Bookmarks

Yahoo Gmail Google Facebook Delicious Twitter Reddit Stumpleupon Myspace Digg

Search queries

golf club grace before meals, golf graces before meals, seymore butts ass hunt tylene buck, katharine mcphee ugly vagina, dinner grace at golf club, grace for golf club dinner, stephen a smith intro song, tylene buck interview, Tina fey anal, hqpron

Links

XODOX
Impressum

#1: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-13 18:06:52 by bknight

At our club there's a player that is one of the nicest guys you'll
ever meet. If you told him that you needed a couple of hundred and
didn't know if, or when, you could repay him, he'd be in his pocket in
a heartbeat.

But. He'll cheat you on the golf course over and over and over. It
doesn't matter whether it's a $20 or $1 nassau. He was in our group
for an Olds Scramble once, and on the 11th hole we all missed a 6 ft.
putt for birdie. Two holes later I noticed that he had entered the
birdie. I mentioned it, he said that he thought we had made bird, but
corrected it. Three holes after that I noticed that the birdie was
back on 11 and told him so. He forgot, he said, erased it and
corrected it. When we finished we went over the card and the fucking
birdie was back! We railed at him and watched as he corrected it.
Then he turned in the card. Later, on our way out, we saw on the
scoreboard that we had birdied the 11th. This is for an Olds
Scramble and we weren't even in the running, with or without that
birdie.

First of all, he's a pretty good player, 7 handicap. He doesn't need
to cheat. I've seen him bump his ball, pencil-whip, and when he has a
bet with someone out of his group, that someone had best look at his
scorecard and not let him just call out scores.

Everyone knows this, and it got so bad that several years ago on a
Friday afternoon, after the regular men's day tournament when there
was a big crowd in the 19th hole, he was presented with a letter,
signed by over 30 players that outlined his transgressions.
Incidentally, this was after several of his friends had pulled him
aside to discuss it with him, to no avail. The letter said that from
that day on he was NOT to keep score in any group, and that further
cheating would result in his not being able to get a game with any of
them. He was contrite, apologized, and said that he'd clean up his
act. That was about 5 years ago...and he's back to his old ways.

We've come to the conclusion that it's a sickness with him. We know
what has to be done, but it's really a drag since he is such a good
guy off the course.
___,
\o
|
/ \
.
"Someone likes every shot"!
bk

Report this message

#2: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-13 18:47:51 by annika1980

Bobby Knight wrote:
> We've come to the conclusion that it's a sickness with him. We know
> what has to be done, but it's really a drag since he is such a good
> guy off the course.

We had an asst. pro at our course who was a great player, but always
had to sign for 1 stroke lower than he shot. Once I saw him shoot 64
and sign for a 63. I mean, 64 is a pretty damned impressive score by
itself! He just couldn't help it.
And once he got that bad rep he was done. It got so bad that at one
local Pro-Am he shot 65 and was the Low Pro and the newspaper said,
"his scorecard showed a 65."
Not that he shot 65, but that "his scorecard showed a 65."

It's kinda like my barber, who when someone approached him for a golf
wager and inquired about his handicap would reply, "I carry a 26
Handicap Card."
We never did find out who that card belonged to.

When I was the hdcp chairman at my club back in the day GHIN would send
the handicap stickers to us to put on the handicap cards of the
members. There would usually be a few blank ones at the end that
hadn't been printed on. Every sandbagger's dream .... a "fill in the
blank" handicap card. Needless to say, I didn't lose too many out of
town matches back in those days. I called it my "Away" handicap. I
was Scratch at Home and 18 Away. And with my swing, who'd notice?

Report this message

#3: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-13 18:50:53 by larrybud2002

> act. That was about 5 years ago...and he's back to his old ways.
>
> We've come to the conclusion that it's a sickness with him. We know
> what has to be done, but it's really a drag since he is such a good
> guy off the course.

It's a private club? Any way to prevent him from playing in
competitive events? Or even more drastic, kick him out.

Report this message

#4: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-13 18:52:29 by bknight

On 13 Jul 2006 09:47:51 -0700, &quot;annika1980&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:annika1980&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">annika1980&#64;aol.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&lt;clip.
&gt;When I was the hdcp chairman at my club back in the day GHIN would send
&gt;the handicap stickers to us to put on the handicap cards of the
&gt;members. There would usually be a few blank ones at the end that
&gt;hadn't been printed on. Every sandbagger's dream .... a &quot;fill in the
&gt;blank&quot; handicap card. Needless to say, I didn't lose too many out of
&gt;town matches back in those days. I called it my &quot;Away&quot; handicap. I
&gt;was Scratch at Home and 18 Away. And with my swing, who'd notice?

Never happened. You're one of those that I would never question over
a drop :-)

___,
\o
|
/ \
.
&quot;Someone likes every shot&quot;!
bk

Report this message

#5: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-13 18:54:04 by bknight

On 13 Jul 2006 09:50:53 -0700, &quot;Larry Bud&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:larrybud2002&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">larrybud2002&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;&gt; act. That was about 5 years ago...and he's back to his old ways.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; We've come to the conclusion that it's a sickness with him. We know
&gt;&gt; what has to be done, but it's really a drag since he is such a good
&gt;&gt; guy off the course.
&gt;
&gt;It's a private club? Any way to prevent him from playing in
&gt;competitive events? Or even more drastic, kick him out.

Yep, private club. It's hard to explain, but we all like him so
damned much that I guess we'll just have to go on as before and just
watch him, and call him, on everything we see.
___,
\o
|
/ \
.
&quot;Someone likes every shot&quot;!
bk

Report this message

#6: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-13 19:24:47 by Czar Drooling Simpleton I

Bobby Knight &lt;<a href="mailto:bknight&#64;conramp.net" target="_blank">bknight&#64;conramp.net</a>&gt; wrote:
: On 13 Jul 2006 09:50:53 -0700, &quot;Larry Bud&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:larrybud2002&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">larrybud2002&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt;
: wrote:
:
: &gt;&gt; act. That was about 5 years ago...and he's back to his old ways.
: &gt;&gt;
: &gt;&gt; We've come to the conclusion that it's a sickness with him. We know
: &gt;&gt; what has to be done, but it's really a drag since he is such a good
: &gt;&gt; guy off the course.
: &gt;
: &gt;It's a private club? Any way to prevent him from playing in
: &gt;competitive events? Or even more drastic, kick him out.
:
: Yep, private club. It's hard to explain, but we all like him so
: damned much that I guess we'll just have to go on as before and just
: watch him, and call him, on everything we see.

Watch him like a hawk, and never ever *ever* let him take part
in any bets again. Which I know is a huge PITA, but having a guy
like that in your game just totally screws up the enjoyment of
the competition, IMO. It's hard enough to play your own game
without having to supervise his.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
<a href="http://clist.org/" target="_blank">http://clist.org/</a>

Report this message

#7: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-13 19:27:24 by prestigerealty

Bobby Knight wrote:
&gt; Yep, private club. It's hard to explain, but we all like him so
&gt; damned much that I guess we'll just have to go on as before and just
&gt; watch him, and call him, on everything we see.

