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Tue, 11 July 2006 06:50 |
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Loki wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:43:31 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
> <C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Loki wrote:
>>> On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:19:44 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
>>> <C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "You know one things that's wrong with this country? Everybody
>>>> gets a chance to have their fair say." - President Clinton 28 May
>>>> 1993
>>>>
>>>> "There is nothing patriotic about hating your country, or
>>>> pretending that you can love your country but despise your
>>>> government." - President Clinton 5 May 1995
>>>
>>> You know Charles, I do not know if you have missed a couple of
>>> newspapers or news broadcasts, but Clinton has not been President
>>> for almost 6 years.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yea. AIN'T IT GREAT?!!!!!
>
> Hell no!!! I wish that Bush would get a blow job and get us out of his
> phony war in Iraq and bring back Clinton's economy.
>
You must have been um...wait a second...who? The economy we have right this
second is sensational. The "phony war" in Iraq is um...not phony unless you
are an insane Democrat hellbent on..well...not really sure what in Hell
drives Dems except oppositionalism for the sake of oppositionalism.
Hmmm....incomes are actually up despite what left wing media pretends.
Disposable income is way up. More people are working today then at anytime
in history..we have record home ownership...record business startups without
that nasty problem of thousands of business failing everday as happened
during the entire 2nd Clinton term. Now if we could get the Republicans to
stop spending like...Democrats things would be just about perfect.
>
> Loki
>
> To support our men and women overseas
> who may not be getting packages from home,
> you can get some ideas as to how to do so at:
> http://www.anysoldier.com/index.cfm
>
> It is a non profit, volunteer run organization.
>
> I encourage everyone to check it out,
> respond from the heart, and pass it
> along to anyone you think may want
> to remember our overseas military personnel,
> throughout the year.
--
v/r Dread Pirate Rackham
"You know one things that's wrong with this country? Everybody gets a
chance to have their fair say." - President Clinton 28 May 1993
"There is nothing patriotic about hating your country, or pretending
that you can love your country but despise your government." -
President Clinton 5 May 1995
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| Re: a boxing tournament online [message #1086758 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 14:49 |
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On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:50:20 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
<C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>Loki wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:43:31 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
>> <C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Loki wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:19:44 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
>>>> <C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "You know one things that's wrong with this country? Everybody
>>>>> gets a chance to have their fair say." - President Clinton 28 May
>>>>> 1993
>>>>>
>>>>> "There is nothing patriotic about hating your country, or
>>>>> pretending that you can love your country but despise your
>>>>> government." - President Clinton 5 May 1995
>>>>
>>>> You know Charles, I do not know if you have missed a couple of
>>>> newspapers or news broadcasts, but Clinton has not been President
>>>> for almost 6 years.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yea. AIN'T IT GREAT?!!!!!
>>
>> Hell no!!! I wish that Bush would get a blow job and get us out of his
>> phony war in Iraq and bring back Clinton's economy.
>>
>
>You must have been um...wait a second...who? The economy we have right this
>second is sensational. The "phony war" in Iraq is um...not phony unless you
>are an insane Democrat hellbent on..well...not really sure what in Hell
>drives Dems except oppositionalism for the sake of oppositionalism.
>Hmmm....incomes are actually up despite what left wing media pretends.
>Disposable income is way up. More people are working today then at anytime
>in history..we have record home ownership...record business startups without
>that nasty problem of thousands of business failing everday as happened
>during the entire 2nd Clinton term. Now if we could get the Republicans to
>stop spending like...Democrats things would be just about perfect.
Under Clinton the economy got better quarter after quarter. Look at
where it was at any point in his administration and then look at where
it was 6 years later. The same cannot be said for Bush who inherited
the largest surplus in history and made it into the largest deficit in
history.
And if you think that the reasons for going to Iraq were legitimate,
please answer just three questions.
#1. Where was the link between Iraq and 9/11?
#2. Where are the WMDs?
#3. Where is Bin Laden?
Bush is a disaster, but then there is no reason to believe that he
never got a blow job in his life. I sincerely hope that you do not
like him for your ability to relate...
Of course, if you have gotten a blow job, Bush was probably watching
it. After all, it is Bush who decided that the Constitutional rights
of Americans to not be spied on by their government was only a
suggestion made by the Founding Fathers...
**
"I think — tide turning — see, as I remember — I was raised in the
desert, but tides kind of — it's easy to see a tide turn — did I say
those words?" —George W. Bush, asked if the tide was turning in Iraq,
Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006
President Bush: "Peter. Are you going to ask that question with shades
on?"
Peter Wallsten of the Los Angeles Times: "I can take them off."
Bush: "I'm interested in the shade look, seriously."
Wallsten: "All right, I'll keep it, then."
Bush: "For the viewers, there's no sun."
Wallsten: "I guess it depends on your perspective."
Bush: "Touché.
—An exchange with legally blind reporter Peter Wallsten, to whom Bush
later apologized, Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006 (Watch video clip)
"I tell people, let's don't fear the future, let's shape it." —George
W. Bush, Omaha, Neb., June 7, 2006
"Trying to stop suiciders — which we're doing a pretty good job of on
occasion — is difficult to do. And what the Iraqis are going to have
to eventually do is convince those who are conducting suiciders who
are not inspired by Al Qaeda, for example, to realize there's a
peaceful tomorrow." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 24, 2006
"I would say the best moment of all was when I caught a 7.5 pound
largemouth bass in my lake." —George W. Bush, on his best moment in
office, interview with the German newspaper Bild am Sonntag, May 7,
2006
"If people want to get to know me better, they've got to know my
parents and the values my parents instilled in me, and the fact that I
was raised in West Texas, in the middle of the desert, a long way away
from anywhere, hardly. There's a certain set of values you learn in
that experience." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 5, 2006
"You never know what your history is going to be like until long after
you're gone." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 5, 2006
"The point now is how do we work together to achieve important goals.
And one such goal is a democracy in Germany." —George W. Bush, D.C.,
May 5, 2006
"That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The
interesting thing about him is that I read three — three or four books
about him last year. Isn't that interesting?" —George W. Bush, while
showing German newspaper reporter Kai Diekmann the Oval Office,
Washington, D.C., May 5, 2006
"Finally, the desk, where we'll have our picture taken in front of --
is nine other Presidents used it. This was given to us by Queen
Victoria in the 1870s, I think it was. President Roosevelt put the
door in so people would not know he was in a wheelchair. John Kennedy
put his head out the door." —George W. Bush, showing German newspaper
reporter Kai Diekmann the Oval Office, Washington, D.C., May 5, 2006
"That's called, A Charge To Keep, based upon a religious hymn. The
hymn talks about serving God. The president's job is never to promote
a religion." —George W. Bush, showing German newspaper reporter Kai
Diekmann the Oval Office, Washington, D.C., May 5, 2006
"I was not pleased that Hamas has refused to announce its desire to
destroy Israel." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 4, 2006
"I can look you in the eye and tell you I feel I've tried to solve the
problem diplomatically to the max, and would have committed troops
both in Afghanistan and Iraq knowing what I know today." —George W.
Bush, Irvine, Calif., April 24, 2006
"I aim to be a competitive nation." —George W. Bush, San Jose, Calif.,
April 21, 2006
"I'm the decider, and I decide what is best. And what's best is for
Don Rumsfeld to remain as the Secretary of Defense." —George W. Bush,
Washington, D.C. April 18, 2006 (Listen to audio clip; Watch video
clip)
"I strongly believe what we're doing is the right thing. If I didn't
believe it — I'm going to repeat what I said before — I'd pull the
troops out, nor if I believed we could win, I would pull the troops
out." —George W. Bush, Charlotte, N.C., April 6, 2006
"No question that the enemy has tried to spread sectarian violence.
They use violence as a tool to do that." —George W. Bush, Washington,
D.C., March 22, 2006
"If the Iranians were to have a nuclear weapon they could
proliferate." —George W. Bush, Washington D.C., March 21, 2006
"After the bombing, most Iraqis saw what the perpetuators of this
attack were trying to do." —George W. Bush, on the bombing of the
Golden Mosque of Samarra in Iraq, March 13, 2006, Washington, D.C.
"And so I'm for medical liability at the federal level." —George W.
Bush, on medical liability reform, Washington, D.C., March 10, 2006
"I believe that a prosperous, democratic Pakistan will be a steadfast
partner for America, a peaceful neighbor for India, and a force for
freedom and moderation in the Arab world." —George W. Bush, mistakenly
identifying Pakistan as an Arab country, Islamabad, Pakistan, March 3,
2006
"People don't need to worry about security. This deal wouldn't go
forward if we were concerned about the security for the United States
of America." —George W. Bush, on the deal to hand over U.S. port
security to a company operated by the United Arab Emirates,
Washington, D.C., Feb. 23, 2006
"And I want those who are questioning it to step up and explain why
all of a sudden a Middle Eastern company is held to a different
standard than a Great British company." —George W. Bush, defending a
plan to allow a company controlled by the United Arab Emirates to
manage ports in the United States, aboard Air Force One, Feb. 21, 2006
"I think it's really important for this great state of baseball to
reach out to people of all walks of life to make sure that the sport
is inclusive. The best way to do it is to convince little kids how
to—the beauty of playing baseball." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,
Feb. 13, 2006
"I like my buddies from west Texas. I liked them when I was young, I
liked them then I was middle-age, I liked them before I was president,
and I like them during president, and I like them after president."
—George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Feb. 1, 2006
"He was a state sponsor of terror. In other words, the government had
declared, you are a state sponsor of terror." —George W. Bush, on
Saddam Hussein, Manhattan, Kan., Jan. 23, 2006
"I'll be glad to talk about ranching, but I haven't seen the movie.
I've heard about it. I hope you go — you know — I hope you go back to
the ranch and the farm is what I'm about to say." —George W. Bush,
after being asked whether he's seen Brokeback Mountain, Manhattan,
Kan., Jan. 23, 2006
"It's a heck of a place to bring your family." —George W. Bush, on New
Orleans, New Orleans, La., Jan. 12, 2006
"You took an oath to defend our flag and our freedom, and you kept
that oath underseas and under fire." —George W. Bush, addressing war
veterans, Washington, D.C., Jan. 10, 2006
"As you can possibly see, I have an injury myself — not here at the
hospital, but in combat with a cedar. I eventually won. The cedar gave
me a little scratch. As a matter of fact, the Colonel asked if I
needed first aid when she first saw me. I was able to avoid any major
surgical operations here, but thanks for your compassion, Colonel."
