| World Club Championship [message #1036328] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 08:19 |
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Something just dawned on me this morning while being woken by that Billy
Connolly impersonator screaming the result of the HC on the radio. The
premier NH club comp and the premier SH club comp finish within a week of
each other. How long before someone sets up a showdown?
NH v SH battles have always been plagued by seasonal differences, this seems
ot be to prime opportunity to set up a global super grand final deluxe (of
course it would be a best of three to prevent any lucky dippyness lottery
factor).
The only problem I see is whether the NH would risk aloowing their champs to
be dicked every year by the Crusaders or the Brumbies :))
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| Re: World Club Championship [message #1036331 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 09:22 |
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Uncle Bully wrote:
> Something just dawned on me this morning while being woken by that
> Billy Connolly impersonator screaming the result of the HC on the
> radio. The premier NH club comp and the premier SH club comp finish
> within a week of each other. How long before someone sets up a
> showdown? NH v SH battles have always been plagued by seasonal
> differences,
> this seems ot be to prime opportunity to set up a global super grand
> final deluxe (of course it would be a best of three to prevent any
> lucky dippyness lottery factor).
> The only problem I see is whether the NH would risk aloowing their
> champs to be dicked every year by the Crusaders or the Brumbies :))
That would be preferable to listening to the Crusaders or the Brumbies fans
whingeing for the following 3 months.
--
Bully
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| Re: World Club Championship [message #1036336 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 09:58 |
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Uncle Bully wrote:
> Something just dawned on me this morning while being woken by that Billy
> Connolly impersonator screaming the result of the HC on the radio. The
> premier NH club comp and the premier SH club comp finish within a week of
> each other. How long before someone sets up a showdown?
> NH v SH battles have always been plagued by seasonal differences, this seems
> ot be to prime opportunity to set up a global super grand final deluxe (of
> course it would be a best of three to prevent any lucky dippyness lottery
> factor).
> The only problem I see is whether the NH would risk aloowing their champs to
> be dicked every year by the Crusaders or the Brumbies :))
>
This was being mooted five years ago after Leicesters HC cup wins of
2001. IIRC Peter Wheeler even started talks but it just faded away,
Wheeler seemed the prime mover but there wasn't a lot of enthusiasm
elsewhere, presumably because you'd have to get all nine unions involved
to sighn up to it. That said what chance the welsh scots or italians
ever being involved!
Perhaps adding another 3 games onto the end of a very long season would
be just too much. Leicester will have played 38 first team games by the
end of the season, had they got to the HC final it would have been 40
games and taken it into june. Though that does include 3 friendlies
(Connacht, Munster & Babarians) and the english season has more games
than any others.
I remember when the season finished in April unless you cot to the cup
final on the first sat in May!
Mike
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| Re: World Club Championship [message #1036341 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 10:45 |
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"Uncle Bully" <wakeupcall [at] optushome.com.au.REMOVE> wrote in message
news:44700695$1$25129$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
> Something just dawned on me this morning while being woken by that Billy
> Connolly impersonator screaming the result of the HC on the radio. The
> premier NH club comp and the premier SH club comp finish within a week of
> each other. How long before someone sets up a showdown?
> NH v SH battles have always been plagued by seasonal differences, this
> seems ot be to prime opportunity to set up a global super grand final
> deluxe (of course it would be a best of three to prevent any lucky
> dippyness lottery factor).
> The only problem I see is whether the NH would risk aloowing their champs
> to be dicked every year by the Crusaders or the Brumbies :))
>
I thought they did this once before - I went to Auckland vs Brive in 96 in
Brive. At the time it was billed as the unofficial club world championship.
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| Re: World Club Championship [message #1036342 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 10:47 |
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"Bollocks" <pcs_jg [at] hitmail.com> wrote in message
news:e4p9c2$54t$1 [at] news-02.connect.com.au...
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> "Uncle Bully" <wakeupcall [at] optushome.com.au.REMOVE> wrote in message
> news:44700695$1$25129$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
>> Something just dawned on me this morning while being woken by that Billy
>> Connolly impersonator screaming the result of the HC on the radio. The
>> premier NH club comp and the premier SH club comp finish within a week of
>> each other. How long before someone sets up a showdown?
>> NH v SH battles have always been plagued by seasonal differences, this
>> seems ot be to prime opportunity to set up a global super grand final
>> deluxe (of course it would be a best of three to prevent any lucky
>> dippyness lottery factor).
