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| Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035476] |
Tue, 30 May 2006 02:01 |
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I've used the rangefinder for about 2 1/2 weeks now, and I'm quite
satisfied with it.
It took a bit of practice, but it's now pretty easy to sight in on a
flag from under 200 yards. The rangefinder has a "scan" mode where, if
you can't hold a distance object, you can sweep the area and the range
will change. This is especially useful when sighting on a flag; if you
know about how far it is, it's easy to tell when the rangefinder is
catching the flag's distance, and the distance of the landscape behind.
I'm happy I bought it. There are other models and brands that are more
expensive, but for a basic rangefinder for use on driving ranges and
evaluating distances on the course, it seems to be the ticket.
Mike
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035496 ] |
Tue, 30 May 2006 04:56 |
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Mike Dalecki wrote:
> I've used the rangefinder for about 2 1/2 weeks now, and I'm quite
> satisfied with it.
>
> It took a bit of practice, but it's now pretty easy to sight in on a
> flag from under 200 yards. The rangefinder has a "scan" mode where, if
> you can't hold a distance object, you can sweep the area and the range
> will change. This is especially useful when sighting on a flag; if you
> know about how far it is, it's easy to tell when the rangefinder is
> catching the flag's distance, and the distance of the landscape behind.
>
> I'm happy I bought it. There are other models and brands that are more
> expensive, but for a basic rangefinder for use on driving ranges and
> evaluating distances on the course, it seems to be the ticket.
I have the same one, and now that I used it every time I play, I really
know my yardages well. One caveat is that I sometimes overthink club
selection, however.
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035527 ] |
Tue, 30 May 2006 17:37 |
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I've had the Igolf GPS Caddie for about 2 months now and love it. It cost
$230 for the unit. You can map courses yourself or pay $11 for a map credit
and can download the GPS course map. It's very simple to use, accurate
within 1-3 yards and my rechargeable AA batteries lasts over 3 rounds. I
end up paying the $11 per map cause I'm too lazy to map the courses myself.
Every course I've asked for, they've been able to map. Either way, I'm way
ahead of the other brand, Skycaddie, because with them the unit is $350 to
start, then you have to pay $45 for a one year suscription to the course
list, which isn't all that great. Plus, Skycaddie can only hold 15 courses
at a time, Igolf GPS Caddie can hold 50. The Igolf GPS caddie can hold 9
custom points(bunkers/water) per hole, while the Skycaddie can hold alot
more. I don't think I'll ever need more than 9 custom points. Anyway, I
love it and have been very happy with it. You can also measure off drives,
iron shots, anything during a round(so when you absolutely crush it you can
find out you only drove it 248 - haha). It's great and I can't imagine a
rangefinder would even compare. That's my 2cents anyway. Hope that helps.
"Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC [at] ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote in message
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> "Mike Dalecki" <mike [at] dalecki.net> wrote in message
> news:4e1gadF1c0dqfU1 [at] individual.net...
>> I've used the rangefinder for about 2 1/2 weeks now, and I'm quite
>> satisfied with it.
>>
>> It took a bit of practice, but it's now pretty easy to sight in on a
>> flag from under 200 yards. The rangefinder has a "scan" mode where, if
>> you can't hold a distance object, you can sweep the area and the range
>> will change. This is especially useful when sighting on a flag; if you
>> know about how far it is, it's easy to tell when the rangefinder is
>> catching the flag's distance, and the distance of the landscape behind.
>>
>> I'm happy I bought it. There are other models and brands that are more
>> expensive, but for a basic rangefinder for use on driving ranges and
>> evaluating distances on the course, it seems to be the ticket.
>>
>> Mike
>> --
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>> Mike Dalecki GCA Accredited Clubmaker http://clubdoctor.com
>> RSG-Wisconsin 2006: June 23-25 Info: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2006/
>> RSG-Wisconsin 2005 Pics: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2005/pics/
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> Thanks, Mike. When you get a chance I'd like a small favor. See if it is
> possible to target a golf ball in the range of 30 to 60 yards. I'm on the
> fence on the rangefinder vs. GPS device question. If it were possible to
> pick a golf ball just laying on the range as an intermediate wedge target,
> that would be a big plus for a rangefinder over GPS.
>
> Thanks.
>
> dave
>
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035533 ] |
Tue, 30 May 2006 17:54 |
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On Tue, 30 May 2006 11:37:02 -0400, "Mac3" <mid [at] ao.com> wrote:
>Plus, Skycaddie can only hold 15 courses
>at a time, Igolf GPS Caddie can hold 50.
In both cases, can you store courses on your computer when you're not
using them?
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035543 ] |
Tue, 30 May 2006 19:01 |
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Tue, 30 May 2006 11:37:02 -0400, "Mac3" <mid [at] ao.com> wrote:
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>>Plus, Skycaddie can only hold 15 courses
>>at a time, Igolf GPS Caddie can hold 50.
>
>
> In both cases, can you store courses on your computer when you're not
> using them?
>
with the Skycaddie the courses are stored on the Skycaddie website and
you can download them anytime you like. Btw, I have yet to find a course
that I was going to play that wasn't mapped by Skycaddie. I downloaded
all three courses we played at RSG-NW no problem and have every local
course that I play loaded.
Dave
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035553 ] |
Tue, 30 May 2006 19:48 |
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long&left wrote:
> Howard Brazee wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 May 2006 11:37:02 -0400, "Mac3" <mid [at] ao.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Plus, Skycaddie can only hold 15 courses at a time, Igolf GPS Caddie
>>> can hold 50.
>>
>>
>>
>> In both cases, can you store courses on your computer when you're not
>> using them?
>>
>
> with the Skycaddie the courses are stored on the Skycaddie website and
> you can download them anytime you like. Btw, I have yet to find a course
> that I was going to play that wasn't mapped by Skycaddie. I downloaded
> all three courses we played at RSG-NW no problem and have every local
> course that I play loaded.
> Dave
I have some question about the accuracy of SkyCaddie. Yesterday our pro
played in my group and was using his SkyCaddie. One thing is for
sure--it sure is easier than using the laser. All you have to do is
look at it and there you are. I like it.
My criticism of it is twofold: First, it's not that useful on a range. :)
Second, it didn't seem that accurate to me. You have to position where
you think the flag is on the green, and draw your yardage from that
estimate. Several times, the Skycaddie was 5 or 6 yards off from what
the laser said. And I'm reasonably sure the laser was right, since
another guy in the foursome also had a laser, and every time we both
shot the same flag, we were exactly the same. Not so the Skycaddie.
