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| A couple of ideas for the greens [message #1069572] |
Fr, 14 Juli 2006 13:40 |
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Howzabout a greenside bunker which is lipless and level with the green
itself, somewhat like a long jumper's landing area. Would be
interesting to see what the pros will use to get out of this trap
(technically not a bunker as it is not in a depression)
And whta do you guys think of a perfectly flat and level green with no
breaks? Maybe we can finally clearly see the effect and influence of
the grain of the grass. Pros should have no excuses for not holing out
within 10 feet or so right?
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| Re: A couple of ideas for the greens [message #1069579 ] |
Fr, 14 Juli 2006 15:04 |
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Stitzer wrote:
> Howzabout a greenside bunker which is lipless and level with the green
> itself, somewhat like a long jumper's landing area. Would be
> interesting to see what the pros will use to get out of this trap
> (technically not a bunker as it is not in a depression)
>
> And whta do you guys think of a perfectly flat and level green with no
> breaks? Maybe we can finally clearly see the effect and influence of
> the grain of the grass. Pros should have no excuses for not holing out
> within 10 feet or so right?
I think the idea of the last 8 years has been to make the courses
harder, not easier!
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| Re: A couple of ideas for the greens [message #1069648 ] |
Fr, 14 Juli 2006 18:08 |
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Larry Bud wrote:
> I think the idea of the last 8 years has been to make the courses
> harder, not easier!
Agreed! I think all the bunkers should be filled with water - that would
reward accuracy and actually punish bad shots.
Irma
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| Re: A couple of ideas for the greens [message #1069681 ] |
Fr, 14 Juli 2006 19:54 |
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"Irma Troll" <troll [at] troll.com> wrote in message
news:44b7c16a$1_2 [at] x-privat.org...
> Larry Bud wrote:
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>> I think the idea of the last 8 years has been to make the courses
>> harder, not easier!
>
> Agreed! I think all the bunkers should be filled with water - that would
> reward accuracy and actually punish bad shots.
> Irma
I just played a course yesterday and they were working on the greens. They
were putting down sand and rolling them and god only knows what other
process they were using but the greens were darned near impossible to putt
on. That wasn't because of being rough but it was like trying to putt in
soft sand. I just couldn't hit a putt hard enough to get anywhere close to
the holes then to top it off, there would be a part of the green that was as
fast as lightening or as hard as rock and still slow.
The last time I played there, the greens were perfect; nice and fast and
very consistent. I don't know what they were trying to accomplish with this
work.
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| Re: A couple of ideas for the greens [message #1069683 ] |
Fr, 14 Juli 2006 20:09 |
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| Re: A couple of ideas for the greens [message #1069686 ] |
Fr, 14 Juli 2006 20:19 |
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In message <gTQtg.30057$43.4201 [at] nnrp.ca.mci.com!nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Ron P
<spam [at] kwic.com> writes
>"Irma Troll" <troll [at] troll.com> wrote in message
>news:44b7c16a$1_2 [at] x-privat.org...
>> Larry Bud wrote:
>>
>>> I think the idea of the last 8 years has been to make the courses
>>> harder, not easier!
>>
>> Agreed! I think all the bunkers should be filled with water - that
>>would reward accuracy and actually punish bad shots.
>> Irma
>
>I just played a course yesterday and they were working on the greens.
>They were putting down sand and rolling them and god only knows what
>other process they were using but the greens were darned near
>impossible to putt on. That wasn't because of being rough but it was
>like trying to putt in soft sand. I just couldn't hit a putt hard
>enough to get anywhere close to the holes then to top it off, there
>would be a part of the green that was as fast as lightening or as hard
>as rock and still slow.
>
>The last time I played there, the greens were perfect; nice and fast
>and very consistent. I don't know what they were trying to accomplish
>with this work.
To keep them nice and fast and very consistent.
http://www.pbase.com/alancampbell/image/60432241
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alan
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| Re: A couple of ideas for the greens [message #1069813 ] |
Sa, 15 Juli 2006 17:20 |
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"Harrison Bergeron" <not_a_valid [at] address.com> wrote in message
news:barpsg8jbxh.fsf [at] server007.serverquality.com...
> "Ron P" <spam [at] kwic.com> writes:
>
>> "Irma Troll" <troll [at] troll.com> wrote in message
>> news:44b7c16a$1_2 [at] x-privat.org...
