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| Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036276] |
Sat, 20 May 2006 19:10 |
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A great game, if only for the passion of the crowd in Cardiff. Muster
held on to win 23-19 after a nailbiting finish.
Early try by Bobo, looked to be in touch, but given anyway. Muster
opted to kick for the corner twice instead of kicking for goal - I
thought it was the wrong option given the Biarritz defence, but
Halstead scored for Munster after sustained pressure, and this was the
turning point imo. Stringer scored a cheeky try - going blind and
completely surprising Betson.
No tries in the 2nd half, but stirling work from the Munster forwards
thwarted the Biarritz pressure.Stole a few lineouts, turned over some
ball - everyone tackled well. I thought O'Gara might give it away at
the end with some wrong options, but he was spared the blushes by his
team-mates. Skinner deservedly won MOM.
Oh to be in Cork tonight.
Richard Bridgman
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036277 ] |
Sat, 20 May 2006 20:31 |
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Richard Bridgman wrote:
> A great game, if only for the passion of the crowd in Cardiff. Muster
> held on to win 23-19 after a nailbiting finish.
>
> Early try by Bobo, looked to be in touch, but given anyway. Muster
> opted to kick for the corner twice instead of kicking for goal - I
> thought it was the wrong option given the Biarritz defence, but
> Halstead scored for Munster after sustained pressure, and this was the
> turning point imo. Stringer scored a cheeky try - going blind and
> completely surprising Betson.
>
> No tries in the 2nd half, but stirling work from the Munster forwards
> thwarted the Biarritz pressure.Stole a few lineouts, turned over some
> ball - everyone tackled well. I thought O'Gara might give it away at
> the end with some wrong options, but he was spared the blushes by his
> team-mates. Skinner deservedly won MOM.
>
> Oh to be in Cork tonight.
Why? There's no-one left there, they're all here.
As an exhibition of rugby, it probably didn't live up to the standards
expected by our friends from down south, but as theatre... well, it
bettered anything I've see this year.
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036281 ] |
Sat, 20 May 2006 20:49 |
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Martyn W wrote:
> Richard Bridgman wrote:
>> A great game, if only for the passion of the crowd in Cardiff. Muster
>> held on to win 23-19 after a nailbiting finish.
>>
>> Early try by Bobo, looked to be in touch, but given anyway. Muster
>> opted to kick for the corner twice instead of kicking for goal - I
>> thought it was the wrong option given the Biarritz defence, but
>> Halstead scored for Munster after sustained pressure, and this was the
>> turning point imo. Stringer scored a cheeky try - going blind and
>> completely surprising Betson.
>>
>> No tries in the 2nd half, but stirling work from the Munster forwards
>> thwarted the Biarritz pressure.Stole a few lineouts, turned over some
>> ball - everyone tackled well. I thought O'Gara might give it away at
>> the end with some wrong options, but he was spared the blushes by his
>> team-mates. Skinner deservedly won MOM.
>>
>> Oh to be in Cork tonight.
>
> Why? There's no-one left there, they're all here.
>
> As an exhibition of rugby, it probably didn't live up to the standards
> expected by our friends from down south, but as theatre... well, it
> bettered anything I've see this year.
>
Didn't sound short of drama that's for sure. I heard the first try was
perfectly in-field, if a little close, no doubt others saw it differently.
I couldn't get too excited about it given that Munster put up less of a
fight than Matua in the Blue Oyster when they played Glasgow earlier
this season, I thought the French would walk it....
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036283 ] |
Sat, 20 May 2006 21:01 |
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Martyn W wrote:
> Richard Bridgman wrote:
>> A great game, if only for the passion of the crowd in Cardiff. Muster
>> held on to win 23-19 after a nailbiting finish.
>>
>> Early try by Bobo, looked to be in touch, but given anyway. Muster
>> opted to kick for the corner twice instead of kicking for goal - I
>> thought it was the wrong option given the Biarritz defence, but
>> Halstead scored for Munster after sustained pressure, and this was the
>> turning point imo. Stringer scored a cheeky try - going blind and
>> completely surprising Betson.
>>
>> No tries in the 2nd half, but stirling work from the Munster forwards
>> thwarted the Biarritz pressure.Stole a few lineouts, turned over some
>> ball - everyone tackled well. I thought O'Gara might give it away at
>> the end with some wrong options, but he was spared the blushes by his
>> team-mates. Skinner deservedly won MOM.
>>
>> Oh to be in Cork tonight.
>
> Why? There's no-one left there, they're all here.
What all of them?
The scenes Sky showed from Limerick etc. were pretty impressive.
>
> As an exhibition of rugby, it probably didn't live up to the standards
> expected by our friends from down south, but as theatre... well, it
> bettered anything I've see this year.
>
A fair assessment. If Irish do the treble over Gloucester tomorrow, I
may not make it to work until Wednesday.
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Andy
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036284 ] |
Sat, 20 May 2006 21:03 |
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didgerman wrote:
> Martyn W wrote:
>> Richard Bridgman wrote:
>>> A great game, if only for the passion of the crowd in Cardiff. Muster
>>> held on to win 23-19 after a nailbiting finish.
>>>
>>> Early try by Bobo, looked to be in touch, but given anyway. Muster
>>> opted to kick for the corner twice instead of kicking for goal - I
>>> thought it was the wrong option given the Biarritz defence, but
>>> Halstead scored for Munster after sustained pressure, and this was the
>>> turning point imo. Stringer scored a cheeky try - going blind and
>>> completely surprising Betson.