Now, you might say 5 or 6 yards isn't much, but on a wedge approach of,
say, 80 or 90 yards, it might well be.
Where I think a device like the Skycaddie shines is when you can't see
the pin. One shot yesterday was completely blocked by trees; the
SkyCaddie gave the yardage to the center, a figure that both of us would
have underestimated. By how much? The Skycaddie said 121 to green
center; we'd have guessed about 110.
That's why, IMO, these devices shouldn't be allowed in competitions. If
you don't have to guesstimate the yardage, it makes the penalty for a
wayward shot significantly less than it ought to be, IMO.
But that said, the view above didn't prevent me from buying a laser
rangefinder. :)
Mike
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035555 ] |
Tue, 30 May 2006 19:54 |
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Most amateurs should be playing middle middle of the green so the Sky Caddie
"guess" the pin isn't that much of a limitation.
"Mike Dalecki" <mike [at] dalecki.net> wrote in message
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> long&left wrote:
>> Howard Brazee wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 30 May 2006 11:37:02 -0400, "Mac3" <mid [at] ao.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Plus, Skycaddie can only hold 15 courses at a time, Igolf GPS Caddie
>>>> can hold 50.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In both cases, can you store courses on your computer when you're not
>>> using them?
>>>
>>
>> with the Skycaddie the courses are stored on the Skycaddie website and
>> you can download them anytime you like. Btw, I have yet to find a course
>> that I was going to play that wasn't mapped by Skycaddie. I downloaded
>> all three courses we played at RSG-NW no problem and have every local
>> course that I play loaded.
>> Dave
>
> I have some question about the accuracy of SkyCaddie. Yesterday our pro
> played in my group and was using his SkyCaddie. One thing is for sure--it
> sure is easier than using the laser. All you have to do is look at it and
> there you are. I like it.
>
> My criticism of it is twofold: First, it's not that useful on a range.
> :)
>
> Second, it didn't seem that accurate to me. You have to position where
> you think the flag is on the green, and draw your yardage from that
> estimate. Several times, the Skycaddie was 5 or 6 yards off from what the
> laser said. And I'm reasonably sure the laser was right, since another
> guy in the foursome also had a laser, and every time we both shot the same
> flag, we were exactly the same. Not so the Skycaddie.
>
> Now, you might say 5 or 6 yards isn't much, but on a wedge approach of,
> say, 80 or 90 yards, it might well be.
>
> Where I think a device like the Skycaddie shines is when you can't see the
> pin. One shot yesterday was completely blocked by trees; the SkyCaddie
> gave the yardage to the center, a figure that both of us would have
> underestimated. By how much? The Skycaddie said 121 to green center;
> we'd have guessed about 110.
>
> That's why, IMO, these devices shouldn't be allowed in competitions. If
> you don't have to guesstimate the yardage, it makes the penalty for a
> wayward shot significantly less than it ought to be, IMO.
>
> But that said, the view above didn't prevent me from buying a laser
> rangefinder. :)
>
> Mike
>
> --
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> Mike Dalecki GCA Accredited Clubmaker http://clubdoctor.com
> RSG-Wisconsin 2006: June 23-25 Info: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2006/
> RSG-Wisconsin 2005 Pics: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2005/pics/
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035566 ] |
Tue, 30 May 2006 21:45 |
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Mike Dalecki wrote:
> long&left wrote:
>
>> Howard Brazee wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 30 May 2006 11:37:02 -0400, "Mac3" <mid [at] ao.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Plus, Skycaddie can only hold 15 courses at a time, Igolf GPS Caddie
>>>> can hold 50.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In both cases, can you store courses on your computer when you're not
>>> using them?
>>>
>>
>> with the Skycaddie the courses are stored on the Skycaddie website and
>> you can download them anytime you like. Btw, I have yet to find a
>> course that I was going to play that wasn't mapped by Skycaddie. I
>> downloaded all three courses we played at RSG-NW no problem and have
>> every local course that I play loaded.
>> Dave
>
>
> I have some question about the accuracy of SkyCaddie. Yesterday our pro
> played in my group and was using his SkyCaddie. One thing is for
> sure--it sure is easier than using the laser. All you have to do is
> look at it and there you are. I like it.
>
> My criticism of it is twofold: First, it's not that useful on a range. :)
it's very useful on my driving range as all of the range flags and
features are a part of my course download for Cypress Ridge. When you
start it you have a choice of courses, then a choice to start at 1, 10,
or the driving range.
>
> Second, it didn't seem that accurate to me. You have to position where
> you think the flag is on the green, and draw your yardage from that
> estimate. Several times, the Skycaddie was 5 or 6 yards off from what
> the laser said. And I'm reasonably sure the laser was right, since
> another guy in the foursome also had a laser, and every time we both
> shot the same flag, we were exactly the same. Not so the Skycaddie.
before I got my Skycaddie at the first of the year I'd been here for two
years and have checked just about every sprinkler head with my laser
rangefinder for accuracy. And, with a couple of exceptions they were all
accurate. I can now stand on any sprinkler head and have the Skycaddie
read the same as the number on the head +/- a yd. I have confidence in
the output of mine.
>
> Now, you might say 5 or 6 yards isn't much, but on a wedge approach of,
> say, 80 or 90 yards, it might well be.
agreed, if that were the case. The laser is measuring to the flag and
the Skycaddie is measuring to the middle of the green (a point that
whomever set up the course determined was the middle of the green). You
have the ability to move the pin location on the Skycaddie screen to
approximately where you think the flag occurs on the green to get a
closer reading of where it is. I'd like to think that I can get the pin
position to within a couple of yds of where it really is and that's
close enough for me. I agree that a laser is more accurate in this case
but while you're getting your distance I've already hit my shot :)
>
> Where I think a device like the Skycaddie shines is when you can't see
> the pin. One shot yesterday was completely blocked by trees; the
> SkyCaddie gave the yardage to the center, a figure that both of us would
> have underestimated. By how much? The Skycaddie said 121 to green
> center; we'd have guessed about 110.
While I never miss a fairway (:-P I play with others that do and having
a yardage from where there are no other references is really handy.
>
> That's why, IMO, these devices shouldn't be allowed in competitions. If
> you don't have to guesstimate the yardage, it makes the penalty for a
> wayward shot significantly less than it ought to be, IMO.
I agree. They should be allowed for casual play but not in tournaments.
