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| Re: Condolences to the USC Family [message #1015709] |
Sat, 13 May 2006 20:57 |
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[ Sat, 13 May 2006 13:42:30 -0500 ]
[ Don Shennum | dshennum [at] yahoo.com ]
[ <kTp9g.28964$fG3.11581 [at] dukeread09> ]
:Starting PG Ryan Francis was killed while visiting home last night.
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:http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2443805
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:My condolences to the extended USC family over the loss.
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:Regards,
Agreed. That's just terrible.
--
Bryan S. Slick, onyx_hokie at yahoo dot com
"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
(Salvor Hardin in 'Foundation', Isaac Asimov)
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| Re: Condolences to the USC Family [message #1015710 ] |
Sat, 13 May 2006 21:23 |
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"Bryan S. Slick" <onyx_hokie [at] hi-lo.not> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ecff61ae3905aa398ae1e [at] news-40.giganews.com...
> [ Sat, 13 May 2006 13:42:30 -0500 ]
> [ Don Shennum | dshennum [at] yahoo.com ]
> [ <kTp9g.28964$fG3.11581 [at] dukeread09> ]
>
> :Starting PG Ryan Francis was killed while visiting home last night.
> :
> :http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2443805
> :
> :My condolences to the extended USC family over the loss.
> :
> :Regards,
>
> Agreed. That's just terrible.
Ditto! And how ironic?
The guy leaves the driveby shooting center to go home and get shot in a car.
Go figure!
Heiman
>
> --
> Bryan S. Slick, onyx_hokie at yahoo dot com
>
> "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
>
> (Salvor Hardin in 'Foundation', Isaac Asimov)
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| Re: Condolences to the USC Family [message #1015711 ] |
Sun, 14 May 2006 05:24 |
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Glen Heiman wrote:
> "Bryan S. Slick" <onyx_hokie [at] hi-lo.not> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1ecff61ae3905aa398ae1e [at] news-40.giganews.com...
>
>>[ Sat, 13 May 2006 13:42:30 -0500 ]
>>[ Don Shennum | dshennum [at] yahoo.com ]
>>[ <kTp9g.28964$fG3.11581 [at] dukeread09> ]
>>
>>:Starting PG Ryan Francis was killed while visiting home last night.
>>:
>>:http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2443805
>>:
>>:My condolences to the extended USC family over the loss.
>>:
>>:Regards,
>>
>>Agreed. That's just terrible.
>
>
>
> Ditto! And how ironic?
> The guy leaves the driveby shooting center to go home
it's a very sad story here in baton rouge. he was a big star at glen
oaks high school, led the team to the state championship in 05.
--
"when i visited Aden before collectivization,
all the markets were full of fish product. After
collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."
- Aleksandr Vassiliev, Soviet KGB official
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| Re: Condolences to the USC Family [message #1015712 ] |
Sun, 14 May 2006 06:14 |
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"stephenj" <sjek [at] cox.net> wrote in message
news:Fpx9g.13505$4H.11362 [at] dukeread03...
> Glen Heiman wrote:
> > "Bryan S. Slick" <onyx_hokie [at] hi-lo.not> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.1ecff61ae3905aa398ae1e [at] news-40.giganews.com...
> >
> >>[ Sat, 13 May 2006 13:42:30 -0500 ]
> >>[ Don Shennum | dshennum [at] yahoo.com ]
> >>[ <kTp9g.28964$fG3.11581 [at] dukeread09> ]
> >>
> >>:Starting PG Ryan Francis was killed while visiting home last night.
> >>:
> >>:http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2443805
> >>:
> >>:My condolences to the extended USC family over the loss.
> >>:
> >>:Regards,
> >>
> >>Agreed. That's just terrible.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ditto! And how ironic?
> > The guy leaves the driveby shooting center to go home
>
> it's a very sad story here in baton rouge. he was a big star at glen
> oaks high school, led the team to the state championship in 05.
Yeah but wait. The NCAA rules will accuse his teammates and USC of a
violation of the rules for going to Baton Rouge for RF's funeral/memorial
service. The NCAA will claim it is an unfair advantage not offered to other
students. The NCAA needs to wake up to reality and stop f***ing with young
people who have emotional reactions to real life events.
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| Re: Condolences to the USC Family [message #1015713 ] |
Sun, 14 May 2006 13:13 |
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Bob Whiteside wrote:
> "stephenj" <sjek [at] cox.net> wrote in message
> news:Fpx9g.13505$4H.11362 [at] dukeread03...
