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Sports » rec.sport.rugby.union » Well done Sale
| Well done Sale [message #1037255] |
Sa, 27 Mai 2006 19:45 |
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I really enjoyed the game - totally outplayed Leicester - seemed like they
got past all the conditions, the only time it showed was when people slipped
on the turf etc.
I remember someone posting that Sale's season might have been over after
they got dumped out of the Euro cup and remember thinking he may be right,
so it was good to see the league leaders and most inspired rugby I have seen
in the Premiership prevail.
Well done.
Mr.Will
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| Re: Well done Sale [message #1037256 ] |
Sa, 27 Mai 2006 20:59 |
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Mr.Will wrote:
> I really enjoyed the game - totally outplayed Leicester - seemed like they
> got past all the conditions, the only time it showed was when people slipped
> on the turf etc.
>
> I remember someone posting that Sale's season might have been over after
> they got dumped out of the Euro cup and remember thinking he may be right,
> so it was good to see the league leaders and most inspired rugby I have seen
> in the Premiership prevail.
Curiously, I found myself in the odd and slightly uncomfortable
position of supporting a side that contained Charlie Hodgson. After
twenty minutes or so, and about thirty-six cross field kicks I relaxed
and decided to enjoy the occasion. In particular, I enjoyed just how
dreadful Leicester have become. Martin Corry looks less and less the
powerhouse juggernaut he used to be and more and more a sad git who can
see his future behind him. Varndell proved conclusively that newspaper
editors should never be allowed to pick test squads and Moody, who I
like immensely as a player, is starting to look oddly eccentric and
unreliable.
On the other side of the coin, Hodgson was good. No really. He played
very well indeed. Goode on the other hand was bad. Very bad. The reason
for this apparent disparity between the top two FHs in the universe
(copyright the British Press), was the Sale pack, which was simply
magnificent.
The game itself was everything good about the Guinness Premiership,
which isn't very much, but it was a damn sight better than the S14
final, even allowing for the awful weather of the latter. And I
confess, I enjoyed the contest. The best side won, too, which is a
bonus.
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| Re: Well done Sale [message #1037314 ] |
So, 28 Mai 2006 10:25 |
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Martyn W wrote:
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> The game itself was everything good about the Guinness Premiership,
> which isn't very much, but it was a damn sight better than the S14
> final, even allowing for the awful weather of the latter. And I
> confess, I enjoyed the contest. The best side won, too, which is a
> bonus.
>
The match was certainly better than the S14 final (alledgedly the top
competition) and the supporters at home saw more rugby in any five
minute spell than they did in the whole of the S14 final.
Hodgson confirmed again that he performs well behind a match winning
pack, his kicking (apart from the charge down!) out of hand was precise
and troubled Leicester defence all afternoon.
Varndell was well marshalled in attack and they certainly tested his
defence, and it was often found wanting. Leicester should have taken
him off after half time and played that other youngster, Lloyd, much
steadier in defence and no mug going forward.
Good and ellis were poor, and the pack did not dominate the scrums as
expected. Lineout was pretty even with plenty being lost due to the
conditions. Sales pack won the loose battle.
Overall Leicester were their own worst enemy, they didn't choose the
right team or tactics for the slippery conditions and they made more
unforced errors than Sale. Sale to took a 16 point lead and Leicester
chased the game allowing sale to stretch their lead further.
Leicester supporters can't relly moan too much, they have never liked
the playoff system, they still beleive it was introduced in response to
Leicesters four year dominance of the ZP. In 2001 when it was
introduced they tried to make the final winners the winners of the
league but backed down. Though in the end Leicester won the league and
playoffs so it made no difference.
Leicester were of course robbed last year but despite that a win
yesterday would have sat uncomfortably with me. Well done sale.
I call on all english ruby fans to boycott the playoffs, only then might
they be abandoned! We have two grand finals already, why do we need a
third?
Mike
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| Re: Well done Sale [message #1037316 ] |
So, 28 Mai 2006 11:18 |
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On Sat, 27 May 2006 17:45:51 GMT, "Mr.Will" <mr.will [at] ntlworld.com>
wrote:
>I really enjoyed the game - totally outplayed Leicester - seemed like they
>got past all the conditions, the only time it showed was when people slipped
>on the turf etc.
>
>I remember someone posting that Sale's season might have been over after
>they got dumped out of the Euro cup and remember thinking he may be right,
>so it was good to see the league leaders and most inspired rugby I have seen
>in the Premiership prevail.
