| Bunker Wisdom [message #1066324] |
So, 04 Juni 2006 03:04 |
|
Was doing a little work in the practice bunker today when a couple guys
walked in. One of the guys intended to help the other with his bunker play.
As they were entering the bunker I heard the following.
"Teacher Guy": Bunker shots are easy - there isn't any shot in golf more
forgiving than a bunker shot.
Student: I've noticed that myself. It doesn't matter how I swing at the
ball, I get the same shitty result every time.
I left shortly there-after so don't know how the lesson went.
dave
|
|
|
| Re: Bunker Wisdom [message #1066348 ] |
So, 04 Juni 2006 03:55 |
|
Dave Lee wrote:
> Was doing a little work in the practice bunker today when a couple guys
> walked in. One of the guys intended to help the other with his bunker play.
> As they were entering the bunker I heard the following.
>
> "Teacher Guy": Bunker shots are easy - there isn't any shot in golf more
> forgiving than a bunker shot.
>
> Student: I've noticed that myself. It doesn't matter how I swing at the
> ball, I get the same shitty result every time.
>
> I left shortly there-after so don't know how the lesson went.
>
> dave
>
>
IMO, 90+% of shots that don't get out of a bunker are due to
deacceleration of the clubhead. Having the confidence to accelerate
through the ball takes practice and 90+% of the people who play golf
never practice bunker shots. Hence, the same shitty result every time :)
Dave
|
|
|
| Re: Bunker Wisdom [message #1066352 ] |
So, 04 Juni 2006 04:30 |
|
long&left wrote:
> Dave Lee wrote:
>
>> Was doing a little work in the practice bunker today when a couple guys
>> walked in. One of the guys intended to help the other with his bunker
>> play.
>> As they were entering the bunker I heard the following.
>>
>> "Teacher Guy": Bunker shots are easy - there isn't any shot in golf more
>> forgiving than a bunker shot.
>>
>> Student: I've noticed that myself. It doesn't matter how I swing at the
>> ball, I get the same shitty result every time.
>>
>> I left shortly there-after so don't know how the lesson went.
>>
>> dave
>>
>>
>
> IMO, 90+% of shots that don't get out of a bunker are due to
> deacceleration of the clubhead. Having the confidence to accelerate
> through the ball takes practice and 90+% of the people who play golf
> never practice bunker shots. Hence, the same shitty result every time :)
> Dave
From personal experience, I think that you are dead on. I played last
week, first time since October last year and as I expected I didn't play
well. Hit three bunkers on the front and I had no confidence at all.
Everyone of those exit attempts was a disaster. Normally I make a
little bunker practice part of my regular weekly routine but this was
just cold.
Joe
|
|
|
| Re: Bunker Wisdom [message #1066359 ] |
So, 04 Juni 2006 04:54 |
|
Dave wrote:
>IMO, 90+% of shots that don't get out of
> a bunker are due to deacceleration of
> the clubhead. Having the confidence to
> accelerate through the ball takes
> practice and 90+% of the people who
> play golf never practice bunker shots.
> Hence, the same shitty result every time
> :) Dave
Your opinion is right on with my game, Dave. I found quite a few bunkers
at Pacific Dunes and had a devil of a time getting out of them. Courses
I play around home have very few (if any) bunkers and no place to
practice. Zumafan wondered (later) why I was not following through. I
try to now.
Cheers Lee O.
|
|
|
| Re: Bunker Wisdom [message #1066362 ] |
So, 04 Juni 2006 05:39 |
|
Lee O. wrote:
> Dave wrote:
>
>
>>IMO, 90+% of shots that don't get out of
>>a bunker are due to deacceleration of
>>the clubhead. Having the confidence to
>>accelerate through the ball takes
>>practice and 90+% of the people who
>>play golf never practice bunker shots.
>>Hence, the same shitty result every time
>>:) Dave
>
>
> Your opinion is right on with my game, Dave. I found quite a few bunkers
> at Pacific Dunes and had a devil of a time getting out of them. Courses
> I play around home have very few (if any) bunkers and no place to
> practice. Zumafan wondered (later) why I was not following through. I
> try to now.
>
> Cheers Lee O.
>
full finish my friend, it's the secret to bunker magic :) I'm lucky to
have a great practice area across the street and I spend a lot of time
in the bunkers. I love hitting sand shots and make up games to play,
like stepping on the ball and hitting a 4 iron out over a tall bunker
face and keep it on the green for an extra cookie for desert tonight.