>> > Larry Bud wrote:
>> >
>> >> I think the idea of the last 8 years has been to make the courses
>> >> harder, not easier!
>> >
>> > Agreed! I think all the bunkers should be filled with water - that
>> > would reward accuracy and actually punish bad shots.
>> > Irma
>>
>> I just played a course yesterday and they were working on the
>> greens. They were putting down sand and rolling them and god only
>> knows what other process they were using but the greens were darned
>> near impossible to putt on. That wasn't because of being rough but it
>> was like trying to putt in soft sand. I just couldn't hit a putt hard
>> enough to get anywhere close to the holes then to top it off, there
>> would be a part of the green that was as fast as lightening or as hard
>> as rock and still slow.
>>
>> The last time I played there, the greens were perfect; nice and fast
>> and very consistent.
>
>> I don't know what they were trying to accomplish
>> with this work.
>
> What they were trying to do (and apparently succeeding at) is mentioned
> in your previous section. Putting greens require routine maintenance
> including aerifying and top-dressing.
Strictly a guess, I am thinking that they are trying to deal with the clay
soil that is prevalent in this area. Sand is about the only thing that will
break up the clay before it becomes a real problem.
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| Re: A couple of ideas for the greens [message #1069818 ] |
Sa, 15 Juli 2006 17:58 |
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| Re: A couple of ideas for the greens [message #1069830 ] |
Sa, 15 Juli 2006 18:45 |
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Ron P wrote:
> "Harrison Bergeron" <not_a_valid [at] address.com> wrote in message
> news:barpsg8jbxh.fsf [at] server007.serverquality.com...
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>> "Ron P" <spam [at] kwic.com> writes:
>>
>>> "Irma Troll" <troll [at] troll.com> wrote in message
>>> news:44b7c16a$1_2 [at] x-privat.org...
>>> > Larry Bud wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I think the idea of the last 8 years has been to make the courses
>>> >> harder, not easier!
>>> >
>>> > Agreed! I think all the bunkers should be filled with water - that
>>> > would reward accuracy and actually punish bad shots.
>>> > Irma
>>>
>>> I just played a course yesterday and they were working on the
>>> greens. They were putting down sand and rolling them and god only
>>> knows what other process they were using but the greens were darned
>>> near impossible to putt on. That wasn't because of being rough but it
>>> was like trying to putt in soft sand. I just couldn't hit a putt hard
>>> enough to get anywhere close to the holes then to top it off, there
>>> would be a part of the green that was as fast as lightening or as hard
>>> as rock and still slow.
>>>
>>> The last time I played there, the greens were perfect; nice and fast
>>> and very consistent.
>>
>>
>>> I don't know what they were trying to accomplish
>>> with this work.
>>
>>
>> What they were trying to do (and apparently succeeding at) is mentioned
>> in your previous section. Putting greens require routine maintenance
>> including aerifying and top-dressing.
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>
> Strictly a guess, I am thinking that they are trying to deal with the
> clay soil that is prevalent in this area. Sand is about the only thing
> that will break up the clay before it becomes a real problem.
Ron,
The land itself might be clay, but the greens are built using a sand,
soil mix - I'd seriously doubt there was any particle of clay in the
greens at all.
What they are doing is aerating the soil, allowing air and fertilizer to
get to the roots, covering with sand. Give it a week and the greens
will be smooth, providing the greenskeeper knows his job. In the fall
they will do likewise but will probably lightly overseed as well.
Thatch is always a problem, and the aeration and scarifying helps reduce
it, allowing the turf to drain properly and encourage growth.
Alan Campbell know more about this that I do, maybe he can chime in.
David
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| Re: A couple of ideas for the greens [message #1069834 ] |
Sa, 15 Juli 2006 19:17 |
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"Harrison Bergeron" <not_a_valid [at] address.com> wrote in message
news:bar64hy7tc7.fsf [at] server007.serverquality.com...
> "Ron P" <spam [at] kwic.com> writes:
>
>> "Harrison Bergeron" <not_a_valid [at] address.com> wrote in message
>> news:barpsg8jbxh.fsf [at] server007.serverquality.com...
>> > "Ron P" <spam [at] kwic.com> writes:
>> >
>> >> "Irma Troll" <troll [at] troll.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:44b7c16a$1_2 [at] x-privat.org...
>> >> > Larry Bud wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I think the idea of the last 8 years has been to make the courses
>> >> >> harder, not easier!
