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| Bushnell Advice [message #1024714] |
Sun, 14 May 2006 02:05 |
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I am looking at either a Yardage Pro Tour or a 1500 (sans slope).
My problem is I have horrific depth perception and cannot judge distances
at all. I am more interested in using the device off the tee to get
distances to hazards and such, I can always get pin distances via other
means.
Will the Yardage Pro work for hazards and such in the 250-300 yard range or
do I need the 1500?
Thanks.
____________________________________________________________ _____
JG... Jeff Givens
mailto:jgivensXX [at] comcastXX.netXX
"My hovercraft is full of eels."
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| Re: Bushnell Advice [message #1024717 ] |
Sun, 14 May 2006 02:29 |
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Jeff, not to give you a short answer, but only a suggestion. You might
buy a c d,
invest it for a year with the money you'd spend on the plaything. And in
the
meantime hone your acuity for distance, you no doubt drive a car, you
can drive a ball with accuracy too.. Just a thot.
I play with guys who have those things, and they are seldom off more
than 30-40 yards.:--)
>mho
>v=83e
>D r i v e / E a t =A0L e s s - $ a v e =A0M o n e y,
>don't discover safety by accident
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| Re: Bushnell Advice [message #1024718 ] |
Sun, 14 May 2006 02:45 |
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Jeff Givens wrote:
> I am looking at either a Yardage Pro Tour or a 1500 (sans slope).
>
> My problem is I have horrific depth perception and cannot judge distances
> at all. I am more interested in using the device off the tee to get
> distances to hazards and such, I can always get pin distances via other
> means.
>
> Will the Yardage Pro work for hazards and such in the 250-300 yard range or
> do I need the 1500?
>
> Thanks.
> ____________________________________________________________ _____
> JG... Jeff Givens
> mailto:jgivensXX [at] comcastXX.netXX
>
> "My hovercraft is full of eels."
firstly, ignore vfe. Secondly, I've got a Yardage Pro 1000 and it will
get distances to, well 1000 yds, although I've never tried it at that
distance. It will accurately measure to normal golf course stuff, at say
400 yds, if you can hold it steady enough to fix on an object for a few
seconds. If you need it for long distances typically I'd recommend a
monopod of some sort for it. I just lean on my golf cart to steady
myself and it works fine. And, my depth perception is also horrific :)
Dave
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| Re: Bushnell Advice [message #1024721 ] |
Sun, 14 May 2006 02:56 |
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| Re: Bushnell Advice [message #1024728 ] |
Sun, 14 May 2006 03:59 |
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>And,
>my depth perception is also horrific :) >Dave
=3D=3D
And that isn't all.
>mho
>v=83e
>D r i v e / E a t =A0L e s s - $ a v e =A0M o n e y,
>don't discover safety by accident
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| Re: Bushnell Advice [message #1024738 ] |
Sun, 14 May 2006 05:22 |
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Jeff Givens wrote:
> I am looking at either a Yardage Pro Tour or a 1500 (sans slope).
>
> My problem is I have horrific depth perception and cannot judge distances
> at all. I am more interested in using the device off the tee to get
> distances to hazards and such, I can always get pin distances via other
> means.
>
> Will the Yardage Pro work for hazards and such in the 250-300 yard range or
> do I need the 1500?
>
> Thanks.
> ____________________________________________________________ _____
> JG... Jeff Givens
> mailto:jgivensXX [at] comcastXX.netXX
>
> "My hovercraft is full of eels."
I just bought a Yardage Pro Tour (arrived yesterday). I'd done some
experimenting with one Andy Stritof brought to our impromptu RSG-W in
April before I bought this one. Primarily I wanted to see how easy it
was to use before I plunked down the money.
I found it easy to use (as is the one I just received), and it does
allow me to sight in on objects and landforms.
For me, it's what the doctor ordered. I don't want, nor need, the
advanced features you pay more for in other models.
Mike
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| Re: Bushnell Advice [message #1024740 ] |
Sun, 14 May 2006 05:23 |
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long&left wrote:
> Jeff Givens wrote:
>
>> I am looking at either a Yardage Pro Tour or a 1500 (sans slope).