>
> But that said, the view above didn't prevent me from buying a laser
> rangefinder. :)
>
> Mike
>
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035584 ] |
Tue, 30 May 2006 22:39 |
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On Tue, 30 May 2006 12:45:35 -0700, long&left <nospam [at] diespammers.com>
wrote:
>> My criticism of it is twofold: First, it's not that useful on a range. :)
>
>it's very useful on my driving range as all of the range flags and
>features are a part of my course download for Cypress Ridge. When you
>start it you have a choice of courses, then a choice to start at 1, 10,
>or the driving range.
When you download a new course, does it include the new course's
driving range?
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035588 ] |
Tue, 30 May 2006 22:58 |
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Yes, you can "back up" all your courses on the computer.
I've mapped my local driving range myself. Pretty simple.
And my brother has the Skycaddie, and has advised that many course around
Dayton, OH and Toledo, Oh are not in their database. While those same
courses are available at Igolf for $11 a piece.
So I spent $230 on the Igolf GPS Caddie and $110 on 10 local maps for a
total of $340. Igolf has been able to map every course I've requested.
"Howard Brazee" <howard [at] brazee.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 30 May 2006 11:37:02 -0400, "Mac3" <mid [at] ao.com> wrote:
>
>>Plus, Skycaddie can only hold 15 courses
>>at a time, Igolf GPS Caddie can hold 50.
>
> In both cases, can you store courses on your computer when you're not
> using them?
>
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035591 ] |
Tue, 30 May 2006 23:12 |
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Mac3 wrote:
> I've had the Igolf GPS Caddie for about 2 months now and love it. It cost
> $230 for the unit. You can map courses yourself or pay $11 for a map credit
> and can download the GPS course map. It's very simple to use, accurate
> within 1-3 yards and my rechargeable AA batteries lasts over 3 rounds. I
> end up paying the $11 per map cause I'm too lazy to map the courses myself.
> Every course I've asked for, they've been able to map. Either way, I'm way
> ahead of the other brand, Skycaddie, because with them the unit is $350 to
> start, then you have to pay $45 for a one year suscription to the course
> list, which isn't all that great. Plus, Skycaddie can only hold 15 courses
> at a time, Igolf GPS Caddie can hold 50. The Igolf GPS caddie can hold 9
> custom points(bunkers/water) per hole, while the Skycaddie can hold alot
> more. I don't think I'll ever need more than 9 custom points. Anyway, I
> love it and have been very happy with it. You can also measure off drives,
> iron shots, anything during a round(so when you absolutely crush it you can
> find out you only drove it 248 - haha). It's great and I can't imagine a
> rangefinder would even compare. That's my 2cents anyway. Hope that helps.
>
Mac, thanks for the comments. I am sure that I've read somewhere than
the Skycaddie can only hold 3 points for courses that you map yourselp
- the fact that I read it doesn't mean that is is correct. Are you
relatively positive that the Skycaddie can deal with more than 3 points
per course for courses that you map yourself?
dave (typing from Google because Earthlink Usenet support is now worse
than about anything that I ever recall paying for).
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035605 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 00:42 |
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Mike Dalecki wrote:
> I've used the rangefinder for about 2 1/2 weeks now, and I'm quite
> satisfied with it.
>
> It took a bit of practice, but it's now pretty easy to sight in on a
> flag from under 200 yards. The rangefinder has a "scan" mode where, if
> you can't hold a distance object, you can sweep the area and the range
> will change. This is especially useful when sighting on a flag; if you
> know about how far it is, it's easy to tell when the rangefinder is
> catching the flag's distance, and the distance of the landscape behind.
>
> I'm happy I bought it. There are other models and brands that are more
> expensive, but for a basic rangefinder for use on driving ranges and
> evaluating distances on the course, it seems to be the ticket.
>
> Mike
> --
Of course, these are sure to be not permitted at RSG WI per the host.
<Mom> Or did you bring enough for everyone? </Mom>
;-)
Bob
Rancho Cucamonga, CA (but not for long)
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035609 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 00:55 |
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Tue, 30 May 2006 12:45:35 -0700, long&left <nospam [at] diespammers.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>My criticism of it is twofold: First, it's not that useful on a range. :)
>>
>>it's very useful on my driving range as all of the range flags and
>>features are a part of my course download for Cypress Ridge. When you
>>start it you have a choice of courses, then a choice to start at 1, 10,
>>or the driving range.
>
>
> When you download a new course, does it include the new course's
> driving range?
>
for my course it was included. I have never checked any other courses.
I'm playing SLOCC tomorrow and I check and see if the driving range is
included.
Dave
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035611 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 01:00 |
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Dave Lee wrote:
> Mac3 wrote:
>
>>I've had the Igolf GPS Caddie for about 2 months now and love it. It cost
>>$230 for the unit. You can map courses yourself or pay $11 for a map credit
>>and can download the GPS course map. It's very simple to use, accurate
>>within 1-3 yards and my rechargeable AA batteries lasts over 3 rounds. I
>>end up paying the $11 per map cause I'm too lazy to map the courses myself.
>>Every course I've asked for, they've been able to map. Either way, I'm way
>>ahead of the other brand, Skycaddie, because with them the unit is $350 to
>>start, then you have to pay $45 for a one year suscription to the course
>>list, which isn't all that great. Plus, Skycaddie can only hold 15 courses
>>at a time, Igolf GPS Caddie can hold 50. The Igolf GPS caddie can hold 9
>>custom points(bunkers/water) per hole, while the Skycaddie can hold alot
>>more. I don't think I'll ever need more than 9 custom points. Anyway, I
>>love it and have been very happy with it. You can also measure off drives,
>>iron shots, anything during a round(so when you absolutely crush it you can
>>find out you only drove it 248 - haha). It's great and I can't imagine a
>>rangefinder would even compare. That's my 2cents anyway. Hope that helps.
>>
>
>
> Mac, thanks for the comments. I am sure that I've read somewhere than
> the Skycaddie can only hold 3 points for courses that you map yourselp
> - the fact that I read it doesn't mean that is is correct. Are you
> relatively positive that the Skycaddie can deal with more than 3 points
> per course for courses that you map yourself?
>
> dave (typing from Google because Earthlink Usenet support is now worse
> than about anything that I ever recall paying for).
>
The Skycaddie will only record front, middle, and back of greens on
courses that you set up yourself. You can record an unlimited number of
courses but you can only have 5 of your personally recorded courses in
the device at a time (+10 prerecorded courses). As you record courses
you can upload them to your personal "SkyVault" area then download the
ones you need as you play those courses. So, the number of courses you
can have recorded is unlimited. I've found no need to do my own
recording of distances as every course in the county that I live in is
already done by Skycaddie.
Dave
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035627 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 01:46 |
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"long&left" <nospam [at] diespammers.com> wrote in message
news:M74fg.158$Bd4.90 [at] fe06.lga...
