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| How to avoid missing those little left to right putts. [message #1035237] |
Sun, 28 May 2006 20:38 |
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I've never liked putts that break left to right that much, but in the last
couple of weeks it's gotten to the point that missing 2-4 footers in this
range is costing me at least a couple a round. Not quite sure what it is
but I can hit the right to left breakers with confidence, while the ones
that break the other way always seem mystifying -- hit it a little hard and
it sails by on the high side, hitt it a little soft and you get an absurd
amount of break as the ball dies short and low. :Longer ones aren't nearly
as much trouble (not that I make more, just that there isn't a big
difference in how they break). I suspect the trouble is that it's just
plain hard to make a delicate stroke of that distance and my tendancy is to
pull it if I hit a little hard and push the ones hit a little soft. On a
right to left breaker, those mistakes compensage (the pulled putt goes extra
hard and doesn't break as much, while the pushed one is weak and the extra
break compensates for the mis aim.)
Of late though I;ve suspected something else -- that nasty yellow green weed
grass that is invading the bent grass greens on virtually all the courses in
this area. While some folks actually like putting it, the trouble I've had
with it is that the blades grow dense and almost vertical, but not quite,
meaning that unlike the bent, which lies flat, the direction of those blades
has a signfiicant impact. One impact I suspect is that when you try to
launch a delicate little putt off grass that's pointing into your line at an
angle, I tend to drive the ball a bit into the green and the grass pushes it
off line. After missing 3 or for attempts at a little 2 footer the other
day I looked hard at the green and sure enough, the grass was running
diagonally towards me in the direction that would push the putt. I move the
ball just a little to one side (another less than loveable featue of the
yellow green weed is that it grows outward from a point so moving the ball
just a bit will completely change the direction it grows), and hit 3 in a
row dead in.
So, what suggestions do you have to make more of those little leaky putts?
Is my grass theory all wet? If not, how do you compensate for a "lie" on
the green set up to knock your putt off line.
--
Warren Montgomery (wamontgomery [at] att.net)
http://home.att.net/~wamontgomery
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| Re: How to avoid missing those little left to right putts. [message #1035282 ] |
Sun, 28 May 2006 23:04 |
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> So, what suggestions do you have to make more of those little leaky putts?
Aim inside the cup, stroke it firm, trust your stroke.
If your stroke sucks, this probably won't work.
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| Re: How to avoid missing those little left to right putts. [message #1035315 ] |
Mon, 29 May 2006 00:56 |
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"warren montgomery" <wamontgomery [at] worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:54WdnUF6H6ync-TZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
> I've never liked putts that break left to right that much, but in the last
> couple of weeks it's gotten to the point that missing 2-4 footers in this
> range is costing me at least a couple a round. Not quite sure what it is
> but I can hit the right to left breakers with confidence, while the ones
> that break the other way always seem mystifying -- hit it a little hard
> and it sails by on the high side, hitt it a little soft and you get an
> absurd amount of break as the ball dies short and low. :Longer ones
> aren't nearly as much trouble (not that I make more, just that there isn't
> a big difference in how they break). I suspect the trouble is that it's
> just plain hard to make a delicate stroke of that distance and my tendancy
> is to pull it if I hit a little hard and push the ones hit a little soft.
> On a right to left breaker, those mistakes compensage (the pulled putt
> goes extra hard and doesn't break as much, while the pushed one is weak
> and the extra break compensates for the mis aim.)
>
> Of late though I;ve suspected something else -- that nasty yellow green
> weed grass that is invading the bent grass greens on virtually all the
> courses in this area. While some folks actually like putting it, the
> trouble I've had with it is that the blades grow dense and almost
> vertical, but not quite, meaning that unlike the bent, which lies flat,
> the direction of those blades has a signfiicant impact. One impact I
> suspect is that when you try to launch a delicate little putt off grass
> that's pointing into your line at an angle, I tend to drive the ball a bit
> into the green and the grass pushes it off line. After missing 3 or for
> attempts at a little 2 footer the other day I looked hard at the green and
> sure enough, the grass was running diagonally towards me in the direction
> that would push the putt. I move the ball just a little to one side
> (another less than loveable featue of the yellow green weed is that it
> grows outward from a point so moving the ball just a bit will completely
> change the direction it grows), and hit 3 in a row dead in.
