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| Golf in the UK [message #1069317] |
Do, 13 Juli 2006 17:46 |
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I was watching the '95 highlights of Daly's win at The Open, and they
showed a long distance view of St. Andrews... are ALL courses in the UK
links style? Here in the US we have a mix of courses. I have a
couple links style by me, and one that's kind of a hybrid: Lots of
heather and deep bunkers, but cut through the woods to boot (it's a
hellish of a tough course!).
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| Re: Golf in the UK [message #1069320 ] |
Do, 13 Juli 2006 17:56 |
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"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1152805586.187732.88680 [at] m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>I was watching the '95 highlights of Daly's win at The Open, and they
> showed a long distance view of St. Andrews... are ALL courses in the UK
> links style? Here in the US we have a mix of courses. I have a
> couple links style by me, and one that's kind of a hybrid: Lots of
> heather and deep bunkers, but cut through the woods to boot (it's a
> hellish of a tough course!).
>
I saw from your tourney post that you are is SE mich. To what courses are
you referring?
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| Re: Golf in the UK [message #1069324 ] |
Do, 13 Juli 2006 18:04 |
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Larry Bud wrote:
> I was watching the '95 highlights of Daly's win at The Open, and they
> showed a long distance view of St. Andrews... are ALL courses in the UK
> links style? Here in the US we have a mix of courses. I have a
> couple links style by me, and one that's kind of a hybrid: Lots of
> heather and deep bunkers, but cut through the woods to boot (it's a
> hellish of a tough course!).
I don't know if anyone has the figures on this, but I'd bet it's only
quite a small percentage of courses would be considered to be links.
I'd guess at 10% max. Don't forget that a links course is defined by
the land/location. It has to be in that sandy soil on scrubby land next
to the sea. You can't have an inland links course!
The peculiar layouts of links courses - long thin courses, normally 9
holes out, then 9 back, are forced by circumstances where courses had
to be squeezed into a very narrow strip of land that was useless for
anything else. At our course there is a stretch near the clubhouse
where the distance across the adjacent 18th, 11th, 1st & 10th holes is
only about 100 yards. The deep bunkers are designed to stop the sand
being blown out by the strong prevailing sea 'breezes'.
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| Re: Golf in the UK [message #1069410 ] |
Do, 13 Juli 2006 21:46 |
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Larry Bud wrote:
> I was watching the '95 highlights of Daly's win at The Open, and they
> showed a long distance view of St. Andrews... are ALL courses in the UK
> links style? Here in the US we have a mix of courses. I have a
> couple links style by me, and one that's kind of a hybrid: Lots of
> heather and deep bunkers, but cut through the woods to boot (it's a
> hellish of a tough course!).
>
The courses you will see on the Open Championship rota are all links
courses, but as Simon has already pointed out, they are probably 10% or
less of total golf courses in the UK.
There are many excellent parkland and heathland courses that will give
you a similar test as to what you are used to.
Thing is, when we venture over there is is usually to play links
courses, something we rarely experience in North America unless you go
to Bandon Dunes or are a member at Shinnecock/NGLA etc. Unfortunately TV
doesn't usually do these courses justice to the American eye. We are
used to seeing trees, lush, over manicured fairways and rough, with some
elevation changes. The flatter, firmer and faster links courses, devoid
of trees and elevation will not show as well on TV until we get HD3DTV. ;-)
David
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| Re: Golf in the UK [message #1069415 ] |
Do, 13 Juli 2006 21:58 |
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:46:33 -0400, David Sneddon <nospam [at] nospam.net>
wrote:
>There are many excellent parkland and heathland courses that will give
>you a similar test as to what you are used to.
What's the definition of a "parkland course"?
I very much enjoyed the one heathland course that I've played in
Colorado, but don't know how typical it is.