>>>
>>> No tries in the 2nd half, but stirling work from the Munster forwards
>>> thwarted the Biarritz pressure.Stole a few lineouts, turned over some
>>> ball - everyone tackled well. I thought O'Gara might give it away at
>>> the end with some wrong options, but he was spared the blushes by his
>>> team-mates. Skinner deservedly won MOM.
>>>
>>> Oh to be in Cork tonight.
>>
>> Why? There's no-one left there, they're all here.
>>
>> As an exhibition of rugby, it probably didn't live up to the standards
>> expected by our friends from down south, but as theatre... well, it
>> bettered anything I've see this year.
>>
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> Didn't sound short of drama that's for sure. I heard the first try was
> perfectly in-field, if a little close, no doubt others saw it differently.
Only everyone who watched the replays. Both feet touched the line.
> I couldn't get too excited about it given that Munster put up less of a
> fight than Matua in the Blue Oyster when they played Glasgow earlier
> this season, I thought the French would walk it....
Well leaving Matua's proclivities aside, the game against Leinster
should have been something of an indication of what you could expect.
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Andy
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036285 ] |
Sat, 20 May 2006 21:08 |
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Andy Mulhearn wrote:
> Martyn W wrote:
> > Why? There's no-one left there, they're all here.
> What all of them?
> The scenes Sky showed from Limerick etc. were pretty impressive.
How do you know that was from Limerick, eh? Because Sky told you? And
you believe EVERYTHING Sky tells you? Have a look at LimerickCam - it
will show deserted streets patrolled by envious policemen, CorkCam is
worse, even the Gard=E9 have left.
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036287 ] |
Sat, 20 May 2006 21:14 |
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Andy Mulhearn wrote:
> didgerman wrote:
>> Martyn W wrote:
>>> Richard Bridgman wrote:
>>>> A great game, if only for the passion of the crowd in Cardiff. Muster
>>>> held on to win 23-19 after a nailbiting finish.
>>>>
>>>> Early try by Bobo, looked to be in touch, but given anyway. Muster
>>>> opted to kick for the corner twice instead of kicking for goal - I
>>>> thought it was the wrong option given the Biarritz defence, but
>>>> Halstead scored for Munster after sustained pressure, and this was the
>>>> turning point imo. Stringer scored a cheeky try - going blind and
>>>> completely surprising Betson.
>>>>
>>>> No tries in the 2nd half, but stirling work from the Munster forwards
>>>> thwarted the Biarritz pressure.Stole a few lineouts, turned over some
>>>> ball - everyone tackled well. I thought O'Gara might give it away at
>>>> the end with some wrong options, but he was spared the blushes by his
>>>> team-mates. Skinner deservedly won MOM.
>>>>
>>>> Oh to be in Cork tonight.
>>>
>>> Why? There's no-one left there, they're all here.
>>>
>>> As an exhibition of rugby, it probably didn't live up to the standards
>>> expected by our friends from down south, but as theatre... well, it
>>> bettered anything I've see this year.
>>>
>>
>> Didn't sound short of drama that's for sure. I heard the first try was
>> perfectly in-field, if a little close, no doubt others saw it
>> differently.
>
> Only everyone who watched the replays. Both feet touched the line.
Maybe it was that super slippery Cardiff turf?
>
>> I couldn't get too excited about it given that Munster put up less of
>> a fight than Matua in the Blue Oyster when they played Glasgow earlier
>> this season, I thought the French would walk it....
>
> Well leaving Matua's proclivities aside, the game against Leinster
> should have been something of an indication of what you could expect.
Well, now that you mention it, Glasgow recently played Leinster and they
were worse than Munster were before....
Funny old game innit....
>
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036290 ] |
Sat, 20 May 2006 22:12 |
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Martyn W wrote:
> Andy Mulhearn wrote:
>> Martyn W wrote:
>
>>> Why? There's no-one left there, they're all here.
>> What all of them?
>> The scenes Sky showed from Limerick etc. were pretty impressive.
>
> How do you know that was from Limerick, eh? Because Sky told you? And
> you believe EVERYTHING Sky tells you? Have a look at LimerickCam - it
> will show deserted streets patrolled by envious policemen, CorkCam is
> worse, even the Gardé have left.
>
Never mind that, have a look at Glasgow cam, it's been nicked.....
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036294 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 00:35 |
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Richard Bridgman wrote:
> A great game, if only for the passion of the crowd in Cardiff. Muster
> held on to win 23-19 after a nailbiting finish.
>
> Early try by Bobo, looked to be in touch, but given anyway. Muster
> opted to kick for the corner twice instead of kicking for goal - I
> thought it was the wrong option given the Biarritz defence, but
> Halstead scored for Munster after sustained pressure, and this was the
> turning point imo. Stringer scored a cheeky try - going blind and
> completely surprising Betson.
>
> No tries in the 2nd half, but stirling work from the Munster forwards
> thwarted the Biarritz pressure.Stole a few lineouts, turned over some
> ball - everyone tackled well. I thought O'Gara might give it away at
> the end with some wrong options, but he was spared the blushes by his
> team-mates. Skinner deservedly won MOM.
>
> Oh to be in Cork tonight.
>
>
> Richard Bridgman
>
Missed the game but glad Munster won
As a Shark supporter I am keen to know how my ex Sharks played
Trevor Halstead and Shaun Payne?
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036309 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 02:37 |
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"Martyn W" <ukhamlet [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148152086.625254.188980 [at] 38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Andy Mulhearn wrote:
> Martyn W wrote:
> > Why? There's no-one left there, they're all here.
> What all of them?
> The scenes Sky showed from Limerick etc. were pretty impressive.