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>>Glen Heiman wrote:
>>
>>>"Bryan S. Slick" <onyx_hokie [at] hi-lo.not> wrote in message
>>>news:MPG.1ecff61ae3905aa398ae1e [at] news-40.giganews.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>[ Sat, 13 May 2006 13:42:30 -0500 ]
>>>>[ Don Shennum | dshennum [at] yahoo.com ]
>>>>[ <kTp9g.28964$fG3.11581 [at] dukeread09> ]
>>>>
>>>>:Starting PG Ryan Francis was killed while visiting home last night.
>>>>:
>>>>:http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2443805
>>>>:
>>>>:My condolences to the extended USC family over the loss.
>>>>:
>>>>:Regards,
>>>>
>>>>Agreed. That's just terrible.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Ditto! And how ironic?
>>>The guy leaves the driveby shooting center to go home
>>
>>it's a very sad story here in baton rouge. he was a big star at glen
>>oaks high school, led the team to the state championship in 05.
>
>
> Yeah but wait. The NCAA rules will accuse his teammates and USC of a
> violation of the rules for going to Baton Rouge for RF's funeral/memorial
> service. The NCAA will claim it is an unfair advantage not offered to other
> students. The NCAA needs to wake up to reality and stop f***ing with young
> people who have emotional reactions to real life events.
Does prospective agents and marketers letting reggie's family live
rent-free in a 750k house count as young people having emotional
reactions to real life events?
btw, the intersection that Francis was killed at was in a notoriously
shitty (read, "ghetto") part of town. bad idea to be cruising through
there at 3am on friday night.
rip
--
"when i visited Aden before collectivization,
all the markets were full of fish product. After
collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."
- Aleksandr Vassiliev, Soviet KGB official
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| Re: Condolences to the USC Family [message #1015714 ] |
Sun, 14 May 2006 18:11 |
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Bob Whiteside wrote:
> stephenj wrote:
>> it's a very sad story here in baton rouge. he was a big star at glen
>> oaks high school, led the team to the state championship in 05.
>Yeah but wait. The NCAA rules will accuse his teammates and USC of a
>violation of the rules for going to Baton Rouge for RF's funeral/memorial
>service. The NCAA will claim it is an unfair advantage not offered to other
>students. The NCAA needs to wake up to reality and stop f***ing with young
>people who have emotional reactions to real life events.
That's my cue, isn't it?
NCAA Division I Manual, Bylaw 16.6.1.3:
"The institution may pay transportation, housing and meal
expenses...for the student-athlete’s teammates to be present in
situations in which a student-athlete suffers a lifethreatening
injury or illness, or, in the event of a student-athlete’s death, to
provide these expenses in conjunction with funeral arrangements."
-- Don
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| Re: Condolences to the USC Family [message #1015715 ] |
Mon, 15 May 2006 05:43 |
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Don Del Grande wrote:
> Bob Whiteside wrote:
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>>stephenj wrote:
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>>>it's a very sad story here in baton rouge. he was a big star at glen
>>>oaks high school, led the team to the state championship in 05.
>
>
>>Yeah but wait. The NCAA rules will accuse his teammates and USC of a
>>violation of the rules for going to Baton Rouge for RF's funeral/memorial
>>service. The NCAA will claim it is an unfair advantage not offered to other
>>students. The NCAA needs to wake up to reality and stop f***ing with young
>>people who have emotional reactions to real life events.
>
>
> That's my cue, isn't it?
>
> NCAA Division I Manual, Bylaw 16.6.1.3:
> "The institution may pay transportation, housing and meal
> expenses...for the student-athlete’s teammates to be present in
> situations in which a student-athlete suffers a lifethreatening
> injury or illness, or, in the event of a student-athlete’s death, to
> provide these expenses in conjunction with funeral arrangements."
so the NCAA has a heart after all.
--
Marx's mission was to identify fault, place blame, urge change,
and above all, to enlist disciplined belief. In the latter,
his success exceeded any man since Mohammed.
- JK Galbraith
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| Re: Condolences to the USC Family [message #1015718 ] |
Mon, 15 May 2006 18:43 |
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"stephenj" <sjek [at] cox.net> wrote in message
news:ANS9g.22357$4H.5293 [at] dukeread03...
> Don Del Grande wrote:
> > Bob Whiteside wrote:
> >
> >
> >>stephenj wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>it's a very sad story here in baton rouge. he was a big star at glen
> >>>oaks high school, led the team to the state championship in 05.