Damned unfortunate, Bobby. Kinda like the cheating hubby who charms
his spouse with dinner and flowers after every transgression. We had a
high roller in town who every couple of years or so would be adding
another wing onto the residence.

Funny how it coincided with various uncovered daliances.

Report this message

#8: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-13 19:38:19 by Tex

dugjustdug wrote:
&gt; Bobby Knight wrote:
&gt; &gt; Yep, private club. It's hard to explain, but we all like him so
&gt; &gt; damned much that I guess we'll just have to go on as before and just
&gt; &gt; watch him, and call him, on everything we see.
&gt;
&gt; Damned unfortunate, Bobby. Kinda like the cheating hubby who charms
&gt; his spouse with dinner and flowers after every transgression. We had a
&gt; high roller in town who every couple of years or so would be adding
&gt; another wing onto the residence.
&gt;
&gt; Funny how it coincided with various uncovered daliances.

Is that how F Beuge got his nice house? :-)

Tex

Report this message

#9: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-13 19:44:18 by jeffc

&quot;Bobby Knight&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:bknight&#64;conramp.net" target="_blank">bknight&#64;conramp.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:1uqcb2tp1s13nsp5mt3i7k2nqfd6viipl3&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">1uqcb2tp1s13nsp5mt3i7k2nqfd6viipl3&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt; We've come to the conclusion that it's a sickness with him. We know
&gt; what has to be done, but it's really a drag since he is such a good
&gt; guy off the course.

Bizarre.

Report this message

#10: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-13 20:33:38 by bknight

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:24:47 GMT, Chris Bellomy
&lt;<a href="mailto:puevf&#64;tbbqfubj.arg.invalid" target="_blank">puevf&#64;tbbqfubj.arg.invalid</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;Bobby Knight &lt;<a href="mailto:bknight&#64;conramp.net" target="_blank">bknight&#64;conramp.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;: On 13 Jul 2006 09:50:53 -0700, &quot;Larry Bud&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:larrybud2002&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">larrybud2002&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt;
&gt;: wrote:
&gt;:
&gt;: &gt;&gt; act. That was about 5 years ago...and he's back to his old ways.
&gt;: &gt;&gt;
&gt;: &gt;&gt; We've come to the conclusion that it's a sickness with him. We know
&gt;: &gt;&gt; what has to be done, but it's really a drag since he is such a good
&gt;: &gt;&gt; guy off the course.
&gt;: &gt;
&gt;: &gt;It's a private club? Any way to prevent him from playing in
&gt;: &gt;competitive events? Or even more drastic, kick him out.
&gt;:
&gt;: Yep, private club. It's hard to explain, but we all like him so
&gt;: damned much that I guess we'll just have to go on as before and just
&gt;: watch him, and call him, on everything we see.
&gt;
&gt;Watch him like a hawk, and never ever *ever* let him take part
&gt;in any bets again. Which I know is a huge PITA, but having a guy
&gt;like that in your game just totally screws up the enjoyment of
&gt;the competition, IMO. It's hard enough to play your own game
&gt;without having to supervise his.

Thankfully I don't play in his group, but ours does play his group
each week in a team bet. Also thankfully, there are a couple of guys
in that group that do watch him.

Incidentally we refer to them as &quot;Team Evil&quot;. They all know what we
mean by that.
___,
\o
|
/ \
.
&quot;Someone likes every shot&quot;!
bk

Report this message

#11: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-13 20:43:54 by sfb

Getting rid of a guy that is easy. All it takes is a continuous peer
pressure on his golf buddies something like how can you let that guy steal
your money. After a while nobody wants to be seen playing with him and he
leaves to find a new set of suckers.

&quot;Bobby Knight&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:bknight&#64;conramp.net" target="_blank">bknight&#64;conramp.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:1uqcb2tp1s13nsp5mt3i7k2nqfd6viipl3&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">1uqcb2tp1s13nsp5mt3i7k2nqfd6viipl3&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt; At our club there's a player that is one of the nicest guys you'll
&gt; ever meet. If you told him that you needed a couple of hundred and
&gt; didn't know if, or when, you could repay him, he'd be in his pocket in
&gt; a heartbeat.
&gt;
&gt; But. He'll cheat you on the golf course over and over and over. It
&gt; doesn't matter whether it's a $20 or $1 nassau. He was in our group
&gt; for an Olds Scramble once, and on the 11th hole we all missed a 6 ft.
&gt; putt for birdie. Two holes later I noticed that he had entered the
&gt; birdie. I mentioned it, he said that he thought we had made bird, but
&gt; corrected it. Three holes after that I noticed that the birdie was
&gt; back on 11 and told him so. He forgot, he said, erased it and
&gt; corrected it. When we finished we went over the card and the fucking
&gt; birdie was back! We railed at him and watched as he corrected it.
&gt; Then he turned in the card. Later, on our way out, we saw on the
&gt; scoreboard that we had birdied the 11th. This is for an Olds
&gt; Scramble and we weren't even in the running, with or without that
&gt; birdie.
&gt;
&gt; First of all, he's a pretty good player, 7 handicap. He doesn't need
&gt; to cheat. I've seen him bump his ball, pencil-whip, and when he has a
&gt; bet with someone out of his group, that someone had best look at his
&gt; scorecard and not let him just call out scores.
&gt;
&gt; Everyone knows this, and it got so bad that several years ago on a
&gt; Friday afternoon, after the regular men's day tournament when there
&gt; was a big crowd in the 19th hole, he was presented with a letter,
&gt; signed by over 30 players that outlined his transgressions.
&gt; Incidentally, this was after several of his friends had pulled him
&gt; aside to discuss it with him, to no avail. The letter said that from
&gt; that day on he was NOT to keep score in any group, and that further
&gt; cheating would result in his not being able to get a game with any of
&gt; them. He was contrite, apologized, and said that he'd clean up his
&gt; act. That was about 5 years ago...and he's back to his old ways.
&gt;
&gt; We've come to the conclusion that it's a sickness with him. We know
&gt; what has to be done, but it's really a drag since he is such a good
&gt; guy off the course.
&gt; ___,
&gt; \o
&gt; |
&gt; / \
&gt; .
&gt; &quot;Someone likes every shot&quot;!
&gt; bk

Report this message

#12: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-13 20:46:36 by sfb

If he is that bad, nobody with any integrity will pair with him in a multi
player event. In one ball, put three anal retentive assholes that brook no
cheating in his foursome.