>>
>> My problem is I have horrific depth perception and cannot judge distances
>> at all. I am more interested in using the device off the tee to get
>> distances to hazards and such, I can always get pin distances via other
>> means.
>>
>> Will the Yardage Pro work for hazards and such in the 250-300 yard
>> range or
>> do I need the 1500?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> ____________________________________________________________ _____
>> JG... Jeff Givens
>> mailto:jgivensXX [at] comcastXX.netXX
>>
>> "My hovercraft is full of eels."
>
>
> firstly, ignore vfe. Secondly, I've got a Yardage Pro 1000 and it will
> get distances to, well 1000 yds, although I've never tried it at that
> distance. It will accurately measure to normal golf course stuff, at say
> 400 yds, if you can hold it steady enough to fix on an object for a few
> seconds. If you need it for long distances typically I'd recommend a
> monopod of some sort for it. I just lean on my golf cart to steady
> myself and it works fine. And, my depth perception is also horrific :)
> Dave
Wouldn't your leaning on the golf cart make it, not a monopod, but a
quadropod?
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RSG-Wisconsin 2006: June 23-25 Info: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2006/
RSG-Wisconsin 2005 Pics: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2005/pics/
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| Re: Bushnell Advice [message #1024742 ] |
Sun, 14 May 2006 05:40 |
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fiveiron [at] webtv.net wrote:
>>And,
>>my depth perception is also horrific :) >Dave
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> ==
> And that isn't all.
>
a slam from fivey...will the wonders ever cease :)
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| Re: Bushnell Advice [message #1024744 ] |
Sun, 14 May 2006 05:44 |
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Mike Dalecki wrote:
> long&left wrote:
>
>> Jeff Givens wrote:
>>
>>> I am looking at either a Yardage Pro Tour or a 1500 (sans slope).
>>>
>>> My problem is I have horrific depth perception and cannot judge
>>> distances
>>> at all. I am more interested in using the device off the tee to get
>>> distances to hazards and such, I can always get pin distances via other
>>> means.
>>>
>>> Will the Yardage Pro work for hazards and such in the 250-300 yard
>>> range or
>>> do I need the 1500?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> ____________________________________________________________ _____
>>> JG... Jeff Givens
>>> mailto:jgivensXX [at] comcastXX.netXX
>>>
>>> "My hovercraft is full of eels."
>>
>>
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>> firstly, ignore vfe. Secondly, I've got a Yardage Pro 1000 and it will
>> get distances to, well 1000 yds, although I've never tried it at that
>> distance. It will accurately measure to normal golf course stuff, at
>> say 400 yds, if you can hold it steady enough to fix on an object for
>> a few seconds. If you need it for long distances typically I'd
>> recommend a monopod of some sort for it. I just lean on my golf cart
>> to steady myself and it works fine. And, my depth perception is also
>> horrific :)
>> Dave
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> Wouldn't your leaning on the golf cart make it, not a monopod, but a
> quadropod?
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or a tripod?? (two legs and an elbow) A friend of mine has a range
finder that he has mounted on the top of a single legged pole with a
screw attachment that fits in the bottom of the device...a monopod??
Anyway, he just sticks it in his golf bag like a club and it's ready to
use anytime he needs it. Very steady but over the top IMO...
Dave
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| Re: Bushnell Advice [message #1024756 ] |
Sun, 14 May 2006 07:57 |
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Jeff Givens wrote:
> I am looking at either a Yardage Pro Tour or a 1500 (sans slope).
>
> My problem is I have horrific depth perception and cannot judge distances
> at all. I am more interested in using the device off the tee to get
> distances to hazards and such, I can always get pin distances via other
> means.
>
> Will the Yardage Pro work for hazards and such in the 250-300 yard range or
> do I need the 1500?
The Tour works fine for those yardages, depending on what you're trying
to bounce of it off. If it's the back of the bunker, it's fine. If
it's a 2" dia. sapling, you probably can't hold it that steady.
