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| Argentina vs Wales - spoiler [message #1071518] |
Sun, 11 June 2006 22:30 |
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Make no bones about it, this young and inexperienced Wales were robbed
of a victory in Puerto Madryn today. They were robbed by the ref, Alain
O'French, who awarded Argentina a try when the ball was ground in the
dead ball area, but that's test rugby. You take the rough with the
smooth. They had it within them to win, but they failed to do so by
making silly errors. They will, hopefully, learn from this.
The match exploded at a cracking pace as Wales took an lead with a try
in the corner by Mark Jones, which Robinson failed to convert. Almost
immediately after Leguizamon got the disputed try when a ball, which
appeared to be knocked on from an Argentinian hand rolled into the goal
area and onto the dead ball line, where it was grounded and try
awarded. A bad error by the ref and one that ultimately cost Wales the
game.
Ian Evans, who had a superb game and gives the lie to the myth that
Wales is unable to produce big, hard, athletic locks. The guy looks
like a young bettle brow with pace. Honest. His interception try from
60 metres out was astounding - he outran the entire Argentinian
backline and still had time for a silly face as he crossed.
The costliest errors for Wales were the two sin binnings on half time
that allowed Argentina back into the game, and to eventually take
control.
Two late tries by Francisco Leonelli and James Hook onyl served to
underline the seesaw nature of the game. All in all, I was quite
pleased with a second string Wales.
Verdict on Wales.
Plusses for me were the appearance of Ian Evans on the international
scene, James Hook's international debut - jeez he looked good, the
return to form of Shane, who was in scorchio form, and a solid
performance by Byrne at fullback. Minuses were the return of the Popham
red mist, Gavin Thomas the penalty giveaway machine getting a start,
crap kicking by Robinson, and a poor game by Duncan Jones. Promising:
Jamie Robinson seems to be getting back to his international best.
Worries: Mike Phillips pass. For a new team, playing a new style,
without 400 seasoned internationals. Not bad.
Argentina 27-25 Wales
Argentina: (20) 27:
Tries: Leguizamon, Piossek, Leonelli.
Cons: Todeschini 3.
Pens: Todeschini 2.
Wales: (12) 25:
Tries: M Jones, Evans, Hook.
Cons: N Robinson 2.
Pens: N Robinson 2.
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| Re: Argentina vs Wales - spoiler [message #1071537 ] |
Mon, 12 June 2006 00:35 |
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"Martyn W" <ukhamlet [at] gmail.com> writes:
> Make no bones about it, this young and inexperienced Wales were robbed
> of a victory in Puerto Madryn today. They were robbed by the ref, Alain
> O'French, who awarded Argentina a try when the ball was ground in the
Come on Martyn : dont fall for that "Kaplan had a shocker" routine constantly
spewed out by our southern hemisphere colonies. At least start with
"Well played Argies" or somesuch. Although I do feel for your disappointment.
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| Re: Argentina vs Wales - spoiler [message #1071564 ] |
Mon, 12 June 2006 04:27 |
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On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 00:35:48 +0200, Walter Mitty wrote:
> "Martyn W" <ukhamlet [at] gmail.com> writes:
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>> Make no bones about it, this young and inexperienced Wales were robbed
>> of a victory in Puerto Madryn today. They were robbed by the ref, Alain
>> O'French, who awarded Argentina a try when the ball was ground in the
>
> Come on Martyn : dont fall for that "Kaplan had a shocker" routine constantly
> spewed out by our southern hemisphere colonies. At least start with
It was England fans that dubbed him "O'Kaplan."
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| Re: Argentina vs Wales - spoiler [message #1071572 ] |
Mon, 12 June 2006 08:13 |
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Walter Mitty wrote:
> "Martyn W" <ukhamlet [at] gmail.com> writes:
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> > Make no bones about it, this young and inexperienced Wales were robbed
> > of a victory in Puerto Madryn today. They were robbed by the ref, Alain
> > O'French, who awarded Argentina a try when the ball was ground in the
>
> Come on Martyn : dont fall for that "Kaplan had a shocker" routine constantly
> spewed out by our southern hemisphere colonies. At least start with
> "Well played Argies" or somesuch. Although I do feel for your disappointment.