—George W. Bush, after visiting with wounded veterans from the Amputee
Care Center of Brooke Army Medical Center, San Antonio, Texas, Jan. 1,
2006
"[I]t's a myth to think I don't know what's going on. It's a myth to
think that I'm not aware that there's opinions that don't agree with
mine, because I'm fully aware of that." —George W. Bush, Philadelphia,
Pa., Dec. 12, 2005
"I mean, there was a serious international effort to say to Saddam
Hussein, you're a threat. And the 9/11 attacks extenuated that threat,
as far as I-concerned." —George W. Bush, Philadelphia, Dec. 12, 2005
"I think we are welcomed. But it was not a peaceful welcome." —George
W. Bush, defending Vice President Dick Cheney's pre-war assertion that
the United States would be welcomed in Iraq as liberators, NBC Nightly
News interview, Dec. 12, 2005
"Those who enter the country illegally violate the law." —George W.
Bush, Tucson, Ariz., Nov. 28, 2005
"As a matter of fact, I know relations between our governments is
good." —George W. Bush, on U.S.-South Korean relations, Washington
D.C., Nov. 8, 2005
"Wow! Brazil is big." —George W. Bush, after being shown a map of
Brazil by Brazilian president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, Brasilia,
Brazil, Nov. 6, 2005
"Bin Laden says his own role is to tell Muslims, quote, 'what is good
for them and what is not.'" —George W. Bush, Washington D.C., Oct. 6,
2005
"I think it's important to bring somebody from outside the system, the
judicial system, somebody that hasn't been on the bench and,
therefore, there's not a lot of opinions for people to look at."
—George W. Bush, on the nomination of Harriet Miers to the Supreme
Court, Washington, D.C., October 4, 2005
"We look forward to hearing your vision, so we can more better do our
job. That's what I'm telling you." —George W. Bush, Gulfport, Miss.,
Sept. 20, 2005
"If it were to rain a lot, there is concern from the Army Corps of
Engineers that the levees might break. And so, therefore, we're
cautious about encouraging people to return at this moment of
history." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 19, 2005
"Listen, I want to thank leaders of the — in the faith — faith-based
and community-based community for being here." —George W. Bush,
Washington, D.C., Sept. 6, 2005
"So please give cash money to organizations that are directly involved
in helping save lives — save the life who had been affected by
Hurricane Katrina." —George W. Bush, Washington D.C., Sept. 6, 2005
"I can't wait to join you in the joy of welcoming neighbors back into
neighborhoods, and small businesses up and running, and cutting those
ribbons that somebody is creating new jobs." —George W. Bush,
Poplarville, Miss., Sept. 5, 2005
"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job." —George W. Bush, to FEMA
director Michael Brown, who resigned 10 days later amid criticism over
his job performance, Mobile, Ala., Sept. 2, 2005 (Listen to audio;
read more stupid quotes about Hurricane Katrina)
"We've got a lot of rebuilding to do. First, we're going to save lives
and stabilize the situation. And then we're going to help these
communities rebuild. The good news is -- and it's hard for some to see
it now -- that out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic Gulf
Coast, like it was before. Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house --
he's lost his entire house -- there's going to be a fantastic house.
And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch." (Laughter) --George
W. Bush, touring hurricane damage, Mobile, Ala., Sept. 2, 2005
"My thoughts are, we're going to get somebody who knows what they're
talking about when it comes to rebuilding cities." —George W. Bush, on
rebuilding New Orleans, Biloxi, Miss., Sept. 2, 2005
"Americans should be prudent in their use of energy during the course
of the next few weeks. Don't buy gas if you don't need it." —George W.
Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 1, 2005
"It's totally wiped out. ... It's devastating, it's got to be doubly
devastating on the ground." —George W. Bush, turning to his aides
while surveying Hurricane Katrina flood damage from Air Force One ,
Aug. 31, 2005
"The best place for the facts to be done is by somebody who's spending
time investigating it." —George W. Bush, on the probe into how CIA
agent Valerie Plame's identity was leaked, Washington D.C., July 18,
2005
"I'm looking forward to a good night's sleep on the soil of a friend."
—George W. Bush, on visiting Denmark, Washington D.C., June 29, 2005
"I was going to say he's a piece of work, but that might not translate
too well. Is that all right, if I call you a 'piece of work'?" —George
W. Bush to Jean-Claude Juncker, prime minister of Luxembourg,
Washington, D.C., June 20, 2005
"The relations with, uhh — Europe are important relations, and
they've, uhh — because, we do share values. And, they're universal
values, they're not American values or, you know — European values,
they're universal values. And those values — uhh — being universal,
ought to be applied everywhere." —George W. Bush, at a press
conference with European Union dignitaries, Washington, D.C., June 20,
2005
"You see, not only did the attacks help accelerate a recession, the
attacks reminded us that we are at war." —George W. Bush, on the Sept.
11 attacks, Washington, D.C., June 8, 2005
"And the second way to defeat the terrorists is to spread freedom. You
see, the best way to defeat a society that is — doesn't have hope, a
society where people become so angry they're willing to become
suiciders, is to spread freedom, is to spread democracy." —George W.
Bush, Washington, D.C., June 8, 2005
"It seemed like to me they based some of their decisions on the word
of — and the allegations — by people who were held in detention,
people who hate America, people that had been trained in some
instances to disassemble — that means not tell the truth." —George W.
Bush, on an Amnesty International report on prisoner abuse at
Guantanamo Bay, Washington, D.C., May 31, 2005 (Listen to audio)
"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and
over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the
propaganda." —George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005 (Listen to
audio)
"We discussed the way forward in Iraq, discussed the importance of a
democracy in the greater Middle East in order to leave behind a
peaceful tomorrow." —George W. Bush, Tbilisi, Georgia, May 10, 2005
"I think younger workers — first of all, younger workers have been
promised benefits the government — promises that have been promised,
benefits that we can't keep. That's just the way it is." —George W.
Bush, Washington, D.C., May 4, 2005
"It means your own money would grow better than that which the
government can make it grow. And that's important." —George W. Bush,
on what private accounts could do for Social Security funds, Falls
Church, Va., April 29, 2005
"I can only speak to myself." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April
28, 2005
"It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us
and get them out of harm's way." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,
April 28, 2005
"We expect the states to show us whether or not we're achieving simple
objectives — like literacy, literacy in math, the ability to read and
write." —George W. Bush, on federal education requirements,
Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
"He understands the need for a timely write of the constitution."
—George W. Bush, on Prime Minister Iyad Allawi of Iraq, Washington,
D.C., April 28, 2005
"Well, we've made the decision to defeat the terrorists abroad so we
don't have to face them here at home. And when you engage the
terrorists abroad, it causes activity and action." —George W. Bush,
Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
"But Iraq has — have got people there that are willing to kill, and
they're hard-nosed killers. And we will work with the Iraqis to secure
their future." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
"I appreciate my love for Laura." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,
April 20, 2005
"We have enough coal to last for 250 years, yet coal also prevents an
environmental challenge." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 20,
2005
"Part of the facts is understanding we have a problem, and part of the
facts is what you're going to do about it." —George W. Bush,
Kirtland, Ohio, April 15, 2005
"I'm going to spend a lot of time on Social Security. I enjoy it. I
enjoy taking on the issue. I guess, it's the Mother in me." —George W.
Bush, Washington D.C., April 14, 2005
"We look forward to analyzing and working with legislation that will
make — it would hope — put a free press's mind at ease that you're not
being denied information you shouldn't see." —George W. Bush,
Washington, D.C., April 14, 2005
"I want to thank you for the importance that you've shown for
education and literacy." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 13,
2005
"I understand there's a suspicion that we—we're too
security-conscience." —George W. Bush, Washington D.C., April 14, 2005
"If they pre-decease or die early, there's an asset base to be able to
pass on to a loved one." —George W. Bush, on Social Security money
held in private accounts, Cedar Rapids, Iowa, March 30, 2005
[I'm] occasionally reading, I want you to know, in the second term."
—George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., March 16, 2005
"In this job you've got a lot on your plate on a regular basis; you
don't have much time to sit around and wander, lonely, in the Oval
Office, kind of asking different portraits, 'How do you think my
standing will be?'" —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., March 16, 2005
"In terms of timetables, as quickly as possible — whatever that
means." —George W. Bush, on his time frame for shoring up Social
Security, Washington D.C., March 16, 2005
"I like the idea of people running for office. There's a positive
effect when you run for office. Maybe some will run for office and
say, vote for me, I look forward to blowing up America. I don't know,
I don't know if that will be their platform or not. But it's -- I
don't think so. I think people who generally run for office say, vote
for me, I'm looking forward to fixing your potholes, or making sure
you got bread on the table." —George W. Bush, on elections in the
Middle East, Washington, D.C., March 16, 2005
"I repeat, personal accounts do not permanently fix the solution."
—George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., March 16, 2005
"This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is
simply ridiculous. And having said that, all options are on the
table." —George W. Bush, Brussels, Belgium, Feb. 22, 2005
"If you're a younger person, you ought to be asking members of
Congress and the United States Senate and the president what you
intend to do about it. If you see a train wreck coming, you ought to
be saying, what are you going to do about it, Mr. Congressman, or
Madam Congressman?" —George W. Bush, Detroit, Mich., Feb. 8, 2005
"Because the — all which is on the table begins to address the big
cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculate, for example, is
on the table; whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases
or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are
being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost
drivers, affecting those — changing those with personal accounts, the
idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be — or closer
delivered to what has been promised. Does that make any sense to you?