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| Re: Bushnell Advice [message #1024791 ] |
Sun, 14 May 2006 15:59 |
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On Sat, 13 May 2006 17:45:41 -0700 long&left <nospam [at] diespammers.com>
wrote:
>firstly, ignore vfe. Secondly, I've got a Yardage Pro 1000 and it will
>get distances to, well 1000 yds, although I've never tried it at that
>distance. It will accurately measure to normal golf course stuff, at say
>400 yds, if you can hold it steady enough to fix on an object for a few
>seconds. If you need it for long distances typically I'd recommend a
>monopod of some sort for it. I just lean on my golf cart to steady
>myself and it works fine. And, my depth perception is also horrific :)
>Dave
Thx everyone. Looks like the Pro will be fine. I just need to spot ranges
just for woods, tee shots and an occasional FW shot, for landing area
distances. I probably won't use it for approach shots unless on a poorly
marked course.
I have an organic eye problem that gives me a terrible time in judging
distances. A bunker at 250 will look anything from 200-300 to me, or worse,
depending on surrounding features. There are few things worse in this game
then to hit a shot well and shape it just as planned and have it land in an
unexpected spot due to a vision problem.
____________________________________________________________ _____
JG... Jeff Givens
mailto:jgivensXX [at] comcastXX.netXX
"My hovercraft is full of eels."
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| Re: Bushnell Advice [message #1024794 ] |
Sun, 14 May 2006 16:48 |
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Jeff Givens wrote:
> On Sat, 13 May 2006 17:45:41 -0700 long&left <nospam [at] diespammers.com>
> wrote:
>
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>>firstly, ignore vfe. Secondly, I've got a Yardage Pro 1000 and it will
>>get distances to, well 1000 yds, although I've never tried it at that
>>distance. It will accurately measure to normal golf course stuff, at say
>>400 yds, if you can hold it steady enough to fix on an object for a few
>>seconds. If you need it for long distances typically I'd recommend a
>>monopod of some sort for it. I just lean on my golf cart to steady
>>myself and it works fine. And, my depth perception is also horrific :)
>>Dave
>
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> Thx everyone. Looks like the Pro will be fine. I just need to spot ranges
> just for woods, tee shots and an occasional FW shot, for landing area
> distances. I probably won't use it for approach shots unless on a poorly
> marked course.
>
> I have an organic eye problem that gives me a terrible time in judging
> distances. A bunker at 250 will look anything from 200-300 to me, or worse,
> depending on surrounding features. There are few things worse in this game
> then to hit a shot well and shape it just as planned and have it land in an
> unexpected spot due to a vision problem.
This is not necessarily an issue endemic to anyone w/ an eye problem.
Course designers often attempt to create optical illusions through their
placement of bunkers, use of hills or berms, elevation changes, and even
the sizes of trees they use down the fairway.
I can get fooled by that kind of stuff, and I don't have the condition
you describe.
I'm not saying you don't have an eye problem, I am saying that some of
what you experience may have nothing to do with your eyes. There are
all sorts of other illusions used by course designers to fool your eye.
One trick is to use trees that are a little taller or shorter down the
fairway, as you move away from the tee (or landing area) to give a sense
that bunkers, the green, etc. are either further or closer than they
really are. This is similar to the kind of perspective gimmickry they
use at Disneyland, where the buildings are smaller than they appear, but
the designers used tricks like making the bricks painted on a building's
front smaller and smaller as they go up. Sort of a forced perspective
thing.
Another is the placement of a bunker perhaps 40 yards short of a green,
with a berm behind the bunker blocking your view of the putting surface.
This has the effect of making the green appear closer to the bunker
than it is.
A third optical trick is the use of valleys or dips between tee box and
green. If the actual elevation change to the green is uphill, this can
make it appear as if it is on the same elevation as the tee box.
So don't blame it all on your eyes. Course designers are trying to
screw up your judgment all the time. They're good at it, too. :)
Mike
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Mike Dalecki GCA Accredited Clubmaker http://clubdoctor.com
RSG-Wisconsin 2006: June 23-25 Info: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2006/
RSG-Wisconsin 2005 Pics: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2005/pics/
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| Re: Bushnell Advice [message #1024799 ] |
Sun, 14 May 2006 17:23 |
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On Sun, 14 May 2006 09:48:14 -0500 Mike Dalecki <mike [at] dalecki.net> wrote:
>So don't blame it all on your eyes. Course designers are trying to
>screw up your judgment all the time. They're good at it, too. :)
Oh I understand all the other subtleties, like this game isn't hard enough
just swinging a club without all that other stuff.