I'm usually the first to concede if the other side were better on the
day. They weren't, we were robbed.
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| Re: Argentina vs Wales - spoiler [message #1071573 ] |
Mon, 12 June 2006 08:18 |
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Martyn W wrote:
> Make no bones about it, this young and inexperienced Wales were robbed
> of a victory in Puerto Madryn today.
I really don't think there's any need to be bitter about it. We were
narrowly but deservedly beaten by a good side in a very intimidating
atmosphere. I don't feel "robbed" in the slightest.
The ball was on the dead-ball line when it was grounded. If on-the-line
is out everywhere else on the pitch, then I assume it is there too? In
which case yes, dodgy call, but it was so early on we can hardly moan
that it cost us the game. Playing the middle 20 minutes with 7 forwards
did that. And it wasn't a knock-on, although it seemed so on the live
pictures - replays showed it was knocked backwards off a Welsh body.
I know it's dangerous to be too positive after a defeat, but there
really wasn't an awful lot wrong with Wales yesterday. Some poor
discipline, a predictably dodgy kicking display from Nicky, and the
efficient shackling of Phillips... that's about it. In the plus column
there were the Ospreys twins, Jamie, Shane, and Byrne probably had his
best game yet for Wales. As for Theo Walcott, it's hard to see how his
debut could have gone any better on a personal level. A couple of
terific passes, then a power-finish that any flanker would have been
proud of. A giant banana skin for his hype machine, side-stepped with a
swagger. Fabulous.
Having said all that, there wasn't a lot wrong with Argentina either.
Their scrum wasn't as lethal as usual, but they were organised and their
error count was low. They still may not have a world-class attacking
backline, but there aren't any weak links anymore. Add Contepomi to that
team and we've got a struggle on our hands to level the series. Roll on
Saturday!
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| Re: Argentina vs Wales - spoiler [message #1071574 ] |
Mon, 12 June 2006 08:19 |
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oob wrote:
>>Come on Martyn : dont fall for that "Kaplan had a shocker" routine constantly
>>spewed out by our southern hemisphere colonies. At least start with
>
>
> It was England fans that dubbed him "O'Kaplan."
That *was* funny, though.
Spiteful, small-minded and wrong - but funny!
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| Re: Argentina vs Wales - spoiler [message #1071578 ] |
Mon, 12 June 2006 09:12 |
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"Martyn W" <ukhamlet [at] gmail.com> writes:
> Walter Mitty wrote:
>> "Martyn W" <ukhamlet [at] gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > Make no bones about it, this young and inexperienced Wales were robbed
>> > of a victory in Puerto Madryn today. They were robbed by the ref, Alain
>> > O'French, who awarded Argentina a try when the ball was ground in the
>>
>> Come on Martyn : dont fall for that "Kaplan had a shocker" routine constantly
>> spewed out by our southern hemisphere colonies. At least start with
>> "Well played Argies" or somesuch. Although I do feel for your disappointment.
>
> I'm usually the first to concede if the other side were better on the
> day. They weren't, we were robbed.
>
I just read the BBC's review : and it seemed very balanced.
Look on the bright side : at least your team isn't totally crap with a
Dr Who extra in charge.
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| Re: Argentina vs Wales - spoiler [message #1071589 ] |
Mon, 12 June 2006 10:23 |
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Rob Stradling wrote:
> Martyn W wrote:
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> > Make no bones about it, this young and inexperienced Wales were robbed
> > of a victory in Puerto Madryn today.
>
> I really don't think there's any need to be bitter about it. We were
> narrowly but deservedly beaten by a good side in a very intimidating
> atmosphere. I don't feel "robbed" in the slightest.