>
> So, what suggestions do you have to make more of those little leaky putts?
>
> Is my grass theory all wet? If not, how do you compensate for a "lie" on
> the green set up to knock your putt off line.
>
> --
> Warren Montgomery (wamontgomery [at] att.net)
> http://home.att.net/~wamontgomery
>
Some pro -- Begay maybe?? is putting them left handed because he hates them
that much!
It's called poanna here -- it blooms yellow & causes all kinds of headaches
until it gets hot enough to knock it out --- it was 90 today & that should
help.
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| Re: How to avoid missing those little left to right putts. [message #1035317 ] |
Mon, 29 May 2006 00:59 |
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2-4 *footers* should be shot straight from the hip, pardner - no breaks.
>mho
>v=83e
>drive 10% less, help create a gasoline glut
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| Re: How to avoid missing those little left to right putts. [message #1035319 ] |
Mon, 29 May 2006 01:29 |
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warren montgomery wrote:
> I've never liked putts that break left to right that much, but in the last
> couple of weeks it's gotten to the point that missing 2-4 footers in this
> range is costing me at least a couple a round. Not quite sure what it is
> but I can hit the right to left breakers with confidence, while the ones
> that break the other way always seem mystifying -- hit it a little hard and
> it sails by on the high side, hitt it a little soft and you get an absurd
> amount of break as the ball dies short and low. :Longer ones aren't nearly
> as much trouble (not that I make more, just that there isn't a big
> difference in how they break). I suspect the trouble is that it's just
> plain hard to make a delicate stroke of that distance and my tendancy is to
> pull it if I hit a little hard and push the ones hit a little soft. On a
> right to left breaker, those mistakes compensage (the pulled putt goes extra
> hard and doesn't break as much, while the pushed one is weak and the extra
> break compensates for the mis aim.)
>
> Of late though I;ve suspected something else -- that nasty yellow green weed
> grass that is invading the bent grass greens on virtually all the courses in
> this area. While some folks actually like putting it, the trouble I've had
> with it is that the blades grow dense and almost vertical, but not quite,
> meaning that unlike the bent, which lies flat, the direction of those blades
> has a signfiicant impact. One impact I suspect is that when you try to
> launch a delicate little putt off grass that's pointing into your line at an
> angle, I tend to drive the ball a bit into the green and the grass pushes it
> off line. After missing 3 or for attempts at a little 2 footer the other
> day I looked hard at the green and sure enough, the grass was running
> diagonally towards me in the direction that would push the putt. I move the
> ball just a little to one side (another less than loveable featue of the
> yellow green weed is that it grows outward from a point so moving the ball
> just a bit will completely change the direction it grows), and hit 3 in a
> row dead in.
>
> So, what suggestions do you have to make more of those little leaky putts?
>
> Is my grass theory all wet? If not, how do you compensate for a "lie" on
> the green set up to knock your putt off line.
>
Warren, I think your grass theory is all wet. I also have more trouble
with the left-to-right breaking putts; I've found it's almost entirely
due to setup and optical issues.
What I've found works for me is to read the putt from behind, and pick
out a spot I want to roll the ball over to make the putt. It helps a
lot, especially with the shorter putts.
