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| Gasnier is out [message #1005880] |
Wed, 10 May 2006 10:55 |
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ARU has declined its offer.
http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/05/10/114694 0592440.html
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| Re: Gasnier is out [message #1005940 ] |
Wed, 10 May 2006 23:47 |
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x-no-archive:yes
Yeah, but now Queensland Reds coach Eddie "Not winning 7 out of 9
internationals isn't losing" Jones is getting all cosy with Willie
Tonga.
The exodus begins. Next thing you know, Hopoate will be playing for the
Hurricanes. He suits their game style.
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| Re: Gasnier is out [message #1005948 ] |
Thu, 11 May 2006 00:56 |
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Uncle Bully wrote:
> ARU has declined its offer.
>
> http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/05/10/114694 0592440.html
>
Pretty much as I predicted, Gasnier is yet another League player using
Rugby as a way of negotiating more money out of League.
We've now had Anasta, Johns, Gasnier, and a couple of other minor names
go down the same path, one after the other. You wouldn't want to be a
League player who REALLY did want to make the switch because, from now
on, I doubt the ARU would give you time of day.
--
Mike
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| Re: Gasnier is out [message #1005953 ] |
Thu, 11 May 2006 01:11 |
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"Mike Thompson" <I [at] dontthinkso> wrote in message
news:44626fb9$0$21942$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
> Uncle Bully wrote:
>> ARU has declined its offer.
>>
>> http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/05/10/114694 0592440.html
>
> Pretty much as I predicted, Gasnier is yet another League player using
> Rugby as a way of negotiating more money out of League.
>
> We've now had Anasta, Johns, Gasnier, and a couple of other minor names
> go down the same path, one after the other. You wouldn't want to be a
> League player who REALLY did want to make the switch because, from now
> on, I doubt the ARU would give you time of day.
>
> --
> Mike
Wasn't the original approach to switch codes made by the ARU?
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| Re: Gasnier is out [message #1005954 ] |
Thu, 11 May 2006 01:34 |
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dechucka wrote:
> "Mike Thompson" <I [at] dontthinkso> wrote in message
> news:44626fb9$0$21942$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
>
>>Uncle Bully wrote:
>>
>>>ARU has declined its offer.
>>>
>>> http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/05/10/114694 0592440.html
>>
>>Pretty much as I predicted, Gasnier is yet another League player using
>>Rugby as a way of negotiating more money out of League.
>>
>>We've now had Anasta, Johns, Gasnier, and a couple of other minor names
>>go down the same path, one after the other. You wouldn't want to be a
>>League player who REALLY did want to make the switch because, from now
>>on, I doubt the ARU would give you time of day.
>>
>>--
>>Mike
>
>
> Wasn't the original approach to switch codes made by the ARU?
>
no.
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| Re: Gasnier is out [message #1005955 ] |
Thu, 11 May 2006 01:47 |
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"Mike Thompson" <I [at] dontthinkso> wrote in message
news:44627875$0$24422$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
> dechucka wrote:
>> "Mike Thompson" <I [at] dontthinkso> wrote in message
>> news:44626fb9$0$21942$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
>>
>>>Uncle Bully wrote:
>>>
>>>>ARU has declined its offer.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/05/10/114694 0592440.html
>>>
>>>Pretty much as I predicted, Gasnier is yet another League player using
>>>Rugby as a way of negotiating more money out of League.
>>>
>>>We've now had Anasta, Johns, Gasnier, and a couple of other minor names
>>>go down the same path, one after the other. You wouldn't want to be a
>>>League player who REALLY did want to make the switch because, from now
>>>on, I doubt the ARU would give you time of day.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Mike
>>
>>
>> Wasn't the original approach to switch codes made by the ARU?
>
> no.
Than I totally agree with you
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| Re: Gasnier is out [message #1005956 ] |
Thu, 11 May 2006 01:49 |
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"Mike Thompson" <I [at] dontthinkso> wrote in message
news:44626fb9$0$21942$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
> Uncle Bully wrote:
>> ARU has declined its offer.
>>
>> http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/05/10/114694 0592440.html
>
> Pretty much as I predicted, Gasnier is yet another League player using
> Rugby as a way of negotiating more money out of League.
>
> We've now had Anasta, Johns, Gasnier, and a couple of other minor names
> go down the same path, one after the other. You wouldn't want to be a
> League player who REALLY did want to make the switch because, from now
> on, I doubt the ARU would give you time of day.
