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| Re: Training Week Ending July 9, 2006 [message #1074049 ] |
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<jobin [at] remove-deez-words.hotmail.com.edu> wrote in message
news:e8vm1k$35f$1 [at] glue.ucr.edu...
> SwStudio <absolutelyaccurate [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>> Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training
>> week and goals.
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> Had a great last couple of weeks.
You went to Alaska, especially Anchorage, and didn't look up Dot?
She's going to be so disappointed!
-DF
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> - A few 5-6 mile runs on trails in Anchorage, Alaska.
> - A 3 mile run at 2 a.m. in Denali National Park. This was just
> beautiful.
> Perfect light. Not a soul in sight. This came during the course of a
> 20+ mile dusk-through-dawn hike during which I saw a fox with a
> rabbit
> in its mouth, a fox by itself, beavers, birds of different feathers,
> and
> friendly mosquitoes.
> - ~3 miles on Mt. Marathon in Seward. Did this a couple of days before
> the
> 4th of July race. It's more a hike than a run. Sometimes on all
> fours.
> I took the runners' up trail both up and down. Took me just under a
> hour.
> Apparently, they have a runners' down trail where you can take 20
> foot
> strides while flying down, from what a local runner told me. He's
> done
> the down part in 9 minutes. Took me about 24 minutes.
> Post-hike fuel - salmon pizza - one of the best pizzas I've ever had.
> - Plenty of walking and hiking.
>
> All in all, a whale of a time (saw a few of them in Seward ;-) )
> The best part was the 24 hour daylight. No need to worry about whether
> it's getting too dark to go for a run without road ID or reflective
> stripes or a gun.
>
> The passion for running has been reignited. Alaska is great for
> running,
> at least, in the summer :-)
>
> jobs
>
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| Re: Training Week Ending July 9, 2006 [message #1074052 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 17:58 |
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Doug Freese <dfreese [at] hvc.rr.com> wrote:
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> <jobin [at] remove-deez-words.hotmail.com.edu> wrote in message
> news:e8vm1k$35f$1 [at] glue.ucr.edu...
>> SwStudio <absolutelyaccurate [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training
>>> week and goals.
>>>
>>
>> Had a great last couple of weeks.
>
> You went to Alaska, especially Anchorage, and didn't look up Dot?
> She's going to be so disappointed!
>
> -DF
Hey Doug,
Honestly, I did think of her, just didn't have the time to do it :(
All that hiking and running and stuff. Heck, we were getting complaints
from family about not spending enough time with the family.
And, I thought she lived somewhere near Fairbanks, not Anchorage.
jobs
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| Re: Training Week Ending July 9, 2006 [message #1074057 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 20:11 |
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<jobin [at] remove-deez-words.hotmail.com.edu> wrote in message
news:e90hqu$a2d$1 [at] glue.ucr.edu...
> Honestly, I did think of her, just didn't have the time to do it :(
> All that hiking and running and stuff. Heck, we were getting
> complaints
> from family about not spending enough time with the family.
>
> And, I thought she lived somewhere near Fairbanks, not Anchorage.
Actually Anchorage is haul and I was kiding a little but Mt. Marathon in
Seward IS her back yard. She's gunna get you! :)
-Doug
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| Re: Training Week Ending July 9, 2006 [message #1074059 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 22:11 |
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jobin [at] remove-deez-words.hotmail.com.edu wrote:
> SwStudio <absolutelyaccurate [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training
>>week and goals.
>>
>
>
> Had a great last couple of weeks.
>
> - A few 5-6 mile runs on trails in Anchorage, Alaska.
Yea, what Doug said. You're in hotwater. I'm in Palmer (home of the
giant cabbages), about 40 mi NE of Anchorage, but run in there
occasionally - checking out race trails since that's where most of my
races are. Seward is about 3.5 hr drive, assuming the road is open (no
construction delays, no closures for avalanches or accidents which
happens all too frequently). Lazy mtn (not Mount Marathon), first leg of
Matanuska Peak Challenge, is in my backyard.
Where'd you run?
> - A 3 mile run at 2 a.m. in Denali National Park. This was just beautiful.
