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| Triple Plays [message #1039517] |
Sun, 28 May 2006 17:29 |
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I just saw a replay of the one that the Twins did yesterday. I assume
a run scored on the play. Might that have been the first time that's
ever happened?
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039519 ] |
Sun, 28 May 2006 18:54 |
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Maybe. There is a web site devoted to triple plays at
http://tripleplays.sabr.org/ with some fascinating stuff. There isn't any
mention of a run scoring so it never happened or too many times to count.
There are many bases loaded triple plays with the ball being handled 4,5, or
6 times so it seems that a run could have scored before the third out
especially since the catcher didn't get a put-out.
"Tom Robertson" <thomasrrobertson [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:fbgj729strpfd722rli70oalmigjqq5dmb [at] 4ax.com...
>I just saw a replay of the one that the Twins did yesterday. I assume
> a run scored on the play. Might that have been the first time that's
> ever happened?
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039520 ] |
Sun, 28 May 2006 19:05 |
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sfb wrote:
> Maybe. There is a web site devoted to triple plays at
> http://tripleplays.sabr.org/ with some fascinating stuff. There isn't any
> mention of a run scoring so it never happened or too many times to count.
> There are many bases loaded triple plays with the ball being handled 4,5, or
> 6 times so it seems that a run could have scored before the third out
> especially since the catcher didn't get a put-out.
If the bases are loaded, someone can score as long as the batter is put
out. Otherwise, it would be a force at every base. Once the batter is
out, as long as the runner from third tags and crosses home before the
third out is made, it counts.
--
Steve Alpert
MIT - B.S. (Eng.) '05, M.S. (Transp.) '06
http://web.mit.edu/smalpert/www/roads
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039522 ] |
Sun, 28 May 2006 19:35 |
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I already wrote to one of the people who does that site and he said
that that was the 19th time it has happened, that the last time it had
happened was in 1977, and that he'll put the list on his site.
"sfb" <sfb [at] spam.net> wrote:
>Maybe. There is a web site devoted to triple plays at
>http://tripleplays.sabr.org/ with some fascinating stuff. There isn't any
>mention of a run scoring so it never happened or too many times to count.
>There are many bases loaded triple plays with the ball being handled 4,5, or
>6 times so it seems that a run could have scored before the third out
>especially since the catcher didn't get a put-out.
>
>"Tom Robertson" <thomasrrobertson [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:fbgj729strpfd722rli70oalmigjqq5dmb [at] 4ax.com...
>>I just saw a replay of the one that the Twins did yesterday. I assume
>> a run scored on the play. Might that have been the first time that's
>> ever happened?
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039523 ] |
Sun, 28 May 2006 19:54 |
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"Steve" <smalpert [at] hackmit.edu> wrote in message
news:4479d864$0$580$b45e6eb0 [at] senator-bedfellow.mit.edu...
> sfb wrote:
>> Maybe. There is a web site devoted to triple plays at
>> http://tripleplays.sabr.org/ with some fascinating stuff. There isn't any
>> mention of a run scoring so it never happened or too many times to count.
>> There are many bases loaded triple plays with the ball being handled 4,5,
>> or 6 times so it seems that a run could have scored before the third out
>> especially since the catcher didn't get a put-out.
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> If the bases are loaded, someone can score as long as the batter is put
> out.
As the first or second out. A run can not score when the batter is the third
out because either he or the base was tagged before he reached first base.
Otherwise, it would be a force at every base. Once the batter is
> out, as long as the runner from third tags and crosses home before the
> third out is made, it counts.
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> --
> Steve Alpert
> MIT - B.S. (Eng.) '05, M.S. (Transp.) '06
> http://web.mit.edu/smalpert/www/roads
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039525 ] |
Sun, 28 May 2006 19:56 |
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Just found it at http://tripleplays.sabr.org/tp_out.htm The runner on third
scored 18 times in 661 triple plays. The runners on first and second never
scored and the batter can't score.