Mike
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| Re: How to avoid missing those little left to right putts. [message #1035320 ] |
Mon, 29 May 2006 01:31 |
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fiveiron [at] webtv.net wrote:
> 2-4 *footers* should be shot straight from the hip, pardner - no breaks=
=2E
>=20
>=20
>>mho
>>v=83e
>=20
>=20
>>drive 10% less, help create a gasoline glut
>=20
>=20
4 footers...no break. Get real. I'll agree with that plan for 2 footers=20
though
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| Re: How to avoid missing those little left to right putts. [message #1035344 ] |
Mon, 29 May 2006 03:56 |
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"warren montgomery" <wamontgomery [at] worldnet.att.net> wrote ...
> I've never liked putts that break left to right that much, but in the last
> couple of weeks it's gotten to the point that missing 2-4 footers in this
> range is costing me at least a couple a round. Not quite sure what it is
> but I can hit the right to left breakers with confidence, while the ones
> that break the other way always seem mystifying -- hit it a little hard
> and it sails by on the high side, hitt it a little soft and you get an
> absurd amount of break as the ball dies short and low. :Longer ones
> aren't nearly as much trouble (not that I make more, just that there isn't
> a big difference in how they break). I suspect the trouble is that it's
> just plain hard to make a delicate stroke of that distance and my tendancy
> is to pull it if I hit a little hard and push the ones hit a little soft.
> On a right to left breaker, those mistakes compensage (the pulled putt
> goes extra hard and doesn't break as much, while the pushed one is weak
> and the extra break compensates for the mis aim.)
>
> Of late though I;ve suspected something else -- that nasty yellow green
> weed grass that is invading the bent grass greens on virtually all the
> courses in this area. While some folks actually like putting it, the
> trouble I've had with it is that the blades grow dense and almost
> vertical, but not quite, meaning that unlike the bent, which lies flat,
> the direction of those blades has a signfiicant impact. One impact I
> suspect is that when you try to launch a delicate little putt off grass
> that's pointing into your line at an angle, I tend to drive the ball a bit
> into the green and the grass pushes it off line. After missing 3 or for
> attempts at a little 2 footer the other day I looked hard at the green and
> sure enough, the grass was running diagonally towards me in the direction
> that would push the putt. I move the ball just a little to one side
> (another less than loveable featue of the yellow green weed is that it
> grows outward from a point so moving the ball just a bit will completely
> change the direction it grows), and hit 3 in a row dead in.
>
> So, what suggestions do you have to make more of those little leaky putts?
>
> Is my grass theory all wet? If not, how do you compensate for a "lie" on
> the green set up to knock your putt off line.
Warren, I think you've given yourself worms in the head.
ALL putts are straight putts, whether they break 25 feet in one direction,
or have a triple break to them, or don't break at all.
Sorry to break the news to you (pun intended), but the hole isn't your
target. Your target should be a spot about 6-inches, or maybe a foot away
from the ball, on the line you need to start the putt on.
Stand behind the ball and pick out your line. Draw a straight line from the
ball to the apex of the putt's track to the hole, given whatever break you
see. If you're going to hit it firm, your target spot will be somewhat
inside that line as a firmly struck putt won't break as much; if you have to
hit it easy, the ball will tend to break more, so you'll have to pick a spot
somewhat higher than the line (and a lot higher if there's break NEAR THE
HOLE and you use the right speed to "die" the ball at the hole -- the slower
a putt is rolling, the more it will take the break). In any case, pick out
your line and find a spot in the grass about a foot from your ball along
that line (adjusted high or low as described above). Then take your stance
over the ball and square the blade to that adjusted spot. It's a straight
putt, only about a foot long, as far as you're concerned now. I know you
can make a 1-foot putt, can't you? The rest is just getting a feel for how
hard to hit it.
One less worm.
Randy
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| Re: How to avoid missing those little left to right putts. [message #1035636 ] |
Wed, 31 May 2006 02:22 |
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On Sun, 28 May 2006 13:38:52 -0500, "warren montgomery"
<wamontgomery [at] worldnet.att.net> wrote:
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>So, what suggestions do you have to make more of those little leaky putts?
>
"Don't give away the toe"
Lee Trevino
Tom
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