It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of things that cause the
— like, for example, benefits are calculated based upon the increase
of wages, as opposed to the increase of prices. Some have suggested
that we calculate — the benefits will rise based upon inflation, as
opposed to wage increases. There is a reform that would help solve the
red if that were put into effect. In other words, how fast benefits
grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if those — if that growth
is affected, it will help on the red." —George W. Bush, explaining his
plan to save Social Security, Tampa, Fla., Feb. 4, 2005
"You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is
fantastic that you're doing that." —George W. Bush, to a divorced
mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005 (Listen to audio)
"After all, Europe is America's closest ally." —George W. Bush, Mainz,
Germany, Feb. 23, 2005
"Because he's hiding." —George W. Bush, responding to a reporter who
asked why Osama bin Laden had not been caught, aboard Air Force One,
Jan. 14, 2005
"I'm also mindful that man should never try to put words in God's
mouth. I mean, we should never ascribe natural disasters or anything
else to God. We are in no way, shape, or form should a human being,
play God." —George W. Bush, ABC's 20/20, Washington D.C., Jan. 14,
2005
"I want to appreciate those of you who wear our nation's uniform for
your sacrifice." —George W. Bush, Jacksonville, Fla., Jan. 14, 2005
"I speak plainly sometimes, but you've got to be mindful of the
consequences of the words. So put that down. I don't know if you'd
call that a confession, a regret, something." —George W. Bush,
speaking to reporters, Washington, D.C., Jan. 14, 2005
"Who could have possibly envisioned an erection — an election in Iraq
at this point in history?" —George W. Bush, at the white House,
Washington, D.C., Jan. 10, 2005
"We need to apply 21st-century information technology to the health
care field. We need to have our medical records put on the I.T."
—George W. Bush, Collinsville, Ill., Jan. 5, 2005
"I believe we are called to do the hard work to make our communities
and quality of life a better place." —George W. Bush, Collinsville,
Ill., Jan. 5, 2005
Loki
To support our men and women overseas
who may not be getting packages from home,
you can get some ideas as to how to do so at:
http://www.anysoldier.com/index.cfm
It is a non profit, volunteer run organization.
I encourage everyone to check it out,
respond from the heart, and pass it
along to anyone you think may want
to remember our overseas military personnel,
throughout the year.
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| Re: a boxing tournament online [message #1086848 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 01:49 |
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Loki wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:50:20 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
> <C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Loki wrote:
>>> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:43:31 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
>>> <C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Loki wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:19:44 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
>>>>> <C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "You know one things that's wrong with this country? Everybody
>>>>>> gets a chance to have their fair say." - President Clinton 28 May
>>>>>> 1993
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "There is nothing patriotic about hating your country, or
>>>>>> pretending that you can love your country but despise your
>>>>>> government." - President Clinton 5 May 1995
>>>>>
>>>>> You know Charles, I do not know if you have missed a couple of
>>>>> newspapers or news broadcasts, but Clinton has not been President
>>>>> for almost 6 years.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yea. AIN'T IT GREAT?!!!!!
>>>
>>> Hell no!!! I wish that Bush would get a blow job and get us out of
>>> his phony war in Iraq and bring back Clinton's economy.
>>>
>>
>> You must have been um...wait a second...who? The economy we have
>> right this second is sensational. The "phony war" in Iraq is
>> um...not phony unless you are an insane Democrat hellbent
>> on..well...not really sure what in Hell drives Dems except
>> oppositionalism for the sake of oppositionalism. Hmmm....incomes are
>> actually up despite what left wing media pretends. Disposable income
>> is way up. More people are working today then at anytime in
>> history..we have record home ownership...record business startups
>> without that nasty problem of thousands of business failing everday
>> as happened during the entire 2nd Clinton term. Now if we could get
>> the Republicans to stop spending like...Democrats things would be
>> just about perfect.
>
> Under Clinton the economy got better quarter after quarter. Look at
> where it was at any point in his administration and then look at where
> it was 6 years later.
Wrong and pointless. The economy was sliding into recession in the 2nd half
of Clinton term #2. The years of strength in the Clinton year's came as a
direct result of the GOP Contract With America that basically undid much of
the damage that was underway his first two years in office.
The same cannot be said for Bush who inherited
> the largest surplus in history and made it into the largest deficit in
> history.
>
Bush inherited a stealth surplus that was largely nonsensical. Projected
surpluses based on economic assumptions that had no historical model to be
based on and didn't take into consideration the unknown factors (i.e. no one
knew there would be a major stunning international crisis that changed
everything in September of 2001 for example).
> And if you think that the reasons for going to Iraq were legitimate,
> please answer just three questions.
>
> #1. Where was the link between Iraq and 9/11?
>
Who ever said there had to be a link between Iraq and 9/11? I never made
the argument. I don't recall anyone on my side making that argument. I do
recall however in late 2002 and early 2003 seeing liberals firing up the NO
LINK strawman.
> #2. Where are the WMDs?
>
Well let me see...did you sleep through June of this year? I
mean....throughout the month there was quite a bit of reporting about the
fact that the coalition actually has in posession several hundred chemical
and biological warheads captured in Iraq over the past 3 years. Did you
just...not notice this? It was probably the single largest story of the
month worldwide behind that little soccer tournament in Germany.
> #3. Where is Bin Laden?
>
Someplace in southern Afghanistan. But what does that have to do with
whether or not we should have gone to war in Iraq? I mean besides the
obvious open support that the Baathists in Iraq gave to Al Quaida despite
years of your side stating that there was no connection between the two
(note: in February of 1999 Saddam publically invited Osama to accept asylum
in Iraq...your hero Clinton launched one missile barrage in the fall of 1998
into targets in among other places..Iraq to destroy Al Qaida training
facilities).
But if your argument against Iraq is that we have not found Osama...that
argument lacks a certain logic.
> Bush is a disaster, but then there is no reason to believe that he
> never got a blow job in his life. I sincerely hope that you do not
> like him for your ability to relate...
>
I see..so what you are making is a very logical argument. Well done.
> Of course, if you have gotten a blow job, Bush was probably watching
> it. After all, it is Bush who decided that the Constitutional rights
> of Americans to not be spied on by their government was only a
> suggestion made by the Founding Fathers...
>
Yet another strawman. And a bizarre one also lacking a certain thing called
fact.
> **
>
> "I think - tide turning - see, as I remember - I was raised in the
> desert, but tides kind of - it's easy to see a tide turn - did I say
> those words?" -George W. Bush, asked if the tide was turning in Iraq,
> Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006
>
> President Bush: "Peter. Are you going to ask that question with shades
> on?"
> Peter Wallsten of the Los Angeles Times: "I can take them off."
> Bush: "I'm interested in the shade look, seriously."
> Wallsten: "All right, I'll keep it, then."
> Bush: "For the viewers, there's no sun."
> Wallsten: "I guess it depends on your perspective."
> Bush: "Touché.
> -An exchange with legally blind reporter Peter Wallsten, to whom Bush
> later apologized, Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006 (Watch video clip)
>
> "I tell people, let's don't fear the future, let's shape it." -George
> W. Bush, Omaha, Neb., June 7, 2006
>
> "Trying to stop suiciders - which we're doing a pretty good job of on
> occasion - is difficult to do. And what the Iraqis are going to have
> to eventually do is convince those who are conducting suiciders who
> are not inspired by Al Qaeda, for example, to realize there's a
> peaceful tomorrow." -George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 24, 2006
>
> "I would say the best moment of all was when I caught a 7.5 pound
> largemouth bass in my lake." -George W. Bush, on his best moment in
> office, interview with the German newspaper Bild am Sonntag, May 7,
> 2006
>
> "If people want to get to know me better, they've got to know my
> parents and the values my parents instilled in me, and the fact that I
> was raised in West Texas, in the middle of the desert, a long way away
> from anywhere, hardly. There's a certain set of values you learn in
> that experience." -George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 5, 2006
>
> "You never know what your history is going to be like until long after
> you're gone." -George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 5, 2006
>
> "The point now is how do we work together to achieve important goals.
> And one such goal is a democracy in Germany." -George W. Bush, D.C.,
> May 5, 2006
>
> "That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The
> interesting thing about him is that I read three - three or four books
> about him last year. Isn't that interesting?" -George W. Bush, while
> showing German newspaper reporter Kai Diekmann the Oval Office,
> Washington, D.C., May 5, 2006
>
> "Finally, the desk, where we'll have our picture taken in front of --
> is nine other Presidents used it. This was given to us by Queen
> Victoria in the 1870s, I think it was. President Roosevelt put the
> door in so people would not know he was in a wheelchair. John Kennedy
> put his head out the door." -George W. Bush, showing German newspaper
> reporter Kai Diekmann the Oval Office, Washington, D.C., May 5, 2006
>
> "That's called, A Charge To Keep, based upon a religious hymn. The
> hymn talks about serving God. The president's job is never to promote
> a religion." -George W. Bush, showing German newspaper reporter Kai
> Diekmann the Oval Office, Washington, D.C., May 5, 2006
>
> "I was not pleased that Hamas has refused to announce its desire to
> destroy Israel." -George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 4, 2006
>
> "I can look you in the eye and tell you I feel I've tried to solve the
> problem diplomatically to the max, and would have committed troops
> both in Afghanistan and Iraq knowing what I know today." -George W.
> Bush, Irvine, Calif., April 24, 2006
>
> "I aim to be a competitive nation." -George W. Bush, San Jose, Calif.,
> April 21, 2006
>
> "I'm the decider, and I decide what is best. And what's best is for
> Don Rumsfeld to remain as the Secretary of Defense." -George W. Bush,
> Washington, D.C. April 18, 2006 (Listen to audio clip; Watch video
> clip)
>
> "I strongly believe what we're doing is the right thing. If I didn't
> believe it - I'm going to repeat what I said before - I'd pull the
> troops out, nor if I believed we could win, I would pull the troops
> out." -George W. Bush, Charlotte, N.C., April 6, 2006
>
> "No question that the enemy has tried to spread sectarian violence.
> They use violence as a tool to do that." -George W. Bush, Washington,
> D.C., March 22, 2006
>
> "If the Iranians were to have a nuclear weapon they could
> proliferate." -George W. Bush, Washington D.C., March 21, 2006
>
> "After the bombing, most Iraqis saw what the perpetuators of this
> attack were trying to do." -George W. Bush, on the bombing of the
> Golden Mosque of Samarra in Iraq, March 13, 2006, Washington, D.C.
>
> "And so I'm for medical liability at the federal level." -George W.
> Bush, on medical liability reform, Washington, D.C., March 10, 2006
>
> "I believe that a prosperous, democratic Pakistan will be a steadfast
> partner for America, a peaceful neighbor for India, and a force for
> freedom and moderation in the Arab world." -George W. Bush, mistakenly
> identifying Pakistan as an Arab country, Islamabad, Pakistan, March 3,
> 2006
>
> "People don't need to worry about security. This deal wouldn't go
> forward if we were concerned about the security for the United States
> of America." -George W. Bush, on the deal to hand over U.S. port
> security to a company operated by the United Arab Emirates,
> Washington, D.C., Feb. 23, 2006
>
> "And I want those who are questioning it to step up and explain why
> all of a sudden a Middle Eastern company is held to a different
> standard than a Great British company." -George W. Bush, defending a
> plan to allow a company controlled by the United Arab Emirates to
> manage ports in the United States, aboard Air Force One, Feb. 21, 2006
>
> "I think it's really important for this great state of baseball to
> reach out to people of all walks of life to make sure that the sport
> is inclusive. The best way to do it is to convince little kids how
> to-the beauty of playing baseball." -George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,
> Feb. 13, 2006
>
> "I like my buddies from west Texas. I liked them when I was young, I
> liked them then I was middle-age, I liked them before I was president,
> and I like them during president, and I like them after president."
