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#1: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-13 03:13:49 by gomavs

Thats my over-all opinion thus far.

Maybe if Croshere and Ager do excellent.. and maybe if Diop grows by leaps
and bounds or Shrek'. But overall they have simply traded out some
players... but you know, the Mavs are still missing a dominant big man...
That's just the bottom line.. What next? More doubling of Duncan and Shaq?

I thought the Mavs were fortunate this year to make it as far as they did
without a dominant center..

The facts remain.. if you dont have a good center then you dont have a
championship..

Ben Wallace, Shaq, Duncan... and Ben Wallace went straight to Chicago...

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#2: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-13 08:05:46 by mcnulla

*mavs* wrote:
> Thats my over-all opinion thus far.
>
> Maybe if Croshere and Ager do excellent.. and maybe if Diop grows by leaps
> and bounds or Shrek'. But overall they have simply traded out some
> players... but you know, the Mavs are still missing a dominant big man...
> That's just the bottom line.. What next? More doubling of Duncan and Shaq?
>
> I thought the Mavs were fortunate this year to make it as far as they did
> without a dominant center..
>
> The facts remain.. if you dont have a good center then you dont have a
> championship..
>
> Ben Wallace, Shaq, Duncan... and Ben Wallace went straight to Chicago...

i don't think that's the problem. the mavs didn't get any better on
paper. you lost kvh and daniels, you got ager and kvh. that's not a
typo, the only difference is 2nd pick vs 12th pick. their stats are
interchangable. they both are charmin, hurt all the time, and don't play D.

anyway, he's not going to be the difference on the team or even a key.
the mavs are good, they just didn't finish what the started. you have to
ask yourself, did they really get over the hump, or did they do the same
thing in a different way?

personally, i don't know if the spurs are better or worse. nazr and
rasho? neither was huge. maybe nazr a little in the 2005 playoffs, but
he's got hands of stone and never learned the defensive rotations. ewill
and boner? beats me what they will do.

dave

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#3: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-13 08:34:02 by gomavs

Yes they simply traded out players if you want to look at it that way...

but at the same drop... I think a dominant center is completely
important..... no one fears dampier.. I am sad were going to have to put up
with his ass for another year.


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&gt; *mavs* wrote:
&gt;&gt; Thats my over-all opinion thus far.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Maybe if Croshere and Ager do excellent.. and maybe if Diop grows by
&gt;&gt; leaps and bounds or Shrek'. But overall they have simply traded out some
&gt;&gt; players... but you know, the Mavs are still missing a dominant big man...
&gt;&gt; That's just the bottom line.. What next? More doubling of Duncan and
&gt;&gt; Shaq?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I thought the Mavs were fortunate this year to make it as far as they did
&gt;&gt; without a dominant center..
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; The facts remain.. if you dont have a good center then you dont have a
&gt;&gt; championship..
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Ben Wallace, Shaq, Duncan... and Ben Wallace went straight to Chicago...
&gt;
&gt; i don't think that's the problem. the mavs didn't get any better on paper.
&gt; you lost kvh and daniels, you got ager and kvh. that's not a typo, the
&gt; only difference is 2nd pick vs 12th pick. their stats are interchangable.
&gt; they both are charmin, hurt all the time, and don't play D.
&gt;
&gt; anyway, he's not going to be the difference on the team or even a key. the
&gt; mavs are good, they just didn't finish what the started. you have to ask
&gt; yourself, did they really get over the hump, or did they do the same thing
&gt; in a different way?
&gt;
&gt; personally, i don't know if the spurs are better or worse. nazr and rasho?
&gt; neither was huge. maybe nazr a little in the 2005 playoffs, but he's got
&gt; hands of stone and never learned the defensive rotations. ewill and boner?
&gt; beats me what they will do.
&gt;
&gt; dave

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#4: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-13 08:57:51 by Calijd