"sfb" <sfb [at] spam.net> wrote in message
news:KJidna7PIKdQSOTZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
> Maybe. There is a web site devoted to triple plays at
> http://tripleplays.sabr.org/ with some fascinating stuff. There isn't any
> mention of a run scoring so it never happened or too many times to count.
> There are many bases loaded triple plays with the ball being handled 4,5,
> or 6 times so it seems that a run could have scored before the third out
> especially since the catcher didn't get a put-out.
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> "Tom Robertson" <thomasrrobertson [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:fbgj729strpfd722rli70oalmigjqq5dmb [at] 4ax.com...
>>I just saw a replay of the one that the Twins did yesterday. I assume
>> a run scored on the play. Might that have been the first time that's
>> ever happened?
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039527 ] |
Sun, 28 May 2006 20:33 |
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Steve <smalpert [at] hackmit.edu> trolled:
> sfb wrote:
Please do not respond to top-posters until they post properly.
Top-posters cut people off in traffic.
cordially, as always,
rm
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039528 ] |
Sun, 28 May 2006 20:33 |
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Tom Robertson <thomasrrobertson [at] earthlink.net> trolled:
[top-posting deleted, unread]
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039529 ] |
Sun, 28 May 2006 20:46 |
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"Steve" <smalpert [at] hackmit.edu> wrote in message
news:4479d864$0$580$b45e6eb0 [at] senator-bedfellow.mit.edu...
> sfb wrote:
>> Maybe. There is a web site devoted to triple plays at
>> http://tripleplays.sabr.org/ with some fascinating stuff. There isn't any
>> mention of a run scoring so it never happened or too many times to count.
>> There are many bases loaded triple plays with the ball being handled 4,5,
>> or 6 times so it seems that a run could have scored before the third out
>> especially since the catcher didn't get a put-out.
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> If the bases are loaded, someone can score as long as the batter is put
> out. Otherwise, it would be a force at every base. Once the batter is
> out, as long as the runner from third tags and crosses home before the
> third out is made, it counts.
However, if the batter-runner is put out before he reaches first and he is
the third out, no runs score.
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039531 ] |
Sun, 28 May 2006 21:04 |
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Ryan Robbins <redbird007 [at] verizon.net> trolled:
> "Steve" <smalpert [at] hackmit.edu> wrote in message
> > sfb wrote:
Those of you who insist on participating in threads with top-posters
may find yourself in the same killfiles as the top-posters.
PLONK
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039532 ] |
Sun, 28 May 2006 21:07 |
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Is there a tee shirt?
"Realto Margarino" <rm [at] youasked.org> wrote in message
news:%umeg.112515$Gj2.92532 [at] fe05.news.easynews.com...
> Ryan Robbins <redbird007 [at] verizon.net> trolled:
>> "Steve" <smalpert [at] hackmit.edu> wrote in message
>> > sfb wrote:
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> Those of you who insist on participating in threads with top-posters
> may find yourself in the same killfiles as the top-posters.
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> PLONK
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039540 ] |
Sun, 28 May 2006 22:50 |
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Steve wrote:
> sfb wrote:
> > Maybe. There is a web site devoted to triple plays at
> > http://tripleplays.sabr.org/ with some fascinating stuff. There isn't any
> > mention of a run scoring so it never happened or too many times to count.
> > There are many bases loaded triple plays with the ball being handled 4,5, or
> > 6 times so it seems that a run could have scored before the third out
> > especially since the catcher didn't get a put-out.
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> If the bases are loaded, someone can score as long as the batter is put
> out. Otherwise, it would be a force at every base. Once the batter is
> out, as long as the runner from third tags and crosses home before the
> third out is made, it counts.
I'm having a hard time imagining a (potential) run-scoring triple play
where the batter isn't put out.