> Dave Lee wrote:
> > Mac3 wrote:
> >
> >>I've had the Igolf GPS Caddie for about 2 months now and love it. It
cost
> >>$230 for the unit. You can map courses yourself or pay $11 for a map
credit
> >>and can download the GPS course map. It's very simple to use, accurate
> >>within 1-3 yards and my rechargeable AA batteries lasts over 3 rounds.
I
> >>end up paying the $11 per map cause I'm too lazy to map the courses
myself.
> >>Every course I've asked for, they've been able to map. Either way, I'm
way
> >>ahead of the other brand, Skycaddie, because with them the unit is $350
to
> >>start, then you have to pay $45 for a one year suscription to the course
> >>list, which isn't all that great. Plus, Skycaddie can only hold 15
courses
> >>at a time, Igolf GPS Caddie can hold 50. The Igolf GPS caddie can hold
9
> >>custom points(bunkers/water) per hole, while the Skycaddie can hold alot
> >>more. I don't think I'll ever need more than 9 custom points. Anyway,
I
> >>love it and have been very happy with it. You can also measure off
drives,
> >>iron shots, anything during a round(so when you absolutely crush it you
can
> >>find out you only drove it 248 - haha). It's great and I can't imagine
a
> >>rangefinder would even compare. That's my 2cents anyway. Hope that
helps.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Mac, thanks for the comments. I am sure that I've read somewhere than
> > the Skycaddie can only hold 3 points for courses that you map yourselp
> > - the fact that I read it doesn't mean that is is correct. Are you
> > relatively positive that the Skycaddie can deal with more than 3 points
> > per course for courses that you map yourself?
> >
> > dave (typing from Google because Earthlink Usenet support is now worse
> > than about anything that I ever recall paying for).
> >
>
> The Skycaddie will only record front, middle, and back of greens on
> courses that you set up yourself. You can record an unlimited number of
> courses but you can only have 5 of your personally recorded courses in
> the device at a time (+10 prerecorded courses). As you record courses
> you can upload them to your personal "SkyVault" area then download the
> ones you need as you play those courses. So, the number of courses you
> can have recorded is unlimited. I've found no need to do my own
> recording of distances as every course in the county that I live in is
> already done by Skycaddie.
> Dave
Thanks, that was my understanding. A couple of the courses that I play
regularly are set up with Skycaddie, but only include front/middle/rear pin
positions. With no ability to record other data no matter what I do, this
pretty much nixes the Skycaddie for me (even before considering the higher
cost and the business model that sucks, IMHO).
dave
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035635 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 02:21 |
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I'm not sure why the Igolf GPS Caddie isn't more popular. Whether it's a
course you've mapped yourself or a downloaded course, you can add up to 9
custom points. In addition, you can store up to 50 courses at a time on
the device itself. More and more I am sure I made the right choice with
Igolf.
> Thanks, that was my understanding. A couple of the courses that I play
> regularly are set up with Skycaddie, but only include front/middle/rear
> pin
> positions. With no ability to record other data no matter what I do, this
> pretty much nixes the Skycaddie for me (even before considering the higher
> cost and the business model that sucks, IMHO).
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035640 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 02:28 |
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Mac3 wrote:
> I'm not sure why the Igolf GPS Caddie isn't more popular.
(snip)
I'd never even heard of it until you posted about it today. The
Skycaddie has had a commercial blitz going on for 2 years. Almost
everyone I play golf with has one (a Skycaddie). That doesn't make them
better, just better advertised
Dave
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035641 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 02:29 |
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Dave Lee wrote:
(snip)
>>
>>The Skycaddie will only record front, middle, and back of greens on
>>courses that you set up yourself. You can record an unlimited number of
>>courses but you can only have 5 of your personally recorded courses in
>>the device at a time (+10 prerecorded courses). As you record courses
>>you can upload them to your personal "SkyVault" area then download the
>>ones you need as you play those courses. So, the number of courses you
>>can have recorded is unlimited. I've found no need to do my own
>>recording of distances as every course in the county that I live in is
>>already done by Skycaddie.
>>Dave
>
>
> Thanks, that was my understanding. A couple of the courses that I play
> regularly are set up with Skycaddie, but only include front/middle/rear pin
> positions. With no ability to record other data no matter what I do, this
> pretty much nixes the Skycaddie for me (even before considering the higher
> cost and the business model that sucks, IMHO).
>
> dave
>
>
out of curiousity, what about their business model sucks? They're
selling millions of their little black boxes and making a ton of cash.
Sounds like a pretty fair biz model to me :)
Dave
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035644 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 02:33 |
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"long&left" <nospam [at] diespammers.com> wrote in message
news:Gr5fg.131$212.66 [at] fe04.lga...
> Dave Lee wrote:
> (snip)
> >>
> >>The Skycaddie will only record front, middle, and back of greens on
> >>courses that you set up yourself. You can record an unlimited number of
> >>courses but you can only have 5 of your personally recorded courses in
> >>the device at a time (+10 prerecorded courses). As you record courses
> >>you can upload them to your personal "SkyVault" area then download the
> >>ones you need as you play those courses. So, the number of courses you
> >>can have recorded is unlimited. I've found no need to do my own
> >>recording of distances as every course in the county that I live in is
> >>already done by Skycaddie.
> >>Dave
> >
> >
> > Thanks, that was my understanding. A couple of the courses that I play
> > regularly are set up with Skycaddie, but only include front/middle/rear
pin
> > positions. With no ability to record other data no matter what I do,
this
> > pretty much nixes the Skycaddie for me (even before considering the
higher
> > cost and the business model that sucks, IMHO).
> >
> > dave
> >
> >
>
> out of curiousity, what about their business model sucks? They're
> selling millions of their little black boxes and making a ton of cash.
> Sounds like a pretty fair biz model to me :)
> Dave
It seems to work for them - I guess. I assume that they are making money.
But it strikes me as something that Bill Gates would put together.
dave
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035659 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 03:43 |
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Dave Lee wrote:
> "long&left" <nospam [at] diespammers.com> wrote in message
> news:Gr5fg.131$212.66 [at] fe04.lga...
>
>>Dave Lee wrote:
>>(snip)
>>
>>>>The Skycaddie will only record front, middle, and back of greens on
>>>>courses that you set up yourself. You can record an unlimited number of
>>>>courses but you can only have 5 of your personally recorded courses in
>>>>the device at a time (+10 prerecorded courses). As you record courses
>>>>you can upload them to your personal "SkyVault" area then download the
>>>>ones you need as you play those courses. So, the number of courses you
>>>>can have recorded is unlimited. I've found no need to do my own
>>>>recording of distances as every course in the county that I live in is
>>>>already done by Skycaddie.