*mavs* wrote:
&gt; Yes they simply traded out players if you want to look at it that way...
&gt;
&gt; but at the same drop... I think a dominant center is completely
&gt; important..... no one fears dampier.. I am sad were going to have to put up
&gt; with his ass for another year.
&gt;
&gt;
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&gt; &gt; *mavs* wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; Thats my over-all opinion thus far.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Maybe if Croshere and Ager do excellent.. and maybe if Diop grows by
&gt; &gt;&gt; leaps and bounds or Shrek'. But overall they have simply traded out some
&gt; &gt;&gt; players... but you know, the Mavs are still missing a dominant big man...
&gt; &gt;&gt; That's just the bottom line.. What next? More doubling of Duncan and
&gt; &gt;&gt; Shaq?
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; I thought the Mavs were fortunate this year to make it as far as they did
&gt; &gt;&gt; without a dominant center..
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; The facts remain.. if you dont have a good center then you dont have a
&gt; &gt;&gt; championship..
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Ben Wallace, Shaq, Duncan... and Ben Wallace went straight to Chicago...
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; i don't think that's the problem. the mavs didn't get any better on paper.
&gt; &gt; you lost kvh and daniels, you got ager and kvh. that's not a typo, the
&gt; &gt; only difference is 2nd pick vs 12th pick. their stats are interchangable.
&gt; &gt; they both are charmin, hurt all the time, and don't play D.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; anyway, he's not going to be the difference on the team or even a key. the
&gt; &gt; mavs are good, they just didn't finish what the started. you have to ask
&gt; &gt; yourself, did they really get over the hump, or did they do the same thing
&gt; &gt; in a different way?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; personally, i don't know if the spurs are better or worse. nazr and rasho?
&gt; &gt; neither was huge. maybe nazr a little in the 2005 playoffs, but he's got
&gt; &gt; hands of stone and never learned the defensive rotations. ewill and boner?
&gt; &gt; beats me what they will do.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; dave

I see where you're coming from, but the difference in that series was
the fact that dwade and the other players stepped up down the stretch
in the final 4 games. Dirk and your boys didn't. When it boiled down
to heart and will to win, you came up short because your players are
mentally soft. I'm not saying they are not good players, they just
don't have the closer mentality collectively.

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#5: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-13 09:38:18 by gomavs

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&gt; I see where you're coming from, but the difference in that series was
&gt; the fact that dwade and the other players stepped up down the stretch
&gt; in the final 4 games. Dirk and your boys didn't. When it boiled down
&gt; to heart and will to win, you came up short because your players are
&gt; mentally soft. I'm not saying they are not good players, they just
&gt; don't have the closer mentality collectively.


I don't think Dirk ever showed up in the series. He missed even when he
wasnt being guarded well.
Nonetheless I wonder if he would have been more calm if he had someone under
the basket... he sure as shit wouldnt have been double teamed...

The fact is that the Heat had the center that the Mavs dont have.

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#6: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-13 09:42:35 by Mr Black

&quot;*&gt; but at the same drop... I think a dominant center is completely
&gt; important.....

a dominant big man is like having a chmpionship, not many teams have it, and
they all want it.

MrB

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#7: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-13 12:10:07 by jW

they missed their window

done



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&gt; Thats my over-all opinion thus far.
&gt;
&gt; Maybe if Croshere and Ager do excellent.. and maybe if Diop grows by leaps
&gt; and bounds or Shrek'. But overall they have simply traded out some
&gt; players... but you know, the Mavs are still missing a dominant big man...
&gt; That's just the bottom line.. What next? More doubling of Duncan and Shaq?
&gt;
&gt; I thought the Mavs were fortunate this year to make it as far as they did
&gt; without a dominant center..
&gt;
&gt; The facts remain.. if you dont have a good center then you dont have a
&gt; championship..
&gt;
&gt; Ben Wallace, Shaq, Duncan... and Ben Wallace went straight to Chicago...
&gt;

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#8: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-13 16:44:13 by Marcus Kwan

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:34:02 GMT, &quot;*mavs*&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gomavs&#64;gomavz.com" target="_blank">gomavs&#64;gomavz.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;Yes they simply traded out players if you want to look at it that way...
&gt;
&gt;but at the same drop... I think a dominant center is completely
&gt;important..... no one fears dampier.. I am sad were going to have to put up
&gt;with his ass for another year.
&gt;

Damp and DIop are fine defensively. They did a pretty adequate job on
Duncan. Neither can score a lick, but the Mav offense does not move
through the low post. Ager will replace Daniels' minutes, which is to
say he will have 5 to 10 inconsequential minutes a game.