>
> The ball was on the dead-ball line when it was grounded. If on-the-line
> is out everywhere else on the pitch, then I assume it is there too? In
> which case yes, dodgy call, but it was so early on we can hardly moan
> that it cost us the game. Playing the middle 20 minutes with 7 forwards
> did that. And it wasn't a knock-on, although it seemed so on the live
> pictures - replays showed it was knocked backwards off a Welsh body.
>
> I know it's dangerous to be too positive after a defeat, but there
> really wasn't an awful lot wrong with Wales yesterday. Some poor
> discipline, a predictably dodgy kicking display from Nicky, and the
> efficient shackling of Phillips... that's about it. In the plus column
> there were the Ospreys twins, Jamie, Shane, and Byrne probably had his
> best game yet for Wales. As for Theo Walcott, it's hard to see how his
> debut could have gone any better on a personal level. A couple of
> terific passes, then a power-finish that any flanker would have been
> proud of. A giant banana skin for his hype machine, side-stepped with a
> swagger. Fabulous.
>
> Having said all that, there wasn't a lot wrong with Argentina either.
> Their scrum wasn't as lethal as usual, but they were organised and their
> error count was low. They still may not have a world-class attacking
> backline, but there aren't any weak links anymore. Add Contepomi to that
> team and we've got a struggle on our hands to level the series. Roll on
> Saturday!
I'm actually a relatively bitterness-free zone following the game. I
still feel the lads deserved a win, but it's not that important. In
fact I'm more worried about Australia than I am the Argentinians. A
Welsh first XV would have obliterated the Pumas on Sunday, but, by
contrast, the Aussies looked quite good once they got going. I'd have
preferred a 3-3 draw in Sydney, but the English let me down again. I
suppose they did their part, so I can't be too unfair on them.
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| Re: Argentina vs Wales - spoiler [message #1071603 ] |
Mon, 12 June 2006 12:00 |
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Walter Mitty wrote:
> "Martyn W" <ukhamlet [at] gmail.com> writes:
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>
>>Make no bones about it, this young and inexperienced Wales were robbed
>>of a victory in Puerto Madryn today. They were robbed by the ref, Alain
>>O'French, who awarded Argentina a try when the ball was ground in the
>
>
> Come on Martyn : dont fall for that "Kaplan had a shocker" routine constantly
> spewed out by our southern hemisphere colonies. At least start with
> "Well played Argies" or somesuch. Although I do feel for your disappointment.
Yes, quite right Martyn. All credit to the opposition. Rugby was the
winner on the day. Our boys did us proud.
For Christ's sake don't start talking about what actually happened in
the game. Just give us a stream of bland euphemisms so that hopelessly
colourless Colonel Blimps like "Walter" don't learn anything new.
-- rick boyd
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| Re: Argentina vs Wales - spoiler [message #1071612 ] |
Mon, 12 June 2006 12:34 |
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rick boyd <boyd [at] comswest.net.au> writes:
> Walter Mitty wrote:
>> "Martyn W" <ukhamlet [at] gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>>Make no bones about it, this young and inexperienced Wales were robbed
>>>of a victory in Puerto Madryn today. They were robbed by the ref, Alain
>>>O'French, who awarded Argentina a try when the ball was ground in the
>> Come on Martyn : dont fall for that "Kaplan had a shocker" routine
>> constantly
>> spewed out by our southern hemisphere colonies. At least start with
>> "Well played Argies" or somesuch. Although I do feel for your disappointment.
>
> Yes, quite right Martyn. All credit to the opposition. Rugby was the
> winner on the day. Our boys did us proud.
>
> For Christ's sake don't start talking about what actually happened in
> the game. Just give us a stream of bland euphemisms so that hopelessly
> colourless Colonel Blimps like "Walter" don't learn anything new.
Oh fuck off Rick and smell the roses. I never throw in blind euphemisms
but to claim "we wuzz robbed" continually is nothing but sour
grapes. Argentina played well for a win. Credit them and then dissect
the oppositiom, yourselves and the ref.