>
>Well done.
>
>Mr.Will
>
Watched some highlights - have your boys got slower or was TVNZ
running the reel at 3/4 speed?
Don't the refs pick up off sides and forward passes anymore - if it
wasn't so slow it could have been Super14 ::
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| Re: Well done Sale [message #1037319 ] |
So, 28 Mai 2006 11:42 |
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Mike wrote:
> Martyn W wrote:
>
> >
> > The game itself was everything good about the Guinness Premiership,
> > which isn't very much, but it was a damn sight better than the S14
> > final, even allowing for the awful weather of the latter. And I
> > confess, I enjoyed the contest.>
Hmmm
>
> The match was certainly better than the S14 final (alledgedly the top
> competition) and the supporters at home saw more rugby in any five
> minute spell than they did in the whole of the S14 final.
Repeat for emphasis "i am not afraid of the dark, I am not afraid....")
I see a trend here. Mind you the other trend I see is that yet
another couple NH teams will gets their collective arses handed to them
on a plate by both Aussi and NZ.
> Mike
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| Re: Well done Sale [message #1037351 ] |
So, 28 Mai 2006 13:44 |
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couchpotatoe wrote:
> Mike wrote:
>> Martyn W wrote:
>>
>>> The game itself was everything good about the Guinness
>>> Premiership, which isn't very much, but it was a damn sight
>>> better than the S14 final, even allowing for the awful weather of
>>> the latter. And I confess, I enjoyed the contest.>
>
> Hmmm
>> The match was certainly better than the S14 final (alledgedly the
>> top competition) and the supporters at home saw more rugby in any
>> five minute spell than they did in the whole of the S14 final.
>
> Repeat for emphasis "i am not afraid of the dark, I am not
> afraid....")
Oh dear crotchpotatoe - I was refering to weather bound TV coverage of
the S14 final.
> I see a trend here.
Don't tell me - the mullett is back again!
Mind you the other trend I see is that yet
> another couple NH teams will gets their collective arses handed to
> them on a plate by both Aussi and NZ.
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>
>> Mike
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| Re: Well done Sale [message #1037368 ] |
So, 28 Mai 2006 21:02 |
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"BrentC"
<brentc [at] ...............................gmx.net........and.remove.exc ess.dots>
wrote in message news:pjqi72tv6kan7o6bj7ti2cr307asrch2hv [at] 4ax.com...
> On Sat, 27 May 2006 17:45:51 GMT, "Mr.Will" <mr.will [at] ntlworld.com>
> wrote:
>
>>I really enjoyed the game - totally outplayed Leicester - seemed like they
>>got past all the conditions, the only time it showed was when people
>>slipped
>>on the turf etc.
>>
>>I remember someone posting that Sale's season might have been over after
>>they got dumped out of the Euro cup and remember thinking he may be right,
>>so it was good to see the league leaders and most inspired rugby I have
>>seen
>>in the Premiership prevail.
>>
>>Well done.
>>
>>Mr.Will
>>
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> Watched some highlights - have your boys got slower or was TVNZ
> running the reel at 3/4 speed?
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> Don't the refs pick up off sides and forward passes anymore - if it
> wasn't so slow it could have been Super14 ::
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>
Just conditions I think.
Mr.Will
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| Re: Well done Sale [message #1037373 ] |
So, 28 Mai 2006 22:51 |
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In article <btmeg.4091$zv2.3590 [at] newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>,
"Mr.Will" <mr.will [at] ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "BrentC"
> <brentc [at] ...............................gmx.net........and.remove.exc ess.dots>
> wrote in message news:pjqi72tv6kan7o6bj7ti2cr307asrch2hv [at] 4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 27 May 2006 17:45:51 GMT, "Mr.Will" <mr.will [at] ntlworld.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>I really enjoyed the game - totally outplayed Leicester - seemed like they
> >>got past all the conditions, the only time it showed was when people
> >>slipped
> >>on the turf etc.
> >>
> >>I remember someone posting that Sale's season might have been over after
> >>they got dumped out of the Euro cup and remember thinking he may be right,
> >>so it was good to see the league leaders and most inspired rugby I have
> >>seen
> >>in the Premiership prevail.
> >>
> >>Well done.
> >>
> >>Mr.Will
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Watched some highlights - have your boys got slower or was TVNZ
> > running the reel at 3/4 speed?