&quot;Larry Bud&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:larrybud2002&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">larrybud2002&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:1152809453.279366.200540&#64;b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1152809453.279366.200540&#64;b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...</a>
&gt;&gt; act. That was about 5 years ago...and he's back to his old ways.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; We've come to the conclusion that it's a sickness with him. We know
&gt;&gt; what has to be done, but it's really a drag since he is such a good
&gt;&gt; guy off the course.
&gt;
&gt; It's a private club? Any way to prevent him from playing in
&gt; competitive events? Or even more drastic, kick him out.
&gt;

Report this message

#13: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-13 21:26:39 by unknown

Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)

Report this message

#14: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-13 21:32:36 by unknown

Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)

Report this message

#15: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-13 21:32:38 by larrybud2002

Bobby Knight wrote:
&gt; On 13 Jul 2006 09:50:53 -0700, &quot;Larry Bud&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:larrybud2002&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">larrybud2002&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; act. That was about 5 years ago...and he's back to his old ways.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; We've come to the conclusion that it's a sickness with him. We know
&gt; &gt;&gt; what has to be done, but it's really a drag since he is such a good
&gt; &gt;&gt; guy off the course.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;It's a private club? Any way to prevent him from playing in
&gt; &gt;competitive events? Or even more drastic, kick him out.
&gt;
&gt; Yep, private club. It's hard to explain, but we all like him so
&gt; damned much that I guess we'll just have to go on as before and just
&gt; watch him, and call him, on everything we see.

Well, you can't possibly like him for his integrity, so is he giving
everyone good bjs?

How do you know he's a good guy off the course? He's probably ripping
you off blind. I see a correlation between cheaters on the course and
cheaters in life.

Report this message

#16: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-13 21:45:06 by unknown

Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)

Report this message

#17: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-13 22:15:10 by annika1980

Bobby Knight wrote:
&gt; &gt;Every sandbagger's dream .... a &quot;fill in the
&gt; &gt;blank&quot; handicap card. Needless to say, I didn't lose too many out of
&gt; &gt;town matches back in those days. I called it my &quot;Away&quot; handicap. I
&gt; &gt;was Scratch at Home and 18 Away. And with my swing, who'd notice?
&gt;
&gt; Never happened. You're one of those that I would never question over
&gt; a drop :-)

Yeah, now maybe.
Besides, if you get the bet right to start with, you don't have to
cheat!

Nice of you to say it anyway. Mikey and I used to have a list of folks
that we could always trust. You know, those guys who you could have a
good bet with and you wouldn't have to be in their group to keep
everything on the up and up. They'd come in, call off their scores and
we'd pay up or collect. Unfortunately, it was a pretty short list.

I've seen some guys who I wouldn't trust on a bet if I was in their
cart with them.

On that note, I will say this. I've played a few RSG events with a lot
of different folks, many of them who I don't exactly see eye-to-eye
with (guess I'm too short). But I've never played with any RSGer who I
wouldn't trust to play a fair match. The spirit of the game seems to
infect all those who stay around here. It seems to be the one thing
that all you loons have in common. Trolls excluded, of course.

Report this message

#18: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-13 22:20:26 by annika1980

Larry Bud wrote:
&gt; I see a correlation between cheaters on the course and
&gt; cheaters in life.

Good point. Maybe if I wasn't so fuckin honest I wouldn't be so fuckin
broke?

One funny thing about reading the newsgroups via Google Groups is the
little links they provide that are related to the topic. In this
thread about cheaters I noticed these links:
========================

Sponsored Links
Cheaters
Browse a huge selection now.
Find exactly what you want today.
www.eBay.com

Semen Detection Test Kit
Our kit is patented and guaranteed.
Also available in stores.
www.getcheckmate.com

Heart Broken
Forget The Past, Embrace The Future
Voted Top Site To Unite 2005
wwwDateFinder.com

Related Pages
Irwin turns back clock with spectacular finish
Reuters.uk - 1 hour ago
By Tony Jimenez. LOCH LOMOND, Scotland, July 13 (Reuters) - ...

Edfors, Drysdale share lead at Scottish Open
Chester Observer Tribune - 24 minutes ago
Glasgow, Scotland (Sports Network) - Johan Edfors and David Drysdale
....

Report this message

#19: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-13 22:44:09 by prestigerealty

Tex wrote:
&gt; dugjustdug wrote:
&gt; &gt; Funny how it coincided with various uncovered daliances.
&gt;
&gt; Is that how F Beuge got his nice house? :-)
&gt;
&gt; Tex

He wishes ;-)

Report this message

#20: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-13 22:49:59 by bknight

On 13 Jul 2006 12:32:38 -0700, &quot;Larry Bud&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:larrybud2002&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">larrybud2002&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;
&gt;Bobby Knight wrote:

&gt;&gt; Yep, private club. It's hard to explain, but we all like him so
&gt;&gt; damned much that I guess we'll just have to go on as before and just
&gt;&gt; watch him, and call him, on everything we see.
&gt;
&gt;Well, you can't possibly like him for his integrity, so is he giving
&gt;everyone good bjs?
&gt;
&gt;How do you know he's a good guy off the course? He's probably ripping
&gt;you off blind. I see a correlation between cheaters on the course and
&gt;cheaters in life.

This situation is an anomaly. There has never been anything shady, or
even suggestive, about his conduct anywhere but on the golf course.
As I said, he just has a sickness about wanting to win there.
___,
\o
|
/ \
.
“Someone likes every shot”
bk

Report this message

#21: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-13 23:43:53 by kurgan

one of my friends and another guy I know are just starting out in golf.

last year we played a bit of pay-n-play before they entered the club.

both had *trouble counting* oddly enough always in one direction ;)

being persitant has fixed the issue with my fired, the other guy I dont
know yet as he just got into the club, but Ill give it a shot ;)

btw now my focus on my friend has moved onto 'rudimentary' rules.. like
how you traet your lie...
today I had to tell him he got two penalty strokes as he broke off a
twig in his effort to get a stance &quot;but its a dead tree&quot; ... &quot;yes but
its not a moveable object...&quot; ;)

bot always easy..

but keep in mind its not always because people want to cheat..