Mavs did not improve, but neither did the Spurs or Pistons, and it
remains to be seen if the Heat can hold together. Don't start
panicking just yet.

&gt;
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&gt;&gt; *mavs* wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; Thats my over-all opinion thus far.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Maybe if Croshere and Ager do excellent.. and maybe if Diop grows by
&gt;&gt;&gt; leaps and bounds or Shrek'. But overall they have simply traded out some
&gt;&gt;&gt; players... but you know, the Mavs are still missing a dominant big man...
&gt;&gt;&gt; That's just the bottom line.. What next? More doubling of Duncan and
&gt;&gt;&gt; Shaq?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I thought the Mavs were fortunate this year to make it as far as they did
&gt;&gt;&gt; without a dominant center..
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; The facts remain.. if you dont have a good center then you dont have a
&gt;&gt;&gt; championship..
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Ben Wallace, Shaq, Duncan... and Ben Wallace went straight to Chicago...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; i don't think that's the problem. the mavs didn't get any better on paper.
&gt;&gt; you lost kvh and daniels, you got ager and kvh. that's not a typo, the
&gt;&gt; only difference is 2nd pick vs 12th pick. their stats are interchangable.
&gt;&gt; they both are charmin, hurt all the time, and don't play D.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; anyway, he's not going to be the difference on the team or even a key. the
&gt;&gt; mavs are good, they just didn't finish what the started. you have to ask
&gt;&gt; yourself, did they really get over the hump, or did they do the same thing
&gt;&gt; in a different way?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; personally, i don't know if the spurs are better or worse. nazr and rasho?
&gt;&gt; neither was huge. maybe nazr a little in the 2005 playoffs, but he's got
&gt;&gt; hands of stone and never learned the defensive rotations. ewill and boner?
&gt;&gt; beats me what they will do.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; dave
&gt;

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#9: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-13 17:59:09 by po.ning

*mavs* wrote:
&gt; Yes they simply traded out players if you want to look at it that way...
&gt;
&gt; but at the same drop... I think a dominant center is completely
&gt; important..... no one fears dampier.. I am sad were going to have to put up
&gt; with his ass for another year.

But where are the dominant centers in the League? Shaq was certainly
not dominant in the PO.



&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &quot;Dave McNulla&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mcnulla&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">mcnulla&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &gt; *mavs* wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; Thats my over-all opinion thus far.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Maybe if Croshere and Ager do excellent.. and maybe if Diop grows by
&gt; &gt;&gt; leaps and bounds or Shrek'. But overall they have simply traded out some
&gt; &gt;&gt; players... but you know, the Mavs are still missing a dominant big man...
&gt; &gt;&gt; That's just the bottom line.. What next? More doubling of Duncan and
&gt; &gt;&gt; Shaq?
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; I thought the Mavs were fortunate this year to make it as far as they did
&gt; &gt;&gt; without a dominant center..
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; The facts remain.. if you dont have a good center then you dont have a
&gt; &gt;&gt; championship..
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Ben Wallace, Shaq, Duncan... and Ben Wallace went straight to Chicago...
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; i don't think that's the problem. the mavs didn't get any better on paper.
&gt; &gt; you lost kvh and daniels, you got ager and kvh. that's not a typo, the
&gt; &gt; only difference is 2nd pick vs 12th pick. their stats are interchangable.
&gt; &gt; they both are charmin, hurt all the time, and don't play D.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; anyway, he's not going to be the difference on the team or even a key. the
&gt; &gt; mavs are good, they just didn't finish what the started. you have to ask
&gt; &gt; yourself, did they really get over the hump, or did they do the same thing
&gt; &gt; in a different way?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; personally, i don't know if the spurs are better or worse. nazr and rasho?
&gt; &gt; neither was huge. maybe nazr a little in the 2005 playoffs, but he's got
&gt; &gt; hands of stone and never learned the defensive rotations. ewill and boner?
&gt; &gt; beats me what they will do.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; dave

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#10: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-13 20:02:04 by Lee Watkins