> >
> >
> >>Yeah but wait. The NCAA rules will accuse his teammates and USC of a
> >>violation of the rules for going to Baton Rouge for RF's
funeral/memorial
> >>service. The NCAA will claim it is an unfair advantage not offered to
other
> >>students. The NCAA needs to wake up to reality and stop f***ing with
young
> >>people who have emotional reactions to real life events.
> >
> >
> > That's my cue, isn't it?
> >
> > NCAA Division I Manual, Bylaw 16.6.1.3:
> > "The institution may pay transportation, housing and meal
> > expenses...for the student-athlete’s teammates to be present in
> > situations in which a student-athlete suffers a lifethreatening
> > injury or illness, or, in the event of a student-athlete’s death, to
> > provide these expenses in conjunction with funeral arrangements."
>
> so the NCAA has a heart after all.
It's not as cut and dried as the poster has implied. USC is on the semester
system. Final exams for the Spring term ended last week. The
student-athletes are on a break from school just like any other student.
Ryan Francis went home to Baton Rouge for a visit after his last final.
Some of his teammates are scattered all across the country. Some are in Los
Angeles remaining there for Summer school. The NCAA compliance concerns
revolve around questions about whether the teammates must return to L.A. at
their own expense to travel with the team, or can they travel from their
homes or summer vacation locations to Baton Rouge. And after the funeral do
they have to go back to where their trip originated from or can they go
somewhere else at school expense.
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| Re: Condolences to the USC Family [message #1015721 ] |
Tue, 16 May 2006 04:20 |
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Bryan S. Slick wrote:
> [ Sat, 13 May 2006 13:42:30 -0500 ]
> [ Don Shennum | dshennum [at] yahoo.com ]
> [ <kTp9g.28964$fG3.11581 [at] dukeread09> ]
>
> :Starting PG Ryan Francis was killed while visiting home last night.
> :
> :http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2443805
> :
> :My condolences to the extended USC family over the loss.
> :
> :Regards,
>
> Agreed. That's just terrible.
STFU troll. Your fake sympathy is terrible.
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| Re: Condolences to the USC Family [message #1015722 ] |
Tue, 16 May 2006 04:41 |
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Bob Whiteside wrote:
> "stephenj" <sjek [at] cox.net> wrote in message
> news:ANS9g.22357$4H.5293 [at] dukeread03...
> > Don Del Grande wrote:
> > > Bob Whiteside wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>stephenj wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>>it's a very sad story here in baton rouge. he was a big star at glen
> > >>>oaks high school, led the team to the state championship in 05.
> > >
> > >
> > >>Yeah but wait. The NCAA rules will accuse his teammates and USC of a
> > >>violation of the rules for going to Baton Rouge for RF's
> funeral/memorial
> > >>service. The NCAA will claim it is an unfair advantage not offered to
> other
> > >>students. The NCAA needs to wake up to reality and stop f***ing with
> young
> > >>people who have emotional reactions to real life events.
> > >
> > >
> > > That's my cue, isn't it?
> > >
> > > NCAA Division I Manual, Bylaw 16.6.1.3:
> > > "The institution may pay transportation, housing and meal
> > > expenses...for the student-athlete's teammates to be present in
> > > situations in which a student-athlete suffers a lifethreatening
> > > injury or illness, or, in the event of a student-athlete's death, to
> > > provide these expenses in conjunction with funeral arrangements."
> >
> > so the NCAA has a heart after all.
>
> It's not as cut and dried as the poster has implied. USC is on the semester
> system. Final exams for the Spring term ended last week. The
> student-athletes are on a break from school just like any other student.
> Ryan Francis went home to Baton Rouge for a visit after his last final.
> Some of his teammates are scattered all across the country. Some are in Los
> Angeles remaining there for Summer school. The NCAA compliance concerns
> revolve around questions about whether the teammates must return to L.A. at
> their own expense to travel with the team, or can they travel from their
> homes or summer vacation locations to Baton Rouge. And after the funeral do
> they have to go back to where their trip originated from or can they go
> somewhere else at school expense.
If student non-athletes disperse for break and one of them dies
somewhere else, the school doesn't pay for all the friends to go to the
funeral. That is assinine that athletes would get their travel paid.
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| Re: Condolences to the USC Family [message #1015723 ] |
Tue, 16 May 2006 06:12 |
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"Jason Bowen" <jasonmbowen [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1147747296.702901.207890 [at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Bob Whiteside wrote:
> > "stephenj" <sjek [at] cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:ANS9g.22357$4H.5293 [at] dukeread03...