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039541 ] |
Sun, 28 May 2006 22:56 |
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sfb wrote:
> "Steve" <smalpert [at] hackmit.edu> wrote in message
> news:4479d864$0$580$b45e6eb0 [at] senator-bedfellow.mit.edu...
> > sfb wrote:
> >> Maybe. There is a web site devoted to triple plays at
> >> http://tripleplays.sabr.org/ with some fascinating stuff. There isn't any
> >> mention of a run scoring so it never happened or too many times to count.
> >> There are many bases loaded triple plays with the ball being handled 4,5,
> >> or 6 times so it seems that a run could have scored before the third out
> >> especially since the catcher didn't get a put-out.
> >
> > If the bases are loaded, someone can score as long as the batter is put
> > out.
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> As the first or second out. A run can not score when the batter is the third
> out because either he or the base was tagged before he reached first base.
He could be the third out after reaching first - thrown out rounding
the bag or attempting to advance.
> Otherwise, it would be a force at every base. Once the batter is
> > out, as long as the runner from third tags and crosses home before the
> > third out is made, it counts.
If the runner reaches home before the third out is recorded, the only
time the run wouldn't count would be on an around-the-horn triple play.
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039543 ] |
Sun, 28 May 2006 22:58 |
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Or maybe a look up his sister's dress?
On Sun, 28 May 2006 15:07:01 -0400, sfb wrote:
> Is there a tee shirt?
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> "Realto Margarino" <rm [at] youasked.org> wrote in message
> news:%umeg.112515$Gj2.92532 [at] fe05.news.easynews.com...
>> Ryan Robbins <redbird007 [at] verizon.net> trolled:
>>> "Steve" <smalpert [at] hackmit.edu> wrote in message
>>> > sfb wrote:
>>
>> Those of you who insist on participating in threads with top-posters
>> may find yourself in the same killfiles as the top-posters.
>>
>> PLONK
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039545 ] |
Sun, 28 May 2006 23:07 |
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I have an idea: let's everyone top-post for the next month. RM will put
us all in his kill file and won't see anything to respond to. When a
couple of weeks go by without an opportunity to call someone a "stats
fan" or attack someone for quoting a player's OPS, he will probably get
bored and go away.
> "Realto Margarino" <rm [at] youasked.org> wrote in message
>>Those of you who insist on participating in threads with top-posters
>>may find yourself in the same killfiles as the top-posters.
>>
>>PLONK
--
- Jeff Lichtman
Author, Baseball for Rookies
http://baseball-for-rookies.com/
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039554 ] |
Sun, 28 May 2006 23:48 |
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In article <7KedndIf99qcjOfZnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d [at] rcn.net>,
Jeff Lichtman <swazoo [at] rcn.com> wrote:
>I have an idea: let's everyone top-post for the next month. RM will put
>us all in his kill file and won't see anything to respond to. When a
>couple of weeks go by without an opportunity to call someone a "stats
>fan" or attack someone for quoting a player's OPS, he will probably get
>bored and go away.
Except that as annoying as RLM is, sfb / top-posting is far more annoying.
In addition to representing bad etiquette, it's retarded, and since there's
no rational reason to do it, the only conclusion is that it's deliberately
being done to sabotage discussion.
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039556 ] |
Sun, 28 May 2006 23:51 |
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In article <7KedndIf99qcjOfZnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d [at] rcn.net>, swazoo [at] rcn.com
says...
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>I have an idea: let's everyone top-post for the next month. RM will put
>us all in his kill file and won't see anything to respond to. When a
>couple of weeks go by without an opportunity to call someone a "stats
>fan" or attack someone for quoting a player's OPS, he will probably get
>bored and go away.
To be fair, he has a point. sfb is a troll himself, as evidenced by his
asshole responses to people politely requesting he stop top-posting. RM's
constant responses to sfb may be a way of trying to appear an upstanding
usenet citizen. Doesn't work, of course, as he's just a worthless lump of
shit, but it's notable that sfb can make RM look almost respectable.