> Perfect light. Not a soul in sight. This came during the course of a
> 20+ mile dusk-through-dawn hike during which I saw a fox with a rabbit
> in its mouth, a fox by itself, beavers, birds of different feathers, and
> friendly mosquitoes.
It's nice your encounters were of the small and friendly kind. ;)
> - ~3 miles on Mt. Marathon in Seward. Did this a couple of days before the
> 4th of July race. It's more a hike than a run. Sometimes on all fours.
> I took the runners' up trail both up and down. Took me just under a hour.
Was that from the race start or the bottom of the mountain? I think
there's about 1/2 mi in town before the race hits the mtn. That's a
pretty good time either way - excellent if from the start. Of course, in
the race, there's loose rocks from runners above you, as I understand it.
You should've bid at the auction to get a place.:) I think the avg men's
auction slot went for over $800 this year. For people not familiar with
the race, it's basically about 3.3mi out/back - with a 1-mi stretch that
has 3000ft of up, then the same elev loss in reverse. It's the premier
race in Alaska and one of the oldest races in the country (7x years).
Highly competitive at the front end, and many run it just to "do" it. In
the papers, it gets the equivalent of big-city marathon buildup, which
go largely unnoticed up here.
> Apparently, they have a runners' down trail where you can take 20 foot
> strides while flying down, from what a local runner told me. He's done
> the down part in 9 minutes. Took me about 24 minutes.
Right. There's actually a couple routes people can take, depending upon
how brave / competitive they are/aren't that day.
Did you stop by Exit Glacier when you were there? That was one of my key
research areas for many years, but haven't been there for a couple years
now. May get there at end of August.
> Post-hike fuel - salmon pizza - one of the best pizzas I've ever had.
> - Plenty of walking and hiking.
>
> All in all, a whale of a time (saw a few of them in Seward ;-) )
> The best part was the 24 hour daylight. No need to worry about whether
> it's getting too dark to go for a run without road ID or reflective
> stripes or a gun.
Trusting sole regarding bears. ;) I was planning a long run yesterday,
combining a couple trails I'd hiked or biked earlier in the summer -
trying to get something of appropriate distance and elevation change for
a race in late August - combination of old dirt mining roads and single
track. I was trotting happily down the first leg, when I spotted some
scat. Yep, bear within the last day - but not steaming. Then another.
Arrive at trailhead where the single track starts. Pulled out my bear
spray to be very handy, not just in pack pocket - and grabbed a snack.
At the trail sign, it indicated there'd been bear sightings in the last
2 days - including one stalking a group of 6 hikers who eventually
abandoned their camp the day before because of aggressive actions of
bear. (I'm not sure if they had bacon grease spread on their tents, but
it could have been a reliable report.) That is not normal behavior. If
the bear is aggressive toward a group of 6, how would it be toward a
lone runner. Rhetorical.
I decided to skip that leg, and headed up the old mining road farther.
More bear scat. Time for a 180, esp. since I hadn't seen or heard any
other people-type traffic in the area, which surprised me. I did see
some claw marks on way out. I just headed back to the car, drove up the
road farther, and ran the upper portions of the main dirt road where I
knew in combination with what I'd already run, I'd get the elevation
change and distance I was looking for. Of course, I had to deal many
touristy vehicles on the road (and a few stories to go with them), even
on the back side where there didn't used to be much traffic. It was a
hill I used a couple times last year, but in terms of the way I was
doing things this year, it wasn't going to get used at all since I
thought I'd found other off-road areas. So it was nice to visit an old
friend - and I did get about distance and elevation I was hoping for.
>
> The passion for running has been reignited. Alaska is great for running,
> at least, in the summer :-)
Alaska's great for running year round!! Winter and summer are different,
but each have their benefits. Many of us really enjoy winter running
(depending on ratio of nice snow to ice/slush) - no bears, no bugs, no
tourists (present company excluded).;) Summer's nice for a change when
you can get in high country that's avalanche prone in winter and ice
generally isn't an issue. A lot of the wet areas are easier to run in
winter when everything's frozen, hopefully (overflow can be an issue).
