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| Full swing lob and sand wedges [message #1024363] |
Do, 11 Mai 2006 18:00 |
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I am not consistent in how far I hit my full swing lob and sand
wedges. Distance can vary considerably. I can swing a half lob
wedge with decent accuracy though. When I can I use a longer club,
and when I can't I hope.
Yesterday, with the wind behind me, and the pin right to the front of
the green, my companion hit a 9I which rolled the ball off the back of
the green, so I teed off with my AW and tried to hit hard. Apparently
I jerked at the top of my swing messed up very wide. That was dumb - I
am not at the stage where I can try to overpower a wedge. But
normally my AW is accurate.
So when I need to hit a high 80 or 100 yard shot, it's a crap shoot.
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| Re: Full swing lob and sand wedges [message #1024374 ] |
Do, 11 Mai 2006 19:52 |
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Try using this, i think this would help
http://www.golfer-review.com/prdt.php?id=C1413_Ben_Hogan_Sur e-Out_Wedges
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| Re: Full swing lob and sand wedges [message #1024419 ] |
Fr, 12 Mai 2006 01:55 |
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Is there a question in here somewhere? 8^)
Do you have any idea why you're "not consistent in how far I hit my full
swing lob and sand wedge"? Do you not make consistent contact? Or do you
suspect you're inconsistent with your swing length/velocity?
Not sure what kind of feedback youre looking for here, but I know in my
case I've been working a lot on shortening my backswing for better iron
control. What feels like a 1/2 swing to me is really a quite full
backswing (a "full" swing feel is too far), and I suspect that's a
pretty common problem. I think this is especially true for wedges and
short irons. My gap wedge at about 95 yards is probably my most accurate
shot.
Rob
Howard Brazee wrote:
> I am not consistent in how far I hit my full swing lob and sand
> wedges. Distance can vary considerably. I can swing a half lob
> wedge with decent accuracy though. When I can I use a longer club,
> and when I can't I hope.
>
> Yesterday, with the wind behind me, and the pin right to the front of
> the green, my companion hit a 9I which rolled the ball off the back of
> the green, so I teed off with my AW and tried to hit hard. Apparently
> I jerked at the top of my swing messed up very wide. That was dumb - I
> am not at the stage where I can try to overpower a wedge. But
> normally my AW is accurate.
>
> So when I need to hit a high 80 or 100 yard shot, it's a crap shoot.
>
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| Re: Full swing lob and sand wedges [message #1024422 ] |
Fr, 12 Mai 2006 02:34 |
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>So when I need to hit a high 80 or 100 >yard shot,
>it's a crap shoot.
=3D=3D=3D=3D
more than likely a crap-out, acey - doosey.:--)
but to effect a decent shot as you mentioned, you might take one more
club,
play the ball off the left heel, and tip the right shoulder a little
more than usual,
with a little sharper approach with the club. That'll do it.
>mho
>v=83e
>D r i v e / E a t =A0L e s s - $ a v e =A0M o n e y
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| Re: Full swing lob and sand wedges [message #1024423 ] |
Fr, 12 Mai 2006 03:06 |
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On Thu, 11 May 2006 23:55:36 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob [at] verizon.net>
wrote:
>Is there a question in here somewhere? 8^)
I'm hoping for discussion in hope of learning something.
>Do you have any idea why you're "not consistent in how far I hit my full
>swing lob and sand wedge"? Do you not make consistent contact? Or do you
>suspect you're inconsistent with your swing length/velocity?
I suspect my misses are more about where in the swing I make my
contact. But I don't know.
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| Re: Full swing lob and sand wedges [message #1024448 ] |
Fr, 12 Mai 2006 06:02 |
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You need to practice your full swing with the sand and pitching wedges.
