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Mon, 08 May 2006 17:37 |
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....and abolish the swimming requirement for graduation.
In other news, parents of college-age children who cannot tread
water should be bitch slapped. The swimming requirement is not
really such a bad idea, though it belongs in grade school if
anywhere.
--Tedward
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| Re: OT: UNC to join 21st century... [message #1015671 ] |
Mon, 08 May 2006 19:22 |
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In article <e3nnd3$as2$1 [at] gargoyle.oit.duke.edu>,
"Edward M. Kennedy" <nospam [at] baconburger.com> wrote:
> ...and abolish the swimming requirement for graduation.
>
> In other news, parents of college-age children who cannot tread
> water should be bitch slapped. The swimming requirement is not
> really such a bad idea, though it belongs in grade school if
> anywhere.
>
> --Tedward
So how have they been testing for that?
Has anyone in recent memory been unable to graduate because they
couldn't swim?
When I got my bachelor's at Illinois, they required 2 full years of P.E.
to graduate. I'm pretty sure that's not the case anymore.
-- jsh
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| Re: OT: UNC to join 21st century... [message #1015672 ] |
Mon, 08 May 2006 19:25 |
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In article <hughes-6CCEC2.12220008052006 [at] news.ks.uiuc.edu>,
jsh <hughes [at] uiuc.edu> wrote:
> In article <e3nnd3$as2$1 [at] gargoyle.oit.duke.edu>,
> "Edward M. Kennedy" <nospam [at] baconburger.com> wrote:
>
> > ...and abolish the swimming requirement for graduation.
> >
> > In other news, parents of college-age children who cannot tread
> > water should be bitch slapped. The swimming requirement is not
> > really such a bad idea, though it belongs in grade school if
> > anywhere.
>
> So how have they been testing for that?
>
> Has anyone in recent memory been unable to graduate because they
> couldn't swim?
>
> When I got my bachelor's at Illinois, they required 2 full years of P.E.
> to graduate. I'm pretty sure that's not the case anymore.
More here:
http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2006/05 /08/time_to
_sink_or_graduate
and here:
http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2006/05 /08/swim_re
quirement_at_other_colleges/
- geoff
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| Re: OT: UNC to join 21st century... [message #1015673 ] |
Mon, 08 May 2006 19:41 |
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In article
<geoff-usenet2-B354DD.13253108052006 [at] comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
"Geoffrey F. Green" <geoff-usenet2 [at] stuebegreen.com> wrote:
> In article <hughes-6CCEC2.12220008052006 [at] news.ks.uiuc.edu>,
> jsh <hughes [at] uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
> > In article <e3nnd3$as2$1 [at] gargoyle.oit.duke.edu>,
> > "Edward M. Kennedy" <nospam [at] baconburger.com> wrote:
> >
> > > ...and abolish the swimming requirement for graduation.
> > >
> > > In other news, parents of college-age children who cannot tread
> > > water should be bitch slapped. The swimming requirement is not
> > > really such a bad idea, though it belongs in grade school if
> > > anywhere.
> >
> > So how have they been testing for that?
> >
> > Has anyone in recent memory been unable to graduate because they
> > couldn't swim?
> >
> > When I got my bachelor's at Illinois, they required 2 full years of P.E.
> > to graduate. I'm pretty sure that's not the case anymore.
>
> More here:
> http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2006/05 /08/time_to
> _sink_or_graduate
>
> and here:
> http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2006/05 /08/swim_re
> quirement_at_other_colleges/
>
> - geoff
Thanks, Geoff.
I'd assumed UNC was one of only a couple universities with this
requirement. Obviously that's not the case.
-- jsh
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| Re: OT: UNC to join 21st century... [message #1015674 ] |
Mon, 08 May 2006 20:43 |
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jsh <hughes [at] uiuc.edu> wrote:
> When I got my bachelor's at Illinois, they required 2 full years of P.E.
> to graduate. I'm pretty sure that's not the case anymore.
My first school required PE of some kind as well, and I think still
does. It was pretty cool though, most of the "classes" I took were
basically club or intramural teams (volleyball, basketball, ultimate
frisbee, soccer) which each counted as a PE credit. They also did
things like hiking, rockclimbing and fencing. For the competitive
sports you could either take "the class" if you didn't really play, or
play for "the team" which didn't have tryouts but was like a club league
or a good pickup team. This was a tiny school with no NCAA
affiliation. Our club teams sometimes played exhibitions with Div. 2 or
3 schools and generally got creamed but it was a total blast.
They didn't really have a traditional physed class, IIRC.