>
> --
> Mike
>
ARU will continue to make offers to League players. They have long memories
and if they can cause League some indigestion they will continue to do so
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| Re: Gasnier is out [message #1005957 ] |
Thu, 11 May 2006 02:07 |
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Will_S wrote:
> "Mike Thompson" <I [at] dontthinkso> wrote in message
> news:44626fb9$0$21942$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
>
>>Uncle Bully wrote:
>>
>>>ARU has declined its offer.
>>>
>>> http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/05/10/114694 0592440.html
>>
>>Pretty much as I predicted, Gasnier is yet another League player using
>>Rugby as a way of negotiating more money out of League.
>>
>>We've now had Anasta, Johns, Gasnier, and a couple of other minor names
>>go down the same path, one after the other. You wouldn't want to be a
>>League player who REALLY did want to make the switch because, from now
>>on, I doubt the ARU would give you time of day.
>>
>>--
>>Mike
>>
>
>
> ARU will continue to make offers to League players. They have long memories
> and if they can cause League some indigestion they will continue to do so
>
You think the ARU should waste man weeks of effort on activities that
deliver absolutely no benefit to Rugby? Activities that ultimately
makes Rugby the try hard bitch of players agents negotiating
deals with League?
Feel free to dwel on the past if it amuses you, but I'd be very bloody
disappointed (and surprised) if the ARU bothered with that sort of
thinking or time wasting.
--
Mike
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| Re: Gasnier is out [message #1005958 ] |
Thu, 11 May 2006 02:28 |
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"Mike Thompson" <I [at] dontthinkso> wrote in message
news:44628037$0$10674$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
> Will_S wrote:
>> "Mike Thompson" <I [at] dontthinkso> wrote in message
>> news:44626fb9$0$21942$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
>>
>>>Uncle Bully wrote:
>>>
>>>>ARU has declined its offer.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/05/10/114694 0592440.html
>>>
>>>Pretty much as I predicted, Gasnier is yet another League player using
>>>Rugby as a way of negotiating more money out of League.
>>>
>>>We've now had Anasta, Johns, Gasnier, and a couple of other minor names
>>>go down the same path, one after the other. You wouldn't want to be a
>>>League player who REALLY did want to make the switch because, from now
>>>on, I doubt the ARU would give you time of day.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Mike
>>>
>>
>>
>> ARU will continue to make offers to League players. They have long
>> memories and if they can cause League some indigestion they will continue
>> to do so
>
> You think the ARU should waste man weeks of effort on activities that
> deliver absolutely no benefit to Rugby? Activities that ultimately
> makes Rugby the try hard bitch of players agents negotiating
> deals with League?
Waste ? As if they really put a lot of effort and time into it . The story
got Rugby in the papers and on the news so it wasnt a waste.
>
> Feel free to dwel on the past if it amuses you, but I'd be very bloody
> disappointed (and surprised) if the ARU bothered with that sort of
> thinking or time wasting.
ROFLMAO
Mate the ARU are a bunch of bitches and the State Unions are not much
better.
If the ARU has a chance to snare a quality League player and they pass up
the chance then they are fools
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| Re: Gasnier is out [message #1005960 ] |
Thu, 11 May 2006 03:07 |
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Will_S wrote:
> "Mike Thompson" <I [at] dontthinkso> wrote in message
> news:44628037$0$10674$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
>
>>Will_S wrote:
>>
>>>"Mike Thompson" <I [at] dontthinkso> wrote in message
>>>news:44626fb9$0$21942$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Uncle Bully wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>ARU has declined its offer.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/05/10/114694 0592440.html
>>>>
>>>>Pretty much as I predicted, Gasnier is yet another League player using
>>>>Rugby as a way of negotiating more money out of League.
>>>>
>>>>We've now had Anasta, Johns, Gasnier, and a couple of other minor names
>>>>go down the same path, one after the other. You wouldn't want to be a
>>>>League player who REALLY did want to make the switch because, from now
>>>>on, I doubt the ARU would give you time of day.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Mike
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>ARU will continue to make offers to League players. They have long
>>>memories and if they can cause League some indigestion they will continue
>>>to do so
>>
>>You think the ARU should waste man weeks of effort on activities that
>>deliver absolutely no benefit to Rugby? Activities that ultimately
>>makes Rugby the try hard bitch of players agents negotiating
>>deals with League?
>
>
> Waste ? As if they really put a lot of effort and time into it . The story
> got Rugby in the papers and on the news so it wasnt a waste.