>> The only problem I see is whether the NH would risk aloowing their champs
>> to be dicked every year by the Crusaders or the Brumbies :))
>>
>
> I thought they did this once before - I went to Auckland vs Brive in 96 in
> Brive. At the time it was billed as the unofficial club world
> championship.
>
Sorry it was 97
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| Re: World Club Championship [message #1036345 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 11:51 |
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Uncle Bully wrote:
> Something just dawned on me this morning while being woken by that Billy
> Connolly impersonator screaming the result of the HC on the radio. The
> premier NH club comp and the premier SH club comp finish within a week of
> each other. How long before someone sets up a showdown?
I had a similar thought yesterday. It occured to me that the posturing
of the S14 needs to be put to the test. I'd quite like to see an annual
one-off match between the winners of the S14 and the winners of the HC.
Alternate the venues and make it the season opener, instead of at the
end.
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| Re: World Club Championship [message #1036353 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 12:25 |
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Martyn W wrote:
> Uncle Bully wrote:
> > Something just dawned on me this morning while being woken by that Billy
> > Connolly impersonator screaming the result of the HC on the radio. The
> > premier NH club comp and the premier SH club comp finish within a week of
> > each other. How long before someone sets up a showdown?
>
> I had a similar thought yesterday. It occured to me that the posturing
> of the S14 needs to be put to the test. I'd quite like to see an annual
> one-off match between the winners of the S14 and the winners of the HC.
> Alternate the venues and make it the season opener, instead of at the
> end.
Think it would be more of a money spinner than anything meaningful.
Home advantage would be huge given the travel involved. If held at the
end of the season it risks injuring/fatiguing players. If held at the
start of the season it becomes even more of a lottery as neither side
will have any kind of form.
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| Re: World Club Championship [message #1036355 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 13:01 |
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"Rookie" <simon__carter [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148207115.949539.315320 [at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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> Martyn W wrote:
>> Uncle Bully wrote:
>> > Something just dawned on me this morning while being woken by that
>> > Billy
>> > Connolly impersonator screaming the result of the HC on the radio. The
>> > premier NH club comp and the premier SH club comp finish within a week
>> > of
>> > each other. How long before someone sets up a showdown?
>>
>> I had a similar thought yesterday. It occured to me that the posturing
>> of the S14 needs to be put to the test. I'd quite like to see an annual
>> one-off match between the winners of the S14 and the winners of the HC.
>> Alternate the venues and make it the season opener, instead of at the
>> end.
>
> Think it would be more of a money spinner than anything meaningful.
> Home advantage would be huge given the travel involved. If held at the
> end of the season it risks injuring/fatiguing players. If held at the
> start of the season it becomes even more of a lottery as neither side
> will have any kind of form.
and besides - what would it really prove? That the ex Super 12/14 players
topping up their pension funds in europe are too slow to cut it against the
current crop? or that the SH would trounce the NH.
We knew that already.
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| Re: World Club Championship [message #1036357 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 13:14 |
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"Rookie" <simon__carter [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148207115.949539.315320 [at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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> Martyn W wrote:
>> Uncle Bully wrote:
>> > Something just dawned on me this morning while being woken by that
>> > Billy
>> > Connolly impersonator screaming the result of the HC on the radio. The
>> > premier NH club comp and the premier SH club comp finish within a week
>> > of
>> > each other. How long before someone sets up a showdown?
>>
>> I had a similar thought yesterday. It occured to me that the posturing
>> of the S14 needs to be put to the test. I'd quite like to see an annual
>> one-off match between the winners of the S14 and the winners of the HC.
>> Alternate the venues and make it the season opener, instead of at the
>> end.
>
> Think it would be more of a money spinner than anything meaningful.
> Home advantage would be huge given the travel involved. If held at the
> end of the season it risks injuring/fatiguing players. If held at the
> start of the season it becomes even more of a lottery as neither side
> will have any kind of form.
>
Like they do in league .... the timing of end of S14 and after HC decided is
a good one ...
They could alternate the venues each year ...
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| Re: World Club Championship [message #1036364 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 15:36 |
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correct aukland won on that day.
"Bollocks" <pcs_jg [at] hitmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Bollocks" <pcs_jg [at] hitmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e4p9c2$54t$1 [at] news-02.connect.com.au...
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>> "Uncle Bully" <wakeupcall [at] optushome.com.au.REMOVE> wrote in message
>> news:44700695$1$25129$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
>>> Something just dawned on me this morning while being woken by that Billy
>>> Connolly impersonator screaming the result of the HC on the radio. The
>>> premier NH club comp and the premier SH club comp finish within a week
>>> of each other. How long before someone sets up a showdown?