> >
> > Don't the refs pick up off sides and forward passes anymore - if it
> > wasn't so slow it could have been Super14 ::
> >
> >
No, for S14 it would have to have been only partially visible and have
only a single try scored ;-}
William Clark
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| Re: Well done Sale [message #1037376 ] |
So, 28 Mai 2006 23:23 |
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On Sun, 28 May 2006 16:51:41 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
<clark.31 [at] osu.edu> wrote:
>In article <btmeg.4091$zv2.3590 [at] newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>,
> "Mr.Will" <mr.will [at] ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> "BrentC"
>> <brentc [at] ...............................gmx.net........and.remove.exc ess.dots>
>> wrote in message news:pjqi72tv6kan7o6bj7ti2cr307asrch2hv [at] 4ax.com...
>> > On Sat, 27 May 2006 17:45:51 GMT, "Mr.Will" <mr.will [at] ntlworld.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>I really enjoyed the game - totally outplayed Leicester - seemed like they
>> >>got past all the conditions, the only time it showed was when people
>> >>slipped
>> >>on the turf etc.
>> >>
>> >>I remember someone posting that Sale's season might have been over after
>> >>they got dumped out of the Euro cup and remember thinking he may be right,
>> >>so it was good to see the league leaders and most inspired rugby I have
>> >>seen
>> >>in the Premiership prevail.
>> >>
>> >>Well done.
>> >>
>> >>Mr.Will
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Watched some highlights - have your boys got slower or was TVNZ
>> > running the reel at 3/4 speed?
>> >
>> > Don't the refs pick up off sides and forward passes anymore - if it
>> > wasn't so slow it could have been Super14 ::
>> >
>> >
>
>No, for S14 it would have to have been only partially visible and have
>only a single try scored ;-}
>
>William Clark
Had to stop trying to watch the game - what a farce - what happens in
England when it's foggy - I can vaguely remember a game similar?
*********************
BrentC
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| Re: Well done Sale [message #1037447 ] |
Mo, 29 Mai 2006 09:01 |
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"Martyn W" <ukhamlet [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148756374.355236.110750 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Mr.Will wrote:
>> I really enjoyed the game - totally outplayed Leicester - seemed like
>> they
>> got past all the conditions, the only time it showed was when people
>> slipped
>> on the turf etc.
>>
>> I remember someone posting that Sale's season might have been over after
>> they got dumped out of the Euro cup and remember thinking he may be
>> right,
>> so it was good to see the league leaders and most inspired rugby I have
>> seen
>> in the Premiership prevail.
>
> Curiously, I found myself in the odd and slightly uncomfortable
> position of supporting a side that contained Charlie Hodgson. After
> twenty minutes or so, and about thirty-six cross field kicks I relaxed
> and decided to enjoy the occasion. In particular, I enjoyed just how
> dreadful Leicester have become. Martin Corry looks less and less the
> powerhouse juggernaut he used to be and more and more a sad git who can
> see his future behind him. Varndell proved conclusively that newspaper
> editors should never be allowed to pick test squads and Moody, who I
> like immensely as a player, is starting to look oddly eccentric and
> unreliable.
Have to agree with you about Varndell, SSB came out here for a few jars, and
we both noticed that Varndell, 1) was crap 2) ran away from the contact zone
3) would palm the ball off to someone else if anyone so much as ran near
him. Corry was invisible as captain, no team motivation huddles, etc. Goode
had a mare. I thought prior to the match Leic's would dog it out for a win,
but Howard must be fizzing with the lack of motivation from his players.
The one positive thing to come out of it, at last the league champions won
the RFU end of season fund raiser, that has screwed over Bath, Glaws and
Leicester.
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| Re: Well done Sale [message #1037481 ] |
Mo, 29 Mai 2006 13:41 |
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BrentC wrote:
> On Sun, 28 May 2006 16:51:41 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
> <clark.31 [at] osu.edu> wrote:
>
>> In article <btmeg.4091$zv2.3590 [at] newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>,
>> "Mr.Will" <mr.will [at] ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "BrentC"
>>> <brentc [at] ...............................gmx.net........and.remove.exc ess.dots>
>>> wrote in message news:pjqi72tv6kan7o6bj7ti2cr307asrch2hv [at] 4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 27 May 2006 17:45:51 GMT, "Mr.Will" <mr.will [at] ntlworld.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I really enjoyed the game - totally outplayed Leicester - seemed like they
>>>>> got past all the conditions, the only time it showed was when people
>>>>> slipped
>>>>> on the turf etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember someone posting that Sale's season might have been over after
>>>>> they got dumped out of the Euro cup and remember thinking he may be right,
>>>>> so it was good to see the league leaders and most inspired rugby I have
>>>>> seen
>>>>> in the Premiership prevail.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well done.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr.Will
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Watched some highlights - have your boys got slower or was TVNZ
>>>> running the reel at 3/4 speed?