> -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Feb. 1, 2006
>
> "He was a state sponsor of terror. In other words, the government had
> declared, you are a state sponsor of terror." -George W. Bush, on
> Saddam Hussein, Manhattan, Kan., Jan. 23, 2006
>
> "I'll be glad to talk about ranching, but I haven't seen the movie.
> I've heard about it. I hope you go - you know - I hope you go back to
> the ranch and the farm is what I'm about to say." -George W. Bush,
> after being asked whether he's seen Brokeback Mountain, Manhattan,
> Kan., Jan. 23, 2006
>
> "It's a heck of a place to bring your family." -George W. Bush, on New
> Orleans, New Orleans, La., Jan. 12, 2006
>
> "You took an oath to defend our flag and our freedom, and you kept
> that oath underseas and under fire." -George W. Bush, addressing war
> veterans, Washington, D.C., Jan. 10, 2006
>
> "As you can possibly see, I have an injury myself - not here at the
> hospital, but in combat with a cedar. I eventually won. The cedar gave
> me a little scratch. As a matter of fact, the Colonel asked if I
> needed first aid when she first saw me. I was able to avoid any major
> surgical operations here, but thanks for your compassion, Colonel."
> -George W. Bush, after visiting with wounded veterans from the Amputee
> Care Center of Brooke Army Medical Center, San Antonio, Texas, Jan. 1,
> 2006
>
> "[I]t's a myth to think I don't know what's going on. It's a myth to
> think that I'm not aware that there's opinions that don't agree with
> mine, because I'm fully aware of that." -George W. Bush, Philadelphia,
> Pa., Dec. 12, 2005
>
> "I mean, there was a serious international effort to say to Saddam
> Hussein, you're a threat. And the 9/11 attacks extenuated that threat,
> as far as I-concerned." -George W. Bush, Philadelphia, Dec. 12, 2005
>
> "I think we are welcomed. But it was not a peaceful welcome." -George
> W. Bush, defending Vice President Dick Cheney's pre-war assertion that
> the United States would be welcomed in Iraq as liberators, NBC Nightly
> News interview, Dec. 12, 2005
>
> "Those who enter the country illegally violate the law." -George W.
> Bush, Tucson, Ariz., Nov. 28, 2005
>
> "As a matter of fact, I know relations between our governments is
> good." -George W. Bush, on U.S.-South Korean relations, Washington
> D.C., Nov. 8, 2005
>
> "Wow! Brazil is big." -George W. Bush, after being shown a map of
> Brazil by Brazilian president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, Brasilia,
> Brazil, Nov. 6, 2005
>
> "Bin Laden says his own role is to tell Muslims, quote, 'what is good
> for them and what is not.'" -George W. Bush, Washington D.C., Oct. 6,
> 2005
>
> "I think it's important to bring somebody from outside the system, the
> judicial system, somebody that hasn't been on the bench and,
> therefore, there's not a lot of opinions for people to look at."
> -George W. Bush, on the nomination of Harriet Miers to the Supreme
> Court, Washington, D.C., October 4, 2005
>
> "We look forward to hearing your vision, so we can more better do our
> job. That's what I'm telling you." -George W. Bush, Gulfport, Miss.,
> Sept. 20, 2005
>
> "If it were to rain a lot, there is concern from the Army Corps of
> Engineers that the levees might break. And so, therefore, we're
> cautious about encouraging people to return at this moment of
> history." -George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 19, 2005
>
> "Listen, I want to thank leaders of the - in the faith - faith-based
> and community-based community for being here." -George W. Bush,
> Washington, D.C., Sept. 6, 2005
>
> "So please give cash money to organizations that are directly involved
> in helping save lives - save the life who had been affected by
> Hurricane Katrina." -George W. Bush, Washington D.C., Sept. 6, 2005
>
> "I can't wait to join you in the joy of welcoming neighbors back into
> neighborhoods, and small businesses up and running, and cutting those
> ribbons that somebody is creating new jobs." -George W. Bush,
> Poplarville, Miss., Sept. 5, 2005
>
> "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job." -George W. Bush, to FEMA
> director Michael Brown, who resigned 10 days later amid criticism over
> his job performance, Mobile, Ala., Sept. 2, 2005 (Listen to audio;
> read more stupid quotes about Hurricane Katrina)
>
> "We've got a lot of rebuilding to do. First, we're going to save lives
> and stabilize the situation. And then we're going to help these
> communities rebuild. The good news is -- and it's hard for some to see
> it now -- that out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic Gulf
> Coast, like it was before. Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house --
> he's lost his entire house -- there's going to be a fantastic house.
> And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch." (Laughter) --George
> W. Bush, touring hurricane damage, Mobile, Ala., Sept. 2, 2005
>
> "My thoughts are, we're going to get somebody who knows what they're
> talking about when it comes to rebuilding cities." -George W. Bush, on
> rebuilding New Orleans, Biloxi, Miss., Sept. 2, 2005
>
> "Americans should be prudent in their use of energy during the course
> of the next few weeks. Don't buy gas if you don't need it." -George W.
> Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 1, 2005
>
> "It's totally wiped out. ... It's devastating, it's got to be doubly
> devastating on the ground." -George W. Bush, turning to his aides
> while surveying Hurricane Katrina flood damage from Air Force One ,
> Aug. 31, 2005
>
> "The best place for the facts to be done is by somebody who's spending
> time investigating it." -George W. Bush, on the probe into how CIA
> agent Valerie Plame's identity was leaked, Washington D.C., July 18,
> 2005
>
> "I'm looking forward to a good night's sleep on the soil of a friend."
> -George W. Bush, on visiting Denmark, Washington D.C., June 29, 2005
>
> "I was going to say he's a piece of work, but that might not translate
> too well. Is that all right, if I call you a 'piece of work'?" -George
> W. Bush to Jean-Claude Juncker, prime minister of Luxembourg,
> Washington, D.C., June 20, 2005
> "The relations with, uhh - Europe are important relations, and
> they've, uhh - because, we do share values. And, they're universal
> values, they're not American values or, you know - European values,
> they're universal values. And those values - uhh - being universal,
> ought to be applied everywhere." -George W. Bush, at a press
> conference with European Union dignitaries, Washington, D.C., June 20,
> 2005
>
> "You see, not only did the attacks help accelerate a recession, the
> attacks reminded us that we are at war." -George W. Bush, on the Sept.
> 11 attacks, Washington, D.C., June 8, 2005
>
> "And the second way to defeat the terrorists is to spread freedom. You
> see, the best way to defeat a society that is - doesn't have hope, a
> society where people become so angry they're willing to become
> suiciders, is to spread freedom, is to spread democracy." -George W.
> Bush, Washington, D.C., June 8, 2005
> "It seemed like to me they based some of their decisions on the word
> of - and the allegations - by people who were held in detention,
> people who hate America, people that had been trained in some
> instances to disassemble - that means not tell the truth." -George W.
> Bush, on an Amnesty International report on prisoner abuse at
> Guantanamo Bay, Washington, D.C., May 31, 2005 (Listen to audio)
>
> "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and
> over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the
> propaganda." -George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005 (Listen to
> audio)
>
> "We discussed the way forward in Iraq, discussed the importance of a
> democracy in the greater Middle East in order to leave behind a
> peaceful tomorrow." -George W. Bush, Tbilisi, Georgia, May 10, 2005
>
> "I think younger workers - first of all, younger workers have been
> promised benefits the government - promises that have been promised,
> benefits that we can't keep. That's just the way it is." -George W.
> Bush, Washington, D.C., May 4, 2005
>
> "It means your own money would grow better than that which the
> government can make it grow. And that's important." -George W. Bush,
> on what private accounts could do for Social Security funds, Falls
> Church, Va., April 29, 2005
>
>
> "I can only speak to myself." -George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April
> 28, 2005
>
> "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us
> and get them out of harm's way." -George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,
> April 28, 2005
>
> "We expect the states to show us whether or not we're achieving simple
> objectives - like literacy, literacy in math, the ability to read and
> write." -George W. Bush, on federal education requirements,
> Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
>
> "He understands the need for a timely write of the constitution."
> -George W. Bush, on Prime Minister Iyad Allawi of Iraq, Washington,
> D.C., April 28, 2005
>
> "Well, we've made the decision to defeat the terrorists abroad so we
> don't have to face them here at home. And when you engage the
> terrorists abroad, it causes activity and action." -George W. Bush,
> Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
>
> "But Iraq has - have got people there that are willing to kill, and
> they're hard-nosed killers. And we will work with the Iraqis to secure
> their future." -George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
>
> "I appreciate my love for Laura." -George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,
> April 20, 2005
>
> "We have enough coal to last for 250 years, yet coal also prevents an
> environmental challenge." -George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 20,
> 2005
>
> "Part of the facts is understanding we have a problem, and part of the
> facts is what you're going to do about it." -George W. Bush,
> Kirtland, Ohio, April 15, 2005
>
> "I'm going to spend a lot of time on Social Security. I enjoy it. I
> enjoy taking on the issue. I guess, it's the Mother in me." -George W.
> Bush, Washington D.C., April 14, 2005
>
> "We look forward to analyzing and working with legislation that will
> make - it would hope - put a free press's mind at ease that you're not
> being denied information you shouldn't see." -George W. Bush,
> Washington, D.C., April 14, 2005
>
> "I want to thank you for the importance that you've shown for
> education and literacy." -George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 13,
> 2005
>
> "I understand there's a suspicion that we-we're too
> security-conscience." -George W. Bush, Washington D.C., April 14, 2005
>
> "If they pre-decease or die early, there's an asset base to be able to
> pass on to a loved one." -George W. Bush, on Social Security money
> held in private accounts, Cedar Rapids, Iowa, March 30, 2005
>
> [I'm] occasionally reading, I want you to know, in the second term."