>>> NH v SH battles have always been plagued by seasonal differences, this
>>> seems ot be to prime opportunity to set up a global super grand final
>>> deluxe (of course it would be a best of three to prevent any lucky
>>> dippyness lottery factor).
>>> The only problem I see is whether the NH would risk aloowing their
>>> champs to be dicked every year by the Crusaders or the Brumbies :))
>>>
>>
>> I thought they did this once before - I went to Auckland vs Brive in 96
>> in Brive. At the time it was billed as the unofficial club world
>> championship.
>>
> Sorry it was 97
>
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| Re: World Club Championship [message #1036365 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 15:56 |
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Bollocks wrote:
>
> and besides - what would it really prove? That the ex Super 12/14 players
> topping up their pension funds in europe are too slow to cut it against the
> current crop? or that the SH would trounce the NH.
>
> We knew that already.
So you keep saying. I think the S14 should be given the chance to put
up, because there's no chance you're going to shut up.
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| Re: World Club Championship [message #1036366 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 16:16 |
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Rock2006 wrote:
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> Like they do in league .... the timing of end of S14 and after HC decided is
> a good one ...
> They could alternate the venues each year ...
>
>
Or hold it in Dubai (with fewer spectators then off course).
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| Re: World Club Championship [message #1036368 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 16:47 |
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"Uncle Bully" <wakeupcall [at] optushome.com.au.REMOVE> wrote in message
news:44700695$1$25129$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
> Something just dawned on me this morning while being woken by that Billy
> Connolly impersonator screaming the result of the HC on the radio. The
> premier NH club comp and the premier SH club comp finish within a week of
> each other. How long before someone sets up a showdown?
> NH v SH battles have always been plagued by seasonal differences, this
> seems ot be to prime opportunity to set up a global super grand final
> deluxe (of course it would be a best of three to prevent any lucky
> dippyness lottery factor).
> The only problem I see is whether the NH would risk aloowing their champs
> to be dicked every year by the Crusaders or the Brumbies :))
>
>
Wasn't there some talk from Serge Balcno et al. to make a 'super league'
type competition above the level of the Heineken Cup, with the premier
European clubs (Tolouse, Stade Francais, Leicester, Wasps, Lanelli .....)
stepping out of their national leagues and playing 'the top clubs'. Wouldn't
be too much of a stretch for the top half of the Super 14's to fit into with
this format, would be a huge money spinner, limiting factor in the Uk is the
size of the stadia, Leicester regularly at capacity already, but a game v
the Hurricanes or the Waratah's would take the interest outside of their
usual fan base, maybe play it at local soccer ground? Obviousl stumbling
block to this would be the nightmare travel schedule, and the 'dead time'
for the clubs while they were 'on tour' for 3 - 4 weeks at a stretch.
I can just imagine Leicester v Brumbies on a frozen February, lashing rain,
and all the Brumbies would be walking onto the park decked out like Michelin
men against the cold...!
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| Re: World Club Championship [message #1036376 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 17:34 |
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Rookie wrote:
> Martyn W wrote:
>> Uncle Bully wrote:
>>> Something just dawned on me this morning while being woken by that Billy
>>> Connolly impersonator screaming the result of the HC on the radio. The
>>> premier NH club comp and the premier SH club comp finish within a week of
>>> each other. How long before someone sets up a showdown?
>> I had a similar thought yesterday. It occured to me that the posturing
>> of the S14 needs to be put to the test. I'd quite like to see an annual
>> one-off match between the winners of the S14 and the winners of the HC.
>> Alternate the venues and make it the season opener, instead of at the
>> end.
>
> Think it would be more of a money spinner than anything meaningful.
> Home advantage would be huge given the travel involved. If held at the
> end of the season it risks injuring/fatiguing players. If held at the
> start of the season it becomes even more of a lottery as neither side
> will have any kind of form.
>
Why not a neutral venue? The millennium stadium or murrayfield could be
booked alternate years ;-).
Mike
Mike
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| Re: World Club Championship [message #1036377 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 17:36 |
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On Sun, 21 May 2006 16:19:30 +1000, "Uncle Bully"
<wakeupcall [at] optushome.com.au.REMOVE> wrote:
>Something just dawned on me this morning while being woken by that Billy
>Connolly impersonator screaming the result of the HC on the radio. The
>premier NH club comp and the premier SH club comp finish within a week of
>each other.