I myself were early in my career playing a turnament, when someone
pointed out I was in a hazardm when I grounded my club... the second he
said it I knew it was a penalty, and I felt pretty emabrrased, since it
felt like I had been trying to cheat.. :/ I was just too focused on
getting that dang ball on the green ;)


Bobby Knight wrote:
&gt; At our club there's a player that is one of the nicest guys you'll
&gt; ever meet. If you told him that you needed a couple of hundred and
&gt; didn't know if, or when, you could repay him, he'd be in his pocket in
&gt; a heartbeat.
&gt;
&gt; But. He'll cheat you on the golf course over and over and over. It
&gt; doesn't matter whether it's a $20 or $1 nassau. He was in our group
&gt; for an Olds Scramble once, and on the 11th hole we all missed a 6 ft.
&gt; putt for birdie. Two holes later I noticed that he had entered the
&gt; birdie. I mentioned it, he said that he thought we had made bird, but
&gt; corrected it. Three holes after that I noticed that the birdie was
&gt; back on 11 and told him so. He forgot, he said, erased it and
&gt; corrected it. When we finished we went over the card and the fucking
&gt; birdie was back! We railed at him and watched as he corrected it.
&gt; Then he turned in the card. Later, on our way out, we saw on the
&gt; scoreboard that we had birdied the 11th. This is for an Olds
&gt; Scramble and we weren't even in the running, with or without that
&gt; birdie.
&gt;
&gt; First of all, he's a pretty good player, 7 handicap. He doesn't need
&gt; to cheat. I've seen him bump his ball, pencil-whip, and when he has a
&gt; bet with someone out of his group, that someone had best look at his
&gt; scorecard and not let him just call out scores.
&gt;
&gt; Everyone knows this, and it got so bad that several years ago on a
&gt; Friday afternoon, after the regular men's day tournament when there
&gt; was a big crowd in the 19th hole, he was presented with a letter,
&gt; signed by over 30 players that outlined his transgressions.
&gt; Incidentally, this was after several of his friends had pulled him
&gt; aside to discuss it with him, to no avail. The letter said that from
&gt; that day on he was NOT to keep score in any group, and that further
&gt; cheating would result in his not being able to get a game with any of
&gt; them. He was contrite, apologized, and said that he'd clean up his
&gt; act. That was about 5 years ago...and he's back to his old ways.
&gt;
&gt; We've come to the conclusion that it's a sickness with him. We know
&gt; what has to be done, but it's really a drag since he is such a good
&gt; guy off the course.
&gt; ___,
&gt; \o
&gt; |
&gt; / \
&gt; .
&gt; &quot;Someone likes every shot&quot;!
&gt; bk

Report this message

#22: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-14 00:21:33 by fiveiron

no one is indispensable. if you don't stand for something, you'll fall
for anything.

&gt;mho
&gt;v fe

&gt;p l a n =A0y o u r =A0t r i p s -=A0u s e=A0 l e s s =A0g a s

Report this message

#23: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-14 02:24:54 by zumafan

annika1980 wrote:

&gt; On that note, I will say this. I've played a few RSG events with a lot
&gt; of different folks, many of them who I don't exactly see eye-to-eye
&gt; with (guess I'm too short). But I've never played with any RSGer who I
&gt; wouldn't trust to play a fair match. The spirit of the game seems to
&gt; infect all those who stay around here. It seems to be the one thing
&gt; that all you loons have in common. Trolls excluded, of course.

Sniff. That was beautiful man....

Report this message

#24: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-14 03:24:46 by unknown

Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)

Report this message

#25: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-14 03:53:51 by larrybud2002

&gt; Must be the season, or something.
&gt; In our Seniors club, we're just (as of today) deciding how to word the
&gt; letter we're sending to one of our members who was reported to us for
&gt; cheating in tournaments: improving lies, sometimes dropping from the
&gt; rough onto the fairway with no justification; helping a friend by
&gt; 'discovering' lost balls in hazards, etc.; bumping the ball and
&gt; defending it by saying, &quot;Everybody does it.&quot;

&gt; We have many members who won't play in club tournaments because they
&gt; want to bump. Fine. But this guy has taken prizes, and we're fed up,
&gt; and we're not gonna stand for it any more!!!

This one is simple, the guy's he's playing with have to call him on it.
And if he doesn't add the penalty strokes to his score, you DQ him for
signing an incorrect score card.

Report this message

#26: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-14 13:28:23 by Carbon

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:06:52 -0500, Bobby Knight wrote:

&gt; Everyone knows this, and it got so bad that several years ago on a
&gt; Friday afternoon, after the regular men's day tournament when there was
&gt; a big crowd in the 19th hole, he was presented with a letter, signed by
&gt; over 30 players that outlined his transgressions. Incidentally, this was
&gt; after several of his friends had pulled him aside to discuss it with
&gt; him, to no avail. The letter said that from that day on he was NOT to
&gt; keep score in any group, and that further cheating would result in his
&gt; not being able to get a game with any of them. He was contrite,
&gt; apologized, and said that he'd clean up his act. That was about 5 years
&gt; ago...and he's back to his old ways.
&gt;
&gt; We've come to the conclusion that it's a sickness with him. We know
&gt; what has to be done, but it's really a drag since he is such a good guy
&gt; off the course.

I think when your friend was learning the game the rules weren't taken
seriously enough. So now it's just how he plays. Unfortunate for him and
everyone he plays with.

When I was first getting started with golf the guy who was teaching me to
play was adamant about cheating. Why? When he was a junior he was caught
cheating in a bit tournament and disqualified. It was so traumatic that he
quit tournament golf and even quit golf altogether for a couple of years.
You learn the rules because they can work to your advantage, but you
never, ever cheat. After that start I don't even think about rolling the
ball, so I can't claim any sort of moral superiority. It's just how you
get started.

Report this message

#27: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-14 14:06:34 by dsc

Carbon wrote:
&gt; On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:06:52 -0500, Bobby Knight wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Everyone knows this, and it got so bad that several years ago on a
&gt; &gt; Friday afternoon, after the regular men's day tournament when there was
&gt; &gt; a big crowd in the 19th hole, he was presented with a letter, signed by
&gt; &gt; over 30 players that outlined his transgressions. Incidentally, this was
&gt; &gt; after several of his friends had pulled him aside to discuss it with
&gt; &gt; him, to no avail. The letter said that from that day on he was NOT to
&gt; &gt; keep score in any group, and that further cheating would result in his
&gt; &gt; not being able to get a game with any of them. He was contrite,
&gt; &gt; apologized, and said that he'd clean up his act. That was about 5 years
&gt; &gt; ago...and he's back to his old ways.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; We've come to the conclusion that it's a sickness with him. We know
&gt; &gt; what has to be done, but it's really a drag since he is such a good guy
&gt; &gt; off the course.
&gt;
&gt; I think when your friend was learning the game the rules weren't taken
&gt; seriously enough.

When I learned to play golf I ignored most rules (didnt' even know most
of the rules anyway, still don't know them all). I think that is
probably how most people learn golf. You don't need a lot of rules when
you start. Just learn to hit the ball, do-overs are good practice when
you are learning. Yet, everybody doesn't go on to be habitual cheats.
There's just something inside some people that's different. For them
the challenge is not about the game or even winning... it's about
cheating and getting away with it.

Report this message

#28: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-14 14:11:18 by dsc

&gt; When I learned to play golf I ignored most rules (didnt' even know most
&gt; of the rules anyway, still don't know them all). I think that is
&gt; probably how most people learn golf. You don't need a lot of rules when
&gt; you start. Just learn to hit the ball, do-overs are good practice when
&gt; you are learning. Yet, everybody doesn't go on to be habitual cheats.
&gt; There's just something inside some people that's different. For them
&gt; the challenge is not about the game or even winning... it's about
&gt; cheating and getting away with it.

I should add that I didn't play in tourneys or for bets at that either
though. It was all just for fun.