>>>>Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks, that was my understanding. A couple of the courses that I play
>>>regularly are set up with Skycaddie, but only include front/middle/rear
>
> pin
>
>>>positions. With no ability to record other data no matter what I do,
>
> this
>
>>>pretty much nixes the Skycaddie for me (even before considering the
>
> higher
>
>>>cost and the business model that sucks, IMHO).
>>>
>>>dave
>>>
>>>
>>
>>out of curiousity, what about their business model sucks? They're
>>selling millions of their little black boxes and making a ton of cash.
>>Sounds like a pretty fair biz model to me :)
>>Dave
>
>
> It seems to work for them - I guess. I assume that they are making money.
> But it strikes me as something that Bill Gates would put together.
>
> dave
>
>
ah geez, why do people hate people that are successful anyway? Bill
Gates et al started MS in a garage and used sound business principle to
grow his business. Now he's a multi billionaire and everyone hates him.
I love Bill Gates! He gives me a cheap OS that runs the programs that I
need to run my business. Can't run those programs on a Mac or on a Linux
OS. I started my business in a garage too and I'm using sound business
principles to grow my business. If you're my competitor I'm going to cut
your feet off at the knees if I am good enough and smart enough to do
it. It's the way it works in this country.
no personal offense meant, and I apologize for the OT rant
Dave
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035663 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 04:03 |
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long&left wrote:
> Mac3 wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure why the Igolf GPS Caddie isn't more popular.
>
> (snip)
>
> I'd never even heard of it until you posted about it today. The
> Skycaddie has had a commercial blitz going on for 2 years. Almost
> everyone I play golf with has one (a Skycaddie). That doesn't make them
> better, just better advertised
> Dave
The skycaddie is a very nice doodad. The downside to it still is that
it may or may not be good on a range (yours is, obviously :), but it
wouldn't be on mine, insofar as i know.
And if you can't accurately place the flag on the green, it's little
better than guessing from sprinkler heads.
But that said, I like it. Very, very easy to use, and it's nice to just
look at it and there you are with the distance.
If the price comes down a bit, it wouldn't surprise me if one showed up
in my bag.
Mike
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035665 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 04:11 |
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double_entendre [at] hotmail.com wrote:
> Mike Dalecki wrote:
>
>>I've used the rangefinder for about 2 1/2 weeks now, and I'm quite
>>satisfied with it.
>>
>>It took a bit of practice, but it's now pretty easy to sight in on a
>>flag from under 200 yards. The rangefinder has a "scan" mode where, if
>>you can't hold a distance object, you can sweep the area and the range
>>will change. This is especially useful when sighting on a flag; if you
>>know about how far it is, it's easy to tell when the rangefinder is
>>catching the flag's distance, and the distance of the landscape behind.
>>
>>I'm happy I bought it. There are other models and brands that are more
>>expensive, but for a basic rangefinder for use on driving ranges and
>>evaluating distances on the course, it seems to be the ticket.
>>
>>Mike
>>--
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>
> Of course, these are sure to be not permitted at RSG WI per the host.
> <Mom> Or did you bring enough for everyone? </Mom>
>
> ;-)
>
> Bob
> Rancho Cucamonga, CA (but not for long)
>
During the tournament round, artificial devices for determining distance
will not be allowed. As per the host.
<best part of hosting an RSG event? You get to make the rules!>
That includes laser rangefinders, skycaddies, those little optical
viewers that line up w/ the flag, and the like.
Mike
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035666 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 04:12 |
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Dave Lee wrote:
> "long&left" <nospam [at] diespammers.com> wrote in message
> news:M74fg.158$Bd4.90 [at] fe06.lga...
>
>>Dave Lee wrote:
>>
>>>Mac3 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I've had the Igolf GPS Caddie for about 2 months now and love it. It
>
> cost
>
>>>>$230 for the unit. You can map courses yourself or pay $11 for a map
>
> credit
>
>>>>and can download the GPS course map. It's very simple to use, accurate
>>>>within 1-3 yards and my rechargeable AA batteries lasts over 3 rounds.
>
> I
>
>>>>end up paying the $11 per map cause I'm too lazy to map the courses
>
> myself.
>
>>>>Every course I've asked for, they've been able to map. Either way, I'm
>
> way
>
>>>>ahead of the other brand, Skycaddie, because with them the unit is $350
>
> to
>
>>>>start, then you have to pay $45 for a one year suscription to the course
>>>>list, which isn't all that great. Plus, Skycaddie can only hold 15
>
> courses
>
>>>>at a time, Igolf GPS Caddie can hold 50. The Igolf GPS caddie can hold
>
> 9
>
>>>>custom points(bunkers/water) per hole, while the Skycaddie can hold alot
>>>>more. I don't think I'll ever need more than 9 custom points. Anyway,
>
> I
>
>>>>love it and have been very happy with it. You can also measure off
>
> drives,
>
>>>>iron shots, anything during a round(so when you absolutely crush it you
>
> can
>
>>>>find out you only drove it 248 - haha). It's great and I can't imagine
>
> a
>
>>>>rangefinder would even compare. That's my 2cents anyway. Hope that
>
> helps.
>
>>>
>>>Mac, thanks for the comments. I am sure that I've read somewhere than
>>>the Skycaddie can only hold 3 points for courses that you map yourselp
>>>- the fact that I read it doesn't mean that is is correct. Are you
>>>relatively positive that the Skycaddie can deal with more than 3 points
>>>per course for courses that you map yourself?
>>>
>>>dave (typing from Google because Earthlink Usenet support is now worse
>>>than about anything that I ever recall paying for).
>>>
>>
>>The Skycaddie will only record front, middle, and back of greens on
>>courses that you set up yourself. You can record an unlimited number of
>>courses but you can only have 5 of your personally recorded courses in
>>the device at a time (+10 prerecorded courses). As you record courses
>>you can upload them to your personal "SkyVault" area then download the
>>ones you need as you play those courses. So, the number of courses you
>>can have recorded is unlimited. I've found no need to do my own
>>recording of distances as every course in the county that I live in is
>>already done by Skycaddie.
>>Dave
>
>
> Thanks, that was my understanding. A couple of the courses that I play
> regularly are set up with Skycaddie, but only include front/middle/rear pin
> positions. With no ability to record other data no matter what I do, this
> pretty much nixes the Skycaddie for me (even before considering the higher
> cost and the business model that sucks, IMHO).