> > > Don Del Grande wrote:
> > > > Bob Whiteside wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>stephenj wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>>it's a very sad story here in baton rouge. he was a big star at
glen
> > > >>>oaks high school, led the team to the state championship in 05.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Yeah but wait. The NCAA rules will accuse his teammates and USC of a
> > > >>violation of the rules for going to Baton Rouge for RF's
> > funeral/memorial
> > > >>service. The NCAA will claim it is an unfair advantage not offered
to
> > other
> > > >>students. The NCAA needs to wake up to reality and stop f***ing
with
> > young
> > > >>people who have emotional reactions to real life events.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's my cue, isn't it?
> > > >
> > > > NCAA Division I Manual, Bylaw 16.6.1.3:
> > > > "The institution may pay transportation, housing and meal
> > > > expenses...for the student-athlete's teammates to be present in
> > > > situations in which a student-athlete suffers a lifethreatening
> > > > injury or illness, or, in the event of a student-athlete's death, to
> > > > provide these expenses in conjunction with funeral arrangements."
> > >
> > > so the NCAA has a heart after all.
> >
> > It's not as cut and dried as the poster has implied. USC is on the
semester
> > system. Final exams for the Spring term ended last week. The
> > student-athletes are on a break from school just like any other
student.
> > Ryan Francis went home to Baton Rouge for a visit after his last final.
> > Some of his teammates are scattered all across the country. Some are in
Los
> > Angeles remaining there for Summer school. The NCAA compliance concerns
> > revolve around questions about whether the teammates must return to L.A.
at
> > their own expense to travel with the team, or can they travel from their
> > homes or summer vacation locations to Baton Rouge. And after the
funeral do
> > they have to go back to where their trip originated from or can they go
> > somewhere else at school expense.
>
> If student non-athletes disperse for break and one of them dies
> somewhere else, the school doesn't pay for all the friends to go to the
> funeral. That is assinine that athletes would get their travel paid.
I'm a Trojan. I think it is inconsistent USC has been given permission from
the NCAA to pay for the funeral, too. The NCAA rules punish
student-athletes and their families (Reggie Bush) for receiving special
treatment while they are alive and then turn around and condone special
treatment for student-athletes and their families (Ryan Francis) if they
die.
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| Re: Condolences to the USC Family [message #1015724 ] |
Tue, 16 May 2006 19:01 |
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"Bob Whiteside" <robertg [at] teleport.com> wrote
>> > > > NCAA Division I Manual, Bylaw 16.6.1.3:
>> > > > "The institution may pay transportation, housing and meal
>> > > > expenses...for the student-athlete's teammates to be present in
>> > > > situations in which a student-athlete suffers a lifethreatening
>> > > > injury or illness, or, in the event of a student-athlete's death, to
>> > > > provide these expenses in conjunction with funeral arrangements."
>> > >
>> > > so the NCAA has a heart after all.
>> >
>> > It's not as cut and dried as the poster has implied. USC is on the
> semester
>> > system. Final exams for the Spring term ended last week. The
>> > student-athletes are on a break from school just like any other
> student.
>> > Ryan Francis went home to Baton Rouge for a visit after his last final.
>> > Some of his teammates are scattered all across the country. Some are in
> Los
>> > Angeles remaining there for Summer school. The NCAA compliance concerns
>> > revolve around questions about whether the teammates must return to L.A.
> at
>> > their own expense to travel with the team, or can they travel from their
>> > homes or summer vacation locations to Baton Rouge. And after the
> funeral do
>> > they have to go back to where their trip originated from or can they go
>> > somewhere else at school expense.
The rules above don't seem to make such distinctions, just
that you be teammates. I guess if you've graduated that
would be an exception, but so long as you are a student in
good standing and on a team, it counts. It doesn't say
anything about traveling from where to where or what point
in the school year it is. It just says "provide these expenses
in conjunction with funeral arrangements."
>> If student non-athletes disperse for break and one of them dies
>> somewhere else, the school doesn't pay for all the friends to go to the
>> funeral. That is assinine that athletes would get their travel paid.
>
> I'm a Trojan. I think it is inconsistent USC has been given permission from
> the NCAA to pay for the funeral, too. The NCAA rules punish
> student-athletes and their families (Reggie Bush) for receiving special
> treatment while they are alive and then turn around and condone special
> treatment for student-athletes and their families (Ryan Francis) if they
> die.
The people receiving special treatment are the living athletes.
I have no more problem with the illness/death travel than I do
with traveling to the games. Some of these kids are on a
scholarship and could no more pay to get to a funeral for a
teammate than they could pay for room and board.
Yes, it is somewhat inconsistent with the other rules, but it
is well defined and serves a logical purpose. I have no problem.