OK, so it's hokey but it does keep me entertained :)
Dave
|
|
|
| Re: Bunker Wisdom [message #1066374 ] |
So, 04 Juni 2006 07:23 |
|
Dave wrote:
<snip>
>OK, so it's hokey but it does keep me
> entertained :) Dave
Thou art easily amused. :-))
Cheers Lee O.
|
|
|
| Re: Bunker Wisdom [message #1066383 ] |
So, 04 Juni 2006 12:22 |
|
"Lee O." <LeOpdenbrouw [at] webtv.net> wrote in message
news:27061-44826E5B-148 [at] storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net...
> Dave wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>OK, so it's hokey but it does keep me
>> entertained :) Dave
>
> Thou art easily amused. :-))
>
> Cheers Lee O.
>
I would also suggest --- easily motivated. ;-)
|
|
|
| Re: Bunker Wisdom [message #1066396 ] |
So, 04 Juni 2006 15:23 |
|
On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 18:55:07 -0700, long&left <nospam [at] diespammers.com>
wrote:
>IMO, 90+% of shots that don't get out of a bunker are due to
>deacceleration of the clubhead. Having the confidence to accelerate
>through the ball takes practice and 90+% of the people who play golf
>never practice bunker shots. Hence, the same shitty result every time :)
That makes sense from what I've seen. Occasionally I will miss - but
the ball still moves fast when it hits the side and bounces back to
me. When someone hits 3 shots with the ball getting closer each time
fits your description.
|
|
|
| Re: Bunker Wisdom [message #1066551 ] |
Mo, 05 Juni 2006 18:09 |
|
> "Teacher Guy": Bunker shots are easy - there isn't any shot in golf more
> forgiving than a bunker shot.
>
> Student: I've noticed that myself. It doesn't matter how I swing at the
> ball, I get the same shitty result every time.
>
Good one. I always cringe a bit at advice from "famous" instructors on how
easy bunker play is. Saw one just yesterday saying it was as simple as 3
steps -- 1) open the clubface, 2) hit about an inch behind the ball, and 3)
make an agressive follow through. The trouble of course is that depending
on what's in your bunkers you can't do 2 and 3 on the same swing. I'd love
to take one of these guys out to a construction site and put a few balls on
the surface of a nice bit of wet cement and have them hit. I have no doubt
that they could do it, but I'll bet the technique is quite different, and I
believe that's why a lot of players find bunker play hard. The instructors
play out of bunkers filled with that granulated sugar stuff you see
occasionally on some expensive resort course, but the stuff most of us have
to hit out of is basically muddy gravel that gets wet and compacted every
night from overnight watering of the greens.
--
Warren Montgomery (wamontgomery [at] att.net)
http://home.att.net/~wamontgomery
|
|
|
| Re: Bunker Wisdom [message #1066616 ] |
Mo, 05 Juni 2006 21:39 |
|
warren montgomery wrote:
>>"Teacher Guy": Bunker shots are easy - there isn't any shot in golf more
>>forgiving than a bunker shot.
>>
>>Student: I've noticed that myself. It doesn't matter how I swing at the
>>ball, I get the same shitty result every time.
>>
>
> Good one. I always cringe a bit at advice from "famous" instructors on how
> easy bunker play is. Saw one just yesterday saying it was as simple as 3
> steps -- 1) open the clubface, 2) hit about an inch behind the ball, and 3)
> make an agressive follow through. The trouble of course is that depending
> on what's in your bunkers you can't do 2 and 3 on the same swing. I'd love
> to take one of these guys out to a construction site and put a few balls on
> the surface of a nice bit of wet cement and have them hit. I have no doubt
> that they could do it, but I'll bet the technique is quite different, and I
> believe that's why a lot of players find bunker play hard. The instructors
> play out of bunkers filled with that granulated sugar stuff you see
> occasionally on some expensive resort course, but the stuff most of us have
> to hit out of is basically muddy gravel that gets wet and compacted every
> night from overnight watering of the greens.
>
buy and old low bounce LW at a garage sale and practice hitting balls
off of a sidewalk (seriously) over your golf bag setup 4 feet in front
of you. It can be done quite easily and is great practice for hard pan
bottomed sand traps. We have those here also
Dave
|
|
|
| Re: Bunker Wisdom [message #1066636 ] |
Mo, 05 Juni 2006 22:31 |
|
there shouldn't be any bunker shots, but assuming some are privileged
enough to to play them,
and in so doing, they shouldn't abort the swing process mid-way, to do
so is a situation that needs addressing.