>
> dave
>
>
I'm not sure we're all talking about the same thing. The one I used
yesterday has little crosshairs on a graphical representation of the
green; you use the arrow keys to move the crosshairs to where you see
the pin position.
Mike
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035672 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 04:43 |
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Mike Dalecki wrote:
> long&left wrote:
> > Mac3 wrote:
> >
> >> I'm not sure why the Igolf GPS Caddie isn't more popular.
> >
> > (snip)
> >
> > I'd never even heard of it until you posted about it today. The
> > Skycaddie has had a commercial blitz going on for 2 years. Almost
> > everyone I play golf with has one (a Skycaddie). That doesn't make them
> > better, just better advertised
> > Dave
>
> The skycaddie is a very nice doodad. The downside to it still is that
> it may or may not be good on a range (yours is, obviously :), but it
> wouldn't be on mine, insofar as i know.
>
> And if you can't accurately place the flag on the green, it's little
> better than guessing from sprinkler heads.
>
> But that said, I like it. Very, very easy to use, and it's nice to just
> look at it and there you are with the distance.
>
> If the price comes down a bit, it wouldn't surprise me if one showed up
> in my bag.
>
> Mike
>
> --
That was one thing I don't understand about the RSG NW courses I've
played at. You get a 100 yard marker, 150, 200 & 250 and that's it.
Not quite fair--I think one of them had sprinkler head markings--but
most of them the stakes on the fairways were it.
I'll give the best markings prize to Empire Lakes. All of the
sprinkler heads have yardages to the front, middle, and back. That's
pretty spiffy. Only place I've played that had it better was a private
club where all the sprinklers were marked with yardage to the front and
then you got a pin sheet with how far from the front the pin was.
Of course, if you can't hit your distances, I guess it doesn't matter,
eh?
Bob
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035675 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 04:48 |
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And he basically stole it from Xerox!!!!!
"long&left" <nospam [at] diespammers.com> wrote in message
news:0x6fg.54$Z53.31 [at] fe03.lga...
> Dave Lee wrote:
>> "long&left" <nospam [at] diespammers.com> wrote in message
>> news:Gr5fg.131$212.66 [at] fe04.lga...
>>
>>>Dave Lee wrote:
>>>(snip)
>>>
>>>>>The Skycaddie will only record front, middle, and back of greens on
>>>>>courses that you set up yourself. You can record an unlimited number of
>>>>>courses but you can only have 5 of your personally recorded courses in
>>>>>the device at a time (+10 prerecorded courses). As you record courses
>>>>>you can upload them to your personal "SkyVault" area then download the
>>>>>ones you need as you play those courses. So, the number of courses you
>>>>>can have recorded is unlimited. I've found no need to do my own
>>>>>recording of distances as every course in the county that I live in is
>>>>>already done by Skycaddie.
>>>>>Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks, that was my understanding. A couple of the courses that I play
>>>>regularly are set up with Skycaddie, but only include front/middle/rear
>>
>> pin
>>
>>>>positions. With no ability to record other data no matter what I do,
>>
>> this
>>
>>>>pretty much nixes the Skycaddie for me (even before considering the
>>
>> higher
>>
>>>>cost and the business model that sucks, IMHO).
>>>>
>>>>dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>out of curiousity, what about their business model sucks? They're
>>>selling millions of their little black boxes and making a ton of cash.
>>>Sounds like a pretty fair biz model to me :)
>>>Dave
>>
>>
>> It seems to work for them - I guess. I assume that they are making money.
>> But it strikes me as something that Bill Gates would put together.
>>
>> dave
>>
>>
> ah geez, why do people hate people that are successful anyway? Bill Gates
> et al started MS in a garage and used sound business principle to grow his
> business. Now he's a multi billionaire and everyone hates him. I love Bill
> Gates! He gives me a cheap OS that runs the programs that I need to run my
> business. Can't run those programs on a Mac or on a Linux OS. I started my
> business in a garage too and I'm using sound business principles to grow
> my business. If you're my competitor I'm going to cut your feet off at the
> knees if I am good enough and smart enough to do it. It's the way it works
> in this country.
>
> no personal offense meant, and I apologize for the OT rant
> Dave
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035677 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 04:51 |
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Mike Dalecki wrote:
> long&left wrote:
>
>> Mac3 wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure why the Igolf GPS Caddie isn't more popular.
>>
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>> I'd never even heard of it until you posted about it today. The
>> Skycaddie has had a commercial blitz going on for 2 years. Almost
>> everyone I play golf with has one (a Skycaddie). That doesn't make
>> them better, just better advertised
>> Dave
>
>
> The skycaddie is a very nice doodad. The downside to it still is that
> it may or may not be good on a range (yours is, obviously :), but it
> wouldn't be on mine, insofar as i know.
>
> And if you can't accurately place the flag on the green, it's little
> better than guessing from sprinkler heads.
agreed, it's just faster as I previously noted.
>
> But that said, I like it. Very, very easy to use, and it's nice to just
> look at it and there you are with the distance.
>
> If the price comes down a bit, it wouldn't surprise me if one showed up
> in my bag.
>
> Mike
>
I got mine for Christmas so who here is to complain :)
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035678 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 04:54 |
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Mike Dalecki wrote:
> Dave Lee wrote:
>
>> "long&left" <nospam [at] diespammers.com> wrote in message
>> news:M74fg.158$Bd4.90 [at] fe06.lga...
>>
>>> Dave Lee wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mac3 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I've had the Igolf GPS Caddie for about 2 months now and love it. It
>>
>>
>> cost
>>
>>>>> $230 for the unit. You can map courses yourself or pay $11 for a map
>>
>>
>> credit
>>
>>>>> and can download the GPS course map. It's very simple to use,
>>>>> accurate
>>>>> within 1-3 yards and my rechargeable AA batteries lasts over 3 rounds.
>>
>>
>> I
>>
>>>>> end up paying the $11 per map cause I'm too lazy to map the courses
>>
>>
>> myself.
>>
>>>>> Every course I've asked for, they've been able to map. Either way,
>>>>> I'm
>>
>>
>> way
>>
>>>>> ahead of the other brand, Skycaddie, because with them the unit is
>>>>> $350
>>
>>
>> to
>>
>>>>> start, then you have to pay $45 for a one year suscription to the
>>>>> course
>>>>> list, which isn't all that great. Plus, Skycaddie can only hold 15
>>
>>
>> courses
>>
>>>>> at a time, Igolf GPS Caddie can hold 50. The Igolf GPS caddie can
>>>>> hold
>>
>>
>> 9
>>
>>>>> custom points(bunkers/water) per hole, while the Skycaddie can hold
>>>>> alot
>>>>> more. I don't think I'll ever need more than 9 custom points.