There were always people who had trouble getting their RAP credits,
which always amazed me, as all you had to do was show up. I think some
people were really scarred badly by evil grammar and high school gym
classes. I wasn't particularly fond of mine either, but I always liked
sports anyway. But this was a total hippie school, so you didn't get
beat up nor did you have to take crap if you were lousy, new or
uncoordinated. You could even take classes like "new games" where
nobody loses, but they must have been too freaked to even try.
Michael
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| Re: OT: UNC to join 21st century... [message #1015678 ] |
Tue, 09 May 2006 02:13 |
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Edward M. Kennedy wrote:
> ...and abolish the swimming requirement for graduation.
>
> In other news, parents of college-age children who cannot tread
> water should be bitch slapped. The swimming requirement is not
> really such a bad idea, though it belongs in grade school if
> anywhere.
>
> --Tedward
>
>
It belongs in infancy. The reason physically capable people
cannot swim is fear of the water. Infants are easily taught
to swim. The babies in my family are taught to swim before
they are able to walk, and they love the water.
-Johnny
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| Re: OT: UNC to join 21st century... [message #1015680 ] |
Tue, 09 May 2006 02:43 |
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In article <x8R7g.175980$bm6.151842 [at] fed1read04>,
Johnny <apterix [at] cox.net> wrote:
> Edward M. Kennedy wrote:
> > ...and abolish the swimming requirement for graduation.
> >
> > In other news, parents of college-age children who cannot tread
> > water should be bitch slapped. The swimming requirement is not
> > really such a bad idea, though it belongs in grade school if
> > anywhere.
> >
> > --Tedward
> >
> >
>
> It belongs in infancy. The reason physically capable people
> cannot swim is fear of the water. Infants are easily taught
> to swim. The babies in my family are taught to swim before
> they are able to walk, and they love the water.
I forget the exact mechanism, but I believe that very young babies
will not breathe in water if you put them underwater.
(HOWEVER, I am not a medical doctor, but instead a lawyer, so I feel
compelled to place a disclaimer here that I am not a medical
professional and you should ask your own doctor before following any
of the advice in this post because I could be very wrong and you could
really hurt a kid by listening to me blah blah blah.)
- geoff
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| Re: OT: UNC to join 21st century... [message #1015682 ] |
Tue, 09 May 2006 03:08 |
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Geoffrey F. Green wrote:
> In article <x8R7g.175980$bm6.151842 [at] fed1read04>,
> Johnny <apterix [at] cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Edward M. Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>>...and abolish the swimming requirement for graduation.
>>>
>>>In other news, parents of college-age children who cannot tread
>>>water should be bitch slapped. The swimming requirement is not
>>>really such a bad idea, though it belongs in grade school if
>>>anywhere.
>>>
>>>--Tedward
>>>
>>>
>>
>>It belongs in infancy. The reason physically capable people
>>cannot swim is fear of the water. Infants are easily taught
>>to swim. The babies in my family are taught to swim before
>>they are able to walk, and they love the water.
>
>
> I forget the exact mechanism, but I believe that very young babies
> will not breathe in water if you put them underwater.
>
> (HOWEVER, I am not a medical doctor, but instead a lawyer, so I feel
> compelled to place a disclaimer here that I am not a medical
> professional and you should ask your own doctor before following any
> of the advice in this post because I could be very wrong and you could
> really hurt a kid by listening to me blah blah blah.)
Yes, that is true. It is also the case that newborns have an innate
reflex to make swimming motions (and I believe actually propel
themselves through the water) once they hit water. I don't recall the
exact duration, but it doesn't last very long in to one's life.
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| Re: OT: UNC to join 21st century... [message #1015683 ] |
Tue, 09 May 2006 03:24 |
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On Mon, 08 May, Edward M. Kennedy wrote:
> ...and abolish the swimming requirement for graduation.
Great. So we're helping America's youth by removing soda from schools, but
we can't be bothered to make sure they can fricking save themselves if they
fall in the damned water. You know, the Earth has quite a bit of water on
the surface that's too deep to stand up in. *sigh*
--Donnie
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| Re: OT: UNC to join 21st century... [message #1015684 ] |
Tue, 09 May 2006 17:07 |
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"Donnie Barnes" <djbSPAMSUCKS [at] donniebarnes.com> wrote
>> ...and abolish the swimming requirement for graduation.