How do you know that was from Limerick, eh? Because Sky told you? And
you believe EVERYTHING Sky tells you? Have a look at LimerickCam - it
will show deserted streets patrolled by envious policemen, CorkCam is
worse, even the Gardé have left.
I was in the US the other week and they had the mayor of Limerick on CNN, he
was worried that the Irish census is being run this weekend, and with the
Munster match and a Hurling match in Dublin the same weekend that Limerick
will (for tonight only) not have enough people sleeping there to qualify as
a city. Apparently some of the EU slush fund is riding on it and he sounded
quite anxious......for an Irishman!
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036310 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 02:21 |
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Dave (SA) wrote:
> Richard Bridgman wrote:
>
>> A great game, if only for the passion of the crowd in Cardiff. Muster
>> held on to win 23-19 after a nailbiting finish.
>>
>> Early try by Bobo, looked to be in touch, but given anyway. Muster
>> opted to kick for the corner twice instead of kicking for goal - I
>> thought it was the wrong option given the Biarritz defence, but
>> Halstead scored for Munster after sustained pressure, and this was the
>> turning point imo. Stringer scored a cheeky try - going blind and
>> completely surprising Betson.
>>
>> No tries in the 2nd half, but stirling work from the Munster forwards
>> thwarted the Biarritz pressure.Stole a few lineouts, turned over some
>> ball - everyone tackled well. I thought O'Gara might give it away at
>> the end with some wrong options, but he was spared the blushes by his
>> team-mates. Skinner deservedly won MOM.
>>
>> Oh to be in Cork tonight.
>>
>>
>> Richard Bridgman
>>
> Missed the game but glad Munster won
>
> As a Shark supporter I am keen to know how my ex Sharks played
> Trevor Halstead and Shaun Payne?
>
Halstead got the all important first try for Munster, bouncing his way
over through some hard hits. Somehow that seemed to set the rest of the
game for them. Prior to that, Biarritz were really up for it. Halstead
anchored the midfield and had a couple of other half-breaks. Payne had
a quiet game, seemed a bit unsure at times with his positioning, that
type of thing. Didn't really matter. Most of the game was played
between the 22s. Two well matched sides. The Stringer try reminded you
of the Dawson effort Lions vs. SA with the same result. It just won the
game - plain and simple.
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036315 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 03:12 |
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"didgerman" <didgerman [at] rfu.com> wrote in message
news:_wJbg.117$XR6.94 [at] newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> Martyn W wrote:
>> Richard Bridgman wrote:
>>> A great game, if only for the passion of the crowd in Cardiff. Muster
>>> held on to win 23-19 after a nailbiting finish.
>>>
>>> Early try by Bobo, looked to be in touch, but given anyway. Muster
>>> opted to kick for the corner twice instead of kicking for goal - I
>>> thought it was the wrong option given the Biarritz defence, but
>>> Halstead scored for Munster after sustained pressure, and this was the
>>> turning point imo. Stringer scored a cheeky try - going blind and
>>> completely surprising Betson.
>>>
>>> No tries in the 2nd half, but stirling work from the Munster forwards
>>> thwarted the Biarritz pressure.Stole a few lineouts, turned over some
>>> ball - everyone tackled well. I thought O'Gara might give it away at
>>> the end with some wrong options, but he was spared the blushes by his
>>> team-mates. Skinner deservedly won MOM.
>>>
>>> Oh to be in Cork tonight.
>>
>> Why? There's no-one left there, they're all here.
>>
>> As an exhibition of rugby, it probably didn't live up to the standards
>> expected by our friends from down south, but as theatre... well, it
>> bettered anything I've see this year.
>>
>
> Didn't sound short of drama that's for sure. I heard the first try was
> perfectly in-field, if a little close, no doubt others saw it differently.
> I couldn't get too excited about it given that Munster put up less of a
> fight than Matua in the Blue Oyster when they played Glasgow earlier this
> season, I thought the French would walk it....
Hey fuckwit, that's all you ever talk about, your beloved Blue Oyster Club
You must spend a lot of time there Didge. I think you parade your starfish
around at the Blue Oyster Club and then wait for the old Blue Veined Junket
Pump to smack you from behind. eh DICK FLICKER.
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036322 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 05:37 |
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In article <_wJbg.117$XR6.94 [at] newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>,
didgerman <didgerman [at] rfu.com> wrote:
> Martyn W wrote:
> > Richard Bridgman wrote:
> >> A great game, if only for the passion of the crowd in Cardiff. Muster
> >> held on to win 23-19 after a nailbiting finish.
> >>
> >> Early try by Bobo, looked to be in touch, but given anyway. Muster
> >> opted to kick for the corner twice instead of kicking for goal - I
> >> thought it was the wrong option given the Biarritz defence, but
> >> Halstead scored for Munster after sustained pressure, and this was the
> >> turning point imo. Stringer scored a cheeky try - going blind and
> >> completely surprising Betson.
> >>
> >> No tries in the 2nd half, but stirling work from the Munster forwards
> >> thwarted the Biarritz pressure.Stole a few lineouts, turned over some
> >> ball - everyone tackled well. I thought O'Gara might give it away at
> >> the end with some wrong options, but he was spared the blushes by his
> >> team-mates. Skinner deservedly won MOM.
> >>
> >> Oh to be in Cork tonight.
> >
> > Why? There's no-one left there, they're all here.
> >
> > As an exhibition of rugby, it probably didn't live up to the standards
> > expected by our friends from down south, but as theatre... well, it
> > bettered anything I've see this year.
> >
>
> Didn't sound short of drama that's for sure. I heard the first try was
> perfectly in-field, if a little close, no doubt others saw it differently.