-Tim
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039558 ] |
Mon, 29 May 2006 00:12 |
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Seapig <seapig [at] altavista.com> trolled:
> sfb wrote:
Ignore top-posters. Top-posters smoke in elevators.
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039572 ] |
Mon, 29 May 2006 06:33 |
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Top post, what the fuck is top post? Is that like Butterino is to
Faggarinos or like Margarino is to like.....donkeys?
On Sun, 28 May 2006 14:07:13 -0700, Jeff Lichtman wrote:
> I have an idea: let's everyone top-post for the next month. RM will put
> us all in his kill file and won't see anything to respond to. When a
> couple of weeks go by without an opportunity to call someone a "stats
> fan" or attack someone for quoting a player's OPS, he will probably get
> bored and go away.
>
>> "Realto Margarino" <rm [at] youasked.org> wrote in message
>>>Those of you who insist on participating in threads with top-posters
>>>may find yourself in the same killfiles as the top-posters.
>>>
>>>PLONK
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039573 ] |
Mon, 29 May 2006 06:33 |
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I find RLM quaint, bemusing, idiotic.
On Sun, 28 May 2006 17:48:57 -0400, David M. Nieporent wrote:
> Except that as annoying as RLM is, sfb / top-posting is far more annoying.
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039574 ] |
Mon, 29 May 2006 06:34 |
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On Sun, 28 May 2006 16:51:37 -0500, The Enigmatic One wrote:
> To be fair, he has a point. sfb is a troll himself, as evidenced by his
> asshole responses to people politely requesting he stop top-posting. RM's
> constant responses to sfb may be a way of trying to appear an upstanding
> usenet citizen. Doesn't work, of course, as he's just a worthless lump of
> shit, but it's notable that sfb can make RM look almost respectable.
>
> -Tim
Correct. RLM is The Man.
--
Tim. - the one with the yahoo address
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039575 ] |
Mon, 29 May 2006 06:35 |
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On 28 May 2006 13:50:15 -0700, Seapig wrote:
> I'm having a hard time imagining a (potential) run-scoring triple play
> where the batter isn't put out.
That's becuz u wood have a hard time imagenin sex with a man, er woman, er,
animal i mean
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039576 ] |
Mon, 29 May 2006 07:29 |
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"Seapig" <seapig [at] altavista.com> wrote in message
news:1148849819.387190.74990 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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> If the runner reaches home before the third out is recorded, the only
> time the run wouldn't count would be on an around-the-horn triple play.
Not if the runner advancing to second is forced, the runner advancing to
third is tagged, and the batter-runner is out at first.
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039582 ] |
Mon, 29 May 2006 11:20 |
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Ryan Robbins wrote:
> "Seapig" <seapig [at] altavista.com> wrote in message
> news:1148849819.387190.74990 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > If the runner reaches home before the third out is recorded, the only
> > time the run wouldn't count would be on an around-the-horn triple play.
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> Not if the runner advancing to second is forced, the runner advancing to
> third is tagged, and the batter-runner is out at first.
You're right. I was assuming competent baserunning, but I suppose it
could happen that way, if there were some confusion about whether the
ball was caught, or a reallllly slow batter.
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039588 ] |
Mon, 29 May 2006 20:55 |
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"Seapig" <seapig [at] altavista.com> wrote:
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>Ryan Robbins wrote:
>> "Seapig" <seapig [at] altavista.com> wrote in message
>> news:1148849819.387190.74990 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > If the runner reaches home before the third out is recorded, the only
>> > time the run wouldn't count would be on an around-the-horn triple play.
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>> Not if the runner advancing to second is forced, the runner advancing to
>> third is tagged, and the batter-runner is out at first.
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>You're right. I was assuming competent baserunning, but I suppose it
>could happen that way, if there were some confusion about whether the
>ball was caught, or a reallllly slow batter.