*mavs* wrote:
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&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;I see where you're coming from, but the difference in that series was
&gt;&gt;the fact that dwade and the other players stepped up down the stretch
&gt;&gt;in the final 4 games. Dirk and your boys didn't. When it boiled down
&gt;&gt;to heart and will to win, you came up short because your players are
&gt;&gt;mentally soft. I'm not saying they are not good players, they just
&gt;&gt;don't have the closer mentality collectively.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I don't think Dirk ever showed up in the series. He missed even when he
&gt; wasnt being guarded well.
&gt; Nonetheless I wonder if he would have been more calm if he had someone under
&gt; the basket... he sure as shit wouldnt have been double teamed...
&gt;
&gt; The fact is that the Heat had the center that the Mavs dont have.
&gt;
&gt;

i dunno about that. shaq put up some pretty pedestrian numbers in the
finals. IMO it all comes down to poise and mental toughness. this is
not a knock, or a rub it in....just an observation, something that i
stated months ago and still stand by it.

lee

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#11: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-13 22:34:39 by gomavs

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&gt; i dunno about that. shaq put up some pretty pedestrian numbers in the
&gt; finals. IMO it all comes down to poise and mental toughness. this is not
&gt; a knock, or a rub it in....just an observation, something that i stated
&gt; months ago and still stand by it.
&gt;
&gt; lee

Think about it though. They were double teaming Shaq...Ofcourse he had some
pedestrian numbers but at what cost?

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#12: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-13 22:35:39 by gomavs

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&gt; Damp and DIop are fine defensively. They did a pretty adequate job on
&gt; Duncan. Neither can score a lick, but the Mav offense does not move
&gt; through the low post. Ager will replace Daniels' minutes, which is to
&gt; say he will have 5 to 10 inconsequential minutes a game.
&gt;
&gt; Mavs did not improve, but neither did the Spurs or Pistons, and it
&gt; remains to be seen if the Heat can hold together. Don't start
&gt; panicking just yet.

Teams are going to need to be more versatile against Phoenix...

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#13: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-14 08:48:17 by Lee Watkins

*mavs* wrote:
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&gt;&gt;*mavs* wrote:
&gt;&gt;
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&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;i dunno about that. shaq put up some pretty pedestrian numbers in the
&gt;&gt;finals. IMO it all comes down to poise and mental toughness. this is not
&gt;&gt;a knock, or a rub it in....just an observation, something that i stated
&gt;&gt;months ago and still stand by it.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;lee
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Think about it though. They were double teaming Shaq...Ofcourse he had some
&gt; pedestrian numbers but at what cost?
&gt;
&gt;

SOME pedestrian numbers? his finals scoring average was ELEVEN POINTS
below his career scoring average.
he had MULTIPLE single digit scoring games in the series.
has he had that many in his career?
shaq has been double teamed his whole career. so dallas is the 1st team
to figure out how to defend o'meal effectively?
age and wear are catching up to the snaq daddy.


lee

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#14: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-14 13:12:53 by gomavs

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&gt; SOME pedestrian numbers? his finals scoring average was ELEVEN POINTS
&gt; below his career scoring average.
&gt; he had MULTIPLE single digit scoring games in the series.
&gt; has he had that many in his career?
&gt; shaq has been double teamed his whole career. so dallas is the 1st team
&gt; to figure out how to defend o'meal effectively?
&gt; age and wear are catching up to the snaq daddy.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; lee


Shaq is tired.. but the fact is we had no inside game and it wasnt because
we just decided to go against the fray and toss up jumpers.. It was because
we had no threat.. and sure Shaqs numbers may have been off.. but we had two
players tending to him all game.. which left the floor open... Either way
those points were going to come..

My point is you need a good thread inside... if the mavs had shaq and zo..
they become a much more dominant team.. if they had duncan.. much more
dominant.. if they had wallace.. much more dominant.. but they didnt..

they had a couple of centers who needed help defending an aging center as
you call him... and they couldnt score well at the other end... that doesnt
win championships..

but like someone else said.. there are only so many dominant centers to go
around..