> I couldn't get too excited about it given that Munster put up less of a
> fight than Matua in the Blue Oyster when they played Glasgow earlier
> this season, I thought the French would walk it....
No, sorry, the Biarritz try was clearly in touch, first with the outside
if the left foot, and then more clearly with the heel of the right. As
Scott Quinnell put it "what was Pearson watching - he certainly wasn't
looking at the feet".
Good thing it did not decide the outcome.
William Clark
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036354 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 12:56 |
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William A. T. Clark wrote:
> In article <_wJbg.117$XR6.94 [at] newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>,
> didgerman <didgerman [at] rfu.com> wrote:
>
>> Martyn W wrote:
>>> Richard Bridgman wrote:
>>>> A great game, if only for the passion of the crowd in Cardiff. Muster
>>>> held on to win 23-19 after a nailbiting finish.
>>>>
>>>> Early try by Bobo, looked to be in touch, but given anyway. Muster
>>>> opted to kick for the corner twice instead of kicking for goal - I
>>>> thought it was the wrong option given the Biarritz defence, but
>>>> Halstead scored for Munster after sustained pressure, and this was the
>>>> turning point imo. Stringer scored a cheeky try - going blind and
>>>> completely surprising Betson.
>>>>
>>>> No tries in the 2nd half, but stirling work from the Munster forwards
>>>> thwarted the Biarritz pressure.Stole a few lineouts, turned over some
>>>> ball - everyone tackled well. I thought O'Gara might give it away at
>>>> the end with some wrong options, but he was spared the blushes by his
>>>> team-mates. Skinner deservedly won MOM.
>>>>
>>>> Oh to be in Cork tonight.
>>> Why? There's no-one left there, they're all here.
>>>
>>> As an exhibition of rugby, it probably didn't live up to the standards
>>> expected by our friends from down south, but as theatre... well, it
>>> bettered anything I've see this year.
>>>
>> Didn't sound short of drama that's for sure. I heard the first try was
>> perfectly in-field, if a little close, no doubt others saw it differently.
>> I couldn't get too excited about it given that Munster put up less of a
>> fight than Matua in the Blue Oyster when they played Glasgow earlier
>> this season, I thought the French would walk it....
>
> No, sorry, the Biarritz try was clearly in touch, first with the outside
> if the left foot, and then more clearly with the heel of the right. As
> Scott Quinnell put it "what was Pearson watching - he certainly wasn't
> looking at the feet".
>
> Good thing it did not decide the outcome.
>
> William Clark
Yep, seems it was out. Not as much as that Irish winger who 'scored' at
Twickers, but out anyway....
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Sun, 21 May 2006 13:19 |
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In message <1148145050.338899.268260 [at] y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
Richard Bridgman <rhb919 [at] hotmail.com> writes
>Skinner deservedly won MOM.
Playing for Munch-ster presumably?
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Pete Devlin
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Sun, 21 May 2006 13:56 |
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In message <1148145050.338899.268260 [at] y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
Richard Bridgman <rhb919 [at] hotmail.com> writes
>A great game, if only for the passion of the crowd in Cardiff. Muster
>held on to win 23-19 after a nailbiting finish.
>
>Early try by Bobo, looked to be in touch, but given anyway. Muster
>opted to kick for the corner twice instead of kicking for goal - I
>thought it was the wrong option given the Biarritz defence, but
>Halstead scored for Munster after sustained pressure, and this was the
>turning point imo. Stringer scored a cheeky try - going blind and
>completely surprising Betson.
>
Quite astonishing - Betsen usually eats halfbacks for breakfast. Must
have had something to do with his uncharacteristically staying bound and
Stringer being too far away to trip up. Bobo 's moving to the open side
was a bloody daft thing to do. Serves him right!
>No tries in the 2nd half, but stirling work from the Munster forwards
>thwarted the Biarritz pressure.Stole a few lineouts, turned over some
>ball - everyone tackled well. I thought O'Gara might give it away at
>the end with some wrong options, but he was spared the blushes by his
>team-mates. Skinner deservedly won MOM.
>
Having lost a lot of weight and all of his hair?
>Oh to be in Cork tonight.
>
Or Limerick - Richard Harris would have been so proud.
>
>Richard Bridgman
>
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Peter
Ying tong iddle-i po!
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036373 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 17:03 |
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In article <THXbg.603$XR6.140 [at] newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>,
didgerman <didgerman [at] rfu.com> wrote:
> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > In article <_wJbg.117$XR6.94 [at] newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>,
> > didgerman <didgerman [at] rfu.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Martyn W wrote:
> >>> Richard Bridgman wrote:
> >>>> A great game, if only for the passion of the crowd in Cardiff. Muster
> >>>> held on to win 23-19 after a nailbiting finish.
> >>>>
> >>>> Early try by Bobo, looked to be in touch, but given anyway. Muster
> >>>> opted to kick for the corner twice instead of kicking for goal - I
> >>>> thought it was the wrong option given the Biarritz defence, but
> >>>> Halstead scored for Munster after sustained pressure, and this was the
> >>>> turning point imo. Stringer scored a cheeky try - going blind and
> >>>> completely surprising Betson.
> >>>>
> >>>> No tries in the 2nd half, but stirling work from the Munster forwards
> >>>> thwarted the Biarritz pressure.Stole a few lineouts, turned over some
> >>>> ball - everyone tackled well. I thought O'Gara might give it away at
> >>>> the end with some wrong options, but he was spared the blushes by his
> >>>> team-mates. Skinner deservedly won MOM.
> >>>>
> >>>> Oh to be in Cork tonight.
> >>> Why? There's no-one left there, they're all here.