> -George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., March 16, 2005
>
> "In this job you've got a lot on your plate on a regular basis; you
> don't have much time to sit around and wander, lonely, in the Oval
> Office, kind of asking different portraits, 'How do you think my
> standing will be?'" -George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., March 16, 2005
>
> "In terms of timetables, as quickly as possible - whatever that
> means." -George W. Bush, on his time frame for shoring up Social
> Security, Washington D.C., March 16, 2005
>
> "I like the idea of people running for office. There's a positive
> effect when you run for office. Maybe some will run for office and
> say, vote for me, I look forward to blowing up America. I don't know,
> I don't know if that will be their platform or not. But it's -- I
> don't think so. I think people who generally run for office say, vote
> for me, I'm looking forward to fixing your potholes, or making sure
> you got bread on the table." -George W. Bush, on elections in the
> Middle East, Washington, D.C., March 16, 2005
>
> "I repeat, personal accounts do not permanently fix the solution."
> -George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., March 16, 2005
>
> "This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is
> simply ridiculous. And having said that, all options are on the
> table." -George W. Bush, Brussels, Belgium, Feb. 22, 2005
>
> "If you're a younger person, you ought to be asking members of
> Congress and the United States Senate and the president what you
> intend to do about it. If you see a train wreck coming, you ought to
> be saying, what are you going to do about it, Mr. Congressman, or
> Madam Congressman?" -George W. Bush, Detroit, Mich., Feb. 8, 2005
>
> "Because the - all which is on the table begins to address the big
> cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculate, for example, is
> on the table; whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases
> or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are
> being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost
> drivers, affecting those - changing those with personal accounts, the
> idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be - or closer
> delivered to what has been promised. Does that make any sense to you?
> It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of things that cause the
> - like, for example, benefits are calculated based upon the increase
> of wages, as opposed to the increase of prices. Some have suggested
> that we calculate - the benefits will rise based upon inflation, as
> opposed to wage increases. There is a reform that would help solve the
> red if that were put into effect. In other words, how fast benefits
> grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if those - if that growth
> is affected, it will help on the red." -George W. Bush, explaining his
> plan to save Social Security, Tampa, Fla., Feb. 4, 2005
>
> "You work three jobs? . Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is
> fantastic that you're doing that." -George W. Bush, to a divorced
> mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005 (Listen to audio)
>
> "After all, Europe is America's closest ally." -George W. Bush, Mainz,
> Germany, Feb. 23, 2005
>
> "Because he's hiding." -George W. Bush, responding to a reporter who
> asked why Osama bin Laden had not been caught, aboard Air Force One,
> Jan. 14, 2005
>
> "I'm also mindful that man should never try to put words in God's
> mouth. I mean, we should never ascribe natural disasters or anything
> else to God. We are in no way, shape, or form should a human being,
> play God." -George W. Bush, ABC's 20/20, Washington D.C., Jan. 14,
> 2005
>
> "I want to appreciate those of you who wear our nation's uniform for
> your sacrifice." -George W. Bush, Jacksonville, Fla., Jan. 14, 2005
>
>
> "I speak plainly sometimes, but you've got to be mindful of the
> consequences of the words. So put that down. I don't know if you'd
> call that a confession, a regret, something." -George W. Bush,
> speaking to reporters, Washington, D.C., Jan. 14, 2005
>
> "Who could have possibly envisioned an erection - an election in Iraq
> at this point in history?" -George W. Bush, at the white House,
> Washington, D.C., Jan. 10, 2005
>
> "We need to apply 21st-century information technology to the health
> care field. We need to have our medical records put on the I.T."
> -George W. Bush, Collinsville, Ill., Jan. 5, 2005
>
> "I believe we are called to do the hard work to make our communities
> and quality of life a better place." -George W. Bush, Collinsville,
> Ill., Jan. 5, 2005
>
>
> Loki
>
> To support our men and women overseas
> who may not be getting packages from home,
> you can get some ideas as to how to do so at:
> http://www.anysoldier.com/index.cfm
>
> It is a non profit, volunteer run organization.
>
> I encourage everyone to check it out,
> respond from the heart, and pass it
> along to anyone you think may want
> to remember our overseas military personnel,
> throughout the year.
--
v/r Dread Pirate Rackham
"You know one things that's wrong with this country? Everybody gets a
chance to have their fair say." - President Clinton 28 May 1993
"There is nothing patriotic about hating your country, or pretending
that you can love your country but despise your government." -
President Clinton 5 May 1995
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:49:37 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
<C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>Loki wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:50:20 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
>> <C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Loki wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:43:31 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
>>>> <C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Loki wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:19:44 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
>>>>>> <C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "You know one things that's wrong with this country? Everybody
>>>>>>> gets a chance to have their fair say." - President Clinton 28 May
>>>>>>> 1993
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "There is nothing patriotic about hating your country, or
>>>>>>> pretending that you can love your country but despise your
>>>>>>> government." - President Clinton 5 May 1995
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You know Charles, I do not know if you have missed a couple of
>>>>>> newspapers or news broadcasts, but Clinton has not been President
>>>>>> for almost 6 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yea. AIN'T IT GREAT?!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Hell no!!! I wish that Bush would get a blow job and get us out of
>>>> his phony war in Iraq and bring back Clinton's economy.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You must have been um...wait a second...who? The economy we have
>>> right this second is sensational. The "phony war" in Iraq is
>>> um...not phony unless you are an insane Democrat hellbent
>>> on..well...not really sure what in Hell drives Dems except
>>> oppositionalism for the sake of oppositionalism. Hmmm....incomes are
>>> actually up despite what left wing media pretends. Disposable income
>>> is way up. More people are working today then at anytime in
>>> history..we have record home ownership...record business startups
>>> without that nasty problem of thousands of business failing everday
>>> as happened during the entire 2nd Clinton term. Now if we could get
>>> the Republicans to stop spending like...Democrats things would be
>>> just about perfect.
>>
>> Under Clinton the economy got better quarter after quarter. Look at
>> where it was at any point in his administration and then look at where
>> it was 6 years later.
>
>Wrong and pointless. The economy was sliding into recession in the 2nd half
>of Clinton term #2. The years of strength in the Clinton year's came as a
>direct result of the GOP Contract With America that basically undid much of
>the damage that was underway his first two years in office.
You are full of it. The economy turned around as soon as Clinton was
elected, and the Dow started it's decline the day Bush secured the
Republican nomination. True. Look it up.
>
>The same cannot be said for Bush who inherited
>> the largest surplus in history and made it into the largest deficit in
>> history.
>>
>
>Bush inherited a stealth surplus that was largely nonsensical. Projected
>surpluses based on economic assumptions that had no historical model to be
>based on and didn't take into consideration the unknown factors (i.e. no one
>knew there would be a major stunning international crisis that changed
>everything in September of 2001 for example).
Clinton inherited a deficit and turned it into a record surplus. Bush
inherited a surplus and turned it into a record deficit.
What part of that confuses you?
>
>> And if you think that the reasons for going to Iraq were legitimate,
>> please answer just three questions.
>>
>> #1. Where was the link between Iraq and 9/11?
>>
>
>Who ever said there had to be a link between Iraq and 9/11? I never made
>the argument. I don't recall anyone on my side making that argument. I do
>recall however in late 2002 and early 2003 seeing liberals firing up the NO
>LINK strawman.
The Bush administration made that argument as shown in an earlier
post. If you missed it, I will be happy to repost it.
>> #2. Where are the WMDs?
>Well let me see...did you sleep through June of this year? I
>mean....throughout the month there was quite a bit of reporting about the
>fact that the coalition actually has in posession several hundred chemical
>and biological warheads captured in Iraq over the past 3 years. Did you
>just...not notice this? It was probably the single largest story of the
>month worldwide behind that little soccer tournament in Germany.
Are you referring to the warheads that have been obsolete since Papa
Bush was in office? The ones that would only be effective if pushed
off a cliff onto people walking below it? I suppose that Wiley Coyote
would consider them to be effective, but look at how effective he is
in choosing weapons.
So listen up America... Do not walk under tall objects in Iraq if you
see a bunch of soldiers on top of them with big heavy objects.
You know... Had Bush said that instead of invading Iraq, over 2,500
brave Americans would still be alive today and we would be as safe.
>> #3. Where is Bin Laden?
>>
>
>Someplace in southern Afghanistan. But what does that have to do with
>whether or not we should have gone to war in Iraq?
Bin Laden attacked us. He started a war with us. He is responsible for
thousands of Americans being dead (though Bush is catching up). Bush
went after Iraq instead of pursuing Bin Laden because Iraq had "better
targets."
> I mean besides the
>obvious open support that the Baathists in Iraq gave to Al Quaida despite
>years of your side stating that there was no connection between the two
>(note: in February of 1999 Saddam publically invited Osama to accept asylum
>in Iraq...your hero Clinton launched one missile barrage in the fall of 1998
>into targets in among other places..Iraq to destroy Al Qaida training
>facilities).
What Saddam may or may not have done in 1999 has nothing to do with
what Bin Laden did 2 years later. BTW... In case you didn't notice,
Bin Laden did not take refuge in Iraq.
>But if your argument against Iraq is that we have not found Osama...that
>argument lacks a certain logic.
Not at all. We haven't found Osama because Bush spent more time,
energy, and resources invading Iraq. His response made about as much
sense as it would have made for FDR to respond to Pearl Harbor by
attacking Argentina. Bin Laden got away because Bush took his eye off
the ball.
>> Bush is a disaster, but then there is no reason to believe that he
>> never got a blow job in his life. I sincerely hope that you do not
>> like him for your ability to relate...
>>
>
>I see..so what you are making is a very logical argument. Well done.
I was making an obvious point. You are clearly obsessed with Clinton
as demonstrated by your inclusion of 10 year old quotes as tag lines.
>> Of course, if you have gotten a blow job, Bush was probably watching
>> it. After all, it is Bush who decided that the Constitutional rights
>> of Americans to not be spied on by their government was only a
>> suggestion made by the Founding Fathers...
>>
>
>Yet another strawman. And a bizarre one also lacking a certain thing called
>fact.
If you watched anything besides Fox news you would know that Bush has
been spying on private Americans for years under the Patriot Act.
That includes you. That includes me.
And just think how you would feel if it were President Hillary spying
on you? As comfortable and secure as you are when W is doing it?
Loki
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who may not be getting packages from home,
you can get some ideas as to how to do so at:
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It is a non profit, volunteer run organization.
