| Ball embedded in hazard [message #1068064] |
So, 11 Juni 2006 21:16 |
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I hit a crappy tee shot, just clearing the water hazard ahead of the tee
box. The ball imbedded in the far bank, almost vertical. The guys in my
group said my only option was to either hit the ball, or go back to where
the ball crossed the hazard boundary. This would mean going back to almost
where I teed off. Isn't there something about taking an uplayable in a
hazard? There was probably 15 feet from where my ball was to the red line
marking the hazard boundary, plenty of room to take a drop (the water as
low). Or can you drop from the closest relief from where the ball actually
lies?
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| Re: Ball embedded in hazard [message #1068065 ] |
So, 11 Juni 2006 21:18 |
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"Steve Gavette" <sgavette [at] no.cox.spam.net.4me> wrote in message
news:j_Zig.13823$Jk2.5088 [at] fed1read03...
> I hit a crappy tee shot, just clearing the water hazard ahead of the tee
> box. The ball imbedded in the far bank, almost vertical. The guys in my
> group said my only option was to either hit the ball, or go back to where
> the ball crossed the hazard boundary. This would mean going back to almost
> where I teed off. Isn't there something about taking an uplayable in a
> hazard? There was probably 15 feet from where my ball was to the red line
> marking the hazard boundary, plenty of room to take a drop (the water as
> low). Or can you drop from the closest relief from where the ball actually
> lies?
Let me clarify - I cleared the water, NOT the hazrd. My ball was within the
hazard boundary.
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| Re: Ball embedded in hazard [message #1068066 ] |
So, 11 Juni 2006 22:12 |
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On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:16:30 -0700, "Steve Gavette"
<sgavette [at] no.cox.spam.net.4me> wrote:
>I hit a crappy tee shot, just clearing the water hazard ahead of the tee
>box. The ball imbedded in the far bank, almost vertical. The guys in my
>group said my only option was to either hit the ball, or go back to where
>the ball crossed the hazard boundary. This would mean going back to almost
>where I teed off. Isn't there something about taking an uplayable in a
>hazard? There was probably 15 feet from where my ball was to the red line
>marking the hazard boundary, plenty of room to take a drop (the water as
>low). Or can you drop from the closest relief from where the ball actually
>lies?
A couple more options: Stroke and distance. Move away from the pin
towards the other side of the water hazard as far as you wish.
But I think you're asking if you can declare a ball unplayable in a
water hazard.
Rule 28. Ball Unplayable
The player may deem his ball unplayable at any place on the course
except when the ball is in a water hazard. The player is the sole
judge as to whether his ball is unplayable.
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| Re: Ball embedded in hazard [message #1068069 ] |
So, 11 Juni 2006 22:40 |
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In message <u2uo825lg1i8e6i0ge11tmta392v4t0nbl [at] 4ax.com>, Howard Brazee
<howard [at] brazee.net> writes
>On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:16:30 -0700, "Steve Gavette"
><sgavette [at] no.cox.spam.net.4me> wrote:
>
>>I hit a crappy tee shot, just clearing the water hazard ahead of the tee
>>box. The ball imbedded in the far bank, almost vertical. The guys in my
>>group said my only option was to either hit the ball, or go back to where
>>the ball crossed the hazard boundary. This would mean going back to almost
>>where I teed off. Isn't there something about taking an uplayable in a
>>hazard? There was probably 15 feet from where my ball was to the red line
>>marking the hazard boundary, plenty of room to take a drop (the water as
>>low). Or can you drop from the closest relief from where the ball actually
>>lies?
>
>A couple more options: Stroke and distance. Move away from the pin
>towards the other side of the water hazard as far as you wish.
It is a water hazard, not a lateral. The point where the ball last
crossed the margin must be kept between the drop and the pin.
>
>But I think you're asking if you can declare a ball unplayable in a
>water hazard.
>
>Rule 28. Ball Unplayable
>
>The player may deem his ball unplayable at any place on the course
>except when the ball is in a water hazard. The player is the sole
>judge as to whether his ball is unplayable.