> >>>
> >>> As an exhibition of rugby, it probably didn't live up to the standards
> >>> expected by our friends from down south, but as theatre... well, it
> >>> bettered anything I've see this year.
> >>>
> >> Didn't sound short of drama that's for sure. I heard the first try was
> >> perfectly in-field, if a little close, no doubt others saw it differently.
> >> I couldn't get too excited about it given that Munster put up less of a
> >> fight than Matua in the Blue Oyster when they played Glasgow earlier
> >> this season, I thought the French would walk it....
> >
> > No, sorry, the Biarritz try was clearly in touch, first with the outside
> > if the left foot, and then more clearly with the heel of the right. As
> > Scott Quinnell put it "what was Pearson watching - he certainly wasn't
> > looking at the feet".
> >
> > Good thing it did not decide the outcome.
> >
> > William Clark
>
> Yep, seems it was out. Not as much as that Irish winger who 'scored' at
> Twickers, but out anyway....
Yes, well if the TJ's are too blind to see this, perhaps we'll end up
with one of those "seeing eye" Cyclops things they have at Wimbledon to
detect balls that hit the line.
While on the subject of Dave "white stick and tin cup" Pearson, I
thought Chris White had a good game. Helped, of course, by two teams
that seemed more anxious to play Rugby than indulge in skullduggery, and
occasionally he allowed a little too much around the ruck and maul, but
he handled a big, highly charged, occasion very well, I thought.
William Clark
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Sun, 21 May 2006 17:38 |
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On Sun, 21 May 2006 10:56:51 GMT, didgerman <didgerman [at] rfu.com> wrote:
>Yep, seems it was out. Not as much as that Irish winger who 'scored' at
>Twickers, but out anyway....
What confused me is how nobody spotted that when Stringer took that
cheeky quick throw in, which led to Munster getting into the BO 22 on
the other side of the pitch, it was actually one of his own team that
had kicked the ball out...
Charlie
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036380 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 17:52 |
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William A. T. Clark wrote:
> In article <THXbg.603$XR6.140 [at] newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>,
> didgerman <didgerman [at] rfu.com> wrote:
>
>> William A. T. Clark wrote:
>>> In article <_wJbg.117$XR6.94 [at] newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>,
>>> didgerman <didgerman [at] rfu.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Martyn W wrote:
>>>>> Richard Bridgman wrote:
>>>>>> A great game, if only for the passion of the crowd in Cardiff. Muster
>>>>>> held on to win 23-19 after a nailbiting finish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Early try by Bobo, looked to be in touch, but given anyway. Muster
>>>>>> opted to kick for the corner twice instead of kicking for goal - I
>>>>>> thought it was the wrong option given the Biarritz defence, but
>>>>>> Halstead scored for Munster after sustained pressure, and this was the
>>>>>> turning point imo. Stringer scored a cheeky try - going blind and
>>>>>> completely surprising Betson.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No tries in the 2nd half, but stirling work from the Munster forwards
>>>>>> thwarted the Biarritz pressure.Stole a few lineouts, turned over some
>>>>>> ball - everyone tackled well. I thought O'Gara might give it away at
>>>>>> the end with some wrong options, but he was spared the blushes by his
>>>>>> team-mates. Skinner deservedly won MOM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh to be in Cork tonight.
>>>>> Why? There's no-one left there, they're all here.
>>>>>
>>>>> As an exhibition of rugby, it probably didn't live up to the standards
>>>>> expected by our friends from down south, but as theatre... well, it
>>>>> bettered anything I've see this year.
>>>>>
>>>> Didn't sound short of drama that's for sure. I heard the first try was
>>>> perfectly in-field, if a little close, no doubt others saw it differently.
>>>> I couldn't get too excited about it given that Munster put up less of a
>>>> fight than Matua in the Blue Oyster when they played Glasgow earlier
>>>> this season, I thought the French would walk it....
>>> No, sorry, the Biarritz try was clearly in touch, first with the outside
>>> if the left foot, and then more clearly with the heel of the right. As
>>> Scott Quinnell put it "what was Pearson watching - he certainly wasn't
>>> looking at the feet".
>>>
>>> Good thing it did not decide the outcome.
>>>
>>> William Clark
>> Yep, seems it was out. Not as much as that Irish winger who 'scored' at
>> Twickers, but out anyway....
>
> Yes, well if the TJ's are too blind to see this, perhaps we'll end up
> with one of those "seeing eye" Cyclops things they have at Wimbledon to
> detect balls that hit the line.
>
> While on the subject of Dave "white stick and tin cup" Pearson, I
> thought Chris White had a good game. Helped, of course, by two teams
> that seemed more anxious to play Rugby than indulge in skullduggery, and
> occasionally he allowed a little too much around the ruck and maul, but
> he handled a big, highly charged, occasion very well, I thought.
>
> William Clark
Those wendyball chappies are experimenting with a device suspended in
the middle of the ball, so as to survive impact. It will allow a
computer to accurately locate the ball within the pitch and tell if it
crossed the line and where. It may be ready for international
tournaments in a few yrs.
Of course forward passes could be detected as well, a little buzzer in
the refs hand could alert him to the forward pass. Of course the ref
could end up with vibration white finger at a NZ match.
Of course if rugby went that way it could eliminate the touch judges
alltogether, a video ref or two sat compfortably in the stands could
keep an eye out for skulduggary.
Mike
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036381 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 17:54 |
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Charlie Pearce wrote:
> What confused me is how nobody spotted that when Stringer took that
> cheeky quick throw in, which led to Munster getting into the BO 22 on
> the other side of the pitch, it was actually one of his own team that
> had kicked the ball out...
>
> Charlie
I beleive it touched a BO player attempting to charge it down.
