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| [R/T] Campeonato Brasileiro, Round 42 [message #725251] |
Mon, 05 December 2005 06:17 |
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Round 42, last of the Brasilian football season
S=E3o Paulo 3-1 Atl=E9tico-PR
Vasco 3-1 Paran=E1
Paysandu 1-4 Flamengo
Goi=E1s 3-2 Corinthians
Juventude 1-3 Atl=E9tico-MG
Cruzeiro 1-3 S=E3o Caetano
Ponte Preta 3-1 Brasiliense
Palmeiras 3-2 Fluminense
Figueirense 3-1 Santos
Botafogo 2-0 Fortaleza
Coritiba 1-0 Internacional
Pos Team P G W D L GS GC GD
1 Corinthians 81 42 24 9 9 87 59 28+
2 Internacional 78 42 23 9 10 72 49 23+
3 Goi=E1s 74 42 22 8 12 68 51 17+
4 Palmeiras 70 42 20 10 12 81 65 16+
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5 Fluminense 68 42 19 11 12 79 70 9+
6 Atl=E9tico-PR 61 42 18 7 17 76 67 9+
7 Paran=E1 61 42 17 10 15 59 51 8+
8 Cruzeiro 60 42 17 9 16 73 72 1+
9 Botafogo 59 42 17 8 17 57 56 1+
10 Santos 59 42 16 11 15 68 71 3-
11 S=E3o Paulo 58 42 16 10 16 77 67 10+
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12 Vasco 56 42 15 11 16 74 84 10-
13 Fortaleza 55 42 16 7 19 58 64 6-
14 Juventude 55 42 15 10 17 66 72 6-
15 Flamengo 55 42 14 13 15 56 60 4-
16 Figueirense 53 42 14 11 17 65 72 7-
17 S=E3o Caetano 52 42 14 10 18 54 60 6-
18 Ponte Preta 51 42 15 6 21 63 80 17-
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19 Coritiba 49 42 13 10 19 51 60 9-
20 Atl=E9tico-MG 47 42 13 8 21 54 59 5-
21 Paysandu 41 42 12 5 25 63 92 29-
22 Brasiliense 41 42 10 11 21 47 67 20-
Internacional is still contesting the anullment of 11 games refereed by
Edilson Pereira de Carvalho, as Corinthians won 4 points out of their
replays and would finish 1 point behind Inter if the anullment were to
be reversed. This is not likely to happen, though, and Corinthians for
the moment are the Brasilian champions of 2005, although Inter fans
have
also celebrated the title in Porto Alegre.
By scoring twice (from penalties) in Vasco's win over Paran=E1 Clube,
Romario, at age 39, became the Brasileir=E3o'05 top goalscorer with 22
goals.
If sports courts decisions do not mess up with anything, this is what
we
have from this season:
International qualification
Copa Libertadores: Corinthians, Internacional, Goi=E1s, Palmeiras,
Paulista (from the Copa do Brasil) and S=E3o Paulo (defending champions)
Copa Sudamericana: Corinthians, Fluminense, Atl=E9tico-PR, Paran=E1,
Cruzeiro,
Santos, Botafogo and S=E3o Paulo
Divisional Movements:
A -> B : Coritiba, Atl=E9tico-MG, Paysandu and Brasiliense
B -> A : Gr=EAmio and Santa Cruz
B -> C : Vit=F3ria, Bahia, Anapolina, Uni=E3o Barbarense, Crici=FAma and
Caxias
C -> B : Remo and Am=E9rica-RN
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Ll=E9o
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| Re: [R/T] Campeonato Brasileiro, Round 42 [message #730950 ] |
Mon, 05 December 2005 13:57 |
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Lleo wrote:
> Internacional is still contesting the anullment of 11 games refereed by
> Edilson Pereira de Carvalho, as Corinthians won 4 points out of their
> replays and would finish 1 point behind Inter if the anullment were to
> be reversed. This is not likely to happen, though, and Corinthians for
> the moment are the Brasilian champions of 2005, although Inter fans
> have
> also celebrated the title in Porto Alegre.