So is the general rule that runs can score only if what runners are
forced don't make the third out? Years ago, in this group, I asked a
question that assumed that runners are forced back to their bases when
the batter has flied out, but I was told that that is an appeal play,
not a force play. Would the run count if the bases are loaded, the
batter hits a line drive that is caught, then the runner on second is
thrown out for not getting back to his base, then the runner on third,
having tagged up, touches home plate, and then the runner on first is
thrown out for not getting back to his base? What about being called
out for passing the next baserunner? Would the run count if the bases
are loaded, the batter hits a line drive that is caught, then the
runner on second is put out, whether by being tagged or by being
thrown out for not getting back to his base, then the runner on third,
having tagged up, touches home plate, and then the runner on first is
called out because he passes the runner on second? Or is there any
significance to passing a runner who has been called out?
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039592 ] |
Mon, 29 May 2006 21:23 |
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http://tripleplays.sabr.org/tp_load.htm has a list of the bases loaded
triple plays. As you can see, there are a lot of ways to make a triple play.
You can invent a gazillion scenarios for scoring a run on a bases loaded
triple play. The only constants are 1) the batter can not score the run and
2) the batter can not be the third out by tagging the batter or first base
before the batter reaches first.
"Tom Robertson" <thomasrrobertson [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:7qfm72tcfte4srtnd0qk516dij4ov8knk4 [at] 4ax.com...
> "Seapig" <seapig [at] altavista.com> wrote:
>
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>>Ryan Robbins wrote:
>>> "Seapig" <seapig [at] altavista.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1148849819.387190.74990 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> >
>>> > If the runner reaches home before the third out is recorded, the only
>>> > time the run wouldn't count would be on an around-the-horn triple
>>> > play.
>>>
>>> Not if the runner advancing to second is forced, the runner advancing to
>>> third is tagged, and the batter-runner is out at first.
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>>You're right. I was assuming competent baserunning, but I suppose it
>>could happen that way, if there were some confusion about whether the
>>ball was caught, or a reallllly slow batter.
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> So is the general rule that runs can score only if what runners are
> forced don't make the third out? Years ago, in this group, I asked a
> question that assumed that runners are forced back to their bases when
> the batter has flied out, but I was told that that is an appeal play,
> not a force play. Would the run count if the bases are loaded, the
> batter hits a line drive that is caught, then the runner on second is
> thrown out for not getting back to his base, then the runner on third,
> having tagged up, touches home plate, and then the runner on first is
> thrown out for not getting back to his base? What about being called
> out for passing the next baserunner? Would the run count if the bases
> are loaded, the batter hits a line drive that is caught, then the
> runner on second is put out, whether by being tagged or by being
> thrown out for not getting back to his base, then the runner on third,
> having tagged up, touches home plate, and then the runner on first is
> called out because he passes the runner on second? Or is there any
> significance to passing a runner who has been called out?
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039594 ] |
Mon, 29 May 2006 22:40 |
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In article <7qfm72tcfte4srtnd0qk516dij4ov8knk4 [at] 4ax.com>,
Tom Robertson <thomasrrobertson [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
>"Seapig" <seapig [at] altavista.com> wrote:
>>Ryan Robbins wrote:
>>> "Seapig" <seapig [at] altavista.com> wrote in message
>>> > If the runner reaches home before the third out is recorded, the only
>>> > time the run wouldn't count would be on an around-the-horn triple play.
>>> Not if the runner advancing to second is forced, the runner advancing to
>>> third is tagged, and the batter-runner is out at first.
>>You're right. I was assuming competent baserunning, but I suppose it
>>could happen that way, if there were some confusion about whether the
>>ball was caught, or a reallllly slow batter.
>So is the general rule that runs can score only if what runners are
>forced don't make the third out? Years ago, in this group, I asked a
>question that assumed that runners are forced back to their bases when
>the batter has flied out, but I was told that that is an appeal play,
>not a force play.
Correct.