>>>>> Anyway,
>>
>>
>> I
>>
>>>>> love it and have been very happy with it. You can also measure off
>>
>>
>> drives,
>>
>>>>> iron shots, anything during a round(so when you absolutely crush it
>>>>> you
>>
>>
>> can
>>
>>>>> find out you only drove it 248 - haha). It's great and I can't
>>>>> imagine
>>
>>
>> a
>>
>>>>> rangefinder would even compare. That's my 2cents anyway. Hope that
>>
>>
>> helps.
>>
>>>>
>>>> Mac, thanks for the comments. I am sure that I've read somewhere than
>>>> the Skycaddie can only hold 3 points for courses that you map yourselp
>>>> - the fact that I read it doesn't mean that is is correct. Are you
>>>> relatively positive that the Skycaddie can deal with more than 3 points
>>>> per course for courses that you map yourself?
>>>>
>>>> dave (typing from Google because Earthlink Usenet support is now worse
>>>> than about anything that I ever recall paying for).
>>>>
>>>
>>> The Skycaddie will only record front, middle, and back of greens on
>>> courses that you set up yourself. You can record an unlimited number of
>>> courses but you can only have 5 of your personally recorded courses in
>>> the device at a time (+10 prerecorded courses). As you record courses
>>> you can upload them to your personal "SkyVault" area then download the
>>> ones you need as you play those courses. So, the number of courses you
>>> can have recorded is unlimited. I've found no need to do my own
>>> recording of distances as every course in the county that I live in is
>>> already done by Skycaddie.
>>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks, that was my understanding. A couple of the courses that I play
>> regularly are set up with Skycaddie, but only include
>> front/middle/rear pin
>> positions. With no ability to record other data no matter what I do, this
>> pretty much nixes the Skycaddie for me (even before considering the
>> higher
>> cost and the business model that sucks, IMHO).
>>
>> dave
>>
>>
> I'm not sure we're all talking about the same thing. The one I used
> yesterday has little crosshairs on a graphical representation of the
> green; you use the arrow keys to move the crosshairs to where you see
> the pin position.
>
> Mike
>
some people who are new to Skycaddie don't know that pushing the Pro
Number button turns on the graphical screen showing the green that
allows you to move the pin around to approx where it is. The out of the
box screen just gives you a yardage to the center of the green.
Dave
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035710 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 15:14 |
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Bushnell is a great company with which to do business, too. I had a bigger
and bulkier predecessor of the Yardage Pro Tour that my wife bought me for
Christmas in 1999, and used it practically everytime I played golf. It
crapped out earlier this year, and I sent it back to Bushnell for repair.
They said that it was too old a model, they no longer had the parts, and it
couldn't be repaired, so they offered me the Yardage Pro for $100, including
shipping.
I love this thing, and the way that it fits into your pocket is a big
advantage over my previous laser.
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035718 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 16:16 |
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Rick wrote:
> And he basically stole it from Xerox!!!!!
>
uh, it was IBM. And, he didn't steal it he out manuevered them for the
DOS OS. If he stoled it he'd be in jail
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035719 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 16:21 |
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Some courses have their GPS equipped carts with beautiful displays
that know where today's pin position is and show lakes and such
visually.
I suppose someone carries a GPS when he moves the hole, which is set
up by radio. I wonder if it does a real-time update on every cart's
GPS.
I would like to have the ability to attach one of their GPS units to
my SpeedCart.
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035720 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 16:23 |
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On Wed, 31 May 2006 00:33:52 GMT, "Dave Lee"
<DaveLeeNC [at] ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>> out of curiousity, what about their business model sucks? They're
>> selling millions of their little black boxes and making a ton of cash.
>> Sounds like a pretty fair biz model to me :)
>> Dave
>
>It seems to work for them - I guess. I assume that they are making money.
>But it strikes me as something that Bill Gates would put together.
I can live with Bill Gates' business model.
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035721 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 16:27 |
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On Wed, 31 May 2006 02:48:37 GMT, "Rick" <hchiava1 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>And he basically stole it from Xerox!!!!!
So you must hate the Apple model more.
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035722 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 16:30 |
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IIRC, Gates sold or rented PC DOS to IBM for dollars and then bought it from
Xerox for nickels.
"long&left" <nospam [at] diespammers.com> wrote in message
news:3zhfg.205$hu6.83 [at] fe05.lga...
> Rick wrote:
>> And he basically stole it from Xerox!!!!!
>>
> uh, it was IBM. And, he didn't steal it he out manuevered them for the DOS
> OS. If he stoled it he'd be in jail
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035723 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 16:31 |
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The display requires more than a few AA batteries.
"Howard Brazee" <howard [at] brazee.net> wrote in message
news:0c9r72hnl280lr9l51fun9skks4uqo2jec [at] 4ax.com...
> Some courses have their GPS equipped carts with beautiful displays
> that know where today's pin position is and show lakes and such
> visually.
>
> I suppose someone carries a GPS when he moves the hole, which is set
> up by radio. I wonder if it does a real-time update on every cart's
> GPS.
>
> I would like to have the ability to attach one of their GPS units to
> my SpeedCart.
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035724 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 16:40 |
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Wed, 31 May 2006 02:48:37 GMT, "Rick" <hchiava1 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
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>> And he basically stole it from Xerox!!!!!
>
> So you must hate the Apple model more.
Xerox invented it.
Apple stole it Xerox.
Microsoft stole it from Apple.
Apple sued Microsoft.
Xerox said we invented it and if anybody is going to sue we are.
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035725 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 16:45 |
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Bert Robbins wrote:
> Howard Brazee wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 May 2006 02:48:37 GMT, "Rick" <hchiava1 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And he basically stole it from Xerox!!!!!
>>
>> So you must hate the Apple model more.
>
> Xerox invented it.
>
> Apple stole it Xerox.
>
> Microsoft stole it from Apple.
>
> Apple sued Microsoft.
>
> Xerox said we invented it and if anybody is going to sue we are.
I was talking about the graphical user interface.
But, the last original idea Bill Gates had was to buy DOS from someone else.
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035745 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 18:49 |
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"long&left" <nospam [at] diespammers.com> wrote in message
news:0x6fg.54$Z53.31 [at] fe03.lga...
> Dave Lee wrote:
> > "long&left" <nospam [at] diespammers.com> wrote in message
> > news:Gr5fg.131$212.66 [at] fe04.lga...