I am more consistent with my pitching wedge from 120 yards in. If I have
to hop over a hill, I might use my sand wedge. The key would be to use
as few clubs as possible for most people. I spent weeks practicing with
the lob wedge and got really good with it, BUT all my other clubs
suffered. When I was 16 my set had only the odd numbered clubs and I
never used the 9i. I used the 7i for all my pitching and I guess from
150 yards in. I find that if the hole is close to a hill on the side of
the green from where I am pitching over that I can bump the top of the
hill and roll it over with a pitching wedge easier than using a lob wedge
or sand wedge. Practice different distances with your pitching wedge.
Howard Brazee <howard [at] brazee.net> wrote in
news:cin662pjj221nsf4tsjn8a0oh8vtrb69i9 [at] 4ax.com:
> I am not consistent in how far I hit my full swing lob and sand
> wedges. Distance can vary considerably. I can swing a half lob
> wedge with decent accuracy though. When I can I use a longer club,
> and when I can't I hope.
>
> Yesterday, with the wind behind me, and the pin right to the front of
> the green, my companion hit a 9I which rolled the ball off the back of
> the green, so I teed off with my AW and tried to hit hard. Apparently
> I jerked at the top of my swing messed up very wide. That was dumb - I
> am not at the stage where I can try to overpower a wedge. But
> normally my AW is accurate.
>
> So when I need to hit a high 80 or 100 yard shot, it's a crap shoot.
>
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| Re: Full swing lob and sand wedges [message #1024471 ] |
Fr, 12 Mai 2006 14:22 |
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"Howard Brazee" <howard [at] brazee.net> wrote in message
news:cin662pjj221nsf4tsjn8a0oh8vtrb69i9 [at] 4ax.com...
> I am not consistent in how far I hit my full swing lob and sand
> wedges. Distance can vary considerably. I can swing a half lob
> wedge with decent accuracy though. When I can I use a longer club,
> and when I can't I hope.
>
> Yesterday, with the wind behind me, and the pin right to the front of
> the green, my companion hit a 9I which rolled the ball off the back of
> the green, so I teed off with my AW and tried to hit hard. Apparently
> I jerked at the top of my swing messed up very wide. That was dumb - I
> am not at the stage where I can try to overpower a wedge. But
> normally my AW is accurate.
>
> So when I need to hit a high 80 or 100 yard shot, it's a crap shoot.
>
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A couple of things that may or may not be factors.
1) An incorrect lie in the highest lofted clubs has a much larger effect on
ballflight vs. the lower lofted clubs.
2) In most cases folks buy their wedges (other than PW) separate from their
other irons, so it is possible that your AW/SW/LW lies are all screwed up
while your other irons are OK.
3) In my experience once you get up to 56* and higher lofts, good ball
contact becomes more difficult. I'm not sure that this is true for everyone.
I recently built a new SW and LW and built them (as close as I could) to
match (shaft, flex, and SwWt) my PW. I found this to be somewhat helpful.
dave
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| Re: Full swing lob and sand wedges [message #1024474 ] |
Fr, 12 Mai 2006 15:02 |
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Thu, 11 May 2006 23:55:36 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob [at] verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Is there a question in here somewhere? 8^)
>
> I'm hoping for discussion in hope of learning something.
>
> >Do you have any idea why you're "not consistent in how far I hit my full
> >swing lob and sand wedge"? Do you not make consistent contact? Or do you
> >suspect you're inconsistent with your swing length/velocity?
>
> I suspect my misses are more about where in the swing I make my
> contact. But I don't know.
Since distance control is generally the mitigating factor in hitting a
ball close from within 100 yards, rather than direction, it's important
to make CONSISTENT contact from shot to shot to hit it a certain
distance.
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| Re: Full swing lob and sand wedges [message #1024477 ] |
Fr, 12 Mai 2006 15:13 |
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On Thu, 11 May 2006 23:02:16 -0500, Paul David <pauld63 [at] yahoo.com>
wrote:
>You need to practice your full swing with the sand and pitching wedges.