> Would the run count if the bases are loaded, the
>batter hits a line drive that is caught, then the runner on second is
>thrown out for not getting back to his base, then the runner on third,
>having tagged up, touches home plate, and then the runner on first is
>thrown out for not getting back to his base?
Yes. Hard to imagine that actually being able to happen (that the runner
on third can tag up and run 90 feet faster than the runner on first can get
back to first), but assuming that it did, the run would count.
(More physically plausible is a situation where the runner on third
*doesn't* tag up, but nobody on the defense notices so they don't appeal to
third.)
>What about being called
>out for passing the next baserunner? Would the run count if the bases
>are loaded, the batter hits a line drive that is caught, then the
>runner on second is put out, whether by being tagged or by being
>thrown out for not getting back to his base, then the runner on third,
>having tagged up, touches home plate, and then the runner on first is
>called out because he passes the runner on second?
There is no runner on second in the scenario you described; he's already
out.
>Or is there any
>significance to passing a runner who has been called out?
No.
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039614 ] |
Tue, 30 May 2006 05:20 |
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"Tom Robertson" <thomasrrobertson [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:7qfm72tcfte4srtnd0qk516dij4ov8knk4 [at] 4ax.com...
> "Seapig" <seapig [at] altavista.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Ryan Robbins wrote:
>>> "Seapig" <seapig [at] altavista.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1148849819.387190.74990 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> >
>>> > If the runner reaches home before the third out is recorded, the only
>>> > time the run wouldn't count would be on an around-the-horn triple
>>> > play.
>>>
>>> Not if the runner advancing to second is forced, the runner advancing to
>>> third is tagged, and the batter-runner is out at first.
>>
>>You're right. I was assuming competent baserunning, but I suppose it
>>could happen that way, if there were some confusion about whether the
>>ball was caught, or a reallllly slow batter.
>
> So is the general rule that runs can score only if what runners are
> forced don't make the third out?
If the third out is the result of any force out, no runs can score on the
play. If the batter-runner fails to reach first safely and he is the third
out, no runs can score on the play.
> Years ago, in this group, I asked a
> question that assumed that runners are forced back to their bases when
> the batter has flied out, but I was told that that is an appeal play,
> not a force play.
That's correct.
> Would the run count if the bases are loaded, the
> batter hits a line drive that is caught, then the runner on second is
> thrown out for not getting back to his base, then the runner on third,
> having tagged up, touches home plate, and then the runner on first is
> thrown out for not getting back to his base?
Yes, the run would count. This is called a time play.
> What about being called
> out for passing the next baserunner? Would the run count if the bases
> are loaded, the batter hits a line drive that is caught, then the
> runner on second is put out, whether by being tagged or by being
> thrown out for not getting back to his base, then the runner on third,
> having tagged up, touches home plate, and then the runner on first is
> called out because he passes the runner on second?
The runner who was at second is no longer a runner.
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039634 ] |
Tue, 30 May 2006 22:03 |
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What about:
Bases loaded.
Batter tops the ball and trips.
Catcher steps on home (runner on third out) runners on first and second
have taken off at the crack of the bat. catcher throws down to second,
overthrows the runner. Shortstop catches it, throws the third and
tags out the runner from FIRST. Runner from second scores. Third
baseman throws to first for the force out because batter has torn up an
ankle and hasn't made it to first yet.
The third out would have been a force out? Would the run count if it
came in before the second (non-force out)?
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039636 ] |
Tue, 30 May 2006 22:19 |
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Same as two outs, one runner on any base, batter hits a grounder to any
infielder, batter trips and falls, runner touches home, infielder throws to
first basemen who tags first before the batter gets there.
No run may score if the batter is the third out at first by tagging either
the batter or the runner before the batter touches first base.
"David the Nationals Fan" <davidthenatfan [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1149019429.844304.52990 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> What about:
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> Bases loaded.
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> Batter tops the ball and trips.