--Tedward
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| Re: Condolences to the USC Family [message #1021853 ] |
Sat, 13 May 2006 21:23 |
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"Bryan S. Slick" <onyx_hokie [at] hi-lo.not> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ecff61ae3905aa398ae1e [at] news-40.giganews.com...
> [ Sat, 13 May 2006 13:42:30 -0500 ]
> [ Don Shennum | dshennum [at] yahoo.com ]
> [ <kTp9g.28964$fG3.11581 [at] dukeread09> ]
>
> :Starting PG Ryan Francis was killed while visiting home last night.
> :
> :http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2443805
> :
> :My condolences to the extended USC family over the loss.
> :
> :Regards,
>
> Agreed. That's just terrible.
Ditto! And how ironic?
The guy leaves the driveby shooting center to go home and get shot in a car.
Go figure!
Heiman
>
> --
> Bryan S. Slick, onyx_hokie at yahoo dot com
>
> "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
>
> (Salvor Hardin in 'Foundation', Isaac Asimov)
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| Re: Condolences to the USC Family [message #1022013 ] |
Sun, 14 May 2006 05:24 |
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Glen Heiman wrote:
> "Bryan S. Slick" <onyx_hokie [at] hi-lo.not> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1ecff61ae3905aa398ae1e [at] news-40.giganews.com...
>
>>[ Sat, 13 May 2006 13:42:30 -0500 ]
>>[ Don Shennum | dshennum [at] yahoo.com ]
>>[ <kTp9g.28964$fG3.11581 [at] dukeread09> ]
>>
>>:Starting PG Ryan Francis was killed while visiting home last night.
>>:
>>:http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2443805
>>:
>>:My condolences to the extended USC family over the loss.
>>:
>>:Regards,
>>
>>Agreed. That's just terrible.
>
>
>
> Ditto! And how ironic?
> The guy leaves the driveby shooting center to go home
it's a very sad story here in baton rouge. he was a big star at glen
oaks high school, led the team to the state championship in 05.
--
"when i visited Aden before collectivization,
all the markets were full of fish product. After
collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."
- Aleksandr Vassiliev, Soviet KGB official
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| Re: Condolences to the USC Family [message #1022030 ] |
Sun, 14 May 2006 06:14 |
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"stephenj" <sjek [at] cox.net> wrote in message
news:Fpx9g.13505$4H.11362 [at] dukeread03...
> Glen Heiman wrote:
> > "Bryan S. Slick" <onyx_hokie [at] hi-lo.not> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.1ecff61ae3905aa398ae1e [at] news-40.giganews.com...
> >
> >>[ Sat, 13 May 2006 13:42:30 -0500 ]
> >>[ Don Shennum | dshennum [at] yahoo.com ]
> >>[ <kTp9g.28964$fG3.11581 [at] dukeread09> ]
> >>
> >>:Starting PG Ryan Francis was killed while visiting home last night.
> >>:
> >>:http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2443805
> >>:
> >>:My condolences to the extended USC family over the loss.
> >>:
> >>:Regards,
> >>
> >>Agreed. That's just terrible.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ditto! And how ironic?
> > The guy leaves the driveby shooting center to go home
>
> it's a very sad story here in baton rouge. he was a big star at glen
> oaks high school, led the team to the state championship in 05.
Yeah but wait. The NCAA rules will accuse his teammates and USC of a
violation of the rules for going to Baton Rouge for RF's funeral/memorial
service. The NCAA will claim it is an unfair advantage not offered to other
students. The NCAA needs to wake up to reality and stop f***ing with young
people who have emotional reactions to real life events.
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| Re: Condolences to the USC Family [message #1022059 ] |
Sun, 14 May 2006 13:13 |
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Bob Whiteside wrote:
> "stephenj" <sjek [at] cox.net> wrote in message
> news:Fpx9g.13505$4H.11362 [at] dukeread03...
>
>>Glen Heiman wrote:
>>
>>>"Bryan S. Slick" <onyx_hokie [at] hi-lo.not> wrote in message
>>>news:MPG.1ecff61ae3905aa398ae1e [at] news-40.giganews.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>[ Sat, 13 May 2006 13:42:30 -0500 ]
>>>>[ Don Shennum | dshennum [at] yahoo.com ]
>>>>[ <kTp9g.28964$fG3.11581 [at] dukeread09> ]
>>>>
>>>>:Starting PG Ryan Francis was killed while visiting home last night.
>>>>:
>>>>:http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2443805
>>>>:
>>>>:My condolences to the extended USC family over the loss.
>>>>:
>>>>:Regards,
>>>>
>>>>Agreed. That's just terrible.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Ditto! And how ironic?