>> >> >
>> >> > Agreed! I think all the bunkers should be filled with water - that
>> >> > would reward accuracy and actually punish bad shots.
>> >> > Irma
>> >>
>> >> I just played a course yesterday and they were working on the
>> >> greens. They were putting down sand and rolling them and god only
>> >> knows what other process they were using but the greens were darned
>> >> near impossible to putt on. That wasn't because of being rough but it
>> >> was like trying to putt in soft sand. I just couldn't hit a putt hard
>> >> enough to get anywhere close to the holes then to top it off, there
>> >> would be a part of the green that was as fast as lightening or as hard
>> >> as rock and still slow.
>> >>
>> >> The last time I played there, the greens were perfect; nice and fast
>> >> and very consistent.
>> >
>> >> I don't know what they were trying to accomplish
>> >> with this work.
>> >
>> > What they were trying to do (and apparently succeeding at) is mentioned
>> > in your previous section. Putting greens require routine maintenance
>> > including aerifying and top-dressing.
>>
>>
>> Strictly a guess, I am thinking that they are trying to deal with the
>> clay soil that is prevalent in this area. Sand is about the only thing
>> that will break up the clay before it becomes a real problem.
>
> There's really no need to guess:
> http://www.usga.org/turf/articles/educational_video_clips.ht ml
>
> Also, http://gcsaa.org has some educational materials (though
> registration is required for some)
Thanks for the URL. I checked it out and what I encountered was the aeration
of the greens at the point in the process where the sand had been applied
and an implement was being dragged around the green to work the sand into
the green.
This resulted in greens that were impossible to get a feel for and varied
from extremely slow to extremely fast....we just got a laugh out of our
efforts and had a good time anyway.
The day was made better by hitting every fairway from the tee on every hole
except the par 3's on the 9 holes that I played. I can't remember ever doing
that before.
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| Re: A couple of ideas for the greens [message #1069835 ] |
Sa, 15 Juli 2006 19:20 |
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"David Sneddon" <nospam [at] nospam.net> wrote in message
news:4hskdrF14du4U1 [at] individual.net...
> Ron P wrote:
>> "Harrison Bergeron" <not_a_valid [at] address.com> wrote in message
>> news:barpsg8jbxh.fsf [at] server007.serverquality.com...
>>
>>> "Ron P" <spam [at] kwic.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> "Irma Troll" <troll [at] troll.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:44b7c16a$1_2 [at] x-privat.org...
>>>> > Larry Bud wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> I think the idea of the last 8 years has been to make the courses
>>>> >> harder, not easier!
>>>> >
>>>> > Agreed! I think all the bunkers should be filled with water - that
>>>> > would reward accuracy and actually punish bad shots.
>>>> > Irma
>>>>
>>>> I just played a course yesterday and they were working on the
>>>> greens. They were putting down sand and rolling them and god only
>>>> knows what other process they were using but the greens were darned
>>>> near impossible to putt on. That wasn't because of being rough but it
>>>> was like trying to putt in soft sand. I just couldn't hit a putt hard
>>>> enough to get anywhere close to the holes then to top it off, there
>>>> would be a part of the green that was as fast as lightening or as hard
>>>> as rock and still slow.
>>>>
>>>> The last time I played there, the greens were perfect; nice and fast
>>>> and very consistent.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I don't know what they were trying to accomplish
>>>> with this work.
>>>
>>>
>>> What they were trying to do (and apparently succeeding at) is mentioned
>>> in your previous section. Putting greens require routine maintenance
>>> including aerifying and top-dressing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Strictly a guess, I am thinking that they are trying to deal with the
>> clay soil that is prevalent in this area. Sand is about the only thing
>> that will break up the clay before it becomes a real problem.
>
> Ron,
> The land itself might be clay, but the greens are built using a sand, soil
> mix - I'd seriously doubt there was any particle of clay in the greens at
> all.
> What they are doing is aerating the soil, allowing air and fertilizer to
> get to the roots, covering with sand. Give it a week and the greens will
> be smooth, providing the greenskeeper knows his job. In the fall they
> will do likewise but will probably lightly overseed as well. Thatch is
> always a problem, and the aeration and scarifying helps reduce it,
> allowing the turf to drain properly and encourage growth.
>
> Alan Campbell know more about this that I do, maybe he can chime in.