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| Re: Golf in the UK [message #1069431 ] |
Do, 13 Juli 2006 22:39 |
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"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1152805586.187732.88680 [at] m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>I was watching the '95 highlights of Daly's win at The Open, and they
> showed a long distance view of St. Andrews... are ALL courses in the UK
> links style?
>
Definitely not!!! Most of the courses are inland, and can best be described
as heathland (less manicured, 'the land as you find it') and parkland (the
manicured 'Augusta' type) where lakes will be dug, streams created and woods
planted.
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| Re: Golf in the UK [message #1069438 ] |
Do, 13 Juli 2006 22:53 |
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"Howard Brazee" <howard [at] brazee.net> wrote in message
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> What's the definition of a "parkland course"?
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A course laid out in ornamental parkland, usually
surrounding a large country house which may serve
as the clubhouse, and where the turf has lain
undisturbed for centuries. Loch Lomond is a
good example.
The best golf courses in the UK are normally found
in locations where the land is not suitable for farming,
links and fast draining heathland courses, and also
parkland which could have been put under the plough,
but which, for a variety of reasons, has not.
Recently many farmers have converted their land into
golf courses, the vast majority of which are not worth
playing, particularly in wet conditions.
Alan
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| Re: Golf in the UK [message #1069440 ] |
Do, 13 Juli 2006 22:55 |
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"Stratman" <nospam [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1152805586.187732.88680 [at] m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>I was watching the '95 highlights of Daly's win at The Open, and they
>> showed a long distance view of St. Andrews... are ALL courses in the UK
>> links style?
>>
The two courses at Glen Eagles are world renowned, but won't be played as
Open courses, as they are inland and not links courses. They actually mow
the courses there. I played St. Andrews years ago when they were in the
midst of a drought. There was no rough to mow . The fairways were as hard
as a fairway in Ohio in August.
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| Re: Golf in the UK [message #1069490 ] |
Fr, 14 Juli 2006 02:23 |
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Larry Bud wrote:
> I was watching the '95 highlights of Daly's win at The Open, and they
> showed a long distance view of St. Andrews... are ALL courses in the UK
> links style?
St. Andrews isn't 'links style'...it is a geniune 'links' course, as are
most, if not all the courses that host the 'Open'. ...and as Feherty is
reputed to have said to John Daly during the 'Open' at St. Andrews
"Isn't doesn't matter of your ball leaves this course during the
round....there are five more just like it within a few hundred yards
that you can use". We have several 'links style' courses here in
Oz......but I can only think of two or three genuine 'links' courses.
The most we get to see of US courses is via telecasts of US PGA tour
events and the US Open. US courses are commonly referred to as 'stadium'
type courses!
cheers
david
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| Re: Golf in the UK [message #1069514 ] |
Fr, 14 Juli 2006 04:01 |
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Frank Ketchum wrote:
> "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1152805586.187732.88680 [at] m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >I was watching the '95 highlights of Daly's win at The Open, and they
> > showed a long distance view of St. Andrews... are ALL courses in the UK
> > links style? Here in the US we have a mix of courses. I have a
> > couple links style by me, and one that's kind of a hybrid: Lots of
> > heather and deep bunkers, but cut through the woods to boot (it's a
> > hellish of a tough course!).
> >
>
> I saw from your tourney post that you are is SE mich. To what courses are
> you referring?
Have you ever played WestWynd? It's in Oakland Township. I live right
across the street from it. It's 72.3/137 from the blues (maybe 6400
yards) and I think it plays harder than the ratings.
As far as Links style, how about Twin Lakes and Blackheath?
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| Re: Golf in the UK [message #1069515 ] |
Fr, 14 Juli 2006 04:02 |
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Simon wrote:
> Larry Bud wrote:
>
> > I was watching the '95 highlights of Daly's win at The Open, and they
> > showed a long distance view of St. Andrews... are ALL courses in the UK
> > links style? Here in the US we have a mix of courses. I have a
> > couple links style by me, and one that's kind of a hybrid: Lots of
> > heather and deep bunkers, but cut through the woods to boot (it's a
> > hellish of a tough course!).