The daylight hours in summer are nice, but you miss the twinkling of
headlamps on frost crystals and falling snow. But summer is nice for a
change. Seasons are always good.
Sounds like you had a great trip during a good weather time period! But
ya shoulda said something! I had noticed you didn't get drawn in the
lottery (I did look), but didn't realize you were going to be up here
anyway.
Dot
--
"Success is different things to different people"
-Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
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| Re: Training Week Ending July 9, 2006 [message #1074070 ] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 05:27 |
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Dot <dot.h [at] #duh?att.net> wrote:
> jobin [at] remove-deez-words.hotmail.com.edu wrote:
>>
>> - A few 5-6 mile runs on trails in Anchorage, Alaska.
>
> Yea, what Doug said. You're in hotwater. I'm in Palmer (home of the
> giant cabbages), about 40 mi NE of Anchorage, but run in there
Sorry :) Next time, I'll let you know.
I think we might have passed through Palmer on our way to see
the Matanuska Glacier.
> occasionally - checking out race trails since that's where most of my
> races are. Seward is about 3.5 hr drive, assuming the road is open (no
> construction delays, no closures for avalanches or accidents which
> happens all too frequently). Lazy mtn (not Mount Marathon), first leg of
> Matanuska Peak Challenge, is in my backyard.
>
> Where'd you run?
>
Run/walk/hike - In Anchorage, there was the Ruth Arcand Park. They have
some good trails with absolutely not a soul in sight. Didn't feel like I
was in the city. Also ran/hiked some near the Flattop mountain in Anchorage.
Then there was Seward - Mt. Marathon. In Denali, we took the bus to
Savage River and then hiked back to the entrance through the wilderness.
That's where I had my 3 mile run. Also ran a bit near the Crow Creek
Mine - don't remember exactly where that was. Hiked at the Independence
Mine near Hatcher Pass.
>> - A 3 mile run at 2 a.m. in Denali National Park. This was just beautiful.
>> Perfect light. Not a soul in sight. This came during the course of a
>> 20+ mile dusk-through-dawn hike during which I saw a fox with a rabbit
>> in its mouth, a fox by itself, beavers, birds of different feathers, and
>> friendly mosquitoes.
>
> It's nice your encounters were of the small and friendly kind. ;)
Unfortunately, we didn't encounter any grizzlies. I was hoping to
see at least one, more so since we were told that there were three
juveniles in the vicinity. Did see a lot of teddy poop and moose
droppings. And a few Big beavers in a lake that we mistook for bears.
Those beavers are big!
>> - ~3 miles on Mt. Marathon in Seward. Did this a couple of days before the
>> 4th of July race. It's more a hike than a run. Sometimes on all fours.
>> I took the runners' up trail both up and down. Took me just under a hour.
>
> Was that from the race start or the bottom of the mountain? I think
> there's about 1/2 mi in town before the race hits the mtn. That's a
> pretty good time either way - excellent if from the start. Of course, in
> the race, there's loose rocks from runners above you, as I understand it.
Nope, I'm not that good. It was from the base of the mountain. Yes,
I knew where it started - 4th and Jefferson, IIRC. I just wanted to
see what the hype was all about. It was a memorable experience. Honestly,
after about 5 minutes into it, I almost gave up since the "trail"
was looking increasingly difficult and I had to be back down by a
certain time. But, after having come that all that way, I didn't think
I could give up that easily. So, I kept going.
>
> You should've bid at the auction to get a place.:) I think the avg men's
> auction slot went for over $800 this year.
I have to say, even after hiking it, I can't figure out why someone
would pay that much for it :)
> Did you stop by Exit Glacier when you were there? That was one of my key
> research areas for many years, but haven't been there for a couple years
> now. May get there at end of August.
Yes, I did. Neat place except for the seemingly hundreds (actually, more
like dozens) of teenage kids along the road that would yell at every vehicle
that passed by. Must have seen at least 5-6 police cars.
> I decided to skip that leg, and headed up the old mining road farther.