This was only the second time that I had played the course and I have no
doubt that the greens keeper knows what he is doing. His fairways are as
good or better than some of the greens at other courses that I have played.
In a couple of weeks I will go back and I bet that the greens will be like
lightening and very consistent.
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| Re: A couple of ideas for the greens [message #1069837 ] |
Sa, 15 Juli 2006 19:19 |
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excellent idea for a "dream world", but in real life - challenge is the
norm, that is why golf courses are are designed the way they are.
some golf courses have the features you mentioned in their practice
area.
>mho
>v fe
>no free rides, just deferred payments....
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| Re: A couple of ideas for the greens [message #1069838 ] |
Sa, 15 Juli 2006 19:29 |
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Ron P wrote:
> "David Sneddon" <nospam [at] nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:4hskdrF14du4U1 [at] individual.net...
> > Ron P wrote:
> >> "Harrison Bergeron" <not_a_valid [at] address.com> wrote in message
> >> news:barpsg8jbxh.fsf [at] server007.serverquality.com...
> >>
> >>> "Ron P" <spam [at] kwic.com> writes:
> >>>
> >>>> "Irma Troll" <troll [at] troll.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:44b7c16a$1_2 [at] x-privat.org...
> >>>> > Larry Bud wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> I think the idea of the last 8 years has been to make the courses
> >>>> >> harder, not easier!
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Agreed! I think all the bunkers should be filled with water - that
> >>>> > would reward accuracy and actually punish bad shots.
> >>>> > Irma
> >>>>
> >>>> I just played a course yesterday and they were working on the
> >>>> greens. They were putting down sand and rolling them and god only
> >>>> knows what other process they were using but the greens were darned
> >>>> near impossible to putt on. That wasn't because of being rough but it
> >>>> was like trying to putt in soft sand. I just couldn't hit a putt hard
> >>>> enough to get anywhere close to the holes then to top it off, there
> >>>> would be a part of the green that was as fast as lightening or as hard
> >>>> as rock and still slow.
> >>>>
> >>>> The last time I played there, the greens were perfect; nice and fast
> >>>> and very consistent.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I don't know what they were trying to accomplish
> >>>> with this work.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> What they were trying to do (and apparently succeeding at) is mentioned
> >>> in your previous section. Putting greens require routine maintenance
> >>> including aerifying and top-dressing.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Strictly a guess, I am thinking that they are trying to deal with the
> >> clay soil that is prevalent in this area. Sand is about the only thing
> >> that will break up the clay before it becomes a real problem.
> >
> > Ron,
> > The land itself might be clay, but the greens are built using a sand, soil
> > mix - I'd seriously doubt there was any particle of clay in the greens at
> > all.
> > What they are doing is aerating the soil, allowing air and fertilizer to
> > get to the roots, covering with sand. Give it a week and the greens will
> > be smooth, providing the greenskeeper knows his job. In the fall they
> > will do likewise but will probably lightly overseed as well. Thatch is
> > always a problem, and the aeration and scarifying helps reduce it,
> > allowing the turf to drain properly and encourage growth.
> >
> > Alan Campbell know more about this that I do, maybe he can chime in.
>
> This was only the second time that I had played the course and I have no
> doubt that the greens keeper knows what he is doing. His fairways are as
> good or better than some of the greens at other courses that I have played.
>
> In a couple of weeks I will go back and I bet that the greens will be like
> lightening and very consistent.
Just about every golf course does this. If you haven't encountered
this
before, you either haven't played very long, or have been very
fortunate in your timing.
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| Re: A couple of ideas for the greens [message #1069839 ] |
Sa, 15 Juli 2006 19:21 |
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European "bunkers" add beauty to the landscape, and present a real
challenge for the errant.
>mho
>v fe
>no free rides, just deferred payments....
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| Re: A couple of ideas for the greens [message #1069840 ] |
Sa, 15 Juli 2006 19:27 |
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>they were working on the greens.
on-going course maintenance can be expected where courses are strapped
for cash. so it was just your time in the barrel.:--)
>mho
>v fe
>no free rides, just deferred payments....
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| Re: A couple of ideas for the greens [message #1069842 ] |
Sa, 15 Juli 2006 19:44 |
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Stitzer wrote:
> Howzabout a greenside bunker which is lipless and level with the green
> itself, somewhat like a long jumper's landing area. Would be
> interesting to see what the pros will use to get out of this trap
> (technically not a bunker as it is not in a depression)
You might have trouble keeping the sand from blowing away.