> >
> >>Dave Lee wrote:
> >
> >
> ah geez, why do people hate people that are successful anyway? Bill
> Gates et al started MS in a garage and used sound business principle to
> grow his business. Now he's a multi billionaire and everyone hates him.
> I love Bill Gates! He gives me a cheap OS that runs the programs that I
> need to run my business. Can't run those programs on a Mac or on a Linux
> OS. I started my business in a garage too and I'm using sound business
> principles to grow my business. If you're my competitor I'm going to cut
> your feet off at the knees if I am good enough and smart enough to do
> it. It's the way it works in this country.
>
> no personal offense meant, and I apologize for the OT rant
> Dave
I really don't object to Gates being filthy rich. But his applications model
(particularly back in the mid to late 90's) seemed to always be throwing up
in my face the fact that I did not personally own 'the latest version of
Microsoft XYZ' (Word, Excel, etc). It seemed that you really needed to
commit to continually upgrading your MS stuff if you wanted it to continue
to be useful - or maybe I just had a bunch of friends who were always
sending me files generated with the latest application level.
But Skycaddie to me seems similar. You really don't have anything useful
(unless loading five courses onto your system and that is all is adequate)
until you commit to an annual revenue stream to the Skycaddie folks. In that
respect I like iGolf much better.
dave
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035767 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 21:07 |
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No - I simply made a statement. The GUI was invented by Xerox & so was the
mouse!!! :)
"Howard Brazee" <howard [at] brazee.net> wrote in message
news:0t9r72lfh8d44n0ogogcputl4fccci469d [at] 4ax.com...
> On Wed, 31 May 2006 02:48:37 GMT, "Rick" <hchiava1 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>And he basically stole it from Xerox!!!!!
>
> So you must hate the Apple model more.
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035778 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 22:34 |
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"Rick" <hchiava1 [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:XPlfg.2489$oa1.1126 [at] news02.roc.ny...
> No - I simply made a statement. The GUI was invented by Xerox & so was
the
> mouse!!! :)
>
> "Howard Brazee" <howard [at] brazee.net> wrote in message
> news:0t9r72lfh8d44n0ogogcputl4fccci469d [at] 4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 31 May 2006 02:48:37 GMT, "Rick" <hchiava1 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>And he basically stole it from Xerox!!!!!
> >
> > So you must hate the Apple model more.
>
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_GUI
FWIW
dave
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| Re: Review: Bushnell Yardage Pro Tour Laser Rangefinder [message #1035789 ] |
Thu, 01 June 2006 00:36 |
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On Wed, 31 May 2006 20:34:04 GMT, "Dave Lee"
<DaveLeeNC [at] ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>
>"Rick" <hchiava1 [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:XPlfg.2489$oa1.1126 [at] news02.roc.ny...
>> No - I simply made a statement. The GUI was invented by Xerox & so was
>the
>> mouse!!! :)
dion't forget that Al Gore invented the Internet!
I can't believe they are trying to resurrect that moron. It will be
fun for groups like the Swift Boat Veterans reminding everyone of his
continuous (one every day) string of outrageous lies and exaggerations
during the campaign. His environmental concerns are
childish--because his understanding of science is below the 8th grade
level. He flunked every technical course he took after about that
level.
How on Earth can you flunk out of divinity school? Could it be that
he was a total pot head? His neighbor in Nashville in those days has
signed a sworn affadavit that Al Gore and "Daffy" or whatever her name
is--were total potheads-- and noisy as they partied all night most
nights. So after he flunked out of Law School at Vanderbilt, he
flunked out of Divinity School.
So, like any other guy who was a total loser, he ran for congress!!!
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Vice President Albert Gore
“During my junior and senior year of college, it was looked at in the
same way moonshine was looked at in Prohibition days."
Source: Newsweek, 11/16/87
Mr. Gore said he first tried marijuana at the end of his junior year
at Harvard and used it again at the beginning of his senior year the
next fall. He also said he used the drug "once or twice" while
off-duty in an Army tour at Bien Hoa, Vietnam; on several occasions
while he was in graduate school at Vanderbilt University and when he
was an employee of a Nashville newspaper (The Nashville Tennessean).…
Source: Adam J. Smith, “New Bio Alleges Gore Used Marijuana Regularly
for Years,” January 20, 2000. DRCNet. Online. Available:
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/gore.html.
Accessed: 10/24/02.
In an interview with John Warneke, former friend and colleague of Gore
at The Tennessean , the frequency of Gore's past marijuana use came
into question. In 1988, Al Gore called his friend John Warneke and
asked him not to talk to the press about Gore's past drug use. Warneke
stated, "[Gore] called me three times in one morning and he said,
'Don't talk to the press at all about this.' That's a stonewall, and
it's another form of lying. But I couldn't do that. But I was torn. I
felt a debt to The Tennessean , a paper that taught me everything
about the truth. And I had a friendship with Al. So I came up with
this half-truth. And that was, that Al had tried it a couple of times
with me and he didn't like pot."
Trapper: "So when did you and Gore smoke pot?"
Warneke: "We started in 1970, I think. At my house in Nashville. He
likes pot. He told me he smoked it before. I smoked it with Al before
he went to Vietnam. And he told me he smoked over there in Vietnam.
But now that I know how Al talks about it as opposed with what he
really does, I don't know what to believe."
Trapper: "But he was a senator's son at the time. Wasn't he worried
about being caught?"
Warneke: "He was paranoid. When he smoked in my house he would run
around in my house and he would close all the blinds. If it was night
he'd turn all the lights out. He's look out the windows and make sure
that no one was watching. And then he would light up. Talk about
paranoia. We played pool in the dark once. That's how a senator's son
smoked pot."
Trapper: "You haven't talked to him in 10 years?"
Warneke: "No, he hasn't called since the day he asked me to stonewall
in 1988. And here I've been holding this lie up. I lied to the New
York Times; I was in tears when I lied to them. And when my [second]
wife died, I didn't get a letter or a note from him."
Source: Jack Trapper, salon.com; 1/22/00. This interview is available
online at: http://www.salon.com/politics2000/feature/2000/01/22/gore
One former reporter at The Tennessean, Ken Jost, confirmed that Gore
has used marijuana while at the Tennessean , but to a lesser extent
than what Warneke reported. Three other staff members would not say
what they did or did not see, including Tennessean editor Frank
Sutherland and Warneke's former wife, Nancy Rhoda.
Source: Laura Frank and Sheila Wissner, The Tennessean; 1/28/00
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I suppose he (and Hillary) think we have forgotten this stuff. Fat
Chance.
Larry
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