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#15: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-14 15:08:45 by John

&quot;Lee Watkins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:spamisforsandwiches-lwatkins&#64;falcon.tamucc.edu" target="_blank">spamisforsandwiches-lwatkins&#64;falcon.tamucc.edu</a>&gt; wrote in
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&gt;
&gt; SOME pedestrian numbers? his finals scoring average was ELEVEN POINTS
&gt; below his career scoring average.
&gt; he had MULTIPLE single digit scoring games in the series.
&gt; has he had that many in his career?
&gt; shaq has been double teamed his whole career. so dallas is the 1st team
&gt; to figure out how to defend o'meal effectively?
&gt; age and wear are catching up to the snaq daddy.

And yet Shaq wears a ring while the Mavs can crow about holding Shaq far
below his career scoring average. I'm sure Miami is frustrated about this.


&gt;
&gt;
&gt; lee

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#16: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-14 16:59:17 by po.ning

*mavs* wrote:
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&gt;
&gt; &gt; Damp and DIop are fine defensively. They did a pretty adequate job on
&gt; &gt; Duncan. Neither can score a lick, but the Mav offense does not move
&gt; &gt; through the low post. Ager will replace Daniels' minutes, which is to
&gt; &gt; say he will have 5 to 10 inconsequential minutes a game.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Mavs did not improve, but neither did the Spurs or Pistons, and it
&gt; &gt; remains to be seen if the Heat can hold together. Don't start
&gt; &gt; panicking just yet.
&gt;
&gt; Teams are going to need to be more versatile against Phoenix...

Phoenix has so far shown not to be the team built for PO.

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#17: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-14 21:16:55 by Marcus Kwan

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:35:39 GMT, &quot;*mavs*&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gomavs&#64;gomavz.com" target="_blank">gomavs&#64;gomavz.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;
&gt;&quot;Marcus Kwan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mnospamkwan1&#64;gte.net" target="_blank">mnospamkwan1&#64;gte.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt;&gt; Damp and DIop are fine defensively. They did a pretty adequate job on
&gt;&gt; Duncan. Neither can score a lick, but the Mav offense does not move
&gt;&gt; through the low post. Ager will replace Daniels' minutes, which is to
&gt;&gt; say he will have 5 to 10 inconsequential minutes a game.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Mavs did not improve, but neither did the Spurs or Pistons, and it
&gt;&gt; remains to be seen if the Heat can hold together. Don't start
&gt;&gt; panicking just yet.
&gt;
&gt;Teams are going to need to be more versatile against Phoenix...
&gt;
why?

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#18: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-14 22:12:09 by gomavs

&quot;Marcus Kwan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mnospamkwan1&#64;gte.net" target="_blank">mnospamkwan1&#64;gte.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:35:39 GMT, &quot;*mavs*&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gomavs&#64;gomavz.com" target="_blank">gomavs&#64;gomavz.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;&gt;Teams are going to need to be more versatile against Phoenix...
&gt;&gt;
&gt; why?

Because Stoudamire is coming back and they are in no way built as a
traditional team.

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#19: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-14 22:26:05 by Dave McNulla

*mavs* wrote:
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&gt; &gt; On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:35:39 GMT, &quot;*mavs*&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gomavs&#64;gomavz.com" target="_blank">gomavs&#64;gomavz.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;Teams are going to need to be more versatile against Phoenix...
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; why?
&gt;
&gt; Because Stoudamire is coming back and they are in no way built as a
&gt; traditional team.

he scares the mavs, not the spurs. crazy, huh? he scored so many points
against the spurs, but just couldn't beat them.

dave

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#20: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-15 00:24:20 by Marcus Kwan

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:12:09 GMT, &quot;*mavs*&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gomavs&#64;gomavz.com" target="_blank">gomavs&#64;gomavz.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;
&gt;&quot;Marcus Kwan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mnospamkwan1&#64;gte.net" target="_blank">mnospamkwan1&#64;gte.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt; On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:35:39 GMT, &quot;*mavs*&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gomavs&#64;gomavz.com" target="_blank">gomavs&#64;gomavz.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Teams are going to need to be more versatile against Phoenix...
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; why?
&gt;
&gt;Because Stoudamire is coming back and they are in no way built as a
&gt;traditional team.
&gt;

And they have proven that they are the number one threat to win a
championship exactly when?