I think you'd end up with a lip pretty quickly, anyway.
>
> And whta do you guys think of a perfectly flat and level green with no
> breaks? Maybe we can finally clearly see the effect and influence of
> the grain of the grass. Pros should have no excuses for not holing out
> within 10 feet or so right?
All greens have to have some slope for drainage, otherwise the grass
will die.
I've played on courses with pretty flat greens, and shallow bunkers,
but they were all pretty dull muni courses.
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| Re: A couple of ideas for the greens [message #1069907 ] |
So, 16 Juli 2006 00:26 |
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fiveiron [at] webtv.net wrote:
>>they were working on the greens.
>
>
> on-going course maintenance can be expected where courses are strapped
> for cash. so it was just your time in the barrel.:--)
>
>
>>mho
>>v fe
You really *are* a freakin' idiot.
When courses are strapped for cash, maintenance goes down not up.
David
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| Re: A couple of ideas for the greens [message #1069930 ] |
So, 16 Juli 2006 02:46 |
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On 15 Jul 2006 10:44:57 -0700, "Birdie Bill"
<bighorn_bill [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Stitzer wrote:
>> Howzabout a greenside bunker which is lipless and level with the green
>> itself, somewhat like a long jumper's landing area. Would be
>> interesting to see what the pros will use to get out of this trap
>> (technically not a bunker as it is not in a depression)
>
>You might have trouble keeping the sand from blowing away.
>I think you'd end up with a lip pretty quickly, anyway.
>
>>
>> And whta do you guys think of a perfectly flat and level green with no
>> breaks? Maybe we can finally clearly see the effect and influence of
>> the grain of the grass. Pros should have no excuses for not holing out
>> within 10 feet or so right?
>
>All greens have to have some slope for drainage, otherwise the grass
>will die.
>
>I've played on courses with pretty flat greens, and shallow bunkers,
>but they were all pretty dull muni courses.
I'm not saying let's have the whole golf course that way, just one or
two "fun' holes, akin to the much-liked driveable par 4s.
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| Re: A couple of ideas for the greens [message #1069931 ] |
So, 16 Juli 2006 02:49 |
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On 14 Jul 2006 06:04:48 -0700, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002 [at] yahoo.com>
wrote:
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>I think the idea of the last 8 years has been to make the courses
>harder, not easier!
There're dozens of ways to make the golf course tougher, maybe even
infinitely tougher (table sized grees with 12 inch rough all round
ferinstance). I'm just suggesting one or two (max) 'fun' holes
somewhat like a 300 yard par 4.
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| Re: A couple of ideas for the greens [message #1069984 ] |
So, 16 Juli 2006 08:35 |
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"Stitzer" <stitzer [at] tm.net.my> wrote in message
news:n70fb2d62oh76ap3ttel3okpu92omctbv2 [at] 4ax.com...
> Howzabout a greenside bunker which is lipless and level with the green
> itself, somewhat like a long jumper's landing area. Would be
> interesting to see what the pros will use to get out of this trap
> (technically not a bunker as it is not in a depression)
>
> And whta do you guys think of a perfectly flat and level green with no
> breaks? Maybe we can finally clearly see the effect and influence of
> the grain of the grass. Pros should have no excuses for not holing out
> within 10 feet or so right?
The bunker behind the 18th green at the TPC-Sugarloaf, home of the BellSouth
Classic, doesn't have a lip. Several players have putted their way out of
it with water lurking on the other side of the green.
I seem to recall there's a bunker behind one of the par three greens at
Colonial like that, too. (13th?, I forget which hole it is).
As for flat greens, most pros will tell you that the greens with the subtle
breaks are the ones that are hardest to putt, because the breaks are
sometimes hard to figure out.
Randy
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| Re: A couple of ideas for the greens [message #1069986 ] |
So, 16 Juli 2006 09:03 |
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"\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness [at] all.com> wrote:
: I seem to recall there's a bunker behind one of the par three greens at
: Colonial like that, too. (13th?, I forget which hole it is).
That's correct.