>
> I don't know if anyone has the figures on this, but I'd bet it's only
> quite a small percentage of courses would be considered to be links.
> I'd guess at 10% max. Don't forget that a links course is defined by
> the land/location. It has to be in that sandy soil on scrubby land next
> to the sea. You can't have an inland links course!
I did not know that. I guess that's why the courses I'm thinking of
are "links style". They are everything but next to the sea.
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| Re: Golf in the UK [message #1069548 ] |
Fr, 14 Juli 2006 05:29 |
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On 13-Jul-2006, "Alan Murphy" <afmccl [at] btinternet.com> wrote:
> A course laid out in ornamental parkland, usually
> surrounding a large country house which may serve
> as the clubhouse, and where the turf has lain
> undisturbed for centuries. Loch Lomond is a
> good example.
would our "real estate" courses qualify? :-)
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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| Re: Golf in the UK [message #1069630 ] |
Fr, 14 Juli 2006 16:59 |
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david s-a wrote:
> Larry Bud wrote:
> > I was watching the '95 highlights of Daly's win at The Open, and they
> > showed a long distance view of St. Andrews... are ALL courses in the UK
> > links style?
>
> St. Andrews isn't 'links style'...it is a geniune 'links' course, as are
> most, if not all the courses that host the 'Open'. ...and as Feherty is
> reputed to have said to John Daly during the 'Open' at St. Andrews
> "Isn't doesn't matter of your ball leaves this course during the
> round....there are five more just like it within a few hundred yards
> that you can use". We have several 'links style' courses here in
> Oz......but I can only think of two or three genuine 'links' courses.
>
> The most we get to see of US courses is via telecasts of US PGA tour
> events and the US Open. US courses are commonly referred to as 'stadium'
> type courses!
>
> cheers
> david
Another thing about links courses is that very little, if any, earth is
moved to create the course. They just look like the rest of the land
nearby. Here's a link to some pics and info about my favourite course,
Pennard. It's a couple of miles from where I grew up...
http://www.top100golfcourses.co.uk/htmlsite/productdetails.a sp?id=247#
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| Re: Golf in the UK [message #1069927 ] |
So, 16 Juli 2006 02:33 |
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On 2006-07-13 20:23:12 -0400, david s-a <dsantwyk [at] bigpond.net.au> said:
> Larry Bud wrote:
>> I was watching the '95 highlights of Daly's win at The Open, and they
>> showed a long distance view of St. Andrews... are ALL courses in the UK
>> links style?
>
> St. Andrews isn't 'links style'...it is a geniune 'links' course, as
> are most, if not all the courses that host the 'Open'. ...and as
> Feherty is reputed to have said to John Daly during the 'Open' at St.
> Andrews "Isn't doesn't matter of your ball leaves this course during
> the round....there are five more just like it within a few hundred
> yards that you can use". We have several 'links style' courses here in
> Oz......but I can only think of two or three genuine 'links' courses.
>
> The most we get to see of US courses is via telecasts of US PGA tour
> events and the US Open. US courses are commonly referred to as
> 'stadium' type courses!
>
> cheers
> david
Actually, though many of the courses currently in use as PGA Tour
tournament sites are Stadium Courses, the *first* Stadium Course was
the TPC at Sawgrass where The Players Championship is held, built in
1980. There are actually very few of these type of courses in the
U.S., most of them built by the PGA Tour, or designed by Pete Dye.
The vast majority of courses in the U.S. are Parkland courses. There
are a number of courses that are Links Style, meaning they have mounds,
long unmown rough in places, and relatively few trees, but not the
sandy soil nor proximity to the ocean of a true links course. To
someone who grew up playing real links courses they wouldn't understand
how anyone could say that these Links Style courses in the U.S. bore
any resemblance to a real links course at all.