I encourage everyone to check it out,
respond from the heart, and pass it
along to anyone you think may want
to remember our overseas military personnel,
throughout the year.
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| Re: a boxing tournament online [message #1086857 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 04:00 |
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Loki wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:49:37 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
> <C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Loki wrote:
>>> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:50:20 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
>>> <C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Loki wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:43:31 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
>>>>> <C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Loki wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:19:44 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
>>>>>>> <C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "You know one things that's wrong with this country? Everybody
>>>>>>>> gets a chance to have their fair say." - President Clinton 28
>>>>>>>> May 1993
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "There is nothing patriotic about hating your country, or
>>>>>>>> pretending that you can love your country but despise your
>>>>>>>> government." - President Clinton 5 May 1995
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You know Charles, I do not know if you have missed a couple of
>>>>>>> newspapers or news broadcasts, but Clinton has not been
>>>>>>> President for almost 6 years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yea. AIN'T IT GREAT?!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Hell no!!! I wish that Bush would get a blow job and get us out of
>>>>> his phony war in Iraq and bring back Clinton's economy.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You must have been um...wait a second...who? The economy we have
>>>> right this second is sensational. The "phony war" in Iraq is
>>>> um...not phony unless you are an insane Democrat hellbent
>>>> on..well...not really sure what in Hell drives Dems except
>>>> oppositionalism for the sake of oppositionalism. Hmmm....incomes
>>>> are actually up despite what left wing media pretends. Disposable
>>>> income is way up. More people are working today then at anytime in
>>>> history..we have record home ownership...record business startups
>>>> without that nasty problem of thousands of business failing everday
>>>> as happened during the entire 2nd Clinton term. Now if we could
>>>> get the Republicans to stop spending like...Democrats things would
>>>> be just about perfect.
>>>
>>> Under Clinton the economy got better quarter after quarter. Look at
>>> where it was at any point in his administration and then look at
>>> where it was 6 years later.
>>
>> Wrong and pointless. The economy was sliding into recession in the
>> 2nd half of Clinton term #2. The years of strength in the Clinton
>> year's came as a direct result of the GOP Contract With America that
>> basically undid much of the damage that was underway his first two
>> years in office.
>
> You are full of it. The economy turned around as soon as Clinton was
> elected,
Yes I am full of it. The facts say differently but don't let that stomp a
hole in your plan.
and the Dow started it's decline the day Bush secured the
> Republican nomination. True. Look it up.
The Dow has hovered at record levels throughout the Bush Presidency and the
economy is growing at rapid pace right this minute. Again facts.....
>>
>> The same cannot be said for Bush who inherited
>>> the largest surplus in history and made it into the largest deficit
>>> in history.
>>>
>>
>> Bush inherited a stealth surplus that was largely nonsensical.
>> Projected surpluses based on economic assumptions that had no
>> historical model to be based on and didn't take into consideration
>> the unknown factors (i.e. no one knew there would be a major
>> stunning international crisis that changed everything in September
>> of 2001 for example).
>
> Clinton inherited a deficit and turned it into a record surplus. Bush
> inherited a surplus and turned it into a record deficit.
>
Clinton inherited a deficit...never even hinted at a balanced budget...then
when the GOP took over Congress the first time Clinton was handed a balanced
budget...he vetoed it.
> What part of that confuses you?
>>
>>> And if you think that the reasons for going to Iraq were legitimate,
>>> please answer just three questions.
>>>
>>> #1. Where was the link between Iraq and 9/11?
>>>
>>
>> Who ever said there had to be a link between Iraq and 9/11? I never
>> made the argument. I don't recall anyone on my side making that
>> argument. I do recall however in late 2002 and early 2003 seeing
>> liberals firing up the NO LINK strawman.
>
> The Bush administration made that argument as shown in an earlier
> post. If you missed it, I will be happy to repost it.
>
The Bush Administration did not make that argument. The argument was not
IRAQ WAS BEHIND 9/11!!! That was never ever the argument. You can post
whatever you want on that matter, it is irrelevant.
>>> #2. Where are the WMDs?
>
>> Well let me see...did you sleep through June of this year? I
>> mean....throughout the month there was quite a bit of reporting
>> about the fact that the coalition actually has in posession several
>> hundred chemical and biological warheads captured in Iraq over the
>> past 3 years. Did you just...not notice this? It was probably the
>> single largest story of the month worldwide behind that little
>> soccer tournament in Germany.
>
> Are you referring to the warheads that have been obsolete since Papa
> Bush was in office?
Are you referring to an absurd argument floated by sympathetic sources on
your side that do not hold any water with anyone that knows the subject
matter?
The ones that would only be effective if pushed
> off a cliff onto people walking below it? I suppose that Wiley Coyote
> would consider them to be effective, but look at how effective he is
> in choosing weapons.
>
Ahhh you are a Keith Olbermann fan. Now here is a reality check. The
various skin and nerve agents discussed have shelf lives that varry. The
argument being made by your side as a blanket attack no these revelations
essentially is not based on reality. The best argument would be that the
rockets themselves might not be viable..which is not to say that mustard
agent that is 20 years old won't do horrific damage to you. If you doubt it
I cordially invite you to take a skin test yourself and see how long you buy
that little silly argument you are clinging to.
> So listen up America... Do not walk under tall objects in Iraq if you
> see a bunch of soldiers on top of them with big heavy objects.
>
> You know... Had Bush said that instead of invading Iraq, over 2,500
> brave Americans would still be alive today and we would be as safe.
>
You know, if a mushroom cloud went off over Miami you would be blaming Bush
for that as well. Fighting a war on terror while ignoring Iraq in the same
neighborhood while pretending they were cooperating with a cease fire that
they made a public mockery of would be malpractice.
>>> #3. Where is Bin Laden?
>>>
>>
>> Someplace in southern Afghanistan. But what does that have to do
>> with whether or not we should have gone to war in Iraq?
>
> Bin Laden attacked us.
Bin Laden isn't being ignored either. This isn't a war on Al Quaida in
Afghanistan. It is a war on terror.
He started a war with us. He is responsible for
> thousands of Americans being dead (though Bush is catching up). Bush
> went after Iraq instead of pursuing Bin Laden because Iraq had "better
> targets."
>
Oh so all of my friends that are in Afghanistan engaged with Al Quaida and
the Taliban there..aren't really there? Wow! Astonishing! "instead of"
implies that we are not engaged in Afghanistan. Rather stunning to find out
since we have been there in force since the fall of 20001.
>> I mean besides the
>> obvious open support that the Baathists in Iraq gave to Al Quaida
>> despite years of your side stating that there was no connection
>> between the two (note: in February of 1999 Saddam publically invited
>> Osama to accept asylum in Iraq...your hero Clinton launched one
>> missile barrage in the fall of 1998 into targets in among other
>> places..Iraq to destroy Al Qaida training facilities).
>
> What Saddam may or may not have done in 1999 has nothing to do with
> what Bin Laden did 2 years later.
Perhaps. Which isn't really the point now is it? Your side has pretended
that there was "NO CONNECTION BETWEEN IRAQ AND AL QUAIDA PRIOR TO OUR
INVASION" which is simply a lie. Osama and Saddam were co-belligerents.
Iraq was a terrorist state whom we happened to have an existent state of war
with in early 2002.
BTW... In case you didn't notice,
> Bin Laden did not take refuge in Iraq.
>
I know that. I knew that. I am also on several orders certain that before
9/11 you never heard of Osama Bin Laden...whereas by noon PST on 9/11/01 I
was on record with anyone who would listen that this had the look of an Al
Quaida attack.
>> But if your argument against Iraq is that we have not found
>> Osama...that argument lacks a certain logic.
>
> Not at all. We haven't found Osama because Bush spent more time,
> energy, and resources invading Iraq.
Um..incorrect. In your expertise exactly which resources that have been
allocated to Iraq would be better served in the search for Osama? Those
thousands of fighting vehicles that would be utterly useless in Afghanistan?
How about those troops trained in Desert warfighting that would also be
completely useless in Afghanistan? In the Order of Battle for Iraq vs.
Afghanistan there is little interchangeability as regards anything that
would be useful in a cave by cave search. Where in heck have you been
getting your military training/information from?
His response made about as much
> sense as it would have made for FDR to respond to Pearl Harbor by
> attacking Argentina. Bin Laden got away because Bush took his eye off
> the ball.
>
Germany and Italy say hi! BTW your analalogy also makes no sense insomuch
as the fact that in 1941 I don't know of a pre-existing state of war between
the United States...and Argentina.
>>> Bush is a disaster, but then there is no reason to believe that he
>>> never got a blow job in his life. I sincerely hope that you do not
>>> like him for your ability to relate...
>>>
>>
>> I see..so what you are making is a very logical argument. Well done.
>
> I was making an obvious point. You are clearly obsessed with Clinton
> as demonstrated by your inclusion of 10 year old quotes as tag lines.
>
I am clearly obsessed with Clinton? I didn't say a word about Clinton. You
are so obsessed you 1. replied to my sig..which has been there for months
and 2. fired up several baseless comments devoid of fact laden with false
assertions regarding the current administration and the war in Iraq.
>>> Of course, if you have gotten a blow job, Bush was probably watching
>>> it. After all, it is Bush who decided that the Constitutional rights
>>> of Americans to not be spied on by their government was only a
>>> suggestion made by the Founding Fathers...
>>>
>>
>> Yet another strawman. And a bizarre one also lacking a certain
>> thing called fact.
>
> If you watched anything besides Fox news you would know that Bush has
> been spying on private Americans for years under the Patriot Act.
>
Well I hardly watch FOXNEWS at all. I don't subscribe to the dictates of
the left wing media like you do..which is telling in your bizarre comments.
Strange, I never knew you to be a moonbat.
> That includes you. That includes me.
>
> And just think how you would feel if it were President Hillary spying
> on you? As comfortable and secure as you are when W is doing it?
>
Well I don't see any President spying on me as a good thing. Fortunately
there is nothing to suggest that a President is spying on me. The funny
thing is, you are the one pretending this is a partisan fight on my part.
What I am interested in is winning the war on terror. You seem more
interested in winning an election fight.
--
v/r Dread Pirate Rackham
"You know one things that's wrong with this country? Everybody gets a
chance to have their fair say." - President Clinton 28 May 1993
"There is nothing patriotic about hating your country, or pretending
that you can love your country but despise your government." -
President Clinton 5 May 1995
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Fri, 14 July 2006 04:56 |
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"Charles Beauchamp" <C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:1YqdnR9CeNKJQSvZnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
> Loki wrote:
>>
>> Under Clinton the economy got better quarter after quarter. Look at
>> where it was at any point in his administration and then look at where
>> it was 6 years later.