I've had a battery of ophthalmological test done confirming my problem
though. In all the tests everything looks 'flat' and I cannot pick out
differences in depth. I never knew I had this (I knew I couldn't judge
distances well) as 'serious' as that, until the tests.
It's weird, only over long distances, driving and flying (need good depth
perception to land nicely) are no problems.
I played a hole yesterday - picked an area where I wanted to carry, figured
about 225 or so, hit and FLEW way over, by about 75 yards. Turns out the
area was only about 175 from the tee.
Now all I gotta do is learn to use the device quickly...
____________________________________________________________ _____
JG... Jeff Givens
mailto:jgivensXX [at] comcastXX.netXX
"My hovercraft is full of eels."
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| Re: Bushnell Advice [message #1024842 ] |
Sun, 14 May 2006 23:02 |
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On Sun, 14 May 2006 09:48:14 -0500, Mike Dalecki <mike [at] dalecki.net>
wrote:
>So don't blame it all on your eyes. Course designers are trying to
>screw up your judgment all the time. They're good at it, too. :)
So will range finders put an end to this skill?
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| Re: Bushnell Advice [message #1024872 ] |
Mon, 15 May 2006 02:33 |
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>Now all I gotta do is learn to use
>the device quickly JG
=3D=3D=3D=3D
and, accurately, or you want benefit from its use.
enjoy your play pretty, and the best for the eye condition, but above
all, enjoy the game of golf.
ps - what makes you think the ball is going to the designated
location?:--)
>mho
>v=83e
>drive 10% less,
>don't discover safety by accident
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| Re: Bushnell Advice [message #1024873 ] |
Mon, 15 May 2006 02:37 |
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>So don't blame it all on your eyes.
>Course designers are trying to screw up >your judgment all the time.
>They're good at it,
>too :)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Whew!!! do I feel better, now that I know where the problem lies.:--)
>mho
>v=83e
>drive 10% less,
>don't discover safety by accident
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| Re: Bushnell Advice [message #1024881 ] |
Mon, 15 May 2006 03:27 |
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On Sun, 14 May 2006 19:33:27 -0500 fiveiron [at] webtv.net wrote:
>ps - what makes you think the ball is going to the designated
>location?:--)
Really, I gotta laugh, at myself included, for all the tribulations and
angst and effort and the result bears not even a passing similarity to the
anticipated.
____________________________________________________________ _____
JG... Jeff Givens
mailto:jgivensXX [at] comcastXX.netXX
"My hovercraft is full of eels."
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| Re: Bushnell Advice [message #1024915 ] |
Mon, 15 May 2006 12:04 |
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Jeff Givens wrote:
> I am looking at either a Yardage Pro Tour or a 1500 (sans slope).
>
> My problem is I have horrific depth perception and cannot judge distances
> at all. I am more interested in using the device off the tee to get
> distances to hazards and such, I can always get pin distances via other
> means.
>
> Will the Yardage Pro work for hazards and such in the 250-300 yard range or
> do I need the 1500?
I have the 1500(Tournament edition) and it works as advertised,
especially in Pinseeker mode. Definitely not a problem over 250-300
yards.
What is the exact ruling regarding rangefinders, does "local rules"
mean each course has to allow them specifically to be used during
handicap posting round or tournaments?
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| Re: Bushnell Advice [message #1024916 ] |
Mon, 15 May 2006 12:39 |
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"Shintaro" <nash.hon [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1147687480.845352.7320 [at] j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Jeff Givens wrote:
> > I am looking at either a Yardage Pro Tour or a 1500 (sans slope).
> >
> > My problem is I have horrific depth perception and cannot judge
distances
> > at all. I am more interested in using the device off the tee to get
> > distances to hazards and such, I can always get pin distances via other
> > means.
> >
> > Will the Yardage Pro work for hazards and such in the 250-300 yard range
or
> > do I need the 1500?
>
> I have the 1500(Tournament edition) and it works as advertised,
> especially in Pinseeker mode. Definitely not a problem over 250-300
> yards.
>
> What is the exact ruling regarding rangefinders, does "local rules"
> mean each course has to allow them specifically to be used during
> handicap posting round or tournaments?