>>>>
>>>> Don't the refs pick up off sides and forward passes anymore - if it
>>>> wasn't so slow it could have been Super14 ::
>>>>
>>>>
>> No, for S14 it would have to have been only partially visible and have
>> only a single try scored ;-}
>>
>> William Clark
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> Had to stop trying to watch the game - what a farce - what happens in
> England when it's foggy - I can vaguely remember a game similar?
>
>
>
> *********************
>
> BrentC
Last time I was at a leicester game as bad as that was pre-league, a low
profile un-telivised freindly so they just played on.
I've never heard or seen of a similar fog bound game in the prem,
perhaps luck or where the grounds are positioned.
Mike
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| Re: Well done Sale [message #1037604 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 09:58 |
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Mr.Will wrote:
> I really enjoyed the game - totally outplayed Leicester - seemed like they
> got past all the conditions, the only time it showed was when people slipped
> on the turf etc.
>
> I remember someone posting that Sale's season might have been over after
> they got dumped out of the Euro cup and remember thinking he may be right,
> so it was good to see the league leaders and most inspired rugby I have seen
> in the Premiership prevail.
>
> Well done.
>
> Mr.Will
I'm afraid that Corry (hate to say it), Kay, Ellis and Rowntree
shouldn't be playing internationally any more. Varndell as has been
mentioned was not in the same league as Cueto, and Smith was invisible.
Hodgson and Barkely have 10 sewn up. Lund looks like a promising 7 -
good engine on him.
Moody has come in for some criticism, but I thought he was immense.
Trying to stop the Sale pack single handedly because your mates don't
look too bothered about it - it's not an easy ask, but christ he tried.
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| Re: Well done Sale [message #1037630 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 11:32 |
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simon s-b wrote:
> Mr.Will wrote:
>> I really enjoyed the game - totally outplayed Leicester - seemed like they
>> got past all the conditions, the only time it showed was when people slipped
>> on the turf etc.
>>
>> I remember someone posting that Sale's season might have been over after
>> they got dumped out of the Euro cup and remember thinking he may be right,
>> so it was good to see the league leaders and most inspired rugby I have seen
>> in the Premiership prevail.
>>
>> Well done.
>>
>> Mr.Will
>
> I'm afraid that Corry (hate to say it), Kay, Ellis and Rowntree
> shouldn't be playing internationally any more. Varndell as has been
> mentioned was not in the same league as Cueto, and Smith was invisible.
> Hodgson and Barkely have 10 sewn up. Lund looks like a promising 7 -
> good engine on him.
>
> Moody has come in for some criticism, but I thought he was immense.
> Trying to stop the Sale pack single handedly because your mates don't
> look too bothered about it - it's not an easy ask, but christ he tried.
>
I think Moody is going to be one of the first names on Robinson's
teamsheet until he packs it in.
I think Ellis and Kay still have plenty of games left for England,
Rowntree, as is usual for a prop, goes out quietly.....
Corry may come back for next season, but I think he's going to have to
be better than ever to hold off Sanderson, Moody, Lund, et al.
Be interesting to see if the 'final' GP results have any effect on
transfers now.
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| Re: Well done Sale [message #1037645 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 17:29 |
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Ben L wrote:
> simon s-b wrote:
> <snip>
> > I'm afraid that Corry (hate to say it), Kay, Ellis and Rowntree
> > shouldn't be playing internationally any more. Varndell as has been
> > mentioned was not in the same league as Cueto,
>
> That's maybe a little hasty. Varndell looked like he'd be told to play
> sevens on Sunday and it showed. I genuinely think some of how badly he
> played is related to the direction he was given. Perhaps I'm being
> charitable. It doesn't excuse the poor defensive positioning, but I
> think does excuse some of the reticence towards contact.
He's young and only in his first full season of Premiership rugby. I'm
sure the Leicester coaches are working on his defence, and am sure Mike
Ford will put some time in with him in Oz. Maybe best off starting his
international career as a supersub - didn't do Balshaw and Robinson any
harm starting out that way.