Strictly speaking, it's the premier NH club/franchise/province comp
and the premier SH franchise/state/territory comp.
Charlie
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| Re: World Club Championship [message #1036379 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 17:40 |
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Jon.R wrote:
> "Uncle Bully" <wakeupcall [at] optushome.com.au.REMOVE> wrote in message
> news:44700695$1$25129$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
>> Something just dawned on me this morning while being woken by that Billy
>> Connolly impersonator screaming the result of the HC on the radio. The
>> premier NH club comp and the premier SH club comp finish within a week of
>> each other. How long before someone sets up a showdown?
>> NH v SH battles have always been plagued by seasonal differences, this
>> seems ot be to prime opportunity to set up a global super grand final
>> deluxe (of course it would be a best of three to prevent any lucky
>> dippyness lottery factor).
>> The only problem I see is whether the NH would risk aloowing their champs
>> to be dicked every year by the Crusaders or the Brumbies :))
>>
>>
>
> Wasn't there some talk from Serge Balcno et al. to make a 'super league'
> type competition above the level of the Heineken Cup, with the premier
> European clubs (Tolouse, Stade Francais, Leicester, Wasps, Lanelli .....)
> stepping out of their national leagues and playing 'the top clubs'. Wouldn't
> be too much of a stretch for the top half of the Super 14's to fit into with
> this format, would be a huge money spinner, limiting factor in the Uk is the
> size of the stadia, Leicester regularly at capacity already, but a game v
> the Hurricanes or the Waratah's would take the interest outside of their
> usual fan base, maybe play it at local soccer ground? Obviousl stumbling
> block to this would be the nightmare travel schedule, and the 'dead time'
> for the clubs while they were 'on tour' for 3 - 4 weeks at a stretch.
>
> I can just imagine Leicester v Brumbies on a frozen February, lashing rain,
> and all the Brumbies would be walking onto the park decked out like Michelin
> men against the cold...!
February? That was april mate!
The stumbling block is the sheer number of competitions, english cubs
would have to drop the powergen to squeeze it in. Of course it would
devalue the GP and HC and I can't see them being to co-operative about
scheduling.
Mike
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| Re: World Club Championship [message #1036385 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 19:23 |
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Uncle Bully wrote:
> Something just dawned on me this morning while being woken by that Billy
> Connolly impersonator screaming the result of the HC on the radio. The
> premier NH club comp and the premier SH club comp finish within a week of
> each other. How long before someone sets up a showdown?
> NH v SH battles have always been plagued by seasonal differences, this seems
> ot be to prime opportunity to set up a global super grand final deluxe (of
> course it would be a best of three to prevent any lucky dippyness lottery
> factor).
> The only problem I see is whether the NH would risk aloowing their champs to
> be dicked every year by the Crusaders or the Brumbies :))
Did the Brumies even make the semi's this year? Top 5?
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| Re: World Club Championship [message #1036386 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 19:30 |
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>Mike blatthered
> Why not a neutral venue? The millennium stadium or murrayfield could be
> booked alternate years ;-).
Ho effin ho
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| Re: World Club Championship [message #1036393 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 23:44 |
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"Rookie" <simon__carter [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148207115.949539.315320 [at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Martyn W wrote:
>> Uncle Bully wrote:
>> > Something just dawned on me this morning while being woken by that
>> > Billy
>> > Connolly impersonator screaming the result of the HC on the radio. The
>> > premier NH club comp and the premier SH club comp finish within a week
>> > of
>> > each other. How long before someone sets up a showdown?
>>
>> I had a similar thought yesterday. It occured to me that the posturing
>> of the S14 needs to be put to the test. I'd quite like to see an annual
>> one-off match between the winners of the S14 and the winners of the HC.
>> Alternate the venues and make it the season opener, instead of at the
>> end.
>
> Think it would be more of a money spinner than anything meaningful.
> Home advantage would be huge given the travel involved. If held at the
> end of the season it risks injuring/fatiguing players.
You mean like any grand final that is held at the end of every season? One
extra game won't kill anyone.
> If held at the
> start of the season it becomes even more of a lottery as neither side
> will have any kind of form.
That's why it'd be at the end. Ideally 2 weeks after the local GFs to give
the travelling team time to for preparation.