>
Rounds played using rangefinders (the legal kind) should be posted whether
your course has a local rule allowing them or not. But to be legal there
must be a local rule established that allows them for the course that you
are playing.
dave
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| Re: Bushnell Advice [message #1024919 ] |
Mon, 15 May 2006 13:55 |
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On Mon, 15 May 2006 10:39:48 GMT, "Dave Lee"
<DaveLeeNC [at] ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>Rounds played using rangefinders (the legal kind) should be posted whether
>your course has a local rule allowing them or not. But to be legal there
>must be a local rule established that allows them for the course that you
>are playing.
Is the local rule defined for a course, or for a tournament?
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| Re: Bushnell Advice [message #1024922 ] |
Mon, 15 May 2006 14:21 |
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"Howard Brazee" <howard [at] brazee.net> wrote in message
news:l1rg62h175cb7rs8aag1vivr3o0ebk9btl [at] 4ax.com...
> On Mon, 15 May 2006 10:39:48 GMT, "Dave Lee"
> <DaveLeeNC [at] ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
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> >Rounds played using rangefinders (the legal kind) should be posted
whether
> >your course has a local rule allowing them or not. But to be legal there
> >must be a local rule established that allows them for the course that you
> >are playing.
>
> Is the local rule defined for a course, or for a tournament?
It is defined for a course, in general. And these can clearly come and go
(such as the case of 'abnormal conditions'). Tournaments can also have local
rules specific to that competition I would think, but I don't play a lot of
tournaments outside our local golf organizations.
dave
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| Re: Bushnell Advice [message #1066426 ] |
Sun, 04 June 2006 23:01 |
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I've used Bushnell devices while golfing and have also worked for a GPS
company where some of my duties included marking golf courses for GPS
service. Herer are a few things I can tell you:
1. Even the best private golf courses are poorly marked. I'm not sure
who marks sprinkler heads and places the standard 100, 150, 200 and 250
markers in the middle of fairways, but they are consistently wrong.
2. GPS is not very accurrate. When marking courses, we acquire global
positions of things like "center of the green" and then, in order to
most closely match the yardages marked on spriklerheads, calibrate the
global positions we've already acquired. (If the yardage on the GPS
device you're using doesn't match the sprinklerheads on the course
you're playing, you won't trust either yardages and assume the GPS
system is wrong.
3. After purchasing a rangefinder, you'll quickly find out it's the
most important piece of equipment in your bag. My uncle (who's a 5
handicap) thought it was ridiculous that I purchased a rangefinder a
few years ago until I took him to a course and demonstrated that he was
consistently over/under-clubbing due to his reliance on sprinklerhead
yardages. You cannot imagine how amazed he was to find this out.
4. You'll use the rangefinder for approach shots <100 yards. (You may
THINK you can tell the difference between a 55-yard shot and a 65-yard
shot, but (if you're like 95% of the population) you're wrong.
Jeff Givens wrote:
> On Sat, 13 May 2006 17:45:41 -0700 long&left <nospam [at] diespammers.com>
> wrote:
>
> >firstly, ignore vfe. Secondly, I've got a Yardage Pro 1000 and it will
> >get distances to, well 1000 yds, although I've never tried it at that
> >distance. It will accurately measure to normal golf course stuff, at say
> >400 yds, if you can hold it steady enough to fix on an object for a few
> >seconds. If you need it for long distances typically I'd recommend a
> >monopod of some sort for it. I just lean on my golf cart to steady
> >myself and it works fine. And, my depth perception is also horrific :)
> >Dave
>
> Thx everyone. Looks like the Pro will be fine. I just need to spot ranges
> just for woods, tee shots and an occasional FW shot, for landing area
> distances. I probably won't use it for approach shots unless on a poorly
> marked course.
>
> I have an organic eye problem that gives me a terrible time in judging
> distances. A bunker at 250 will look anything from 200-300 to me, or worse,
> depending on surrounding features. There are few things worse in this game
> then to hit a shot well and shape it just as planned and have it land in an
> unexpected spot due to a vision problem.
> ____________________________________________________________ _____
> JG... Jeff Givens
> mailto:jgivensXX [at] comcastXX.netXX
>
> "My hovercraft is full of eels."
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