>
> Wrong and pointless. The economy was sliding into recession in the 2nd
> half of Clinton term #2. The years of strength in the Clinton year's came
> as a direct result of the GOP Contract With America that basically undid
> much of the damage that was underway his first two years in office.
Wow, I wanna smoke what you're smoking.
> The same cannot be said for Bush who inherited
>> the largest surplus in history and made it into the largest deficit in
>> history.
>
> Bush inherited a stealth surplus that was largely nonsensical. Projected
> surpluses based on economic assumptions that had no historical model to be
> based on and didn't take into consideration the unknown factors (i.e. no
> one knew there would be a major stunning international crisis that changed
> everything in September of 2001 for example).
Sept. 11 prompted the invasion of Afghanistan, a move which the world
supported. 9/11 has been the catch phrase for just about everything done
since that invasion, whether 9/11 was related to it or not.
Gay marriage? 9/11 ;->
>> And if you think that the reasons for going to Iraq were legitimate,
>> please answer just three questions.
>>
>> #1. Where was the link between Iraq and 9/11?
>>
>
> Who ever said there had to be a link between Iraq and 9/11?
Oh my god! The insinuation was made again and again. If you really believe
the Bush Admin. never meant to tie the two together, you're eyes are wide
shut.
>I never made the argument. I don't recall anyone on my side making that
>argument.
See the above.
> I do recall however in late 2002 and early 2003 seeing liberals firing
> up the NO LINK strawman.
>> #2. Where are the WMDs?
>
> Well let me see...did you sleep through June of this year? I
> mean....throughout the month there was quite a bit of reporting about the
> fact that the coalition actually has in posession several hundred chemical
> and biological warheads captured in Iraq over the past 3 years.
Do you mean the 'wmds' to which Rick Santorum referred and was laughed at
because those weapons were old and not the type of WMD's to which the
invasion of Iraq was based.
And the US is still searching for the missing flintlocks.
>Did you just...not notice this? It was probably the single largest story
>of the month worldwide behind that little soccer tournament in Germany.
>
>> #3. Where is Bin Laden?
>
> Someplace in southern Afghanistan.
Or not. We don't know where he is. We know some places he's not and one
place he's not is in custody of the US forces.
History will not be kind to George W. Bush. Historians will rank him as one
of the worst presidents in history, if not the worst. Mark my words.
Someday the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire, and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."-H.L. Mencken
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| Re: a boxing tournament online [message #1086868 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 06:15 |
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:00:15 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
<C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>Loki wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:49:37 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
>> <C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Loki wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:50:20 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
>>>> <C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Loki wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:43:31 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
>>>>>> <C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Loki wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:19:44 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
>>>>>>>> <C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "You know one things that's wrong with this country? Everybody
>>>>>>>>> gets a chance to have their fair say." - President Clinton 28
>>>>>>>>> May 1993
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "There is nothing patriotic about hating your country, or
>>>>>>>>> pretending that you can love your country but despise your
>>>>>>>>> government." - President Clinton 5 May 1995
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You know Charles, I do not know if you have missed a couple of
>>>>>>>> newspapers or news broadcasts, but Clinton has not been
>>>>>>>> President for almost 6 years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yea. AIN'T IT GREAT?!!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hell no!!! I wish that Bush would get a blow job and get us out of
>>>>>> his phony war in Iraq and bring back Clinton's economy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You must have been um...wait a second...who? The economy we have
>>>>> right this second is sensational. The "phony war" in Iraq is
>>>>> um...not phony unless you are an insane Democrat hellbent
>>>>> on..well...not really sure what in Hell drives Dems except
>>>>> oppositionalism for the sake of oppositionalism. Hmmm....incomes
>>>>> are actually up despite what left wing media pretends. Disposable
>>>>> income is way up. More people are working today then at anytime in
>>>>> history..we have record home ownership...record business startups
>>>>> without that nasty problem of thousands of business failing everday
>>>>> as happened during the entire 2nd Clinton term. Now if we could
>>>>> get the Republicans to stop spending like...Democrats things would
>>>>> be just about perfect.
>>>>
>>>> Under Clinton the economy got better quarter after quarter. Look at
>>>> where it was at any point in his administration and then look at
>>>> where it was 6 years later.
>>>
>>> Wrong and pointless. The economy was sliding into recession in the
>>> 2nd half of Clinton term #2. The years of strength in the Clinton
>>> year's came as a direct result of the GOP Contract With America that
>>> basically undid much of the damage that was underway his first two
>>> years in office.
>>
>> You are full of it. The economy turned around as soon as Clinton was
>> elected,
>
>Yes I am full of it. The facts say differently but don't let that stomp a
>hole in your plan.
What "facts" are you referring to?
>
>and the Dow started it's decline the day Bush secured the
>> Republican nomination. True. Look it up.
>
>The Dow has hovered at record levels throughout the Bush Presidency and the
>economy is growing at rapid pace right this minute. Again facts.....
The facts are, as I said, the Dow started to decline the day Bush
secured the nomination. I notice that you were honest enough to not
deny that.
>>>
>>> The same cannot be said for Bush who inherited
>>>> the largest surplus in history and made it into the largest deficit
>>>> in history.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Bush inherited a stealth surplus that was largely nonsensical.
>>> Projected surpluses based on economic assumptions that had no
>>> historical model to be based on and didn't take into consideration
>>> the unknown factors (i.e. no one knew there would be a major
>>> stunning international crisis that changed everything in September
>>> of 2001 for example).
>>
>> Clinton inherited a deficit and turned it into a record surplus. Bush
>> inherited a surplus and turned it into a record deficit.
>>
>
>Clinton inherited a deficit...never even hinted at a balanced budget...then
>when the GOP took over Congress the first time Clinton was handed a balanced
>budget...he vetoed it.
How many balanced budgets has Bush signed, or even proposed? Same GOP
Congress..
..
>> What part of that confuses you?
>>>
>>>> And if you think that the reasons for going to Iraq were legitimate,
>>>> please answer just three questions.
>>>>
>>>> #1. Where was the link between Iraq and 9/11?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Who ever said there had to be a link between Iraq and 9/11? I never
>>> made the argument. I don't recall anyone on my side making that
>>> argument. I do recall however in late 2002 and early 2003 seeing
>>> liberals firing up the NO LINK strawman.
>>
>> The Bush administration made that argument as shown in an earlier
>> post. If you missed it, I will be happy to repost it.
>>
>
>The Bush Administration did not make that argument. The argument was not
>IRAQ WAS BEHIND 9/11!!! That was never ever the argument. You can post
>whatever you want on that matter, it is irrelevant.
Yes they did.
>>>> #2. Where are the WMDs?
>>
>>> Well let me see...did you sleep through June of this year? I
>>> mean....throughout the month there was quite a bit of reporting
>>> about the fact that the coalition actually has in posession several
>>> hundred chemical and biological warheads captured in Iraq over the
>>> past 3 years. Did you just...not notice this? It was probably the
>>> single largest story of the month worldwide behind that little
>>> soccer tournament in Germany.
>>
>> Are you referring to the warheads that have been obsolete since Papa
>> Bush was in office?
>
>Are you referring to an absurd argument floated by sympathetic sources on
>your side that do not hold any water with anyone that knows the subject
>matter?
Guess what Charley... You don't have a clue as to what you are talking
about.
>The ones that would only be effective if pushed
>> off a cliff onto people walking below it? I suppose that Wiley Coyote
>> would consider them to be effective, but look at how effective he is
>> in choosing weapons.
>>
>
>Ahhh you are a Keith Olbermann fan.
Actually not. I have seen him maybe three times and didn't dislike
him, but I am certainly not a fan, have never gone out of my way to
see him, and have not seen him since the last election. Truth is that
I do not even know what channel or time he is on.
> Now here is a reality check. The
>various skin and nerve agents discussed have shelf lives that varry. The
>argument being made by your side as a blanket attack no these revelations
>essentially is not based on reality.
And the reality is that there are cleaning chemicals in my house that
are more toxic and active.
> The best argument would be that the
>rockets themselves might not be viable..which is not to say that mustard
>agent that is 20 years old won't do horrific damage to you. If you doubt it
>I cordially invite you to take a skin test yourself and see how long you buy
>that little silly argument you are clinging to.
Again... I suppose that if someone were to walk to where one of the
warheads was, unscrewed the top of it, and stuck their head inside it
would do some damage, but barring that (and I cannot see too many
tourists lining up to take that trip) they were not a treat to
Americans.
>> So listen up America... Do not walk under tall objects in Iraq if you
>> see a bunch of soldiers on top of them with big heavy objects.
>>
>> You know... Had Bush said that instead of invading Iraq, over 2,500
>> brave Americans would still be alive today and we would be as safe.
>>
>
>You know, if a mushroom cloud went off over Miami you would be blaming Bush
>for that as well.
Once again Charley... Deal with reality. Not fantasy. I have not
suggested that had Gore been President on 9/11 that you, and other
Republicans would not be saying that it wouldn't have happened had
Bush won.
I am not saying that if Osama were still on the loose going on 5 years
after the fact while we were in a war with a country that had nothing
to do with the attack that you wouldn't be criticizing Gore.
So stick to what is please and not your paper tigers.
> Fighting a war on terror while ignoring Iraq in the same
>neighborhood while pretending they were cooperating with a cease fire that
>they made a public mockery of would be malpractice.
Fighting a war on terror while letting the most horrific terrorist in
the world escape so that we could focus on a country that had nothing
to do with the attack, and an inability to attack us if they wanted to
is incompetence of the highest order.
>>>> #3. Where is Bin Laden?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Someplace in southern Afghanistan. But what does that have to do
>>> with whether or not we should have gone to war in Iraq?
>>
>> Bin Laden attacked us.
>
>Bin Laden isn't being ignored either. This isn't a war on Al Quaida in
>Afghanistan. It is a war on terror.
I know there is conflict in Afghanistan. My son is there. And it
doesn't change a thing. Bush focused on the wrong guy, on the wrong
country.
> He started a war with us. He is responsible for
>> thousands of Americans being dead (though Bush is catching up). Bush
>> went after Iraq instead of pursuing Bin Laden because Iraq had "better
>> targets."