Report this message

#29: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-14 15:35:29 by John van der Pflum

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:52:29 -0500, Bobby Knight &lt;<a href="mailto:bknight&#64;conramp.net" target="_blank">bknight&#64;conramp.net</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;On 13 Jul 2006 09:47:51 -0700, &quot;annika1980&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:annika1980&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">annika1980&#64;aol.com</a>&gt;
&gt;wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&lt;clip.
&gt;&gt;When I was the hdcp chairman at my club back in the day GHIN would send
&gt;&gt;the handicap stickers to us to put on the handicap cards of the
&gt;&gt;members. There would usually be a few blank ones at the end that
&gt;&gt;hadn't been printed on. Every sandbagger's dream .... a &quot;fill in the
&gt;&gt;blank&quot; handicap card. Needless to say, I didn't lose too many out of
&gt;&gt;town matches back in those days. I called it my &quot;Away&quot; handicap. I
&gt;&gt;was Scratch at Home and 18 Away. And with my swing, who'd notice?
&gt;
&gt;Never happened. You're one of those that I would never question over
&gt;a drop :-)
&gt;
&gt; ___,
&gt; \o
&gt; |
&gt; / \
&gt; .
&gt;&quot;Someone likes every shot&quot;!
&gt;bk

Oh, I would. Think of all those years he used his cheatin' range
finder. The guy cannot be trusted.
--

jvdp
Sold myself to go to Scotland
<a href="http://www.rsgcincinnati.com" target="_blank">http://www.rsgcincinnati.com</a>

Report this message

#30: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-14 15:42:07 by thorpub

annika1980 wrote:
&gt; On that note, I will say this. I've played a few RSG events with a lot
&gt; of different folks, many of them who I don't exactly see eye-to-eye
&gt; with (guess I'm too short). But I've never played with any RSGer who I
&gt; wouldn't trust to play a fair match. The spirit of the game seems to
&gt; infect all those who stay around here. It seems to be the one thing
&gt; that all you loons have in common. Trolls excluded, of course.

You are going to ruin your reputation if you keep writing nice stuff
like this :-)

But it really is amazing to me the quality of golf I have seen at RSG
events.
Not skill in hitting shots or scoring, but in appreciation and respect
and love
for this great gemme. It is why I keep going to them and keep holding
RSG-Ohio each
year. It seems crazy to go long distances to play golf on ordinary
courses
with people you never met... but it is always worth it. Anybody who
has not been to an event should try one out! It is easy.
RSG-Cinncciinnnaattii is next week and
RSG-Ohio is Sept 15-17. Sign up for one!
<a href="http://rsgcincinnati.com" target="_blank">http://rsgcincinnati.com</a>
<a href="http://rsgohio.com" target="_blank">http://rsgohio.com</a> [info is from last year as yet... I gotta get
busy!]

Report this message

#31: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-14 16:41:03 by howard

On 13 Jul 2006 18:53:51 -0700, &quot;Larry Bud&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:larrybud2002&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">larrybud2002&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;This one is simple, the guy's he's playing with have to call him on it.
&gt; And if he doesn't add the penalty strokes to his score, you DQ him for
&gt;signing an incorrect score card.

Make sure to sign him up with 3 well-prepared players to do this to
the max next time.

Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services
----------------------------------------------------------
** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY **
----------------------------------------------------------
<a href="http://www.usenet.com" target="_blank">http://www.usenet.com</a>

Report this message

#32: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-14 16:48:23 by annika1980

John van der Pflum wrote:
&gt; &gt;Never happened. You're one of those that I would never question over
&gt; &gt;a drop :-)
&gt;
&gt; Oh, I would. Think of all those years he used his cheatin' range
&gt; finder. The guy cannot be trusted.
&gt; --

At least I didn't try to hide it.

-annika1980 ----&gt; RSG Champion Golfer of 2005

P.S. Don't drink from the jug!

Report this message

#33: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-14 16:54:40 by annika1980

Howard Brazee wrote:
&gt; &gt;This one is simple, the guy's he's playing with have to call him on it.
&gt; &gt; And if he doesn't add the penalty strokes to his score, you DQ him for
&gt; &gt;signing an incorrect score card.
&gt;
&gt; Make sure to sign him up with 3 well-prepared players to do this to
&gt; the max next time.

I played in a low-ball with a guy who shot an 82. I was the captain in
charge of the scores so after I turned in the card he asked, &quot;What did
you have me down for .... 74 ?&quot;
I said, &quot;Nope, 82. You gotta count em all, not just the ones you
liked.&quot;

I think that motto should be printed on every scorecard:

&quot;COUNT EM ALL, NOT JUST THE ONES YOU LIKE.&quot;

Or the Latin: &quot;E Pluralbust Addem&quot;

Report this message

#34: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-14 17:00:19 by jongreenmr10

&gt; But it really is amazing to me the quality of golf I have seen at RSG
&gt; events.
&gt; Not skill in hitting shots or scoring, but in appreciation and respect
&gt; and love
&gt; for this great gemme. It is why I keep going to them and keep holding
&gt; RSG-Ohio each
&gt; year. It seems crazy to go long distances to play golf on ordinary
&gt; courses
&gt; with people you never met... but it is always worth it. Anybody who
&gt; has not been to an event should try one out! It is easy.
&gt; RSG-Cinncciinnnaattii is next week and
&gt; RSG-Ohio is Sept 15-17. Sign up for one!
&gt; <a href="http://rsgcincinnati.com" target="_blank">http://rsgcincinnati.com</a>
&gt; <a href="http://rsgohio.com" target="_blank">http://rsgohio.com</a> [info is from last year as yet... I gotta get
&gt; busy!]

Geez, I'd rather lose with a low handicap than win sandbagging, what
fun is that? The thing is that sometimes the atmosphere of an RSG
event brings out the best in me, I'm relaxed, don't care, and play
better than my handicap . . . sometimes, than other times, I suck,
like getting an 18 on #8 (?) at the Players Club, but then that's just
golf.

And Annika may have that cheatin' range finder, but he doesn't use it
around the greens. That fucker gets up and down from everywhere. If I
had his or Tex's short game, I WOULD be a 10, or less.

Report this message

#35: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-14 17:08:11 by John van der Pflum

On 14 Jul 2006 07:48:23 -0700, &quot;annika1980&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:annika1980&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">annika1980&#64;aol.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;
&gt;P.S. Don't drink from the jug!

Uh-oh. Jean thought it was cool and wanted to drink lemonade out of
it.
--

jvdp
Sold myself to go to Scotland
<a href="http://www.rsgcincinnati.com" target="_blank">http://www.rsgcincinnati.com</a>

Report this message

#36: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-14 17:10:57 by Tex

John van der Pflum wrote:
&gt; On 14 Jul 2006 07:48:23 -0700, &quot;annika1980&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:annika1980&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">annika1980&#64;aol.com</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;P.S. Don't drink from the jug!
&gt;
&gt; Uh-oh. Jean thought it was cool and wanted to drink lemonade out of
&gt; it.