I still want to get David Sneddon over to Arcadia Bluffs, on the east
shore of Lake Michigan, and see if he would agree that it's a true
links course or not. As far as I can see it fits all the criteria
except it has proximity to fresh water instead of salt water.
gary hayenga
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| Re: Golf in the UK [message #1069934 ] |
So, 16 Juli 2006 03:27 |
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On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:33:07 -0400, gary hayenga <vandg [at] speakeasy.org>
wrote:
>Actually, though many of the courses currently in use as PGA Tour
>tournament sites are Stadium Courses, the *first* Stadium Course was
>the TPC at Sawgrass where The Players Championship is held, built in
>1980. There are actually very few of these type of courses in the
>U.S., most of them built by the PGA Tour, or designed by Pete Dye.
How would I recognize a course as being Stadium?
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| Re: Golf in the UK [message #1069945 ] |
So, 16 Juli 2006 04:27 |
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On 15-Jul-2006, Howard Brazee <howard [at] brazee.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:33:07 -0400, gary hayenga <vandg [at] speakeasy.org>
> wrote:
>
> >Actually, though many of the courses currently in use as PGA Tour
> >tournament sites are Stadium Courses, the *first* Stadium Course was
> >the TPC at Sawgrass where The Players Championship is held, built in
> >1980. There are actually very few of these type of courses in the
> >U.S., most of them built by the PGA Tour, or designed by Pete Dye.
>
> How would I recognize a course as being Stadium?
TPC in the name?
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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| Re: Golf in the UK [message #1069957 ] |
So, 16 Juli 2006 04:52 |
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>are all courses in the u k link-style?
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only those whose geography is next to the sea / river. to get a net
figure for link course in the uk - a gross figure for all the golf
courses in the u k, is needed,
then a figure for those that don't qualify as "link" courses. subtract
the latter from the former and your question will be answered by the
difference in the two figures.
>mho
>v fe
>no free rides, just deferred payments....
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| Re: Golf in the UK [message #1069961 ] |
So, 16 Juli 2006 05:03 |
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>What's the definition of a "parkland >course"?
any course that is not a "link course".
>mho
>v fe
>no free rides, just deferred payments....
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| Re: Golf in the UK [message #1069974 ] |
So, 16 Juli 2006 07:25 |
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"bill-o" <assimilate [at] borg.org> wrote in message
news:44b9a42c$0$22545$882e0bbb [at] news.ThunderNews.com...
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> On 15-Jul-2006, Howard Brazee <howard [at] brazee.net> wrote:
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>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:33:07 -0400, gary hayenga <vandg [at] speakeasy.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Actually, though many of the courses currently in use as PGA Tour
>> >tournament sites are Stadium Courses, the *first* Stadium Course was
>> >the TPC at Sawgrass where The Players Championship is held, built in
>> >1980. There are actually very few of these type of courses in the
>> >U.S., most of them built by the PGA Tour, or designed by Pete Dye.
>>
>> How would I recognize a course as being Stadium?
I don't think so. PGA West Stadium course, designed by Dye, does not have
TPC in its name. Played it about 3 weeks ago for the first (and maybe last)
time. In all honesty it is too much course for my game - even from the
whites.
Rich
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| Re: Golf in the UK [message #1069980 ] |
So, 16 Juli 2006 08:24 |
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:33:07 -0400, gary hayenga <vandg [at] speakeasy.org>
> wrote:
>
> >Actually, though many of the courses currently in use as PGA Tour
> >tournament sites are Stadium Courses, the *first* Stadium Course was
> >the TPC at Sawgrass where The Players Championship is held, built in
> >1980. There are actually very few of these type of courses in the
> >U.S., most of them built by the PGA Tour, or designed by Pete Dye.
>
> How would I recognize a course as being Stadium?
I'd always assumed a 'stadium' course is one which has been landscaped
to provide viewing areas for the spectators
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