--
alan
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| Re: Ball embedded in hazard [message #1068071 ] |
So, 11 Juni 2006 23:05 |
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Steve Gavette wrote:
> I hit a crappy tee shot, just clearing the water hazard ahead of the tee
> box. The ball imbedded in the far bank, almost vertical. The guys in my
> group said my only option was to either hit the ball, or go back to where
> the ball crossed the hazard boundary. This would mean going back to almost
> where I teed off. Isn't there something about taking an uplayable in a
> hazard? There was probably 15 feet from where my ball was to the red line
> marking the hazard boundary, plenty of room to take a drop (the water as
> low). Or can you drop from the closest relief from where the ball actually
> lies?
As others have mentioned, you can't take an unplayable from a hazard.
You go back to where the ball crossed the hazard boundary (going as far
back as you want, keeping that point between you and the hole) or rehit
the original shot, or try to play it from the embedded lie.
Moral of the story: Don't hit it there!
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| Re: Ball embedded in hazard [message #1068077 ] |
So, 11 Juni 2006 23:43 |
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On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:40:56 +0100, greenkeeper
<greenkeeper [at] xxxalancampbell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>A couple more options: Stroke and distance. Move away from the pin
>>towards the other side of the water hazard as far as you wish.
>
> It is a water hazard, not a lateral. The point where the ball last
>crossed the margin must be kept between the drop and the pin.
I understood that the water hazard was on the far side of the pin. I
didn't make it clear that, as with all water hazards (lateral or not),
the final location of the ball is irrelevant. The only points that
matter for drops are where the ball last entered the water hazard, and
(for the option above), the location of the pin.
The special "other side" of lateral hazards rule doesn't apply - but
the option to move away from the pin does. 26-1(b)
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| Re: Ball embedded in hazard [message #1068078 ] |
So, 11 Juni 2006 23:44 |
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On 11 Jun 2006 14:05:50 -0700, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002 [at] yahoo.com>
wrote:
>As others have mentioned, you can't take an unplayable from a hazard.
It's probably best to clarify by saying "Water hazard".
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| Re: Ball embedded in hazard [message #1068137 ] |
Mo, 12 Juni 2006 04:39 |
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"Howard Brazee" <howard [at] brazee.net> wrote in message
news:8l3p8292i5snujb5hqtjdr5rufcueavj6p [at] 4ax.com...
> On 11 Jun 2006 14:05:50 -0700, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002 [at] yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> >As others have mentioned, you can't take an unplayable from a hazard.
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> It's probably best to clarify by saying "Water hazard".
Thanks all. That's where I went wrong. I know you can take an unplayable in
a bunker (or other hazard), I thought it applied to water hazards as well.
Thanks for the clarification.
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| Re: Ball embedded in hazard [message #1068168 ] |
Mo, 12 Juni 2006 08:06 |
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On 11 Jun 2006 14:05:50 -0700, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002 [at] yahoo.com>
wrote:
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>Steve Gavette wrote:
>> I hit a crappy tee shot, just clearing the water hazard ahead of the tee
>> box. The ball imbedded in the far bank, almost vertical. The guys in my
>> group said my only option was to either hit the ball, or go back to where
>> the ball crossed the hazard boundary. This would mean going back to almost
>> where I teed off. Isn't there something about taking an uplayable in a
>> hazard? There was probably 15 feet from where my ball was to the red line
>> marking the hazard boundary, plenty of room to take a drop (the water as
>> low). Or can you drop from the closest relief from where the ball actually
>> lies?
>
>As others have mentioned, you can't take an unplayable from a hazard.
>You go back to where the ball crossed the hazard boundary (going as far
>back as you want, keeping that point between you and the hole) or rehit
>the original shot, or try to play it from the embedded lie.
There are two types of markings for water hazards. One is lateral
water. The drop is different. In this particular case, it is
probably safe to assume that it was not a lateral water hazard.
David
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| Re: Ball embedded in hazard [message #1068393 ] |
Mo, 12 Juni 2006 22:25 |
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