Might have looked like lemonaide...

Tex

Report this message

#37: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-14 17:11:48 by Tex

Mr 10 wrote:
&gt; And Annika may have that cheatin' range finder, but he doesn't use it
&gt; around the greens. That fucker gets up and down from everywhere. If I
&gt; had his or Tex's short game, I WOULD be a 10, or less.

Well, what's stopping you from getting that short game?
Hint: you won't find it on the computer...

Tex

Report this message

#38: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-14 19:09:08 by fiveiron

&gt;&quot;E Pluralbust Addem&quot;
&gt;&quot;COUNT EM ALL,
&gt;NOT JUST THE ONES YOU LIKE.&quot;

or,
e pluribus unum, one out of many, not all are honest, for those that
aren't, you put stumbling blocks in their path.

&gt;mho
&gt;v fe

&gt;p l a n =A0y o u r =A0t r i p s -=A0u s e=A0 l e s s =A0g a s

Report this message

#39: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-16 08:37:28 by Comcast Newsgroups

Did it occur to anyone to just have someone else on the scramble team keep
the score?

Randy

&quot;Bobby Knight&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:bknight&#64;conramp.net" target="_blank">bknight&#64;conramp.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:1uqcb2tp1s13nsp5mt3i7k2nqfd6viipl3&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">1uqcb2tp1s13nsp5mt3i7k2nqfd6viipl3&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt; At our club there's a player that is one of the nicest guys you'll
&gt; ever meet. If you told him that you needed a couple of hundred and
&gt; didn't know if, or when, you could repay him, he'd be in his pocket in
&gt; a heartbeat.
&gt;
&gt; But. He'll cheat you on the golf course over and over and over. It
&gt; doesn't matter whether it's a $20 or $1 nassau. He was in our group
&gt; for an Olds Scramble once, and on the 11th hole we all missed a 6 ft.
&gt; putt for birdie. Two holes later I noticed that he had entered the
&gt; birdie. I mentioned it, he said that he thought we had made bird, but
&gt; corrected it. Three holes after that I noticed that the birdie was
&gt; back on 11 and told him so. He forgot, he said, erased it and
&gt; corrected it. When we finished we went over the card and the fucking
&gt; birdie was back! We railed at him and watched as he corrected it.
&gt; Then he turned in the card. Later, on our way out, we saw on the
&gt; scoreboard that we had birdied the 11th. This is for an Olds
&gt; Scramble and we weren't even in the running, with or without that
&gt; birdie.
&gt;
&gt; First of all, he's a pretty good player, 7 handicap. He doesn't need
&gt; to cheat. I've seen him bump his ball, pencil-whip, and when he has a
&gt; bet with someone out of his group, that someone had best look at his
&gt; scorecard and not let him just call out scores.
&gt;
&gt; Everyone knows this, and it got so bad that several years ago on a
&gt; Friday afternoon, after the regular men's day tournament when there
&gt; was a big crowd in the 19th hole, he was presented with a letter,
&gt; signed by over 30 players that outlined his transgressions.
&gt; Incidentally, this was after several of his friends had pulled him
&gt; aside to discuss it with him, to no avail. The letter said that from
&gt; that day on he was NOT to keep score in any group, and that further
&gt; cheating would result in his not being able to get a game with any of
&gt; them. He was contrite, apologized, and said that he'd clean up his
&gt; act. That was about 5 years ago...and he's back to his old ways.
&gt;
&gt; We've come to the conclusion that it's a sickness with him. We know
&gt; what has to be done, but it's really a drag since he is such a good
&gt; guy off the course.
&gt; ___,
&gt; \o
&gt; |
&gt; / \
&gt; .
&gt; &quot;Someone likes every shot&quot;!
&gt; bk

Report this message

#40: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-16 08:40:21 by Comcast Newsgroups

&quot;Tex&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:marktexkoenig&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">marktexkoenig&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:1152889908.929493.183040&#64;s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1152889908.929493.183040&#64;s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...</a>
&gt;
&gt; Mr 10 wrote:
&gt;&gt; And Annika may have that cheatin' range finder, but he doesn't use it
&gt;&gt; around the greens. That fucker gets up and down from everywhere. If I
&gt;&gt; had his or Tex's short game, I WOULD be a 10, or less.
&gt;
&gt; Well, what's stopping you from getting that short game?
&gt; Hint: you won't find it on the computer...
&gt;
&gt; Tex


Amen to that!

Randy

Report this message

#41: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-16 08:42:02 by Comcast Newsgroups

&quot;Bobby Knight&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:bknight&#64;conramp.net" target="_blank">bknight&#64;conramp.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:gd4db2t02kf9d4ga0v8k69aqcd95mmbtg1&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">gd4db2t02kf9d4ga0v8k69aqcd95mmbtg1&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt; On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:24:47 GMT, Chris Bellomy
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:puevf&#64;tbbqfubj.arg.invalid" target="_blank">puevf&#64;tbbqfubj.arg.invalid</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Bobby Knight &lt;<a href="mailto:bknight&#64;conramp.net" target="_blank">bknight&#64;conramp.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;: On 13 Jul 2006 09:50:53 -0700, &quot;Larry Bud&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:larrybud2002&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">larrybud2002&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt;: wrote:
&gt;&gt;:
&gt;&gt;: &gt;&gt; act. That was about 5 years ago...and he's back to his old ways.
&gt;&gt;: &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;: &gt;&gt; We've come to the conclusion that it's a sickness with him. We know
&gt;&gt;: &gt;&gt; what has to be done, but it's really a drag since he is such a good
&gt;&gt;: &gt;&gt; guy off the course.
&gt;&gt;: &gt;
&gt;&gt;: &gt;It's a private club? Any way to prevent him from playing in
&gt;&gt;: &gt;competitive events? Or even more drastic, kick him out.
&gt;&gt;:
&gt;&gt;: Yep, private club. It's hard to explain, but we all like him so
&gt;&gt;: damned much that I guess we'll just have to go on as before and just
&gt;&gt;: watch him, and call him, on everything we see.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Watch him like a hawk, and never ever *ever* let him take part
&gt;&gt;in any bets again. Which I know is a huge PITA, but having a guy
&gt;&gt;like that in your game just totally screws up the enjoyment of
&gt;&gt;the competition, IMO. It's hard enough to play your own game
&gt;&gt;without having to supervise his.
&gt;
&gt; Thankfully I don't play in his group, but ours does play his group
&gt; each week in a team bet. Also thankfully, there are a couple of guys
&gt; in that group that do watch him.



Hell, you watched him ... and he still got away with turning in a cheater
score.