Here is the non-Zveiter table:
Pts Pld W D L GF-GA
1 Internacional 78 42 23 9 10 72-49 LIBERT+SUDAM
2 Corinthians 77 42 23 8 11 87-63 LIBERTADORES
3 Goi=E1s 74 42 22 8 12 68-51 LIBERT QUAL
4 Palmeiras 70 42 20 10 12 81-65 LIBERT QUAL
5 Fluminense 67 42 19 10 13 77-68 SUDAMERICANA
6 Cruzeiro 65 42 19 8 15 76-68 SUDAMERICANA
7 Santos 62 42 17 11 14 70-70 SUDAMERICANA
8 Atl=E9tico-PR 61 42 18 7 17 76-67 SUDAMERICANA
9 Botafogo 61 42 18 7 17 57-57 SUDAMERICANA
10 Paran=E1 61 42 17 10 15 59-51 SUDAMERICANA
11 S=E3o Paulo 60 42 17 9 16 79-67 LIBERT+SUDAM
12 Juventude 57 42 16 9 17 64-70
13 Fortaleza 55 42 16 7 19 58-64
14 Vasco da Gama 55 42 15 10 17 72-83
15 Flamengo 55 42 14 13 15 56-60
16 Figueirense 54 42 15 9 18 65-70
17 S=E3o Caetano 52 42 14 10 18 54-60
18 Ponte Preta 51 42 15 6 21 62-80
19 Coritiba 49 42 13 10 19 51-60 RELEGATED
20 Atl=E9tico-MG 47 42 13 8 21 54-59 RELEGATED
21 Brasiliense 40 42 10 10 22 46-69 RELEGATED
22 Paysandu 38 42 11 5 26 60-93 RELEGATED
As you can see, the only relevant change is...
the champion!
> By scoring twice (from penalties) in Vasco's win over Paran=E1 Clube,
> Romario, at age 39, became the Brasileir=E3o'05 top goalscorer with 22
> goals.
Congratulations to the Little One.
> Divisional Movements:
> A -> B : Coritiba, Atl=E9tico-MG, Paysandu and Brasiliense
The sad part is Ponte Preta, S=E3o Caetano and Figueirense
stay up while teams with big followings like Coritiba, Atl=E9tico
and Paysandu go down. At least Brasiliense left the top
flight. For good, I hope.
> B -> A : Gr=EAmio and Santa Cruz
Welcome back.
> B -> C : Vit=F3ria, Bahia, Anapolina, Uni=E3o Barbarense, Crici=FAma and
> Caxias
The drop of Vit=F3ria and Bahia was even worse.
> C -> B : Remo and Am=E9rica-RN
This was good. Paysandu and Remo meet each other at
S=E9rie B. Big and peaceful crowds at the Mangueir=E3o.
Tchau!
Jesus Petry
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| Re: [R/T] Campeonato Brasileiro, Round 42 [message #731028 ] |
Tue, 06 December 2005 01:07 |
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Lleo wrote:
[snip]
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> International qualification
>
[snip]
>
> Copa Sudamericana: Corinthians, Fluminense, Atl=E9tico-PR, Paran=E1,
> Cruzeiro, Santos, Botafogo and S=E3o Paulo
As you probably know, the Brasileir=E3o rules state that no team, except
for the champions Corinthians, is allowed to play both Libertadores and
Sudamericana, and this probably should give the last Sudamericana berth
to Vasco da Gama (which is the team right below S=E3o Paulo on the
table).
Granted, CBF may still rule otherwise, but this would be clearly
against the rules' intent - to have more teams qualified to the
international competitions.