>>>The guy leaves the driveby shooting center to go home
>>
>>it's a very sad story here in baton rouge. he was a big star at glen
>>oaks high school, led the team to the state championship in 05.
>
>
> Yeah but wait. The NCAA rules will accuse his teammates and USC of a
> violation of the rules for going to Baton Rouge for RF's funeral/memorial
> service. The NCAA will claim it is an unfair advantage not offered to other
> students. The NCAA needs to wake up to reality and stop f***ing with young
> people who have emotional reactions to real life events.
Does prospective agents and marketers letting reggie's family live
rent-free in a 750k house count as young people having emotional
reactions to real life events?
btw, the intersection that Francis was killed at was in a notoriously
shitty (read, "ghetto") part of town. bad idea to be cruising through
there at 3am on friday night.
rip
--
"when i visited Aden before collectivization,
all the markets were full of fish product. After
collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."
- Aleksandr Vassiliev, Soviet KGB official
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| Re: Condolences to the USC Family [message #1022126 ] |
Sun, 14 May 2006 18:11 |
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Bob Whiteside wrote:
> stephenj wrote:
>> it's a very sad story here in baton rouge. he was a big star at glen
>> oaks high school, led the team to the state championship in 05.
>Yeah but wait. The NCAA rules will accuse his teammates and USC of a
>violation of the rules for going to Baton Rouge for RF's funeral/memorial
>service. The NCAA will claim it is an unfair advantage not offered to other
>students. The NCAA needs to wake up to reality and stop f***ing with young
>people who have emotional reactions to real life events.
That's my cue, isn't it?
NCAA Division I Manual, Bylaw 16.6.1.3:
"The institution may pay transportation, housing and meal
expenses...for the student-athlete’s teammates to be present in
situations in which a student-athlete suffers a lifethreatening
injury or illness, or, in the event of a student-athlete’s death, to
provide these expenses in conjunction with funeral arrangements."
-- Don
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| Re: Condolences to the USC Family [message #1022412 ] |
Mon, 15 May 2006 05:43 |
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Don Del Grande wrote:
> Bob Whiteside wrote:
>
>
>>stephenj wrote:
>
>
>>>it's a very sad story here in baton rouge. he was a big star at glen
>>>oaks high school, led the team to the state championship in 05.
>
>
>>Yeah but wait. The NCAA rules will accuse his teammates and USC of a
>>violation of the rules for going to Baton Rouge for RF's funeral/memorial
>>service. The NCAA will claim it is an unfair advantage not offered to other
>>students. The NCAA needs to wake up to reality and stop f***ing with young
>>people who have emotional reactions to real life events.
>
>
> That's my cue, isn't it?
>
> NCAA Division I Manual, Bylaw 16.6.1.3:
> "The institution may pay transportation, housing and meal
> expenses...for the student-athlete’s teammates to be present in
> situations in which a student-athlete suffers a lifethreatening
> injury or illness, or, in the event of a student-athlete’s death, to
> provide these expenses in conjunction with funeral arrangements."
so the NCAA has a heart after all.
--
Marx's mission was to identify fault, place blame, urge change,
and above all, to enlist disciplined belief. In the latter,
his success exceeded any man since Mohammed.
- JK Galbraith
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| Re: Condolences to the USC Family [message #1022575 ] |
Mon, 15 May 2006 18:43 |
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"stephenj" <sjek [at] cox.net> wrote in message
news:ANS9g.22357$4H.5293 [at] dukeread03...
> Don Del Grande wrote:
> > Bob Whiteside wrote:
> >
> >
> >>stephenj wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>it's a very sad story here in baton rouge. he was a big star at glen
> >>>oaks high school, led the team to the state championship in 05.
> >
> >
> >>Yeah but wait. The NCAA rules will accuse his teammates and USC of a
> >>violation of the rules for going to Baton Rouge for RF's
funeral/memorial
> >>service. The NCAA will claim it is an unfair advantage not offered to
other
> >>students. The NCAA needs to wake up to reality and stop f***ing with
young
> >>people who have emotional reactions to real life events.
> >
> >
> > That's my cue, isn't it?
> >
> > NCAA Division I Manual, Bylaw 16.6.1.3:
> > "The institution may pay transportation, housing and meal
> > expenses...for the student-athlete’s teammates to be present in
> > situations in which a student-athlete suffers a lifethreatening
> > injury or illness, or, in the event of a student-athlete’s death, to
> > provide these expenses in conjunction with funeral arrangements."
>
> so the NCAA has a heart after all.