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| Re: World Club Championship [message #1036416 ] |
Mon, 22 May 2006 04:50 |
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Uncle Bully wrote:
> "Rookie" <simon__carter [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1148207115.949539.315320 [at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Martyn W wrote:
> >> Uncle Bully wrote:
> >> > Something just dawned on me this morning while being woken by that
> >> > Billy
> >> > Connolly impersonator screaming the result of the HC on the radio. The
> >> > premier NH club comp and the premier SH club comp finish within a week
> >> > of
> >> > each other. How long before someone sets up a showdown?
> >>
> >> I had a similar thought yesterday. It occured to me that the posturing
> >> of the S14 needs to be put to the test. I'd quite like to see an annual
> >> one-off match between the winners of the S14 and the winners of the HC.
> >> Alternate the venues and make it the season opener, instead of at the
> >> end.
> >
> > Think it would be more of a money spinner than anything meaningful.
> > Home advantage would be huge given the travel involved. If held at the
> > end of the season it risks injuring/fatiguing players.
>
> You mean like any grand final that is held at the end of every season? One
> extra game won't kill anyone.
Unless Leinster end up playing the Hurricanes :)
Stex
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| Re: World Club Championship [message #1036445 ] |
Mon, 22 May 2006 08:32 |
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Stex wrote:
> Uncle Bully wrote:
> > "Rookie" <simon__carter [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1148207115.949539.315320 [at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > Martyn W wrote:
> > >> Uncle Bully wrote:
> > >> > Something just dawned on me this morning while being woken by that
> > >> > Billy
> > >> > Connolly impersonator screaming the result of the HC on the radio. The
> > >> > premier NH club comp and the premier SH club comp finish within a week
> > >> > of
> > >> > each other. How long before someone sets up a showdown?
> > >>
> > >> I had a similar thought yesterday. It occured to me that the posturing
> > >> of the S14 needs to be put to the test. I'd quite like to see an annual
> > >> one-off match between the winners of the S14 and the winners of the HC.
> > >> Alternate the venues and make it the season opener, instead of at the
> > >> end.
> > >
> > > Think it would be more of a money spinner than anything meaningful.
> > > Home advantage would be huge given the travel involved. If held at the
> > > end of the season it risks injuring/fatiguing players.
> >
> > You mean like any grand final that is held at the end of every season? One
> > extra game won't kill anyone.
>
> Unless Leinster end up playing the Hurricanes :)
Chortle.
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| Re: World Club Championship [message #1036459 ] |
Mon, 22 May 2006 10:15 |
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"Jon.R" <richards_family_tree [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> "Uncle Bully" <wakeupcall [at] optushome.com.au.REMOVE> wrote in message
> news:44700695$1$25129$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
>> Something just dawned on me this morning while being woken by that Billy
>> Connolly impersonator screaming the result of the HC on the radio. The
>> premier NH club comp and the premier SH club comp finish within a week of
>> each other. How long before someone sets up a showdown?
>> NH v SH battles have always been plagued by seasonal differences, this
>> seems ot be to prime opportunity to set up a global super grand final
>> deluxe (of course it would be a best of three to prevent any lucky
>> dippyness lottery factor).
>> The only problem I see is whether the NH would risk aloowing their champs
>> to be dicked every year by the Crusaders or the Brumbies :))
>>
>>
>
> Wasn't there some talk from Serge Balcno et al. to make a 'super league'
> type competition above the level of the Heineken Cup, with the premier
> European clubs (Tolouse, Stade Francais, Leicester, Wasps, Lanelli .....)
> stepping out of their national leagues and playing 'the top clubs'.
> Wouldn't be too much of a stretch for the top half of the Super 14's to
> fit into with this format, would be a huge money spinner, limiting factor
> in the Uk is the size of the stadia, Leicester regularly at capacity
> already, but a game v the Hurricanes or the Waratah's would take the
> interest outside of their usual fan base, maybe play it at local soccer
> ground? Obviousl stumbling block to this would be the nightmare travel
> schedule, and the 'dead time' for the clubs while they were 'on tour' for
> 3 - 4 weeks at a stretch.
>
> I can just imagine Leicester v Brumbies on a frozen February, lashing
> rain, and all the Brumbies would be walking onto the park decked out like
> Michelin men against the cold...!
>
You been to Canberra in the winter Jon? A S12 final held there had snow on
the field.
Cheers, aMtt
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| Re: World Club Championship [message #1036547 ] |
Mon, 22 May 2006 19:15 |
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Martyn W wrote:
>> Mike blatthered
>> Why not a neutral venue? The millennium stadium or murrayfield could be
>> booked alternate years ;-).
>
> Ho effin ho
>
My apologies martyn.
Mike
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