Randy



&gt; Incidentally we refer to them as &quot;Team Evil&quot;. They all know what we
&gt; mean by that.
&gt; ___,
&gt; \o
&gt; |
&gt; / \
&gt; .
&gt; &quot;Someone likes every shot&quot;!
&gt; bk

Report this message

#42: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-16 18:40:20 by kenpittsjr

Bobby -

At my former club, we had a guy in the Pigeons game who we repeatedly
caught cheating. The last straw was catching him using green life
savers and chap stik to help him with tee shots and shots from the
fairway. We (as the elected officers of the game) had a come to Jesus
meeting with him. The solution was that he was required to apologize to
everyone on the first tee on a Sunday morning. It was either that or he
wa out of the game. The shame of having to do that cured him.

In that game, your partner one day will certainly be your opponent the
next. So, the game tends to poice itself.

Best regads
Ken

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Bobby Knight wrote:
&gt; At our club there's a player that is one of the nicest guys you'll
&gt; ever meet. If you told him that you needed a couple of hundred and
&gt; didn't know if, or when, you could repay him, he'd be in his pocket in
&gt; a heartbeat.
&gt;
&gt; But. He'll cheat you on the golf course over and over and over. It
&gt; doesn't matter whether it's a $20 or $1 nassau.

Report this message

#43: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-16 19:11:44 by kenpittsjr

It is amazing to me that he would try that &quot;pencil whip&quot; so many times
after being called on it repeatedly.

Ken

++++++++++++++++++++++++
&quot;R&amp;B&quot; wrote:
&gt; &quot;Bobby Knight&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:bknight&#64;conramp.net" target="_blank">bknight&#64;conramp.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:gd4db2t02kf9d4ga0v8k69aqcd95mmbtg1&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">gd4db2t02kf9d4ga0v8k69aqcd95mmbtg1&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt; &gt; On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:24:47 GMT, Chris Bellomy
&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:puevf&#64;tbbqfubj.arg.invalid" target="_blank">puevf&#64;tbbqfubj.arg.invalid</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;Bobby Knight &lt;<a href="mailto:bknight&#64;conramp.net" target="_blank">bknight&#64;conramp.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt;: On 13 Jul 2006 09:50:53 -0700, &quot;Larry Bud&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:larrybud2002&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">larrybud2002&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;: wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt;:
&gt; &gt;&gt;: &gt;&gt; act. That was about 5 years ago...and he's back to his old ways.
&gt; &gt;&gt;: &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;: &gt;&gt; We've come to the conclusion that it's a sickness with him. We know
&gt; &gt;&gt;: &gt;&gt; what has to be done, but it's really a drag since he is such a good
&gt; &gt;&gt;: &gt;&gt; guy off the course.
&gt; &gt;&gt;: &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;: &gt;It's a private club? Any way to prevent him from playing in
&gt; &gt;&gt;: &gt;competitive events? Or even more drastic, kick him out.
&gt; &gt;&gt;:
&gt; &gt;&gt;: Yep, private club. It's hard to explain, but we all like him so
&gt; &gt;&gt;: damned much that I guess we'll just have to go on as before and just
&gt; &gt;&gt;: watch him, and call him, on everything we see.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;Watch him like a hawk, and never ever *ever* let him take part
&gt; &gt;&gt;in any bets again. Which I know is a huge PITA, but having a guy
&gt; &gt;&gt;like that in your game just totally screws up the enjoyment of
&gt; &gt;&gt;the competition, IMO. It's hard enough to play your own game
&gt; &gt;&gt;without having to supervise his.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Thankfully I don't play in his group, but ours does play his group
&gt; &gt; each week in a team bet. Also thankfully, there are a couple of guys
&gt; &gt; in that group that do watch him.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Hell, you watched him ... and he still got away with turning in a cheater
&gt; score.
&gt;
&gt; Randy
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Incidentally we refer to them as &quot;Team Evil&quot;. They all know what we
&gt; &gt; mean by that.
&gt; &gt; ___,
&gt; &gt; \o
&gt; &gt; |
&gt; &gt; / \
&gt; &gt; .
&gt; &gt; &quot;Someone likes every shot&quot;!
&gt; &gt; bk

Report this message

#44: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-16 19:57:50 by donaroof

Before I get on my soapbox, let me say that I played for years in a
rather high stakes poker game with a guy that we had caught cheating
numerous times and had, in fact, finally confronted him in a situation
that turned violent and almost deadly.

The upshot: After banning him for awhile we finally let him play again
with the proviso that he couldn't deal....

So....I'm no one to talk, but...

The golfer here is described as somebody who would lend you a couple
of hundred without worrying about when he would be repaid and a great
guy off of the golf course.

How many times have you heard an asshole drunk described as a &quot;nice guy
when he's sober&quot;?

The cheater here may not give a rat's ass about $200 or even more. He
may, in fact, be a nice guy other than the fact that he cheats on the
golf course.

Chances are that he doesn't care about the money he steals as much as he
cares about winning, and make no mistake: he IS stealing if he takes
money by cheating.

If you know he's a cheater and you still play with him, you know what to
expect.

I don't care how &quot;nice&quot; he is off the course, he's bullshitting
somebody.

Nobody who goes to that much trouble to cheat someone out of a golf game
for MONEY is OK.

He's stealing. Period.

He's a cheat AND a crook. =A0 I wouldn't play golf with him and if
enough guys in your club feel the same way about him they shouldn't
play with him either.

On the other hand if you DO play with somebody like that on the basis
that he is a &quot;nice&quot; guy otherwise ..... =A0 caveat emptor.

It's the old story where the good-hearted trapper finds a rattlesnake
frozen stiff, and with love in his heart and compassion in mind, takes
the snake back to his cabin and thaws it out and feeds and nourishes it
only to have the snake bite him as soon as it regains its strength.

As the trapper is lying on the floor dying he gasps out, &quot;I took you in,
thawed you out, saved you from dying and nursed you back to health and
THIS is how you repay me?&quot;

The snake looks at him dispassionately and says, &quot;You knew I was a
rattlesnake when you picked me up.&quot;

Report this message

#45: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-16 20:28:43 by kenpittsjr

Another known cheater I've experienced admitted when cornered &quot;I jus
can't stand to lose.&quot;. Nice guy otherwise, but something in his ego
drove him to always &quot;find&quot; his ball in play no matter how far gone it
seemed to be. Another player conceded a match to him in a club event
once after about nine holes. He explained &quot;If you need this so badly, I
can't really take it from you.&quot;. The cheater kept asking &quot;What do you
mean?&quot;. He knew what he meant.