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| Re: Argentina vs Wales - spoiler [message #1071618 ] |
Mon, 12 June 2006 13:32 |
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Martyn W wrote:
> I'd have
> preferred a 3-3 draw in Sydney, but the English let me down again. I
> suppose they did their part, so I can't be too unfair on them.
>
My standard policy with Eng v Aus games is to hope for a 0-3 win by the
away side. Failing that, one or other of them to get a complete dicking.
34-3 just doesn't cut it, I'm afraid. That's just a routine bad day at
the office, by modern standards. 76-0, now that was more like it! Nils
are dead funny, when they happen to someone else.
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| Re: Argentina vs Wales - spoiler [message #1071654 ] |
Mon, 12 June 2006 16:33 |
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Rob Stradling wrote:
> Martyn W wrote:
> > I'd have
> > preferred a 3-3 draw in Sydney, but the English let me down again. I
> > suppose they did their part, so I can't be too unfair on them.
> >
>
> My standard policy with Eng v Aus games is to hope for a 0-3 win by the
> away side. Failing that, one or other of them to get a complete dicking.
>
> 34-3 just doesn't cut it, I'm afraid. That's just a routine bad day at
> the office, by modern standards. 76-0, now that was more like it! Nils
> are dead funny, when they happen to someone else.
Well, we won't have to spend too long dividing that score by 3. I'd say
you had plenty to laugh about. If one argues that in the past, the only
reason England kickers were so busy is because the pressure play forced
penalties that perhaps otherwise would have led to tries, then one also
has to say that at the moment, teams are comfortable enough defending
against a toothless England, that they don't even bother giving
penalties away.
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| Re: Argentina vs Wales - spoiler [message #1071665 ] |
Mon, 12 June 2006 17:42 |
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simon s-b wrote:
> Rob Stradling wrote:
>
>>Martyn W wrote:
>>
>>>I'd have
>>>preferred a 3-3 draw in Sydney, but the English let me down again. I
>>>suppose they did their part, so I can't be too unfair on them.
>>>
>>
>>My standard policy with Eng v Aus games is to hope for a 0-3 win by the
>>away side. Failing that, one or other of them to get a complete dicking.
>>
>>34-3 just doesn't cut it, I'm afraid. That's just a routine bad day at
>>the office, by modern standards. 76-0, now that was more like it! Nils
>>are dead funny, when they happen to someone else.
>
>
> Well, we won't have to spend too long dividing that score by 3. I'd say
> you had plenty to laugh about. If one argues that in the past, the only
> reason England kickers were so busy is because the pressure play forced
> penalties that perhaps otherwise would have led to tries, then one also
> has to say that at the moment, teams are comfortable enough defending
> against a toothless England, that they don't even bother giving
> penalties away.
>
Oh, don't get me wrong - watching England struggle is a rare pleasure! ;-)
But prolonged though this blip is proving to be, I still don't see it as
more than a blip. Once you wake up and sack Robinson, most of your other
problems will melt away.
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| Re: Argentina vs Wales - spoiler [message #1071668 ] |
Mon, 12 June 2006 18:11 |
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Rob Stradling wrote:
> simon s-b wrote:
> > Rob Stradling wrote:
> >
> >>Martyn W wrote:
> >>
> >>>I'd have
> >>>preferred a 3-3 draw in Sydney, but the English let me down again. I
> >>>suppose they did their part, so I can't be too unfair on them.
> >>>
> >>
> >>My standard policy with Eng v Aus games is to hope for a 0-3 win by the
> >>away side. Failing that, one or other of them to get a complete dicking.
> >>
> >>34-3 just doesn't cut it, I'm afraid. That's just a routine bad day at
> >>the office, by modern standards. 76-0, now that was more like it! Nils
> >>are dead funny, when they happen to someone else.