>>
>
>Oh so all of my friends that are in Afghanistan engaged with Al Quaida and
>the Taliban there..aren't really there? Wow! Astonishing! "instead of"
>implies that we are not engaged in Afghanistan. Rather stunning to find out
>since we have been there in force since the fall of 20001.
See above. My son is there. Why are there more troops in Iraq (which
had nothing to do with the attack) than going after Bin Laden?
Answer... Bush focused on the wrong target.
>>> I mean besides the
>>> obvious open support that the Baathists in Iraq gave to Al Quaida
>>> despite years of your side stating that there was no connection
>>> between the two (note: in February of 1999 Saddam publically invited
>>> Osama to accept asylum in Iraq...your hero Clinton launched one
>>> missile barrage in the fall of 1998 into targets in among other
>>> places..Iraq to destroy Al Qaida training facilities).
>>
>> What Saddam may or may not have done in 1999 has nothing to do with
>> what Bin Laden did 2 years later.
>
>Perhaps. Which isn't really the point now is it? Your side has pretended
>that there was "NO CONNECTION BETWEEN IRAQ AND AL QUAIDA PRIOR TO OUR
>INVASION" which is simply a lie. Osama and Saddam were co-belligerents.
>Iraq was a terrorist state whom we happened to have an existent state of war
>with in early 2002.
"My side" has rightfully said that there is no connection between Iraq
and 9/11. However, following through on your logic, it would appear as
if some bad guy were to bonk you on the head, steal your wallet and
car and violate the woman in your life that you would rather the cops,
even if they knew who he was, didn't focus on getting him but rather
on getting the guy who was his drinking buddy 2 years ago.
Sorry.... Just doesn't play with me.
>
> BTW... In case you didn't notice,
>> Bin Laden did not take refuge in Iraq.
>>
>
>I know that. I knew that. I am also on several orders certain that before
>9/11 you never heard of Osama Bin Laden.
You would be wrong. Sorry Charley, but arrogance doesn't become you.
>..whereas by noon PST on 9/11/01 I
>was on record with anyone who would listen that this had the look of an Al
>Quaida attack.
Good for you. Too bad you didn't have the President's ear. According
to Richard Clarke who was there, he insisted that it was Iraq.
>>> But if your argument against Iraq is that we have not found
>>> Osama...that argument lacks a certain logic.
>>
>> Not at all. We haven't found Osama because Bush spent more time,
>> energy, and resources invading Iraq.
>
>Um..incorrect. In your expertise exactly which resources that have been
>allocated to Iraq would be better served in the search for Osama? Those
>thousands of fighting vehicles that would be utterly useless in Afghanistan?
>How about those troops trained in Desert warfighting that would also be
>completely useless in Afghanistan? In the Order of Battle for Iraq vs.
>Afghanistan there is little interchangeability as regards anything that
>would be useful in a cave by cave search. Where in heck have you been
>getting your military training/information from?
Simple question. Where are more troops and more resources going? After
Bin Laden, or Iraq?
>His response made about as much
>> sense as it would have made for FDR to respond to Pearl Harbor by
>> attacking Argentina. Bin Laden got away because Bush took his eye off
>> the ball.
>Germany and Italy say hi!
Germany declared war on us on 12/8, but then you probably knew that,
right? When did Iraq declare war on us?
> BTW your analalogy also makes no sense insomuch
>as the fact that in 1941 I don't know of a pre-existing state of war between
>the United States...and Argentina.
The USA and Iraq were not at war on 9/11 Columbo.
>>>> Bush is a disaster, but then there is no reason to believe that he
>>>> never got a blow job in his life. I sincerely hope that you do not
>>>> like him for your ability to relate...
>>>>
>>>
>>> I see..so what you are making is a very logical argument. Well done.
>>
>> I was making an obvious point. You are clearly obsessed with Clinton
>> as demonstrated by your inclusion of 10 year old quotes as tag lines.
>>
>
>I am clearly obsessed with Clinton? I didn't say a word about Clinton.
This entire thread began when I questioned your using 10 year old
quotes of Clinton.
> You
>are so obsessed you 1. replied to my sig..which has been there for months
>and 2. fired up several baseless comments devoid of fact laden with false
>assertions regarding the current administration and the war in Iraq.
I questioned your sig line because it is quite honestly pretty stupid
and I was calling it to your attention since you may have had it for
so long that you had forgotten it was there. Secondly, I have made no
false or careless allegations about Bush. You cannot make the same
claim regarding Clinton.
>>>> Of course, if you have gotten a blow job, Bush was probably watching
>>>> it. After all, it is Bush who decided that the Constitutional rights
>>>> of Americans to not be spied on by their government was only a
>>>> suggestion made by the Founding Fathers...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yet another strawman. And a bizarre one also lacking a certain
>>> thing called fact.
>>
>> If you watched anything besides Fox news you would know that Bush has
>> been spying on private Americans for years under the Patriot Act.
>>
>
>Well I hardly watch FOXNEWS at all.
Good beginning.
> I don't subscribe to the dictates of
>the left wing media like you do..which is telling in your bizarre comments.
The media is anything but left wing, which anyone who is paying
attention knows. Yeah, most reporters are liberal, but most editors
and almost all publishers and station owners are Republican and if you
think that a reporter determines new content, you probably also think
that corporals determine troop movements.
>Strange, I never knew you to be a moonbat.
>
>> That includes you. That includes me.
>>
>> And just think how you would feel if it were President Hillary spying
>> on you? As comfortable and secure as you are when W is doing it?
>Well I don't see any President spying on me as a good thing. Fortunately
>there is nothing to suggest that a President is spying on me.
Whether he is or is not is not as important as the fact that he
decided that he can without following due process.
> The funny
>thing is, you are the one pretending this is a partisan fight on my part.
Well, 10 year old Clinton quotes in your signature would suggest
that...
>What I am interested in is winning the war on terror. You seem more
>interested in winning an election fight.
You are full of it and your comment is baseless and vile.
Loki
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Loki wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:00:15 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
> <C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Loki wrote:
>>> On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:49:37 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
>>> <C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Loki wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:50:20 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
>>>>> <C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Loki wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:43:31 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
>>>>>>> <C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Loki wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:19:44 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
>>>>>>>>> <C.E.Beauchamp [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "You know one things that's wrong with this country?
>>>>>>>>>> Everybody gets a chance to have their fair say." - President
>>>>>>>>>> Clinton 28 May 1993
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "There is nothing patriotic about hating your country, or
>>>>>>>>>> pretending that you can love your country but despise your
>>>>>>>>>> government." - President Clinton 5 May 1995
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You know Charles, I do not know if you have missed a couple of
>>>>>>>>> newspapers or news broadcasts, but Clinton has not been
>>>>>>>>> President for almost 6 years.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yea. AIN'T IT GREAT?!!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hell no!!! I wish that Bush would get a blow job and get us out
>>>>>>> of his phony war in Iraq and bring back Clinton's economy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You must have been um...wait a second...who? The economy we have
>>>>>> right this second is sensational. The "phony war" in Iraq is
>>>>>> um...not phony unless you are an insane Democrat hellbent
>>>>>> on..well...not really sure what in Hell drives Dems except
>>>>>> oppositionalism for the sake of oppositionalism. Hmmm....incomes
>>>>>> are actually up despite what left wing media pretends. Disposable
>>>>>> income is way up. More people are working today then at anytime
>>>>>> in history..we have record home ownership...record business
>>>>>> startups without that nasty problem of thousands of business
>>>>>> failing everday as happened during the entire 2nd Clinton term.
>>>>>> Now if we could get the Republicans to stop spending
>>>>>> like...Democrats things would be just about perfect.
>>>>>
>>>>> Under Clinton the economy got better quarter after quarter. Look
>>>>> at where it was at any point in his administration and then look
>>>>> at where it was 6 years later.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong and pointless. The economy was sliding into recession in the
>>>> 2nd half of Clinton term #2. The years of strength in the Clinton
>>>> year's came as a direct result of the GOP Contract With America
>>>> that basically undid much of the damage that was underway his
>>>> first two years in office.
>>>
>>> You are full of it. The economy turned around as soon as Clinton was
>>> elected,
>>
>> Yes I am full of it. The facts say differently but don't let that
>> stomp a hole in your plan.
>
> What "facts" are you referring to?
>
See below.
>>
>> and the Dow started it's decline the day Bush secured the
>>> Republican nomination. True. Look it up.
>>
>> The Dow has hovered at record levels throughout the Bush Presidency
>> and the economy is growing at rapid pace right this minute. Again
>> facts.....
>
> The facts are, as I said, the Dow started to decline the day Bush
> secured the nomination. I notice that you were honest enough to not
> deny that.
>
I ignored it because it doesn't mean anything. The Dow is not at any low
levels by any measure. What in Hell are you talking about?
>>>>
>>>> The same cannot be said for Bush who inherited
>>>>> the largest surplus in history and made it into the largest
>>>>> deficit in history.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bush inherited a stealth surplus that was largely nonsensical.
>>>> Projected surpluses based on economic assumptions that had no
>>>> historical model to be based on and didn't take into consideration
>>>> the unknown factors (i.e. no one knew there would be a major
>>>> stunning international crisis that changed everything in September
>>>> of 2001 for example).
>>>
>>> Clinton inherited a deficit and turned it into a record surplus.
>>> Bush inherited a surplus and turned it into a record deficit.
>>>
>>
>> Clinton inherited a deficit...never even hinted at a balanced
>> budget...then when the GOP took over Congress the first time Clinton
>> was handed a balanced budget...he vetoed it.
>
> How many balanced budgets has Bush signed, or even proposed? Same GOP
> Congress..
>
Not sure if you noticed his first real budget but..there was some major
mitigating circumstances around that. Did you manage to miss that as well?
Bill Clinton didn't have a war on terror to fight. I am certain that future
historians will manage to not forget that little tidbit that you seem to
somehow miss.
>>> What part of that confuses you?
>>>>
>>>>> And if you think that the reasons for going to Iraq were
>>>>> legitimate, please answer just three questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> #1. Where was the link between Iraq and 9/11?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Who ever said there had to be a link between Iraq and 9/11? I
>>>> never made the argument. I don't recall anyone on my side making
>>>> that argument. I do recall however in late 2002 and early 2003
>>>> seeing liberals firing up the NO LINK strawman.
>>>
>>> The Bush administration made that argument as shown in an earlier
>>> post. If you missed it, I will be happy to repost it.
>>>
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