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Sports » rec.sport.boxing » Cory Spinks vs. Roman Karmazin
| Cory Spinks vs. Roman Karmazin [message #1014942] |
Tue, 16 May 2006 13:31 |
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The fight's been set for July 8 for Karmazin's IBF Jr. Middleweight title.
They've both been out of the ring for a long time.
I didn't see Karmazin's victory over Ouma but heard that the latter just had
an off night. Have also heard Karmazin is very tough.
Any predictions for the July 8th fight?
Raj
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| Re: Cory Spinks vs. Roman Karmazin [message #1014948 ] |
Tue, 16 May 2006 15:50 |
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"Raj Sohi" <raj.sohi [at] sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:PKiag.7770$aa4.149660 [at] news20.bellglobal.com...
> The fight's been set for July 8 for Karmazin's IBF Jr. Middleweight title.
> They've both been out of the ring for a long time.
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> I didn't see Karmazin's victory over Ouma but heard that the latter just
> had an off night. Have also heard Karmazin is very tough.
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> Any predictions for the July 8th fight?
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> Raj
Although Spinks is a tall fighter, I dont think he has long arms. Karmazin
I think does have long arms. They both have good jabs, but Karmazin's reach
may be a factor if I am correct. Still, Spinks is slick enough to pull off
a close upset. Financially, I think Spinks is worth more to King than
Karmazin is, because Spinks is surefire Mayweather bait.
Spinks by UD or MD
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| Re: Cory Spinks vs. Roman Karmazin [message #1014955 ] |
Tue, 16 May 2006 17:38 |
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On Tue, 16 May 2006 07:31:49 -0400, "Raj Sohi" <raj.sohi [at] sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>The fight's been set for July 8 for Karmazin's IBF Jr. Middleweight title.
>They've both been out of the ring for a long time.
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>I didn't see Karmazin's victory over Ouma but heard that the latter just had
>an off night. Have also heard Karmazin is very tough.
>
>Any predictions for the July 8th fight?
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>Raj
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This is my first time posting ever here but I saw Karmazin's victory
over Ouma and Ouma was dominated. If Ouma wasn't as tough as he was
he would have been knocked out in 3 rounds.
EZoto
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| Re: Cory Spinks vs. Roman Karmazin [message #1051856 ] |
Sat, 20 May 2006 13:15 |
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In article <gMkag.3$JW5.0 [at] southeast.rr.com>, dwilliams68 [at] nc.rr.com
says...
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> "Raj Sohi" <raj.sohi [at] sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:PKiag.7770$aa4.149660 [at] news20.bellglobal.com...
> > The fight's been set for July 8 for Karmazin's IBF Jr. Middleweight title.
> > They've both been out of the ring for a long time.
> >
> > I didn't see Karmazin's victory over Ouma but heard that the latter just
> > had an off night. Have also heard Karmazin is very tough.
> >
> > Any predictions for the July 8th fight?
> >
> > Raj
>
> Although Spinks is a tall fighter, I dont think he has long arms. Karmazin
> I think does have long arms. They both have good jabs, but Karmazin's reach
> may be a factor if I am correct. Still, Spinks is slick enough to pull off
> a close upset. Financially, I think Spinks is worth more to King than
> Karmazin is, because Spinks is surefire Mayweather bait.
>
> Spinks by UD or MD
Spinks is 5'9", and Karmazin is 5'11". boxrec.com doesn't list a reach
for Karamzin, so I can't compare it there. Spinks doesn't fight
particularly "tall". He will fight with a wide stance and crouch and
duck. And when I say "fight tall" I mean being upright and using a high
defense and a jab to create distance. Lennox Lewis at his best fought
tall, Vernon forrest is another.
Note that Spinks is a southpaw, so it might not be who has the better
reach on the jab, but who sticks to using it, and who has the better
footwork. All too often, when you see a fighter go against someone with
opposite stance, they look for the straight power hand, which is a good
weapon, but you can't forget to jab. Also, even if both fighters
remember to jab, then the fighter that has the better footwork, who
circles away from his opponent's power hand, and keep their foot on the
outside, they tend to have a moving and better angle on the jab. less
likely to be blocked, coming in from that slight angle.
Why is Spinks surefire Mayweather bait? Did Nellie have some beef with
the Geto Boys? Or just because they are sons and nephews of former
fighters?
While I agree with Ezoto elsewhere in this thread that Ouma was clearly
beat, I also agree with the prevailing wisdom that Raj cited in the
initial post that says that Ouma was not in top form that night. Had
Ouma been in top form, it's certainly possible that Karmazin would still
have won. Karmazin's style is bad for ouma. As would Spinks's. But it
sure would have been a closer fight.
And before anyone jumps on the Karmazin bandwagon on the basis of the
ouma fight, they should go back and look at the Keith Holmes fight. I
like Keith, I like the way he fights. I still hope that he gets to
fight Vernon forrest at 154 in a tactical nightmare for slugfest fans. I
was really hoping that Keith (and Vernon, and Tokembu Olajidae) would
spice up 154, but that's not happening, on any of those fronts. Keith
seems to have lost a step since his pre-bernard days. But still,
Karmazin squeaked by him. in a fight that suggested to me that Karmazin
is much better against a come forward guy like Ouma, than a tactical guy
like Spinks. The wild card will be the effect of Spiniks' punch. Or
non-effect. he was a light hitter at 147. Karmazin might do well to
break from style a bit and bully on the inside and use his strength.