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> Catcher steps on home (runner on third out) runners on first and second
> have taken off at the crack of the bat. catcher throws down to second,
> overthrows the runner. Shortstop catches it, throws the third and
> tags out the runner from FIRST. Runner from second scores. Third
> baseman throws to first for the force out because batter has torn up an
> ankle and hasn't made it to first yet.
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> The third out would have been a force out? Would the run count if it
> came in before the second (non-force out)?
>
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039641 ] |
Tue, 30 May 2006 23:00 |
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In article <k-OdnUuf8eKgeeTZ4p2dnA [at] comcast.com> on Sun, 28 May 2006
13:56:13 -0400, sfb [at] spam.net (sfb) wrote:
> Just found it at http://tripleplays.sabr.org/tp_out.htm The runner on
> third scored 18 times in 661 triple plays. The runners on first and
> second never scored and the batter can't score.
As I just discovered - even if the third out is an appeal play (7.12).
The only likely play I can see for a scorer from second or third is for
something to go wrong - either a base-running mistake, or a throwing
"error" (can't have an error on a play with an out, but you know what I
mean)
One example is for 3B to take a grounder, tag R3, force R2 and then miss
whoever is covering second, throwing the ball into the outfield. B-R
and R1 circle the bases and B-R is then thrown out at home for a 5-9-1
or at third for a 5-9-5
Another would be for the B-R to miss a base on the way around to score
and be out on appeal.
--
Richard Gadsden
"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death
your right to say it" - Attributed to Voltaire
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039642 ] |
Tue, 30 May 2006 23:19 |
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Richard Gadsden wrote:
> Another would be for the B-R to miss a base on the way around to score
> and be out on appeal.
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What happens if the batter hits a home run with men on all three bases,
and three of the four fail to touch home plate? On appeal, all three
are called out. Under which circumstances would the one who actually
touched bring the run home, and under which circumstances would no runs
be scored despite one of them running correctly?
--
Steve Alpert
MIT - B.S. (Eng.) '05, M.S. (Transp.) '06
http://web.mit.edu/smalpert/www/roads
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039648 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 02:22 |
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"David the Nationals Fan" <davidthenatfan [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1149019429.844304.52990 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> What about:
>
> Bases loaded.
>
> Batter tops the ball and trips.
>
> Catcher steps on home (runner on third out) runners on first and second
> have taken off at the crack of the bat. catcher throws down to second,
> overthrows the runner. Shortstop catches it, throws the third and
> tags out the runner from FIRST. Runner from second scores. Third
> baseman throws to first for the force out because batter has torn up an
> ankle and hasn't made it to first yet.
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> The third out would have been a force out? Would the run count if it
> came in before the second (non-force out)?
As has been said several times, if the batter-runner is the third out before
he reaches first, no runs can score on the play.
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1039659 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 10:00 |
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In article <447cb6d0$0$569$b45e6eb0 [at] senator-bedfellow.mit.edu> on Tue,
30 May 2006 17:19:12 -0400, smalpert [at] hackmit.edu (Steve) wrote:
> Richard Gadsden wrote:
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> > Another would be for the B-R to miss a base on the way around to
> > score and be out on appeal.
> >
> What happens if the batter hits a home run with men on all three
> bases, and three of the four fail to touch home plate? On appeal,
> all three are called out. Under which circumstances would the one
> who actually touched bring the run home, and under which
> circumstances would no runs be scored despite one of them running
> correctly?
Anyone but the batter can score in that situation. If all three runners
on base miss home, then the run does not score.
--
Richard Gadsden
"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death
your right to say it" - Attributed to Voltaire
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| Re: Triple Plays [message #1052422 ] |
Fri, 02 June 2006 04:32 |
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On Sun, 28 May 2006 19:04:27 GMT, Realto Margarino <rm [at] youasked.org>
wrote:
>Those of you who insist on participating in threads with top-posters
>may find yourself in the same killfiles as the top-posters.
And those of you who insist on being the "net police" will also be
killfiled.
>PLONK
PLONK yourself.
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