> >
> >
> > Well, we won't have to spend too long dividing that score by 3. I'd say
> > you had plenty to laugh about. If one argues that in the past, the only
> > reason England kickers were so busy is because the pressure play forced
> > penalties that perhaps otherwise would have led to tries, then one also
> > has to say that at the moment, teams are comfortable enough defending
> > against a toothless England, that they don't even bother giving
> > penalties away.
> >
>
> Oh, don't get me wrong - watching England struggle is a rare pleasure! ;-)
>
> But prolonged though this blip is proving to be, I still don't see it as
> more than a blip. Once you wake up and sack Robinson, most of your other
> problems will melt away.
The worry is that they just finished a comprehensive, top-to-bottom
review of the England coaching structure. And the end result was to
keep Robinson in charge. If coming 4th in consecutive 6Ns doesn't do
it then I reckon we're waiting for a world cup humiliation before we
get a new coach...
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| Re: Argentina vs Wales - spoiler [message #1071683 ] |
Mon, 12 June 2006 20:57 |
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Walter Mitty wrote:
> rick boyd <boyd [at] comswest.net.au> writes:
>
> > Walter Mitty wrote:
> >> "Martyn W" <ukhamlet [at] gmail.com> writes:
> >>
> >>>Make no bones about it, this young and inexperienced Wales were robbed
> >>>of a victory in Puerto Madryn today. They were robbed by the ref, Alain
> >>>O'French, who awarded Argentina a try when the ball was ground in the
> >> Come on Martyn : dont fall for that "Kaplan had a shocker" routine
> >> constantly
> >> spewed out by our southern hemisphere colonies. At least start with
> >> "Well played Argies" or somesuch. Although I do feel for your disappointment.
> >
> > Yes, quite right Martyn. All credit to the opposition. Rugby was the
> > winner on the day. Our boys did us proud.
> >
> > For Christ's sake don't start talking about what actually happened in
> > the game. Just give us a stream of bland euphemisms so that hopelessly
> > colourless Colonel Blimps like "Walter" don't learn anything new.
>
> Oh fuck off Rick and smell the roses. I never throw in blind euphemisms
> but to claim "we wuzz robbed" continually is nothing but sour
> grapes. Argentina played well for a win. Credit them and then dissect
> the oppositiom, yourselves and the ref.
I'm not sure Walt, but I think Rickless was making light.
Let me justify the "we wuz robbed". Argentina were awarded seven points
for a converted try. The ball was CLEARLY grounded on the dead ball
line. That is a dead ball. Had the ref gone to the TV ref to check the
grounding it would have been ruled "no try". The points difference at
the end of the match was two. It's not a difficult sum.
As I point out later on in the thread, I say this without bitterness
because this was nothing like a Welsh first XV, and I'm relatively
confident that a full strength side would have dicked Argentina. Credit
to Argentina for their win, but to claim any justification for it would
be quite ridiculous. No, more to the point I'm disappointed for the
youngsters in this Welsh team who played sufficiently well to be
awarded the game, that they wern't because of the vagaries of
refereeing competence is a bit of a shame. Never mind, we live to fight
again.
On to BA for a game that will see Wales face, I suspect, the sterner
test, IMO, of Argentina's second choice number 10: Contemponi.
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| Re: Argentina vs Wales - spoiler [message #1071766 ] |
Tue, 13 June 2006 11:06 |
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Rookie wrote:
> Rob Stradling wrote:
> > simon s-b wrote:
> > > Rob Stradling wrote:
> > >
> > >>Martyn W wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>I'd have
> > >>>preferred a 3-3 draw in Sydney, but the English let me down again. I
> > >>>suppose they did their part, so I can't be too unfair on them.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>My standard policy with Eng v Aus games is to hope for a 0-3 win by the
> > >>away side. Failing that, one or other of them to get a complete dicking.
> > >>
> > >>34-3 just doesn't cut it, I'm afraid. That's just a routine bad day at
> > >>the office, by modern standards. 76-0, now that was more like it! Nils
> > >>are dead funny, when they happen to someone else.