Ken

++++++++++++++++++++


Don A Roof wrote:
&gt; Before I get on my soapbox, let me say that I played for years in a
&gt; rather high stakes poker game with a guy that we had caught cheating
&gt; numerous times and had, in fact, finally confronted him in a situation
&gt; that turned violent and almost deadly.
&gt;
&lt;snip&gt;

Report this message

#46: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-16 22:26:51 by bknight

On 16 Jul 2006 09:40:20 -0700, <a href="mailto:kenpittsjr&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">kenpittsjr&#64;gmail.com</a> wrote:

&gt;Bobby -
&gt;
&gt;At my former club, we had a guy in the Pigeons game who we repeatedly
&gt;caught cheating. The last straw was catching him using green life
&gt;savers and chap stik to help him with tee shots and shots from the
&gt;fairway.
I understand the chapstick, but green lifesavers???
___,
\o
|
/ \
.
&quot;Someone likes every shot&quot;!
bk

Report this message

#47: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-16 22:33:25 by Czar Drooling Simpleton I

Bobby Knight &lt;<a href="mailto:bknight&#64;conramp.net" target="_blank">bknight&#64;conramp.net</a>&gt; wrote:
: On 16 Jul 2006 09:40:20 -0700, <a href="mailto:kenpittsjr&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">kenpittsjr&#64;gmail.com</a> wrote:
:
: &gt;Bobby -
: &gt;
: &gt;At my former club, we had a guy in the Pigeons game who we repeatedly
: &gt;caught cheating. The last straw was catching him using green life
: &gt;savers and chap stik to help him with tee shots and shots from the
: &gt;fairway.
:
: I understand the chapstick, but green lifesavers???

Invisible tee.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
<a href="http://clist.org/" target="_blank">http://clist.org/</a>

Report this message

#48: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-16 22:37:03 by sfb

Tee the ball up.

&quot;Bobby Knight&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:bknight&#64;conramp.net" target="_blank">bknight&#64;conramp.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:678lb2t4fa7u0oerorfg9ljjjh9o5brbm9&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">678lb2t4fa7u0oerorfg9ljjjh9o5brbm9&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt; On 16 Jul 2006 09:40:20 -0700, <a href="mailto:kenpittsjr&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">kenpittsjr&#64;gmail.com</a> wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Bobby -
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;At my former club, we had a guy in the Pigeons game who we repeatedly
&gt;&gt;caught cheating. The last straw was catching him using green life
&gt;&gt;savers and chap stik to help him with tee shots and shots from the
&gt;&gt;fairway.
&gt; I understand the chapstick, but green lifesavers???
&gt; ___,
&gt; \o
&gt; |
&gt; / \
&gt; .
&gt; &quot;Someone likes every shot&quot;!
&gt; bk

Report this message

#49: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-17 00:24:42 by kenpittsjr

Chris and sfb have it right. But he had to be slick enough to jack the
ball up on the life saver without being seen. We play the ball down and
hle everything out in the Pigeons. FWIW, the candy shatters leaving
nothing behind on impact.

Ken

+++++++++++++++++++++++
Bobby Knight wrote:
&gt; On 16 Jul 2006 09:40:20 -0700, <a href="mailto:kenpittsjr&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">kenpittsjr&#64;gmail.com</a> wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;Bobby -
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;At my former club, we had a guy in the Pigeons game who we repeatedly
&gt; &gt;caught cheating. The last straw was catching him using green life
&gt; &gt;savers and chap stik to help him with tee shots and shots from the
&gt; &gt;fairway.
&gt; I understand the chapstick, but green lifesavers???
&gt; ___,
&gt; \o
&gt; |
&gt; / \
&gt; .
&gt; &quot;Someone likes every shot&quot;!
&gt; bk

Report this message

#50: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-17 00:39:30 by bknight

On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:33:25 GMT, Chris Bellomy
&lt;<a href="mailto:puevf&#64;tbbqfubj.arg.invalid" target="_blank">puevf&#64;tbbqfubj.arg.invalid</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;Bobby Knight &lt;<a href="mailto:bknight&#64;conramp.net" target="_blank">bknight&#64;conramp.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;: On 16 Jul 2006 09:40:20 -0700, <a href="mailto:kenpittsjr&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">kenpittsjr&#64;gmail.com</a> wrote:
&gt;:
&gt;: &gt;Bobby -
&gt;: &gt;
&gt;: &gt;At my former club, we had a guy in the Pigeons game who we repeatedly
&gt;: &gt;caught cheating. The last straw was catching him using green life
&gt;: &gt;savers and chap stik to help him with tee shots and shots from the
&gt;: &gt;fairway.
&gt;:
&gt;: I understand the chapstick, but green lifesavers???
&gt;
&gt;Invisible tee.

Boy, that would be obvious.
___,
\o
|
/ \
.
&quot;Someone likes every shot&quot;!
bk

Report this message

#51: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-17 02:31:35 by kenpittsjr

Not so obvious Bobby. Impact almost vaporizes the candy. The whole
trick is to get the ball jacked up on the candy without being seen.
Plus, he wouldn't do it on every shot, only when he felt he needed the
assit. He would almost always have one (or more) going in his mouth so
that the one that is used would be mostly consumed.

Probably half of our game would walk. Let's say you have one cart in a
group and the cheater is in the cart. Usually the other occupant of the
cart would go to his ball. Then, not too hard to get it done.

He was very sly with the chap stik too.

Ken

+++++++++++++++++++++
Bobby Knight wrote:

&gt; Boy, that would be obvious.
&gt; ___,
&gt; \o
&gt; |
&gt; / \
&gt; .
&gt; &quot;Someone likes every shot&quot;!
&gt; bk

Report this message

#52: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-17 02:31:35 by bknight

On 16 Jul 2006 18:19:45 -0700, <a href="mailto:kenpittsjr&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">kenpittsjr&#64;gmail.com</a> wrote:

&gt;Not so obvious Bobby. Impact almost vaporizes the candy. The whole
&gt;trick is to get the ball jacked up on the candy without being seen.
&gt;Plus, he wouldn't do it on every shot, only when he felt he needed the
&gt;assit. He would almost always have one (or more) going in his mouth so
&gt;that the one that is used would be mostly consumed.
&gt;
&gt;Probably half of our game would walk. Let's say you have one cart in a
&gt;group and the cheater is in the cart. Usually the other occupant of the
&gt;cart would go to his ball. Then, not too hard to get it done.
&gt;
&gt;He was very sly with the chap stik too.
&gt;
There was a hustler in L.A. that was caughtwith the inside of his
driver cover coated with vaseline.

___,
\o
|
/ \
.
“Someone likes every shot”
bk

Report this message

#53: Re: Speaking of Cheaters

Posted on 2006-07-17 02:31:35 by kenpittsjr

FWIW, I never felt that teeing the ball with anything shorter than a
four iron was such a big advantage. But, I read an article by Arnold
Palmer in which he said to always use a tee any time you can. So I do.

How did this hustler get the vaseline on the face and not ll over the
rest of the head?

Ken

++++++++++++++++++++++
Bobby Knight wrote:
&gt; There was a hustler in L.A. that was caughtwith the inside of his
&gt; driver cover coated with vaseline.
&gt;
&gt; ___,
&gt; \o
&gt; |
&gt; / \
&gt; .
&gt; &quot;Someone likes every shot&quot;
&gt; bk

Report this message