Mike
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036382 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 17:56 |
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Peter Twydell wrote:
> Or Limerick - Richard Harris would have been so proud.
Blind drunk more like.
Mike
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036388 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 20:20 |
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Charlie Pearce wrote:
> On Sun, 21 May 2006 10:56:51 GMT, didgerman <didgerman [at] rfu.com> wrote:
>
>> Yep, seems it was out. Not as much as that Irish winger who 'scored' at
>> Twickers, but out anyway....
>
> What confused me is how nobody spotted that when Stringer took that
> cheeky quick throw in, which led to Munster getting into the BO 22 on
> the other side of the pitch, it was actually one of his own team that
> had kicked the ball out...
>
So it wasn't just me then. I have a feeling someone else tried that
earlier in the season, but didn't get away with it. Someone at Leinster
perhaps.
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Andy
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036390 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 21:57 |
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On Sun, 21 May 2006 12:56:21 +0100, Peter Twydell
<peter [at] nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <1148145050.338899.268260 [at] y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>Richard Bridgman <rhb919 [at] hotmail.com> writes
>>A great game, if only for the passion of the crowd in Cardiff. Muster
>>held on to win 23-19 after a nailbiting finish.
>>
>>Early try by Bobo, looked to be in touch, but given anyway. Muster
>>opted to kick for the corner twice instead of kicking for goal - I
>>thought it was the wrong option given the Biarritz defence, but
>>Halstead scored for Munster after sustained pressure, and this was the
>>turning point imo. Stringer scored a cheeky try - going blind and
>>completely surprising Betson.
>>
>Quite astonishing - Betsen usually eats halfbacks for breakfast. Must
>have had something to do with his uncharacteristically staying bound and
>Stringer being too far away to trip up. Bobo 's moving to the open side
>was a bloody daft thing to do. Serves him right!
Apparently his fly half tried telling him to get back in position, but
couldn't make himself heard over the Munster fans...
Charlie
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Sun, 21 May 2006 23:25 |
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036396 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 23:59 |
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Mike wrote:
> Those wendyball chappies are experimenting with a device suspended in
> the middle of the ball, so as to survive impact. It will allow a
> computer to accurately locate the ball within the pitch and tell if it
> crossed the line and where. It may be ready for international
> tournaments in a few yrs.
It's inevitable. Along with a laser grid over the pitch and a powerful
computer hooked up to the ref's sound feed. And the touch judges can go
back to monitoring foul play and waving flags whenthe computer tells
them a kick is over.
> Of course forward passes could be detected as well, a little buzzer in
> the refs hand could alert him to the forward pass. Of course the ref
> could end up with vibration white finger at a NZ match.
Is that a forward pass relative to the ground or relative to the passer?
-- rick boyd
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036403 ] |
Mon, 22 May 2006 01:16 |
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rick boyd wrote:
> Mike wrote:
>
>
>> Those wendyball chappies are experimenting with a device suspended in
>> the middle of the ball, so as to survive impact. It will allow a
>> computer to accurately locate the ball within the pitch and tell if it
>> crossed the line and where. It may be ready for international
>> tournaments in a few yrs.
>
> It's inevitable. Along with a laser grid over the pitch and a powerful
> computer hooked up to the ref's sound feed. And the touch judges can go
> back to monitoring foul play and waving flags whenthe computer tells
> them a kick is over.
>
>> Of course forward passes could be detected as well, a little buzzer in
>> the refs hand could alert him to the forward pass. Of course the ref
>> could end up with vibration white finger at a NZ match.
>
> Is that a forward pass relative to the ground or relative to the passer?
Something to do with moments about a point I believe - oh and whether
the pass was in line with or contra the earth's rotation as centripetal
force can have an effect as well... <drone>
regards
The Green Phantom
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| Re: Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036405 ] |
Mon, 22 May 2006 01:35 |
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On Sat, 20 May 2006 at 11:31:38 in rec.sport.rugby.union Martyn W wrote:
>
>Richard Bridgman wrote:
>>
>> Oh to be in Cork tonight.
>
>Why? There's no-one left there, they're all here.
>
The cars I saw heading back this morning were from all over Eire -
anywhere but Cork! Probably heading for the Pembroke and Fishguard
ferries. God help 'em on the Swansea-Cork ferry tonight after another
full day in Cardiff ..!
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Nogood Boyo
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036419 ] |
Mon, 22 May 2006 05:12 |
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In article <J00cg.3529$Dd1.1626 [at] newsfe1-win.ntli.net>,
Mike <diespammersdie [at] kiwifanboyssuck.com> wrote:
> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > In article <THXbg.603$XR6.140 [at] newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>,
> > didgerman <didgerman [at] rfu.com> wrote:
> >
> >> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> >>> In article <_wJbg.117$XR6.94 [at] newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>,
> >>> didgerman <didgerman [at] rfu.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Martyn W wrote:
> >>>>> Richard Bridgman wrote:
> >>>>>> A great game, if only for the passion of the crowd in Cardiff. Muster
> >>>>>> held on to win 23-19 after a nailbiting finish.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Early try by Bobo, looked to be in touch, but given anyway. Muster
> >>>>>> opted to kick for the corner twice instead of kicking for goal - I
> >>>>>> thought it was the wrong option given the Biarritz defence, but
> >>>>>> Halstead scored for Munster after sustained pressure, and this was the
> >>>>>> turning point imo. Stringer scored a cheeky try - going blind and
> >>>>>> completely surprising Betson.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No tries in the 2nd half, but stirling work from the Munster forwards
> >>>>>> thwarted the Biarritz pressure.Stole a few lineouts, turned over some
> >>>>>> ball - everyone tackled well. I thought O'Gara might give it away at
> >>>>>> the end with some wrong options, but he was spared the blushes by his
> >>>>>> team-mates. Skinner deservedly won MOM.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Oh to be in Cork tonight.