Are you completely daft Will? Of course they put a bloody lot of time
and effort into it. McKensie met with him twice. Flowers met with
him multiple times. Connelly met with him at least once. After every one
of those meetings they would have later written up meeting notes and
submitted them for others to read. Letters would have been written
backwards and forwards, phone calls all over the place, strategy
would have been discussed and agreed on, both with regard to Gasnier
himself and the media in general. And in the end the ARU had
to spend time putting together a specifically tailored deal. And,
of course, the entire time the ARU PR guy would have spent days
on the phone answering questions. We're talking multiple man
weeks of effort.
The ARU seem to have handled this professionally from the beginning, and
that takes a LOT of work. The difficulty for the ARU has always been
gaging Gasniers true level of interest. They've always had their
doubts but they were placed in a difficult position by a player's
agent working all the angles. Good luck to the players agent, he's
doing his job and good luck to Gasnier, he's probably extracted another
$500,000 from League over the next few years. The only one to suffer
is the ARU.
They won't like it, and neither would I expect them too. What they
have done by withdrawing their offer is make it slightly harder for
Gasnier to extract the last mile in his St George negotiations. A
hollow victory, but something.
And, to your other point, exactly what's the benefit of having stories
about Gasnier rejecting Union and the ARU being taken for a ride? How
does any of that put Union in a good light?
>
>
>>Feel free to dwel on the past if it amuses you, but I'd be very bloody
>>disappointed (and surprised) if the ARU bothered with that sort of
>>thinking or time wasting.
>
>
>
> ROFLMAO
>
> Mate the ARU are a bunch of bitches and the State Unions are not much
> better.
>
> If the ARU has a chance to snare a quality League player and they pass up
> the chance then they are fools
>
If you were offered the Sydney Harbour bridge at a massive discount, would
you be a fool to pass up the chance?
--
Mike
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| Re: Gasnier is out [message #1005963 ] |
Thu, 11 May 2006 03:45 |
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"Mike Thompson" <I [at] dontthinkso> wrote in message
news:44628e3b$0$25525$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
> Will_S wrote:
>> "Mike Thompson" <I [at] dontthinkso> wrote in message
>> news:44628037$0$10674$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
>>
>>>Will_S wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Mike Thompson" <I [at] dontthinkso> wrote in message
>>>>news:44626fb9$0$21942$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Uncle Bully wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>ARU has declined its offer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/05/10/114694 0592440.html
>>>>>
>>>>>Pretty much as I predicted, Gasnier is yet another League player using
>>>>>Rugby as a way of negotiating more money out of League.
>>>>>
>>>>>We've now had Anasta, Johns, Gasnier, and a couple of other minor names
>>>>>go down the same path, one after the other. You wouldn't want to be a
>>>>>League player who REALLY did want to make the switch because, from now
>>>>>on, I doubt the ARU would give you time of day.
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Mike
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>ARU will continue to make offers to League players. They have long
>>>>memories and if they can cause League some indigestion they will
>>>>continue to do so
>>>
>>>You think the ARU should waste man weeks of effort on activities that
>>>deliver absolutely no benefit to Rugby? Activities that ultimately
>>>makes Rugby the try hard bitch of players agents negotiating
>>>deals with League?
>>
>>
>> Waste ? As if they really put a lot of effort and time into it . The
>> story got Rugby in the papers and on the news so it wasnt a waste.
>
> Are you completely daft Will?
Now in my last post I was going to say something along the line of the ARU
been a bigger fool then you but I resisted and thought I would leave the
name calling calling and insults out
>Of course they put a bloody lot of time
> and effort into it. McKensie met with him twice. Flowers met with
> him multiple times. Connelly met with him at least once. After every one
> of those meetings they would have later written up meeting notes and
> submitted them for others to read. Letters would have been written
> backwards and forwards, phone calls all over the place, strategy
> would have been discussed and agreed on, both with regard to Gasnier
> himself and the media in general. And in the end the ARU had
> to spend time putting together a specifically tailored deal. And,
> of course, the entire time the ARU PR guy would have spent days
> on the phone answering questions. We're talking multiple man
> weeks of effort.
Oh crap, the amount of time was really sweet FA and the time spent wouldnt
have overbooked their poor overworked calendars ( btw: thats sarcasmn )
>
> The ARU seem to have handled this professionally from the beginning, and
> that takes a LOT of work. The difficulty for the ARU has always been
> gaging Gasniers true level of interest. They've always had their
> doubts but they were placed in a difficult position by a player's
> agent working all the angles. Good luck to the players agent, he's
> doing his job and good luck to Gasnier, he's probably extracted another
> $500,000 from League over the next few years. The only one to suffer
> is the ARU.