>I am more consistent with my pitching wedge from 120 yards in. If I have
>to hop over a hill, I might use my sand wedge. The key would be to use
>as few clubs as possible for most people. I spent weeks practicing with
>the lob wedge and got really good with it, BUT all my other clubs
>suffered. When I was 16 my set had only the odd numbered clubs and I
>never used the 9i. I used the 7i for all my pitching and I guess from
>150 yards in. I find that if the hole is close to a hill on the side of
>the green from where I am pitching over that I can bump the top of the
>hill and roll it over with a pitching wedge easier than using a lob wedge
>or sand wedge. Practice different distances with your pitching wedge.
I spend more practice with my wedges than with other clubs. My
pitching wedge *is* accurate at full and partial distance (at least by
the standards of people with my handicap). But I can't always use it
on the course, so I need to use my sand wedge and lob wedge sometimes,
which are not accurate with a full swing.
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| Re: Full swing lob and sand wedges [message #1024478 ] |
Fr, 12 Mai 2006 15:16 |
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On Fri, 12 May 2006 12:22:18 GMT, "Dave Lee"
<DaveLeeNC [at] ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>1) An incorrect lie in the highest lofted clubs has a much larger effect on
>ballflight vs. the lower lofted clubs.
That could be, although GolfSmith adjusted the clubs' lengths, they
didn't do a lie test.
>2) In most cases folks buy their wedges (other than PW) separate from their
>other irons, so it is possible that your AW/SW/LW lies are all screwed up
>while your other irons are OK.
The reason I selected the XPC Tour Steel is because that set included
4 wedges.
>3) In my experience once you get up to 56* and higher lofts, good ball
>contact becomes more difficult. I'm not sure that this is true for everyone.
>I recently built a new SW and LW and built them (as close as I could) to
>match (shaft, flex, and SwWt) my PW. I found this to be somewhat helpful.
I think it is true for me. Larry mentioned the advantage of
practicing with a 2I because it is difficult to hit right - I find the
lob wedge is more difficult to hit right.
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| Re: Full swing lob and sand wedges [message #1024611 ] |
Sa, 13 Mai 2006 05:31 |
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I do carry the Lob wedge around in my bag, but when I went to the driving
range some time ago; I found little difference in the full swing
distances between the Lob & sand wedges. I played with a guy with a very
low handicap who did not have a lob wedge. He just opened the face of
his sand wedge. My home course does not require a lob wedge and rarely a
sand wedge, but I do use the sand wedge some.
Howard Brazee <howard [at] brazee.net> wrote in
news:8g2962t4gteeuqujntsc4ct1hafp32tr6i [at] 4ax.com:
> On Fri, 12 May 2006 12:22:18 GMT, "Dave Lee"
> <DaveLeeNC [at] ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>
>>1) An incorrect lie in the highest lofted clubs has a much larger
>>effect on ballflight vs. the lower lofted clubs.
>
> That could be, although GolfSmith adjusted the clubs' lengths, they
> didn't do a lie test.
>
>>2) In most cases folks buy their wedges (other than PW) separate from
>>their other irons, so it is possible that your AW/SW/LW lies are all
>>screwed up while your other irons are OK.
>
> The reason I selected the XPC Tour Steel is because that set included
> 4 wedges.
>
>>3) In my experience once you get up to 56* and higher lofts, good ball
>>contact becomes more difficult. I'm not sure that this is true for
>>everyone. I recently built a new SW and LW and built them (as close as
>>I could) to match (shaft, flex, and SwWt) my PW. I found this to be
>>somewhat helpful.
>
> I think it is true for me. Larry mentioned the advantage of
> practicing with a 2I because it is difficult to hit right - I find the
> lob wedge is more difficult to hit right.
>
--
" Location 75 miles north of New Orleans "
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| Re: Full swing lob and sand wedges [message #1024931 ] |
Mo, 15 Mai 2006 15:11 |
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> I am not consistent in how far I hit my full swing lob and sand
> wedges. Distance can vary considerably. I can swing a half lob
> wedge with decent accuracy though. When I can I use a longer club,
> and when I can't I hope.