>mho
>v=83e
>drive 10% less, fill up when have empty at
>the lowest major station (help create a glut)
|
|
|
| Re: Bunker Wisdom [message #1066637 ] |
Mo, 05 Juni 2006 22:39 |
|
there is apparently too much sand disturbed during a bunker shot,
the best way to get the ball m o v i n g =A0is to "skim" the sand with
an opened-face seven iron, (take issue with that).
you ain't operating a bucket, you know.
>mho
>v=83e
>drive 10% less, fill up when have empty at
>the lowest major station (help create a glut)
|
|
|
| Re: Bunker Wisdom [message #1066639 ] |
Mo, 05 Juni 2006 22:50 |
|
fiveiron [at] webtv.net wrote:
> there is apparently too much sand disturbed during a bunker shot,=20
>=20
> the best way to get the ball m o v i n g is to "skim" the sand with
> an opened-face seven iron, (take issue with that).
>=20
> you ain't operating a bucket, you know.
>=20
>=20
>>mho
>>v=83e
>=20
>=20
>>drive 10% less, fill up when have empty at=20
>>the lowest major station (help create a glut)
>=20
>=20
try that folks in a steep faced 10ft high bunker :)
|
|
|
| Re: Bunker Wisdom [message #1066739 ] |
Di, 06 Juni 2006 12:46 |
|
bunker shots are not hard. What is hard is having confidence out a bunker,
and we all know (or should) that confidence and total commitment to a shot
are essential to the short game from anywhere. There are techiques from
loose, compacted, wet etc. sand that are slightly different, but the idea is
the same. One thing to think about is regulating your distance out of a
bunker with the length of your follow through. This seems to help you not
de-cel (DEATH) and works for me. Don't remember where I read this tip (maybe
Azinger?).
"warren montgomery" <wamontgomery [at] worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:QNedndthiOO3yhnZnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
>> "Teacher Guy": Bunker shots are easy - there isn't any shot in golf more
>> forgiving than a bunker shot.
>>
>> Student: I've noticed that myself. It doesn't matter how I swing at the
>> ball, I get the same shitty result every time.
>>
> Good one. I always cringe a bit at advice from "famous" instructors on
> how easy bunker play is. Saw one just yesterday saying it was as simple
> as 3 steps -- 1) open the clubface, 2) hit about an inch behind the ball,
> and 3) make an agressive follow through. The trouble of course is that
> depending on what's in your bunkers you can't do 2 and 3 on the same
> swing. I'd love to take one of these guys out to a construction site and
> put a few balls on the surface of a nice bit of wet cement and have them
> hit. I have no doubt that they could do it, but I'll bet the technique is
> quite different, and I believe that's why a lot of players find bunker
> play hard. The instructors play out of bunkers filled with that
> granulated sugar stuff you see occasionally on some expensive resort
> course, but the stuff most of us have to hit out of is basically muddy
> gravel that gets wet and compacted every night from overnight watering of
> the greens.
>
> --
> Warren Montgomery (wamontgomery [at] att.net)
> http://home.att.net/~wamontgomery
>
|
|
|
| Re: Bunker Wisdom [message #1066766 ] |
Di, 06 Juni 2006 15:53 |
|
On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:46:48 GMT, "Prilosec" <purple [at] nni.net> wrote:
>bunker shots are not hard. What is hard is having confidence out a bunker,
>and we all know (or should) that confidence and total commitment to a shot
>are essential to the short game from anywhere.
The hardest part about bunker shots is finding a place to practice
them.
|
|
|
| Re: Bunker Wisdom [message #1066870 ] |
Di, 06 Juni 2006 20:49 |
|
Have to find a practice facility with a bunker. There are a bunch around me,
anyhow. One with a small green with targets on it is even more ideal. There
are many driving ranges that have a bunker to hit out of.
"Howard Brazee" <howard [at] brazee.net> wrote in message
news:v52b82pfatd7a0gbf6mfnvbr47t3a0icaf [at] 4ax.com...
> On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:46:48 GMT, "Prilosec" <purple [at] nni.net> wrote:
>
>>bunker shots are not hard. What is hard is having confidence out a bunker,
>>and we all know (or should) that confidence and total commitment to a shot
>>are essential to the short game from anywhere.
>
> The hardest part about bunker shots is finding a place to practice
> them.
|
|
|