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, we won't have to spend too long dividing that score by 3. I'd say
> > > you had plenty to laugh about. If one argues that in the past, the only
> > > reason England kickers were so busy is because the pressure play forced
> > > penalties that perhaps otherwise would have led to tries, then one also
> > > has to say that at the moment, teams are comfortable enough defending
> > > against a toothless England, that they don't even bother giving
> > > penalties away.
> > >
> >
> > Oh, don't get me wrong - watching England struggle is a rare pleasure! ;-)
> >
> > But prolonged though this blip is proving to be, I still don't see it as
> > more than a blip. Once you wake up and sack Robinson, most of your other
> > problems will melt away.
>
> The worry is that they just finished a comprehensive, top-to-bottom
> review of the England coaching structure. And the end result was to
> keep Robinson in charge. If coming 4th in consecutive 6Ns doesn't do
> it then I reckon we're waiting for a world cup humiliation before we
> get a new coach...
Come now, admitting defeat already? This far out? Was Robinson given
the all clear to lose all the away games before he left the UK? If he
was, then youre fucked for RWC. If he was expected to at least make a
fist of it there's a slight chance that an uprising from the fans and
media could oust him in time
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| Re: Argentina vs Wales - spoiler [message #1071772 ] |
Tue, 13 June 2006 11:49 |
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Craig L wrote:
> Rookie wrote:
> > Rob Stradling wrote:
> > > simon s-b wrote:
> > > > Rob Stradling wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>Martyn W wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>I'd have
> > > >>>preferred a 3-3 draw in Sydney, but the English let me down again. I
> > > >>>suppose they did their part, so I can't be too unfair on them.
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>My standard policy with Eng v Aus games is to hope for a 0-3 win by the
> > > >>away side. Failing that, one or other of them to get a complete dicking.
> > > >>
> > > >>34-3 just doesn't cut it, I'm afraid. That's just a routine bad day at
> > > >>the office, by modern standards. 76-0, now that was more like it! Nils
> > > >>are dead funny, when they happen to someone else.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, we won't have to spend too long dividing that score by 3. I'd say
> > > > you had plenty to laugh about. If one argues that in the past, the only
> > > > reason England kickers were so busy is because the pressure play forced
> > > > penalties that perhaps otherwise would have led to tries, then one also
> > > > has to say that at the moment, teams are comfortable enough defending
> > > > against a toothless England, that they don't even bother giving
> > > > penalties away.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Oh, don't get me wrong - watching England struggle is a rare pleasure! ;-)
> > >
> > > But prolonged though this blip is proving to be, I still don't see it as
> > > more than a blip. Once you wake up and sack Robinson, most of your other
> > > problems will melt away.
> >
> > The worry is that they just finished a comprehensive, top-to-bottom
> > review of the England coaching structure. And the end result was to
> > keep Robinson in charge. If coming 4th in consecutive 6Ns doesn't do
> > it then I reckon we're waiting for a world cup humiliation before we
> > get a new coach...
>
> Come now, admitting defeat already? This far out? Was Robinson given
> the all clear to lose all the away games before he left the UK? If he
> was, then youre fucked for RWC. If he was expected to at least make a
> fist of it there's a slight chance that an uprising from the fans and
> media could oust him in time
I never thought it would happen, but they've succeeded in making me
feel sorry for England. I want them to win a test match. Genuinely.
Okay, in the past, I admit, I paid lip service to wanting see them do
well against this or that team, largely because it might benefit Wales.
But now I genuinely want England to get a result. The look on my son's
face as he sat there in his white and rose coloured rugby shirt, after
the rogering they got from Australia this week, deprived me of ANY
pleasure I might have otherwise had. It's not fucking fair.