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#21: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-15 00:59:02 by gomavs

&quot;Marcus Kwan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mnospamkwan1&#64;gte.net" target="_blank">mnospamkwan1&#64;gte.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:12:09 GMT, &quot;*mavs*&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gomavs&#64;gomavz.com" target="_blank">gomavs&#64;gomavz.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; And they have proven that they are the number one threat to win a
&gt; championship exactly when?

I think they are going to be the threat this year. I think they are the
number one team in the west. I don't want it though. Trust me when I say I
would rather it be the Mavs first, Spurs second.. etc...

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#22: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-15 01:29:06 by po.ning

*mavs* wrote:
&gt; &quot;Marcus Kwan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mnospamkwan1&#64;gte.net" target="_blank">mnospamkwan1&#64;gte.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &gt; On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:35:39 GMT, &quot;*mavs*&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gomavs&#64;gomavz.com" target="_blank">gomavs&#64;gomavz.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;Teams are going to need to be more versatile against Phoenix...
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; why?
&gt;
&gt; Because Stoudamire is coming back and they are in no way built as a
&gt; traditional team.

Lets see how good he is coming back from injury,

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#23: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-15 02:10:40 by John

&quot;Marcus Kwan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mnospamkwan1&#64;gte.net" target="_blank">mnospamkwan1&#64;gte.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:12:09 GMT, &quot;*mavs*&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gomavs&#64;gomavz.com" target="_blank">gomavs&#64;gomavz.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&quot;Marcus Kwan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mnospamkwan1&#64;gte.net" target="_blank">mnospamkwan1&#64;gte.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &gt;&gt; On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:35:39 GMT, &quot;*mavs*&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gomavs&#64;gomavz.com" target="_blank">gomavs&#64;gomavz.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;Teams are going to need to be more versatile against Phoenix...
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; why?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Because Stoudamire is coming back and they are in no way built as a
&gt; &gt;traditional team.
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; And they have proven that they are the number one threat to win a
&gt; championship exactly when?

Champions for the future are usually based on the past. No one would have
predicted the Rams or the Pats (first super bowl). What you look for is
potential and a trend. Hence the '03 Lakers and the '06 Spurs were bad bets
as their window had come and gone.

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#24: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-15 08:21:55 by mcnulla

John wrote:
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&gt;&gt; On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:12:09 GMT, &quot;*mavs*&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gomavs&#64;gomavz.com" target="_blank">gomavs&#64;gomavz.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;Marcus Kwan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mnospamkwan1&#64;gte.net" target="_blank">mnospamkwan1&#64;gte.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:35:39 GMT, &quot;*mavs*&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gomavs&#64;gomavz.com" target="_blank">gomavs&#64;gomavz.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Teams are going to need to be more versatile against Phoenix...
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; why?
&gt;&gt;&gt; Because Stoudamire is coming back and they are in no way built as a
&gt;&gt;&gt; traditional team.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; And they have proven that they are the number one threat to win a
&gt;&gt; championship exactly when?
&gt;
&gt; Champions for the future are usually based on the past. No one would have
&gt; predicted the Rams or the Pats (first super bowl). What you look for is
&gt; potential and a trend. Hence the '03 Lakers and the '06 Spurs were bad bets
&gt; as their window had come and gone.

spurs were lucky to win 62 games, even luckier to win 63.

dave

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#25: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-15 08:43:00 by gomavs

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&gt; Champions for the future are usually based on the past. No one would have
&gt; predicted the Rams or the Pats (first super bowl). What you look for is
&gt; potential and a trend. Hence the '03 Lakers and the '06 Spurs were bad
&gt; bets
&gt; as their window had come and gone.


I have got to disagree that the 06 Spurs were bad bets... This team isnt too
old. Even if some of their game is figured out they are still completely
dominant. The only thing I saw is that the Spurs didnt have that want it
look and you can bet your ass they are going to fix that. The Spurs are
still a very real threat.

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#26: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-15 14:59:50 by John

&quot;*mavs*&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gomavs&#64;gomavz.com" target="_blank">gomavs&#64;gomavz.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I have got to disagree that the 06 Spurs were bad bets... This team isnt
too
&gt; old. Even if some of their game is figured out they are still completely
&gt; dominant. The only thing I saw is that the Spurs didnt have that want it
&gt; look and you can bet your ass they are going to fix that. The Spurs are
&gt; still a very real threat.