> More bear scat. Time for a 180, esp. since I hadn't seen or heard any
> other people-type traffic in the area, which surprised me. I did see
> some claw marks on way out. I just headed back to the car, drove up the
> road farther, and ran the upper portions of the main dirt road where I
> knew in combination with what I'd already run, I'd get the elevation
> change and distance I was looking for. Of course, I had to deal many
> touristy vehicles on the road (and a few stories to go with them), even
> on the back side where there didn't used to be much traffic. It was a
> hill I used a couple times last year, but in terms of the way I was
> doing things this year, it wasn't going to get used at all since I
> thought I'd found other off-road areas. So it was nice to visit an old
> friend - and I did get about distance and elevation I was hoping for.
Cool, looks like you had a good time.
One of our friends was commenting about the relatively little traffic
on July 4th on the highways, especially the RVs.
> Alaska's great for running year round!! Winter and summer are different,
> but each have their benefits. Many of us really enjoy winter running
> (depending on ratio of nice snow to ice/slush) - no bears, no bugs, no
> tourists (present company excluded).;)
I still would find it hard to run in the cold and snow. But, who
knows? I've never tried it...
> Sounds like you had a great trip during a good weather time period! But
> ya shoulda said something! I had noticed you didn't get drawn in the
> lottery (I did look), but didn't realize you were going to be up here
> anyway.
Yup, one of the best vacations I've had in a while. Feel rejuvenated.
Ya, I should've said something. But, if you've noticed, I haven't been
posting much for the past few months. Mainly because of the lack of
any substantial running. Just crossed 200 miles for the year last week.
But, now I feel refreshed. Maybe I might just make that 1000 mile goal
for the year. 5+ more months to do it.
jobs
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| Re: Training Week Ending July 9, 2006 [message #1074072 ] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 08:01 |
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jobin [at] remove-deez-words.hotmail.com.edu wrote:
> Dot <dot.h [at] #duh?att.net> wrote:
>
>>jobin [at] remove-deez-words.hotmail.com.edu wrote:
>>
>>>- A few 5-6 mile runs on trails in Anchorage, Alaska.
>>
>>Yea, what Doug said. You're in hotwater. I'm in Palmer (home of the
>>giant cabbages), about 40 mi NE of Anchorage, but run in there
>
>
> Sorry :) Next time, I'll let you know.
> I think we might have passed through Palmer on our way to see
> the Matanuska Glacier.
Yep. You passed right by my house.
>
>
>
>>occasionally - checking out race trails since that's where most of my
>>races are. Seward is about 3.5 hr drive, assuming the road is open (no
>>construction delays, no closures for avalanches or accidents which
>>happens all too frequently). Lazy mtn (not Mount Marathon), first leg of
>>Matanuska Peak Challenge, is in my backyard.
>>
>>Where'd you run?
>>
>
>
> Run/walk/hike - In Anchorage, there was the Ruth Arcand Park.
I've not run there, but know where it is.
They have
> some good trails with absolutely not a soul in sight. Didn't feel like I
> was in the city.
Anchorage is proud of that feeling. They've got so many parks within the
city, then back up to a huge state park which has a natl forest on the
other side. Even the best known Anchorage marathon (Mayor's near
solstice) is run on paved bike paths and some dirt. No need to close
roads. A former mayor and governor is a marathoner, skier, etc and
champion of trails.
> Also ran/hiked some near the Flattop mountain in Anchorage.
I've never been to the top but have hiked in the area. In fact, the
Powerline pass trail that goes by there was my Plan A for yesterday but
didn't want to go all the way in the fog.
> Then there was Seward - Mt. Marathon. In Denali, we took the bus to
> Savage River and then hiked back to the entrance through the wilderness.
> That's where I had my 3 mile run. Also ran a bit near the Crow Creek
> Mine - don't remember exactly where that was.
Crow Creek Mine is near Girdwood, along Turnagain arm near Anchorage.
That's the start of the infamous Crow Pass Crossing race and also part
of the original Iditarod trail is through there. I think that's the
trail that Cave Dog took last year on his 50k in 50 states tour.
> Hiked at the Independence
> Mine near Hatcher Pass.
