who in recent weeks has
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;been complaining about refereeing decisions, can never whinge again
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;about the man in the middle.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;...
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Really, what was Honiss thinking in the 15th minute when he penalised
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;the South African scrum for collapsing even though it had just driven
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;the Australian pack back at least five metres?&quot;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;Surely he would have to ask himself why a winning scrum would then
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;collapse it. It defied logic, and was a terrible decision - well short
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;of what is required at international level.&quot;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Not sure if was the same decision, but there was a clear replay of a Bok
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;scrum 5m out from the Wallaby line showing the Bok prop releasing his
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;binding causing the scrum to collapse.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;So for those Ref knockers, logic may have been defied but it happened
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;and there is video evidence to support it.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;All I could think of is that the Aussie prop turning in so quickly caused
&gt;&gt;&gt;the bind to be dropped. There is no logical reason why the Bok prop would
&gt;&gt;&gt;do this deliberately is there?
&gt;&gt;&gt;Sure the evidence looks damning - but Bill Young got away with a lot for
&gt;&gt;&gt;a long time before refs got on to him. Honiss is very frutrating for
&gt;&gt;&gt;viewers because he doesn't actually get a lot wrong but he rarely is
&gt;&gt;&gt;involved in a game that flows. He doesn't have a great feel for the game
&gt;&gt;&gt;and the frustration of the players is almost always visible.
&gt;&gt;&gt;In this game the Aussies were good enough and the Boks bad enough to make
&gt;&gt;&gt;his style irrelevant. I'm only grateful he and Steve Walsh can never ref
&gt;&gt;&gt;the AB's.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Cheers, aMtt
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Dont worry Matt, you will suffer the Kaplan factor one day soon
&gt;
&gt; We have already - I was at the Caketin on that fateful day of the Eales
&gt; penalty in the 256th minute of extra time! But I still rate him as one of
&gt; the best going. The biggest travesty is that Oz and SA will not be reffed by
&gt; Lyndon Bray this year - the best we have by a long shot IMO and yet the
&gt; powers that be don't regard him good enough. I wonder if there is a reason
&gt; we don't all know about?

Jesus, he must have improved out of sight since he was in Perth.

-- rick boyd

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#33: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-17 02:09:13 by Aidan

Greig Blanchett &lt;<a href="mailto:greigb&#64;nzrfu.nospam.com" target="_blank">greigb&#64;nzrfu.nospam.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; What will be interesting will be to see if Henry sticks with his A
&gt; team or gives the next level a bit of a run. Personally, I'd like to
&gt; see the A team up against the rush defence. Giteau showed it up in all
&gt; it's flawed wonder and if the ABs cop the lesson, it may be a field
&gt; day for the backs.

The first of Giteau's 5 pointers looked like a touch rugby try. And I
don't just mean the lack of tackles, but he got the ball at the point
where he came to the &quot;defensive line&quot; running a really nice angle.

Made poor old Percy look fairly silly too.


Aidan

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#34: Re: AB's

Posted on 2006-07-17 03:01:20 by michael

&quot;Aidan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:aidan&#64;alghieri.rsc.anu.edu.au" target="_blank">aidan&#64;alghieri.rsc.anu.edu.au</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; The first of Giteau's 5 pointers looked like a touch rugby try. And I
&gt; don't just mean the lack of tackles, but he got the ball at the point
&gt; where he came to the &quot;defensive line&quot; running a really nice angle.
&gt;
&gt; Made poor old Percy look fairly silly too.

In the Bok's defence, they were a man short at that stage.

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