> >>>>> Why? There's no-one left there, they're all here.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As an exhibition of rugby, it probably didn't live up to the standards
> >>>>> expected by our friends from down south, but as theatre... well, it
> >>>>> bettered anything I've see this year.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Didn't sound short of drama that's for sure. I heard the first try was
> >>>> perfectly in-field, if a little close, no doubt others saw it
> >>>> differently.
> >>>> I couldn't get too excited about it given that Munster put up less of a
> >>>> fight than Matua in the Blue Oyster when they played Glasgow earlier
> >>>> this season, I thought the French would walk it....
> >>> No, sorry, the Biarritz try was clearly in touch, first with the outside
> >>> if the left foot, and then more clearly with the heel of the right. As
> >>> Scott Quinnell put it "what was Pearson watching - he certainly wasn't
> >>> looking at the feet".
> >>>
> >>> Good thing it did not decide the outcome.
> >>>
> >>> William Clark
> >> Yep, seems it was out. Not as much as that Irish winger who 'scored' at
> >> Twickers, but out anyway....
> >
> > Yes, well if the TJ's are too blind to see this, perhaps we'll end up
> > with one of those "seeing eye" Cyclops things they have at Wimbledon to
> > detect balls that hit the line.
> >
> > While on the subject of Dave "white stick and tin cup" Pearson, I
> > thought Chris White had a good game. Helped, of course, by two teams
> > that seemed more anxious to play Rugby than indulge in skullduggery, and
> > occasionally he allowed a little too much around the ruck and maul, but
> > he handled a big, highly charged, occasion very well, I thought.
> >
> > William Clark
>
> Those wendyball chappies are experimenting with a device suspended in
> the middle of the ball, so as to survive impact. It will allow a
> computer to accurately locate the ball within the pitch and tell if it
> crossed the line and where. It may be ready for international
> tournaments in a few yrs.
>
> Of course forward passes could be detected as well, a little buzzer in
> the refs hand could alert him to the forward pass. Of course the ref
> could end up with vibration white finger at a NZ match.
>
> Of course if rugby went that way it could eliminate the touch judges
> alltogether, a video ref or two sat compfortably in the stands could
> keep an eye out for skulduggary.
>
> Mike
Perhaps they could just dispense with the officials and equip all SH
watchers sitting at home with a clicker, and they could buzz in whenever
they thought they saw an infringement. That way we'd have the benefit of
10,000 experts on the Laws, rather than just three. They'd probably blow
the national grid out if they were playing England.
William Clark
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036431 ] |
Mon, 22 May 2006 07:00 |
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The Green Phantom wrote:
> rick boyd wrote:
>> Mike wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Those wendyball chappies are experimenting with a device suspended in
>>> the middle of the ball, so as to survive impact. It will allow a
>>> computer to accurately locate the ball within the pitch and tell if
>>> it crossed the line and where. It may be ready for international
>>> tournaments in a few yrs.
>>
>> It's inevitable. Along with a laser grid over the pitch and a powerful
>> computer hooked up to the ref's sound feed. And the touch judges can
>> go back to monitoring foul play and waving flags whenthe computer
>> tells them a kick is over.
>>
>>> Of course forward passes could be detected as well, a little buzzer
>>> in the refs hand could alert him to the forward pass. Of course the
>>> ref could end up with vibration white finger at a NZ match.
Only when playing the West Island.
>>
>> Is that a forward pass relative to the ground or relative to the passer?
>
> Something to do with moments about a point I believe - oh and whether
> the pass was in line with or contra the earth's rotation as centripetal
> force can have an effect as well... <drone>
>
> regards
>
> The Green Phantom
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036479 ] |
Mon, 22 May 2006 11:20 |
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Richard Bridgman wrote:
> I thought O'Gara might give it away at
> the end with some wrong options, but he was spared the blushes by his
> team-mates.
Despite the commentary team referring to him as 'Mr Cool', I thought
O'Gara had a poor game (goal-kicking excepted).
His option taking was poor and his kicking from hand not up to his usual
standard. A number of wayward kicks put his team under pressure, and
missing touch from a penalty when Munster desperately needed a breather
after soaking up a huge amount of pressure was criminal.
> Skinner deservedly won MOM.
Wonderful to see him play so well.
>
> Oh to be in Cork tonight.
Amazing scenes from the streets of Limerick during the game...
unbelievable support.
Later,
Sean
>
>
> Richard Bridgman
>
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036480 ] |
Mon, 22 May 2006 11:21 |
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Andy Mulhearn wrote:
> didgerman wrote:
>
>> Martyn W wrote:
>>
>>> Richard Bridgman wrote:
>>>
>>>> A great game, if only for the passion of the crowd in Cardiff. Muster
>>>> held on to win 23-19 after a nailbiting finish.
>>>>
>>>> Early try by Bobo, looked to be in touch, but given anyway. Muster
>>>> opted to kick for the corner twice instead of kicking for goal - I
>>>> thought it was the wrong option given the Biarritz defence, but
>>>> Halstead scored for Munster after sustained pressure, and this was the
>>>> turning point imo. Stringer scored a cheeky try - going blind and
>>>> completely surprising Betson.
>>>>
>>>> No tries in the 2nd half, but stirling work from the Munster forwards
>>>> thwarted the Biarritz pressure.Stole a few lineouts, turned over some
>>>> ball - everyone tackled well. I thought O'Gara might give it away at
>>>> the end with some wrong options, but he was spared the blushes by his
>>>> team-mates. Skinner deservedly won MOM.