>
> Great. So we're helping America's youth by removing soda from schools, but
> we can't be bothered to make sure they can fricking save themselves if they
> fall in the damned water. You know, the Earth has quite a bit of water on
> the surface that's too deep to stand up in. *sigh*
Assuming, of course, you don't drown when you are 12. Swimming
should be taught long before college. My parents even made all
four of us pass the Red Cross lifesaving course (unfortunately
I was young and sober at the time). There's one karate-like move
that is really cool: you dive well below the victim from the
front, come up and grab his thighs to spin him around, and then
grab him in a headlock from behind as you begin the sidestroke.
I believe the dog paddle is pretty instinctive for most species;
humans are just schmart enough to be stupid by thinking about it
long enough to drown. My son taught himself to swim long before
he had formal lessons. He would dive to the bottom of the pool
and push off the bottom to get from point A to point B. That
wouldn't help in an ocean, but he could tread water well enough.
--Tedward
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| Re: OT: UNC to join 21st century... [message #1015688 ] |
Wed, 10 May 2006 16:45 |
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Edward M. Kennedy wrote:
> ...and abolish the swimming requirement for graduation.
>
> In other news, parents of college-age children who cannot tread
> water should be bitch slapped. The swimming requirement is not
> really such a bad idea, though it belongs in grade school if
> anywhere.
>
> --Tedward
Back in '69, UNC gave your a swimming test shortly after you arrived as
freshmen.
I failed the swimming test. Had to take swimming as my PE elective.
But when I went to the swimming class, the instructor wondered why some
of us were in the class since we could already swim.
I knew how to swim, took classes when I was a little kid, but I was a
bit worn down from just having moved to a dorm at UNC and all that.
Also, I was a smoker back then. It was a timed test, you had to swim
a certain distance within a time limit. At least a lap, I don't
remember the exact distance.
BTW, What does sinking like a rock have to do with the dawn of the 21th
century?
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| Re: OT: UNC to join 21st century... [message #1015689 ] |
Wed, 10 May 2006 16:47 |
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Edward M. Kennedy wrote:
> ...and abolish the swimming requirement for graduation.
>
> In other news, parents of college-age children who cannot tread
> water should be bitch slapped. The swimming requirement is not
> really such a bad idea, though it belongs in grade school if
> anywhere.
>
> --Tedward
Back in '69, UNC gave you a swimming test shortly after you arrived as
freshmen.
I failed the swimming test. Had to take swimming as my PE elective.
But when I went to the swimming class, the instructor wondered why some
of us were in the class since we could already swim.
I knew how to swim, took classes when I was a little kid, but I was a
bit worn down from just having moved to a dorm at UNC and all that.
Also, I was a smoker back then. It was a timed test, you had to swim
a certain distance within a time limit. At least a lap, I don't
remember the exact distance.
BTW, What does sinking like a rock have to do with the dawn of the 21th
century?
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| Re: OT: UNC to join 21st century... [message #1015690 ] |
Wed, 10 May 2006 18:42 |
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"Michael Sullivan" <use-reply-to [at] spambegone.null> wrote in message
news:1hf0vur.165afha0dlxcN%use-reply-to [at] spambegone.null...
> jsh <hughes [at] uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
>> When I got my bachelor's at Illinois, they required 2 full years of P.E.
>> to graduate. I'm pretty sure that's not the case anymore.
>
> My first school required PE of some kind as well, and I think still
> does. It was pretty cool though, most of the "classes" I took were
> basically club or intramural teams (volleyball, basketball, ultimate
> frisbee, soccer) which each counted as a PE credit. They also did
> things like hiking, rockclimbing and fencing. For the competitive
> sports you could either take "the class" if you didn't really play, or
> play for "the team" which didn't have tryouts but was like a club league
> or a good pickup team. This was a tiny school with no NCAA
> affiliation. Our club teams sometimes played exhibitions with Div. 2 or
> 3 schools and generally got creamed but it was a total blast.
>
> They didn't really have a traditional physed class, IIRC.
>
> There were always people who had trouble getting their RAP credits,
> which always amazed me, as all you had to do was show up. I think some
> people were really scarred badly by evil grammar and high school gym
> classes. I wasn't particularly fond of mine either, but I always liked
> sports anyway. But this was a total hippie school, so you didn't get
> beat up nor did you have to take crap if you were lousy, new or
> uncoordinated. You could even take classes like "new games" where
> nobody loses, but they must have been too freaked to even try.
>
>
> Michael
When I was in college at what was then Case Institute of
Technology, three years of PE were required. The first
year was pretty much the traditional class (or participation
in a team sport), but the second and third were more or
less self-paced. We were issued "time cards" and had to
punch in and out when we went to the gym. We were
required to put in three half-hour sessions per week. A
lot of us, me included, took an awful lot of long showers.
>
> --
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> A: Top-posting.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
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