Now that *is* my backyard and near where I ran yesterday. I went up road
insted of into the historical part.
Alaska trivia: The new reality show Treasure Hunters had its 1st episode
filmed at Independence Mine, Matanuska Glacier, and Lake George - all of
which are within 50 mi of me.
>
>
>>>- A 3 mile run at 2 a.m. in Denali National Park. This was just beautiful.
>>> Perfect light. Not a soul in sight. This came during the course of a
>>> 20+ mile dusk-through-dawn hike during which I saw a fox with a rabbit
>>> in its mouth, a fox by itself, beavers, birds of different feathers, and
>>> friendly mosquitoes.
>>
>>It's nice your encounters were of the small and friendly kind. ;)
>
>
> Unfortunately, we didn't encounter any grizzlies. I was hoping to
> see at least one, more so since we were told that there were three
> juveniles in the vicinity. Did see a lot of teddy poop and moose
> droppings. And a few Big beavers in a lake that we mistook for bears.
> Those beavers are big!
They did partially close one of the campgrounds to only allow hard-sided
campers (not tents) because of a marauding bear near one in one of the
campgrounds.
>
>
>>>- ~3 miles on Mt. Marathon in Seward. Did this a couple of days before the
>>> 4th of July race. It's more a hike than a run. Sometimes on all fours.
>>> I took the runners' up trail both up and down. Took me just under a hour.
>>
>>Was that from the race start or the bottom of the mountain? I think
>>there's about 1/2 mi in town before the race hits the mtn. That's a
>>pretty good time either way - excellent if from the start. Of course, in
>>the race, there's loose rocks from runners above you, as I understand it.
>
>
> Nope, I'm not that good. It was from the base of the mountain. Yes,
> I knew where it started - 4th and Jefferson, IIRC. I just wanted to
> see what the hype was all about. It was a memorable experience. Honestly,
> after about 5 minutes into it, I almost gave up since the "trail"
> was looking increasingly difficult and I had to be back down by a
> certain time. But, after having come that all that way, I didn't think
> I could give up that easily. So, I kept going.
That's the way to have your priorities straight!! Depending on what day
you did it, chances are some of the runners you saw were prepping for
the race, although some were probably tapering. That's one of those that
people train specifically for.
>
>
>>You should've bid at the auction to get a place.:) I think the avg men's
>>auction slot went for over $800 this year.
>
>
> I have to say, even after hiking it, I can't figure out why someone
> would pay that much for it :)
Hype! To say ya dun it. :) Same reason people run the Boston marathon.
You can run the route anytime, but there's only one day when all the
race hype occurs.
>
>
>>Did you stop by Exit Glacier when you were there? That was one of my key
>>research areas for many years, but haven't been there for a couple years
>>now. May get there at end of August.
>
>
> Yes, I did. Neat place except for the seemingly hundreds (actually, more
> like dozens) of teenage kids along the road that would yell at every vehicle
> that passed by. Must have seen at least 5-6 police cars.
For curiosity, what day was that? That's definitely unusual - or at
least it used to be. It's so close to town, occasionally there might be
a drunk or two, but nothing more than that in the years I camped there
(about 15 or so). But there was an incident at a campground near Seward
recently, but not sure which one. When I go down for late Aug race, I've
been debating about camping (at Exit or elsewhere) or b&b.
>
> One of our friends was commenting about the relatively little traffic
> on July 4th on the highways, especially the RVs.
Facetiously, I assume?
Unless it was right on the 4th and you were near Palmer or Anchorage. In
which case, everybody had left town and was out somewhere else.;)
Long, warm days are nice, but no one is sorry to see all the RV's leave
- and tour buses. Not sure how they are elsewhere, but up here we may
have some little, gray-haired old folks driving RVs as large as tour
buses. No special license required. Hazards of living in areas that are
destination vacation areas.;)
>
>
>>Alaska's great for running year round!! Winter and summer are different,
>>but each have their benefits. Many of us really enjoy winter running
>>(depending on ratio of nice snow to ice/slush) - no bears, no bugs, no
>>tourists (present company excluded).;)
>
>
> I still would find it hard to run in the cold and snow. But, who
> knows? I've never tried it...