>>>>
>>>> Oh to be in Cork tonight.
>>>
>>>
>>> Why? There's no-one left there, they're all here.
>>>
>>> As an exhibition of rugby, it probably didn't live up to the standards
>>> expected by our friends from down south, but as theatre... well, it
>>> bettered anything I've see this year.
>>>
>>
>> Didn't sound short of drama that's for sure. I heard the first try was
>> perfectly in-field, if a little close, no doubt others saw it
>> differently.
>
>
> Only everyone who watched the replays. Both feet touched the line.
Thought his left foot just touched the line, and his right heel narrowly
avoided it by virtue of it not quite touching the ground.
Later,
Sean
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036486 ] |
Mon, 22 May 2006 11:38 |
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Sean Byrne <byrne_sean_spamtrap [at] hotmail.com> writes:
> Richard Bridgman wrote:
>> I thought O'Gara might give it away at
>> the end with some wrong options, but he was spared the blushes by his
>> team-mates.
>
> Despite the commentary team referring to him as 'Mr Cool', I thought
> O'Gara had a poor game (goal-kicking excepted).
Blimey : I thought he had a blinder. His kicking from hand was spot
on. Mind you I was in the pub and might have missed his bad kicks. But
at least 2 difficult close-to-touchline kicks between the posts. Thought
he looked the business.
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036549 ] |
Mon, 22 May 2006 19:17 |
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Peter Twydell wrote:
> Quite astonishing - Betsen usually eats halfbacks for breakfast. Must
> have had something to do with his uncharacteristically staying bound and
> Stringer being too far away to trip up. Bobo 's moving to the open side
> was a bloody daft thing to do. Serves him right!
It was a move Stringer tried earlier in the season too, I'm surprised
BO weren't ready for it.
The Munster video team had noted Bobo tends to come off the blind side
when the opposition winger moves across, and as Stringer put the ball
in he said he saw Bobo inching across from the corner of his eye so he
said he'd give it a go.
Just back off the plane, and not well. My devious plans to smuggle vast
amounts of Welsh beer back across the Irish sea in my stomach didn't go
as planned, though at least I've made a new friend, one A. Shanks. The
number of people playing rugby up and down the streets of Cardiff that
night was amazing - I'd be surprised if no one was seriously injured.
In the pubs too - a TV crew came in to record some of the action in one
pub I was in and the camera man was hoisted up so high in a lineout
(without his consent or advance notice) his head nearly went through
the roof. It'd be great footage if he caught it, but he kinda seemed to
lack composure judging by the way his arms were flapping about. Also
one girl was hoisted up by her miniskirt, with predictable but very
interesting results.
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036553 ] |
Mon, 22 May 2006 19:38 |
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The Green Phantom wrote:
> rick boyd wrote:
>> Mike wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Those wendyball chappies are experimenting with a device suspended in
>>> the middle of the ball, so as to survive impact. It will allow a
>>> computer to accurately locate the ball within the pitch and tell if
>>> it crossed the line and where. It may be ready for international
>>> tournaments in a few yrs.
>>
>> It's inevitable. Along with a laser grid over the pitch and a powerful
>> computer hooked up to the ref's sound feed. And the touch judges can
>> go back to monitoring foul play and waving flags whenthe computer
>> tells them a kick is over.
>>
>>> Of course forward passes could be detected as well, a little buzzer
>>> in the refs hand could alert him to the forward pass. Of course the
>>> ref could end up with vibration white finger at a NZ match.
>>
>> Is that a forward pass relative to the ground or relative to the passer?
>
> Something to do with moments about a point I believe - oh and whether
> the pass was in line with or contra the earth's rotation as centripetal
> force can have an effect as well... <drone>
>
> regards
>
> The Green Phantom
Well my maths isn't up to it any more but by using and array of contacts
and pressure sensors on the ball to confirm it is 'in hand' the computer
could establish it's relative velocity prior to release. Using this
data, wind direction/speed (at pitch level), air pressure/density, the
direction of the earth's rotation in relation to the passers direction
of running and the pass , it should be possible to establish if the pass
was forward or if it was the balls momentum that carried it forward.
If all the players had a device mounted on their skull cap to measure
wind speed at the exact point the ball is on the field and plot the
players position more accurate results would be achieved. Equip the ref
with a HUD showing the gain line and players relative positions and even
offside decisions could be made accurately.
Of course this would mean all open sides would spend the match in the
bin and NZ would never score a try again.
If the props all had trackers inserted like a sepository the ref could
check body angles in the scrum and eliminate even more guess work from
his decision making. I understand matua has first dibs on the job of
inserting them.
Mike
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| Re: Munster v Biarritz HC final - Spáiler [message #1036589 ] |
Tue, 23 May 2006 03:35 |
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In article <e4rvn4$73i$1$8300dec7 [at] news.demon.co.uk>,
Sean Byrne <byrne_sean_spamtrap [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> Richard Bridgman wrote:
> > I thought O'Gara might give it away at
> > the end with some wrong options, but he was spared the blushes by his
> > team-mates.
>
> Despite the commentary team referring to him as 'Mr Cool', I thought
> O'Gara had a poor game (goal-kicking excepted).
Don't forget he had been in bed all week battling a flu bug. I think it
showed in the last 10 minutes of the game.
>
> His option taking was poor and his kicking from hand not up to his usual
> standard. A number of wayward kicks put his team under pressure, and
> missing touch from a penalty when Munster desperately needed a breather
> after soaking up a huge amount of pressure was criminal.
See above.
William Clark
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