Stick a fork in the Spurs. Duncan has that solid but not spectacular cause
he is old look, Ginobli can be spectacular but inconsistent as is Parker.
Horry is too old and they don't have as much depth. The Spurs look like the
'91 Pistons who had been there, but were on their way down.

&gt;
&gt;

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#27: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-17 15:33:05 by Marcus Kwan

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:10:40 -0600, &quot;John&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:John&#64;earthlink.com" target="_blank">John&#64;earthlink.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;
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&gt;&gt; On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:12:09 GMT, &quot;*mavs*&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gomavs&#64;gomavz.com" target="_blank">gomavs&#64;gomavz.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&quot;Marcus Kwan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mnospamkwan1&#64;gte.net" target="_blank">mnospamkwan1&#64;gte.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:35:39 GMT, &quot;*mavs*&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gomavs&#64;gomavz.com" target="_blank">gomavs&#64;gomavz.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;Teams are going to need to be more versatile against Phoenix...
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; why?
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;Because Stoudamire is coming back and they are in no way built as a
&gt;&gt; &gt;traditional team.
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; And they have proven that they are the number one threat to win a
&gt;&gt; championship exactly when?
&gt;
&gt;Champions for the future are usually based on the past. No one would have
&gt;predicted the Rams or the Pats (first super bowl). What you look for is
&gt;potential and a trend. Hence the '03 Lakers and the '06 Spurs were bad bets
&gt;as their window had come and gone.
&gt;

OK. So what exactly in the Suns past playoff performances would you
say suggests that they are the team to beat? To be fair, they could
have a breakthrough like the Mavs almost had this year, but nothing
suggests it. They aren't changing their style, or getting more
defensive oriented. Past history suggests that it is very, very
difficult for a team that only plays offense to win in the playoffs.

I don't know where you are coming from with regards to the '06 Spurs.
They were probably the second or third best team in the league (I do
think the Mavs were better, but i do think the Spurs would have beat
the Heat-stilll the champs are, by definition, the number one team in
the league). The distance between them and the championship was not
that great. Their players are still in their prime, so I am not sure
how you conclude their window is closed.

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#28: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-17 15:41:21 by Marcus Kwan

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:59:50 -0600, &quot;John&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:John&#64;earthlink.com" target="_blank">John&#64;earthlink.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;
&gt;&quot;*mavs*&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gomavs&#64;gomavz.com" target="_blank">gomavs&#64;gomavz.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I have got to disagree that the 06 Spurs were bad bets... This team isnt
&gt;too
&gt;&gt; old. Even if some of their game is figured out they are still completely
&gt;&gt; dominant. The only thing I saw is that the Spurs didnt have that want it
&gt;&gt; look and you can bet your ass they are going to fix that. The Spurs are
&gt;&gt; still a very real threat.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Stick a fork in the Spurs. Duncan has that solid but not spectacular cause
&gt;he is old look, Ginobli can be spectacular but inconsistent as is Parker.
&gt;Horry is too old and they don't have as much depth. The Spurs look like the
&gt;'91 Pistons who had been there, but were on their way down.
&gt;

Duncan and Manu are right around 30. Not old by any means, though
they will not recover from injury as fast as they once did. Parker is
inconsistent. he is also 22 and has shown vast improvement every
season. The league is wide open right now, with the Heat vulnerable
(Shaq is 34 and is wearing down), the Mavs did not improve, the
Pistons got worse, the Suns still can't stop anyone in the playoffs.

Bottom line, there are no prohiobitive favorites for next year, and
there are a handful of team, Spurs included, with very good chances.
If you think the Spurs are done, you tell me who you think they can't
beat?

&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;

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#29: Re: I dont feel Mavs have done enough

Posted on 2006-07-17 19:26:54 by Gary Collard

*mavs* wrote:
&gt;
&gt; The facts remain.. if you dont have a good center then you dont have a
&gt; championship..

Since the Bulls ended, that has been true. But with centers legislated out
of the game basically how much longer can that continue? Probably until
Bron-Bron gets a little more help.

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