> --
> Ll=E9o
Best regards,
Luiz Mello
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| Re: [R/T] Campeonato Brasileiro, Round 42 [message #731055 ] |
Tue, 06 December 2005 04:47 |
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Cl=E9ment wrote:
> Lleo wrote:
> [snip]
> >
> > International qualification
> >
> [snip]
> >
> > Copa Sudamericana: Corinthians, Fluminense, Atl=E9tico-PR, Paran=E1,
> > Cruzeiro, Santos, Botafogo and S=E3o Paulo
>
> As you probably know, the Brasileir=E3o rules state that no team, except
> for the champions Corinthians, is allowed to play both Libertadores and
> Sudamericana, and this probably should give the last Sudamericana berth
> to Vasco da Gama (which is the team right below S=E3o Paulo on the
> table).
Well, yes, and that's what Vasco's board is hanging to. It seems that
Conmebol has indicated that they'll invite S=E3o Paulo, but that is yet
to be decided. There is a precedent though, as S=E3o Paulo has already
played this season in both the Libertadores and the Sudamericana,
without having been Brasilian champion of 2004. I guess that it was due
to their high Conmebol ranking, which of course has only been helped by
their Libertadores win this season.
> Granted, CBF may still rule otherwise, but this would be clearly
> against the rules' intent - to have more teams qualified to the
> international competitions.
Indeed, and moreover, it sets a kind of double standard regarding
continental qualification - had S=E3o Paulo finished in the top 4, the
5th placed team would qualify to the Libertadores, as SP already has
the holders spot. If we consider the ruling that only Corinthians
should be allowed to play in both tournaments, the same principle
should hold true for the Sudamericana zone - or else, SP would be in a
situation where it is better to finish 11th and play two tournaments
than finish 4th and play only one...
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Ll=E9o
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| Re: [R/T] Campeonato Brasileiro, Round 42 [message #731067 ] |
Tue, 06 December 2005 05:45 |
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Jesus Petry wrote:
> Lleo wrote:
> > Internacional is still contesting the anullment of 11 games refereed by
> > Edilson Pereira de Carvalho, as Corinthians won 4 points out of their
> > replays and would finish 1 point behind Inter if the anullment were to
> > be reversed. This is not likely to happen, though, and Corinthians for
> > the moment are the Brasilian champions of 2005, although Inter fans
> > have
> > also celebrated the title in Porto Alegre.
>
> Here is the non-Zveiter table:
>
> Pts Pld W D L GF-GA
> 1 Internacional 78 42 23 9 10 72-49 LIBERT+SUDAM
> 2 Corinthians 77 42 23 8 11 87-63 LIBERTADORES
> 3 Goi=E1s 74 42 22 8 12 68-51 LIBERT QUAL
> 4 Palmeiras 70 42 20 10 12 81-65 LIBERT QUAL
> 5 Fluminense 67 42 19 10 13 77-68 SUDAMERICANA
> 6 Cruzeiro 65 42 19 8 15 76-68 SUDAMERICANA
> 7 Santos 62 42 17 11 14 70-70 SUDAMERICANA
> 8 Atl=E9tico-PR 61 42 18 7 17 76-67 SUDAMERICANA
> 9 Botafogo 61 42 18 7 17 57-57 SUDAMERICANA
> 10 Paran=E1 61 42 17 10 15 59-51 SUDAMERICANA
> 11 S=E3o Paulo 60 42 17 9 16 79-67 LIBERT+SUDAM
> 12 Juventude 57 42 16 9 17 64-70
> 13 Fortaleza 55 42 16 7 19 58-64
> 14 Vasco da Gama 55 42 15 10 17 72-83
> 15 Flamengo 55 42 14 13 15 56-60
> 16 Figueirense 54 42 15 9 18 65-70
> 17 S=E3o Caetano 52 42 14 10 18 54-60
> 18 Ponte Preta 51 42 15 6 21 62-80
> 19 Coritiba 49 42 13 10 19 51-60 RELEGATED
> 20 Atl=E9tico-MG 47 42 13 8 21 54-59 RELEGATED
> 21 Brasiliense 40 42 10 10 22 46-69 RELEGATED
> 22 Paysandu 38 42 11 5 26 60-93 RELEGATED
>
> As you can see, the only relevant change is...
> the champion!
Do you think that Inter will manage to revert the STJD position?