It's not as cut and dried as the poster has implied. USC is on the semester
system. Final exams for the Spring term ended last week. The
student-athletes are on a break from school just like any other student.
Ryan Francis went home to Baton Rouge for a visit after his last final.
Some of his teammates are scattered all across the country. Some are in Los
Angeles remaining there for Summer school. The NCAA compliance concerns
revolve around questions about whether the teammates must return to L.A. at
their own expense to travel with the team, or can they travel from their
homes or summer vacation locations to Baton Rouge. And after the funeral do
they have to go back to where their trip originated from or can they go
somewhere else at school expense.
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| Re: Condolences to the USC Family [message #1022826 ] |
Tue, 16 May 2006 04:20 |
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Bryan S. Slick wrote:
> [ Sat, 13 May 2006 13:42:30 -0500 ]
> [ Don Shennum | dshennum [at] yahoo.com ]
> [ <kTp9g.28964$fG3.11581 [at] dukeread09> ]
>
> :Starting PG Ryan Francis was killed while visiting home last night.
> :
> :http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2443805
> :
> :My condolences to the extended USC family over the loss.
> :
> :Regards,
>
> Agreed. That's just terrible.
STFU troll. Your fake sympathy is terrible.
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| Re: Condolences to the USC Family [message #1022831 ] |
Tue, 16 May 2006 04:41 |
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Bob Whiteside wrote:
> "stephenj" <sjek [at] cox.net> wrote in message
> news:ANS9g.22357$4H.5293 [at] dukeread03...
> > Don Del Grande wrote:
> > > Bob Whiteside wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>stephenj wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>>it's a very sad story here in baton rouge. he was a big star at glen
> > >>>oaks high school, led the team to the state championship in 05.
> > >
> > >
> > >>Yeah but wait. The NCAA rules will accuse his teammates and USC of a
> > >>violation of the rules for going to Baton Rouge for RF's
> funeral/memorial
> > >>service. The NCAA will claim it is an unfair advantage not offered to
> other
> > >>students. The NCAA needs to wake up to reality and stop f***ing with
> young
> > >>people who have emotional reactions to real life events.
> > >
> > >
> > > That's my cue, isn't it?
> > >
> > > NCAA Division I Manual, Bylaw 16.6.1.3:
> > > "The institution may pay transportation, housing and meal
> > > expenses...for the student-athlete's teammates to be present in
> > > situations in which a student-athlete suffers a lifethreatening
> > > injury or illness, or, in the event of a student-athlete's death, to
> > > provide these expenses in conjunction with funeral arrangements."
> >
> > so the NCAA has a heart after all.
>
> It's not as cut and dried as the poster has implied. USC is on the semester
> system. Final exams for the Spring term ended last week. The
> student-athletes are on a break from school just like any other student.
> Ryan Francis went home to Baton Rouge for a visit after his last final.
> Some of his teammates are scattered all across the country. Some are in Los
> Angeles remaining there for Summer school. The NCAA compliance concerns
> revolve around questions about whether the teammates must return to L.A. at
> their own expense to travel with the team, or can they travel from their
> homes or summer vacation locations to Baton Rouge. And after the funeral do
> they have to go back to where their trip originated from or can they go
> somewhere else at school expense.
If student non-athletes disperse for break and one of them dies
somewhere else, the school doesn't pay for all the friends to go to the
funeral. That is assinine that athletes would get their travel paid.
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| Re: Condolences to the USC Family [message #1022866 ] |
Tue, 16 May 2006 06:12 |
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"Jason Bowen" <jasonmbowen [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1147747296.702901.207890 [at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Bob Whiteside wrote:
> > "stephenj" <sjek [at] cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:ANS9g.22357$4H.5293 [at] dukeread03...
> > > Don Del Grande wrote:
> > > > Bob Whiteside wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>stephenj wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>>it's a very sad story here in baton rouge. he was a big star at
glen
> > > >>>oaks high school, led the team to the state championship in 05.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Yeah but wait. The NCAA rules will accuse his teammates and USC of a
> > > >>violation of the rules for going to Baton Rouge for RF's
> > funeral/memorial
> > > >>service. The NCAA will claim it is an unfair advantage not offered
to
> > other
> > > >>students. The NCAA needs to wake up to reality and stop f***ing
with
> > young
> > > >>people who have emotional reactions to real life events.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's my cue, isn't it?
> > > >
> > > > NCAA Division I Manual, Bylaw 16.6.1.3:
> > > > "The institution may pay transportation, housing and meal
> > > > expenses...for the student-athlete's teammates to be present in
> > > > situations in which a student-athlete suffers a lifethreatening
> > > > injury or illness, or, in the event of a student-athlete's death, to
> > > > provide these expenses in conjunction with funeral arrangements."