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| Re: Argentina vs Wales - spoiler [message #1071774 ] |
Tue, 13 June 2006 12:02 |
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"Martyn W" <ukhamlet [at] gmail.com> writes:
> Craig L wrote:
>> Rookie wrote:
>> > Rob Stradling wrote:
>> > > simon s-b wrote:
>> > > > Rob Stradling wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >>Martyn W wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >>>I'd have
>> > > >>>preferred a 3-3 draw in Sydney, but the English let me down again. I
>> > > >>>suppose they did their part, so I can't be too unfair on them.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>My standard policy with Eng v Aus games is to hope for a 0-3 win by the
>> > > >>away side. Failing that, one or other of them to get a complete dicking.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>34-3 just doesn't cut it, I'm afraid. That's just a routine bad day at
>> > > >>the office, by modern standards. 76-0, now that was more like it! Nils
>> > > >>are dead funny, when they happen to someone else.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Well, we won't have to spend too long dividing that score by 3. I'd say
>> > > > you had plenty to laugh about. If one argues that in the past, the only
>> > > > reason England kickers were so busy is because the pressure play forced
>> > > > penalties that perhaps otherwise would have led to tries, then one also
>> > > > has to say that at the moment, teams are comfortable enough defending
>> > > > against a toothless England, that they don't even bother giving
>> > > > penalties away.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Oh, don't get me wrong - watching England struggle is a rare pleasure! ;-)
>> > >
>> > > But prolonged though this blip is proving to be, I still don't see it as
>> > > more than a blip. Once you wake up and sack Robinson, most of your other
>> > > problems will melt away.
>> >
>> > The worry is that they just finished a comprehensive, top-to-bottom
>> > review of the England coaching structure. And the end result was to
>> > keep Robinson in charge. If coming 4th in consecutive 6Ns doesn't do
>> > it then I reckon we're waiting for a world cup humiliation before we
>> > get a new coach...
>>
>> Come now, admitting defeat already? This far out? Was Robinson given
>> the all clear to lose all the away games before he left the UK? If he
>> was, then youre fucked for RWC. If he was expected to at least make a
>> fist of it there's a slight chance that an uprising from the fans and
>> media could oust him in time
>
> I never thought it would happen, but they've succeeded in making me
> feel sorry for England. I want them to win a test match. Genuinely.
> Okay, in the past, I admit, I paid lip service to wanting see them do
> well against this or that team, largely because it might benefit Wales.
> But now I genuinely want England to get a result. The look on my son's
> face as he sat there in his white and rose coloured rugby shirt, after
> the rogering they got from Australia this week, deprived me of ANY
> pleasure I might have otherwise had. It's not fucking fair.
>
Robinson does not, as I said before, have my confidence. I lay the blame
fully at his doorstep. It is a rarity for an assistant to make the step
up to being the "boss man" - they can never carry the same aura as they
spent the previous years sucking up to the players and rolling their
eyes at their "cocky" superior in order to curry favor with the grass
roots staff. But again for the record:
1) I dont believe in "resting keyplayers"
2) I dont believe in players who express the desire to "rest" rather
than represent their nation/state/ whatever the hell we are now.
3) You dont use turnstyle picking tactics : in then out. For a good
example see the development of the Aussie cricket team - you stick with
class no matter the blips.
4) Never pick anyone with puts "ers" on the end of peoples names.
5) Dont pick "elder statesmen" because of their "experience". We are
talking professional players here. They have experience around them
every time they trot out for their league team.
England didnt just get beatan in the non-boydian sense. They were
reamed. And as I said before, if the second test ends the same then the
young turks in the team will go home humiliated and will be, ultimately,
ridiculed.
At the moment I wouldnt put a tenner at a hundered to one for England to
reach the RWC final, never mind win it.
And young lads like yours will turn back to other lessser sports. Not
that Englands bunch of cocky, over paid , pimped up soccer players are
likely to win anything : they played like shit against some bananna
republic or other on saturday. And Owen tried to claim that
OG. Shameful.
And here's another thing about the youth of today .. blah blah.
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