>
> Ellis? Who knows? He had a great game and then an awful one. He does
> have the air of a man waiting for a more complete international 9 to
> come along though.
He's been inconsistent for England throughout - flashes of promise but
never looked like being a consistent performer. My money's on Richards
to establish himself in Oz.
>
> Corry I just feel sorry for. He may be a little old, but he hasn't lost
> that much pace in a year. To me he has looked dog tired all season and
> it came as no surprise that he wasn't put forward for the summer tour.
> I'd like to see what a rest does for him before writing him off.
I feel sorry for him as well because he's always given his all,
sometimes (2005) holding things together virtually on his own. Can't
see a way back for him though. It's one thing keeping on veterans who
have been world class and can still bring the confidence, nous and
experience to inspire the rest of the team in their fading years.
Corry's problem is that throughout his prime he was second-choice
behind Hill, Dayglo, Back and others so doesn't even bring that aura of
past glories that others might.
>
> Rowntree I agree with. And White, who is always tagged with the
> "monster scrummager" label but seemingly unable to impose himself
> against front rows of any quality.
Luckily he's unlikely to come across any front rows of much quality
Down Under - expect them to be considerably better than in the autumn
but shouldn't have anything that White can't comfortably deal with.
>
> Kay is yesterday's man. His form isn't good enough, he's not fast,
> tough, dynamic or clever enough to outshine his leading contenders. In
> particular, he seems to have become a yellow card magnet, which
> suggests he is a liability to boot.
Bit harsh. He puts in plenty of hard work at the coal face, is a
useful lineout operator and gets about a bit in the loose.
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| Re: Well done Sale [message #1037648 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 17:48 |
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Ben L wrote:
> simon s-b wrote:
> <snip>
>
>>I'm afraid that Corry (hate to say it), Kay, Ellis and Rowntree
>>shouldn't be playing internationally any more. Varndell as has been
>>mentioned was not in the same league as Cueto,
>
>
> That's maybe a little hasty. Varndell looked like he'd be told to play
> sevens on Sunday and it showed. I genuinely think some of how badly he
> played is related to the direction he was given. Perhaps I'm being
> charitable. It doesn't excuse the poor defensive positioning, but I
> think does excuse some of the reticence towards contact.
>
> Ellis? Who knows? He had a great game and then an awful one. He does
> have the air of a man waiting for a more complete international 9 to
> come along though.
>
> Corry I just feel sorry for. He may be a little old, but he hasn't lost
> that much pace in a year. To me he has looked dog tired all season and
> it came as no surprise that he wasn't put forward for the summer tour.
> I'd like to see what a rest does for him before writing him off.
I still think he's the man for the RWC.
>
> Rowntree I agree with. And White, who is always tagged with the
> "monster scrummager" label but seemingly unable to impose himself
> against front rows of any quality.
I'm looking forward to the front row battle in Australia. It's not
beyond the realms of possibility that the English front row could be
under the cosh from the very team the papers ridiculed such a short time
ago.
>
> Kay is yesterday's man. His form isn't good enough, he's not fast,
> tough, dynamic or clever enough to outshine his leading contenders. In
> particular, he seems to have become a yellow card magnet, which
> suggests he is a liability to boot.
The only thing Kay has going for him is experience. In every other
aspect of play there's a number of players well ahead of him - it's one
area English rugby has been churning out good players in for some time now.
Later,
Sean
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| Re: Well done Sale [message #1037650 ] |
Di, 30 Mai 2006 18:05 |
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Sean Byrne wrote:
<snip>
> > Corry I just feel sorry for. He may be a little old, but he hasn't lost
> > that much pace in a year. To me he has looked dog tired all season and
> > it came as no surprise that he wasn't put forward for the summer tour.
> > I'd like to see what a rest does for him before writing him off.
>
> I still think he's the man for the RWC.
I do too: I wasn't clear enough - I think his woes are due to fatigue,
not age or talent.
<snip>
> I'm looking forward to the front row battle in Australia. It's not
> beyond the realms of possibility that the English front row could be
> under the cosh from the very team the papers ridiculed such a short time
> ago.
Quite possibly, but not if they choose to go with Baxter.
<snip>
> The only thing Kay has going for him is experience. In every other
> aspect of play there's a number of players well ahead of him - it's one
> area English rugby has been churning out good players in for some time now.
Agreed. I thjnk he's outclassed by a fair number too.
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