> > >
> > > so the NCAA has a heart after all.
> >
> > It's not as cut and dried as the poster has implied. USC is on the
semester
> > system. Final exams for the Spring term ended last week. The
> > student-athletes are on a break from school just like any other
student.
> > Ryan Francis went home to Baton Rouge for a visit after his last final.
> > Some of his teammates are scattered all across the country. Some are in
Los
> > Angeles remaining there for Summer school. The NCAA compliance concerns
> > revolve around questions about whether the teammates must return to L.A.
at
> > their own expense to travel with the team, or can they travel from their
> > homes or summer vacation locations to Baton Rouge. And after the
funeral do
> > they have to go back to where their trip originated from or can they go
> > somewhere else at school expense.
>
> If student non-athletes disperse for break and one of them dies
> somewhere else, the school doesn't pay for all the friends to go to the
> funeral. That is assinine that athletes would get their travel paid.
I'm a Trojan. I think it is inconsistent USC has been given permission from
the NCAA to pay for the funeral, too. The NCAA rules punish
student-athletes and their families (Reggie Bush) for receiving special
treatment while they are alive and then turn around and condone special
treatment for student-athletes and their families (Ryan Francis) if they
die.
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| Re: Condolences to the USC Family [message #1023066 ] |
Tue, 16 May 2006 19:01 |
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"Bob Whiteside" <robertg [at] teleport.com> wrote
>> > > > NCAA Division I Manual, Bylaw 16.6.1.3:
>> > > > "The institution may pay transportation, housing and meal
>> > > > expenses...for the student-athlete's teammates to be present in
>> > > > situations in which a student-athlete suffers a lifethreatening
>> > > > injury or illness, or, in the event of a student-athlete's death, to
>> > > > provide these expenses in conjunction with funeral arrangements."
>> > >
>> > > so the NCAA has a heart after all.
>> >
>> > It's not as cut and dried as the poster has implied. USC is on the
> semester
>> > system. Final exams for the Spring term ended last week. The
>> > student-athletes are on a break from school just like any other
> student.
>> > Ryan Francis went home to Baton Rouge for a visit after his last final.
>> > Some of his teammates are scattered all across the country. Some are in
> Los
>> > Angeles remaining there for Summer school. The NCAA compliance concerns
>> > revolve around questions about whether the teammates must return to L.A.
> at
>> > their own expense to travel with the team, or can they travel from their
>> > homes or summer vacation locations to Baton Rouge. And after the
> funeral do
>> > they have to go back to where their trip originated from or can they go
>> > somewhere else at school expense.
The rules above don't seem to make such distinctions, just
that you be teammates. I guess if you've graduated that
would be an exception, but so long as you are a student in
good standing and on a team, it counts. It doesn't say
anything about traveling from where to where or what point
in the school year it is. It just says "provide these expenses
in conjunction with funeral arrangements."
>> If student non-athletes disperse for break and one of them dies
>> somewhere else, the school doesn't pay for all the friends to go to the
>> funeral. That is assinine that athletes would get their travel paid.
>
> I'm a Trojan. I think it is inconsistent USC has been given permission from
> the NCAA to pay for the funeral, too. The NCAA rules punish
> student-athletes and their families (Reggie Bush) for receiving special
> treatment while they are alive and then turn around and condone special
> treatment for student-athletes and their families (Ryan Francis) if they
> die.
The people receiving special treatment are the living athletes.
I have no more problem with the illness/death travel than I do
with traveling to the games. Some of these kids are on a
scholarship and could no more pay to get to a funeral for a
teammate than they could pay for room and board.
Yes, it is somewhat inconsistent with the other rules, but it
is well defined and serves a logical purpose. I have no problem.
--Tedward
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| Re: Condolences to the USC Family [message #1028293 ] |
Sat, 20 May 2006 19:57 |
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"stephenj" wrote in message...
> Don Del Grande wrote:
>>
>> That's my cue, isn't it?
>
> so the NCAA has a heart after all.
....and the scarecrow has a brain!
Oh Dorothy this is so wonderful isn't it?
;^)
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| Re: Condolences to the USC Family [message #1040010 ] |
Sat, 20 May 2006 19:57 |
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"stephenj" wrote in message...
> Don Del Grande wrote:
>>
>> That's my cue, isn't it?
>
> so the NCAA has a heart after all.
....and the scarecrow has a brain!
Oh Dorothy this is so wonderful isn't it?
;^)
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