It takes a little getting used to, but not bad where I am. Seldom below
0F. Interior does get cold, like below 0F most of the time, -40F sometimes.
>
>
But, if you've noticed, I haven't been
> posting much for the past few months. Mainly because of the lack of
> any substantial running. Just crossed 200 miles for the year last week.
> But, now I feel refreshed. Maybe I might just make that 1000 mile goal
> for the year. 5+ more months to do it.
>
Well, hopefully, that got your butt in gear and you'll get the mileage
up. Good chatting with you.
Dot
--
"Success is different things to different people"
-Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
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| Re: Training Week Ending July 9, 2006 [message #1074084 ] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 18:22 |
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Dot <dot.h [at] #duh?att.net> wrote:
>> Sorry :) Next time, I'll let you know.
>> I think we might have passed through Palmer on our way to see
>> the Matanuska Glacier.
>
> Yep. You passed right by my house.
Ah ;-)
>> They have some good trails with absolutely not a soul in sight.
>> Didn't feel like I was in the city.
>
> Anchorage is proud of that feeling. They've got so many parks within the
> city, then back up to a huge state park which has a natl forest on the
> other side.
Yep, that is definitely one thing going for it.
I've gone and added my bit to runtheplanet.com (awaiting moderation).
>> Also ran/hiked some near the Flattop mountain in Anchorage.
>
> I've never been to the top but have hiked in the area. In fact, the
> Powerline pass trail that goes by there was my Plan A for yesterday but
> didn't want to go all the way in the fog.
I ran a bit on the Powerline trail.
> Crow Creek Mine is near Girdwood, along Turnagain arm near Anchorage.
> That's the start of the infamous Crow Pass Crossing race and also part
> of the original Iditarod trail is through there. I think that's the
> trail that Cave Dog took last year on his 50k in 50 states tour.
Yes, you're right. Now I remember. I did see quite a few signs for
the Iditarod trail.
>> Hiked at the Independence Mine near Hatcher Pass.
>
> Now that *is* my backyard and near where I ran yesterday. I went up road
> insted of into the historical part.
Ah :-)
Very beautiful area, especially when you drive around the curve on
the highway and the mine first comes into view.
>>>Did you stop by Exit Glacier when you were there? That was one of my key
>>>research areas for many years, but haven't been there for a couple years
>>>now. May get there at end of August.
>>
>> Yes, I did. Neat place except for the seemingly hundreds (actually, more
>> like dozens) of teenage kids along the road that would yell at every
>> vehicle that passed by. Must have seen at least 5-6 police cars.
>
> For curiosity, what day was that? That's definitely unusual - or at
> least it used to be.
IIRC, it was the Sunday (maybe Saturday) before July 4.
> It's so close to town, occasionally there might be
> a drunk or two, but nothing more than that in the years I camped there
> (about 15 or so).
In town, I saw a bunch of them outside Safeway buying a bottle of
alcohol from a man in his 40's.
> But there was an incident at a campground near Seward
> recently, but not sure which one. When I go down for late Aug race, I've
> been debating about camping (at Exit or elsewhere) or b&b.
However, I have to say, at no point did I feel threatened. They just
seemed like bored kids. Yelling and holding up the peace and love
signs with their fingers.
>> One of our friends was commenting about the relatively little traffic
>> on July 4th on the highways, especially the RVs.
>
> Facetiously, I assume?
No, seriously.
> Unless it was right on the 4th and you were near Palmer or Anchorage. In
> which case, everybody had left town and was out somewhere else.;)
I think it was on our way back to Anchorage.
> But, if you've noticed, I haven't been
>> posting much for the past few months. Mainly because of the lack of
>> any substantial running. Just crossed 200 miles for the year last week.
>> But, now I feel refreshed. Maybe I might just make that 1000 mile goal
>> for the year. 5+ more months to do it.
>>
> Well, hopefully, that got your butt in gear and you'll get the mileage
> up. Good chatting with you.
>
> Dot
>
Yep, I hope so too. Nice talking to you too.
jobs
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