>
> Yesterday, with the wind behind me, and the pin right to the front of
> the green, my companion hit a 9I which rolled the ball off the back of
> the green, so I teed off with my AW and tried to hit hard. Apparently
> I jerked at the top of my swing messed up very wide. That was dumb - I
> am not at the stage where I can try to overpower a wedge. But
> normally my AW is accurate.
>
> So when I need to hit a high 80 or 100 yard shot, it's a crap shoot.
>
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Funny that you should mention this.... I've noticed that when I haven't
played in a while (a few weeks) my 'touch' around the greens is
diminished and I quite simply can not gauge the distance my wedge shots
will travel. I used to get tighter and more aggitated with myslef but
you know what? I found out (through trial and error) that if I loosen my
grip my control comes back :) Seems as though the tension was what was
killing me. Hence, my warm up includes ~30 wedge shots to targets at
various distances from differing lies.
May not work for you but it does for me,
Binh.
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| Re: Full swing lob and sand wedges [message #1024938 ] |
Mo, 15 Mai 2006 16:11 |
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On Mon, 15 May 2006 13:11:09 GMT, Binh Nguyen
<linuxfilesystem [at] yahooo.com.au> wrote:
>Funny that you should mention this.... I've noticed that when I haven't
>played in a while (a few weeks) my 'touch' around the greens is
>diminished and I quite simply can not gauge the distance my wedge shots
>will travel. I used to get tighter and more aggitated with myslef but
>you know what? I found out (through trial and error) that if I loosen my
>grip my control comes back :) Seems as though the tension was what was
>killing me. Hence, my warm up includes ~30 wedge shots to targets at
>various distances from differing lies.
>
>May not work for you but it does for me,
>Binh.
Thanks, that makes a lot of sense.
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| Re: Full swing lob and sand wedges [message #1024940 ] |
Mo, 15 Mai 2006 16:23 |
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> I am not consistent in how far I hit my full swing lob and sand
> wedges. Distance can vary considerably. I can swing a half lob
> wedge with decent accuracy though. When I can I use a longer club,
> and when I can't I hope.
>
> Yesterday, with the wind behind me, and the pin right to the front of
> the green, my companion hit a 9I which rolled the ball off the back of
> the green, so I teed off with my AW and tried to hit hard. Apparently
> I jerked at the top of my swing messed up very wide. That was dumb - I
> am not at the stage where I can try to overpower a wedge. But
> normally my AW is accurate.
>
> So when I need to hit a high 80 or 100 yard shot, it's a crap shoot.
>
For what it's worth, I've seen some pros say that they never hit a
full-out
swing with a wedge.
I thin your problem was that you tried to "hit hard". Don't swing
harder,
swing longer. Take the same swing tempo that you use to hit your
9:00 swing, and just extend that back to 10:30.
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| Re: Full swing lob and sand wedges [message #1024949 ] |
Mo, 15 Mai 2006 16:46 |
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On 15 May 2006 07:23:21 -0700, "Birdie Bill"
<bighorn_bill [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>For what it's worth, I've seen some pros say that they never hit a
>full-out swing with a wedge.
I talked to my pro this weekend, and he recommended the same thing. If
I want a 100 yard wedge shot, why try to use my unreliable sand wedge
full swing, when I have a partial swing pitching wedge available?
I'll still practice my full swing short wedges some - but with the
idea that they are just to test my swing, and then work more on my
partial swing long wedges than I do now. These will have to be my
money shots.
>I thin your problem was that you tried to "hit hard". Don't swing harder,
>swing longer. Take the same swing tempo that you use to hit your
>9:00 swing, and just extend that back to 10:30.
Swinging longer is working well for me with my longer clubs (at this
point of my development), so I expect you're right.
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