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Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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| Re: A couple of ideas for the greens [message #1069991 ] |
So, 16 Juli 2006 15:13 |
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Stitzer wrote:
> Howzabout a greenside bunker which is lipless and level with the green
> itself, somewhat like a long jumper's landing area. Would be
> interesting to see what the pros will use to get out of this trap
> (technically not a bunker as it is not in a depression)
>
> And whta do you guys think of a perfectly flat and level green with no
> breaks? Maybe we can finally clearly see the effect and influence of
> the grain of the grass. Pros should have no excuses for not holing out
> within 10 feet or so right?
If you had a perfectly flat green it would not drain well, and any
deluge would probably render it unplayable for a period of time.
Further, greens that do not drain well are candidates for disease.
That's why it's often useful, if you're having trouble figuring out the
break on a green, to look at the way the surrounding terrain drains.
You never see greens that tilt back into a hillside, because the water
would collect there.
Course designers will sometimes try to fool you on that. We have one
green where the terrain, when viewed from the fairway, slopes left to
right (meaning the surrounding terrain slopes left to right).
The designer put some berms next to the green on the left side, which
give the impression of the green breaking *left* not right. You'd swear
the green is tilting left. But it doesn't--it breaks right, following
the general terrain.
Mike
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| Re: A couple of ideas for the greens [message #1069996 ] |
So, 16 Juli 2006 15:59 |
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"Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1152984574.318150.138120 [at] b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Ron P wrote:
>> "David Sneddon" <nospam [at] nospam.net> wrote in message
>> news:4hskdrF14du4U1 [at] individual.net...
>> > Ron P wrote:
>> >> "Harrison Bergeron" <not_a_valid [at] address.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:barpsg8jbxh.fsf [at] server007.serverquality.com...
>> >>
>> >>> "Ron P" <spam [at] kwic.com> writes:
>> >>>
>> >>>> "Irma Troll" <troll [at] troll.com> wrote in message
>> >>>> news:44b7c16a$1_2 [at] x-privat.org...
>> >>>> > Larry Bud wrote:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> I think the idea of the last 8 years has been to make the courses
>> >>>> >> harder, not easier!
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Agreed! I think all the bunkers should be filled with water - that
>> >>>> > would reward accuracy and actually punish bad shots.
>> >>>> > Irma
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I just played a course yesterday and they were working on the
>> >>>> greens. They were putting down sand and rolling them and god only
>> >>>> knows what other process they were using but the greens were darned
>> >>>> near impossible to putt on. That wasn't because of being rough but
>> >>>> it
>> >>>> was like trying to putt in soft sand. I just couldn't hit a putt
>> >>>> hard
>> >>>> enough to get anywhere close to the holes then to top it off, there
>> >>>> would be a part of the green that was as fast as lightening or as
>> >>>> hard
>> >>>> as rock and still slow.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The last time I played there, the greens were perfect; nice and fast
>> >>>> and very consistent.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> I don't know what they were trying to accomplish
>> >>>> with this work.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> What they were trying to do (and apparently succeeding at) is
>> >>> mentioned
>> >>> in your previous section. Putting greens require routine maintenance
>> >>> including aerifying and top-dressing.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Strictly a guess, I am thinking that they are trying to deal with the
>> >> clay soil that is prevalent in this area. Sand is about the only thing
>> >> that will break up the clay before it becomes a real problem.
>> >
>> > Ron,
>> > The land itself might be clay, but the greens are built using a sand,
>> > soil
>> > mix - I'd seriously doubt there was any particle of clay in the greens
>> > at
>> > all.
>> > What they are doing is aerating the soil, allowing air and fertilizer
>> > to
>> > get to the roots, covering with sand. Give it a week and the greens
>> > will
>> > be smooth, providing the greenskeeper knows his job. In the fall they
>> > will do likewise but will probably lightly overseed as well. Thatch is
>> > always a problem, and the aeration and scarifying helps reduce it,
>> > allowing the turf to drain properly and encourage growth.
>> >
>> > Alan Campbell know more about this that I do, maybe he can chime in.
>>
>> This was only the second time that I had played the course and I have no
>> doubt that the greens keeper knows what he is doing. His fairways are as
>> good or better than some of the greens at other courses that I have
>> played.
>>
>> In a couple of weeks I will go back and I bet that the greens will be
>> like
>> lightening and very consistent.
>
> Just about every golf course does this. If you haven't encountered
> this
> before, you either haven't played very long, or have been very
> fortunate in your timing.
I must have been very fortunate in my timing. I have encountered one green
being worked on during a round but never all of them at the same time.
There is a first time for everything.
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