Spinks is faster, and even though both like to box, perhaps the tactical
advantage is in swarming.
Shamus
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| Re: Cory Spinks vs. Roman Karmazin [message #1051869 ] |
Sat, 20 May 2006 18:34 |
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On Sat, 20 May 2006 04:15:49 -0700, s. young <machismo [at] drizzle.com>
wrote:
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>Why is Spinks surefire Mayweather bait? Did Nellie have some beef with
>the Geto Boys? Or just because they are sons and nephews of former
>fighters?
The above, plus that fight just screams "easy HBO payday" for
Mayweather. A decent name and a style he could box circles around,
without much fear of return fire.
>And before anyone jumps on the Karmazin bandwagon on the basis of the
>ouma fight, they should go back and look at the Keith Holmes fight. I
>like Keith, I like the way he fights. I still hope that he gets to
>fight Vernon forrest at 154 in a tactical nightmare for slugfest fans. I
>was really hoping that Keith (and Vernon, and Tokembu Olajidae) would
>spice up 154, but that's not happening, on any of those fronts. Keith
>seems to have lost a step since his pre-bernard days. But still,
>Karmazin squeaked by him. in a fight that suggested to me that Karmazin
>is much better against a come forward guy like Ouma, than a tactical guy
>like Spinks. The wild card will be the effect of Spiniks' punch. Or
>non-effect. he was a light hitter at 147. Karmazin might do well to
>break from style a bit and bully on the inside and use his strength.
>Spinks is faster, and even though both like to box, perhaps the tactical
>advantage is in swarming.
>
>Shamus
Damn man, youre almost (almost) getting me to where I actually give a
f*ck about this fight. I can't stand Spinks. I'm mad at Roman for
derailing the Ouma train. But as far as pure styles go, its got
tactical interest. Nice analysis.
By the way, I'm thinking about putting Tokunbo Olajide on a milk
carton. Anyone else want to chip in?
Peace.
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| Re: Cory Spinks vs. Roman Karmazin [message #1051901 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 03:29 |
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> By the way, I'm thinking about putting Tokunbo Olajide on a milk
> carton. Anyone else want to chip in?
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You know, I think I heard somewhere that Olajide retired. I am not sure
though.
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| Re: Cory Spinks vs. Roman Karmazin [message #1051902 ] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 03:27 |
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"southpaw" <shaka [at] zulu.net> wrote in message
news:etgu62luvbivftuha87enj9l1hobllrk37 [at] 4ax.com...
> On Sat, 20 May 2006 04:15:49 -0700, s. young <machismo [at] drizzle.com>
> wrote:
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>>Why is Spinks surefire Mayweather bait? Did Nellie have some beef with
>>the Geto Boys? Or just because they are sons and nephews of former
>>fighters?
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> The above, plus that fight just screams "easy HBO payday" for
> Mayweather. A decent name and a style he could box circles around,
> without much fear of return fire.
Exactly, say Mayweather gets DLH and wins, or say DLH retires? If there was
ever a 154lb titlest that Mayweather would want, it would be Spinks. What
if it was in St. Louis or Grand Rapids? Dont forget, that fight was close
to being made at 147 when Spinks was champ.
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| Re: Cory Spinks vs. Roman Karmazin [message #1085982 ] |
Sun, 04 June 2006 07:51 |
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In article <wnPbg.7120$JW5.6499 [at] southeast.rr.com>, dwilliams68 [at] nc.rr.com
says...
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> > By the way, I'm thinking about putting Tokunbo Olajide on a milk
> > carton. Anyone else want to chip in?
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> You know, I think I heard somewhere that Olajide retired. I am not sure
> though.
>
Olajidae last fought in fall 2004, a decision loss to Ian Gardner, when
he was 27.
In fall 2005, Maxboxing put up an article saying that Olajidae had told
his trainer Tommy Gallagher that he was done, and was moving on.
Olajidae was not interviewed for the article, only Gallagher. Gallagher
thought it was a 50-50 shot that Olajidae would return, but so far, no
news. He's younger than Tito Trinidad, so there's always hope.
However, he was still on the cusp of ripening into a real contender when
he got caught with that horrible punch and broke his leg. There was a
layoff there, then a couple of fights, and now a year and a half off.
How far back is that going to set you? It's not like an established
fighter like Tito, who is what he is. Fighters coming up to a level,
especially a guy who relies on timing like Olajidae, are on the steep
part of the learning curve, and can't just pick up where they were
before. They'll have to take a step back, and take longer to where they
were going to peak, or they just may never get to quite the same level.
Ah well, he was a middle class kid who talked more about Jazz than
fighting during his interviews. I think I'd rather be a bad jazzman in
NYC than a decent boxer. It's a shame, though, he had that awkward
style, and had a bit more respect for basic boxing skills than other
guys in that judah/Jones mold, and he had big power in both hands. Lots
of fun to watch. In 2002, I was sure that we were looking at a great
Ouma-Olajidae match in 2004-2005. When Ouma was shot, I figured that
he'd not ripen as fast as Olajidae, but Ouma performed quite well when
he got back, and Olajidae faded. Shows what I know.
Shamus
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