> > By scoring twice (from penalties) in Vasco's win over Paran=E1 Clube,
> > Romario, at age 39, became the Brasileir=E3o'05 top goalscorer with 22
> > goals.
>
> Congratulations to the Little One.
After all I have written about him this season, it seems like I need to
buy a hat and eat it. But I still think that some of his attitudes were
unnecessary, and that Alex Dias was the club's most important player
this season.
> > Divisional Movements:
> > A -> B : Coritiba, Atl=E9tico-MG, Paysandu and Brasiliense
>
> The sad part is Ponte Preta, S=E3o Caetano and Figueirense
21st, 22nd and 18th average attendances.
> stay up while teams with big followings like Coritiba, Atl=E9tico
> and Paysandu go down.
4th (!!!), 3rd and 13th average attendances. Although it's sad to see
big clubs struggle, it is also a refreshing reminder that the days when
first division membership was also a function of popularity seem to be
gone for good...
> > C -> B : Remo and Am=E9rica-RN
>
> This was good. Paysandu and Remo meet each other at
> S=E9rie B. Big and peaceful crowds at the Mangueir=E3o.
Big crowds indeed. According to the CBF website
(http://cbfnews.uol.com.br/), Remo in Serie C had the highest average
attendance of the three divisions, with 29,666 per game. Corinthians,
in Serie A, had 27,319.
America-RN had the second best attendance in Serie C. Northern and
Northeastern clubs tend to draw very well. In Serie B, 7 of the top 10
avg att was from clubs from those regions. Meanwhile, Brasil's most
economically powerful state, SP, does not do any well in comparison.
Apart from the Iron Trio plus Santos, paulista clubs tend to have the
worst average attendances of the three divisions (Guarani in Serie B
being the only exception), and none in Serie C averaged more than 1,000
per game. Rather weird, considering that they tend to get some good
results on the pitch. I wonder why things are like this, where are the
paulista fans going?
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Ll=E9o
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| Re: Campeonato Brasileiro, Round 42 [message #731129 ] |
Tue, 06 December 2005 16:19 |
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Lleo wrote:
> Do you think that Inter will manage to revert the STJD position?
Only if FIFA intervenes (www.sosfifa.org).
> > > By scoring twice (from penalties) in Vasco's win over Paran=E1 Clube,
> > > Romario, at age 39, became the Brasileir=E3o'05 top goalscorer with 22
> > > goals.
> >
> > Congratulations to the Little One.
>
> After all I have written about him this season, it seems like I need to
> buy a hat and eat it. But I still think that some of his attitudes were
> unnecessary, and that Alex Dias was the club's most important player
> this season.
No doubt. Rom=E1rio should now go to Am=E9rica-RJ and finish his
career with a positive note.
> > > Divisional Movements:
> > > A -> B : Coritiba, Atl=E9tico-MG, Paysandu and Brasiliense
> >
> > The sad part is Ponte Preta, S=E3o Caetano and Figueirense
>
> 21st, 22nd and 18th average attendances.
>
> > stay up while teams with big followings like Coritiba, Atl=E9tico
> > and Paysandu go down.
>
> 4th (!!!), 3rd and 13th average attendances. Although it's sad to see
> big clubs struggle, it is also a refreshing reminder that the days when
> first division membership was also a function of popularity seem to be
> gone for good...
Yes, that's the good part.
> America-RN had the second best attendance in Serie C. Northern and
> Northeastern clubs tend to draw very well. In Serie B, 7 of the top 10
> avg att was from clubs from those regions. Meanwhile, Brasil's most
> economically powerful state, SP, does not do any well in comparison.
> Apart from the Iron Trio plus Santos, paulista clubs tend to have the
> worst average attendances of the three divisions (Guarani in Serie B
> being the only exception), and none in Serie C averaged more than 1,000
> per game. Rather weird, considering that they tend to get some good
> results on the pitch. I wonder why things are like this, where are the
> paulista fans going?
To the rodeo?
Tchau!
Jesus Petry
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