You dont know . Gasnier could have been very interested in Union but in the
end decided he was better off in the game he knew
>
> They won't like it, and neither would I expect them too. What they
> have done by withdrawing their offer is make it slightly harder for
> Gasnier to extract the last mile in his St George negotiations. A
> hollow victory, but something.
Something ? Actually nothing
>
> And, to your other point, exactly what's the benefit of having stories
> about Gasnier rejecting Union and the ARU being taken for a ride? How
> does any of that put Union in a good light?
The old saying about no such thing as poor publicity. Also quite a few
League players might have had their interest tweaked
>
>
>>
>>
>>>Feel free to dwel on the past if it amuses you, but I'd be very bloody
>>>disappointed (and surprised) if the ARU bothered with that sort of
>>>thinking or time wasting.
>>
>>
>>
>> ROFLMAO
>>
>> Mate the ARU are a bunch of bitches and the State Unions are not much
>> better.
>>
>> If the ARU has a chance to snare a quality League player and they pass up
>> the chance then they are fools
>
> If you were offered the Sydney Harbour bridge at a massive discount, would
> you be a fool to pass up the chance?
>
> --
> Mike
So you are selling the Bridge ?
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| Re: Gasnier is out [message #1005968 ] |
Thu, 11 May 2006 04:58 |
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Will_S wrote:
> "Mike Thompson" <I [at] dontthinkso> wrote in message
> news:44628e3b$0$25525$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
>
>>Will_S wrote:
>>
>>>"Mike Thompson" <I [at] dontthinkso> wrote in message
>>>news:44628037$0$10674$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Will_S wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Mike Thompson" <I [at] dontthinkso> wrote in message
>>>>>news:44626fb9$0$21942$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Uncle Bully wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>ARU has declined its offer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/05/10/114694 0592440.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Pretty much as I predicted, Gasnier is yet another League player using
>>>>>>Rugby as a way of negotiating more money out of League.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We've now had Anasta, Johns, Gasnier, and a couple of other minor names
>>>>>>go down the same path, one after the other. You wouldn't want to be a
>>>>>>League player who REALLY did want to make the switch because, from now
>>>>>>on, I doubt the ARU would give you time of day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>ARU will continue to make offers to League players. They have long
>>>>>memories and if they can cause League some indigestion they will
>>>>>continue to do so
>>>>
>>>>You think the ARU should waste man weeks of effort on activities that
>>>>deliver absolutely no benefit to Rugby? Activities that ultimately
>>>>makes Rugby the try hard bitch of players agents negotiating
>>>>deals with League?
>>>
>>>
>>>Waste ? As if they really put a lot of effort and time into it . The
>>>story got Rugby in the papers and on the news so it wasnt a waste.
>>
>>Are you completely daft Will?
>
> Now in my last post I was going to say something along the line of the ARU
> been a bigger fool then you but I resisted and thought I would leave the
> name calling calling and insults out
Calling someone 'daft' is name calling and a really shocking insult
is it? Are you serious?
FFS man, grow some balls and defend your point of view with
a few lucid arguments. Getting all huffy is what women do when
they've lost the argument.
>
>
>>Of course they put a bloody lot of time
>>and effort into it. McKensie met with him twice. Flowers met with
>>him multiple times. Connelly met with him at least once. After every one
>>of those meetings they would have later written up meeting notes and
>>submitted them for others to read. Letters would have been written
>>backwards and forwards, phone calls all over the place, strategy
>>would have been discussed and agreed on, both with regard to Gasnier
>>himself and the media in general. And in the end the ARU had
>>to spend time putting together a specifically tailored deal. And,
>>of course, the entire time the ARU PR guy would have spent days
>>on the phone answering questions. We're talking multiple man
>>weeks of effort.
>
>
> Oh crap, the amount of time was really sweet FA and the time spent wouldnt
> have overbooked their poor overworked calendars ( btw: thats sarcasmn )
Carp is it? Well, in my experience, negotiation and media management
is a time consuming process that takes quite a bit of brain space and
coordination. I've never found it to be "Sweet FA"?
If your experience says something different, you must be one of these
hyper-efficient business people. Good luck to you if you are, but I
doubt the ARU is quite in your league, you legend.
>
>
>>The ARU seem to have handled this professionally from the beginning, and
>>that takes a LOT of work. The difficulty for the ARU has always been
>>gaging Gasniers true level of interest. They've always had their
>>doubts but they were placed in a difficult position by a player's
>>agent working all the angles. Good luck to the players agent, he's
>>doing his job and good luck to Gasnier, he's probably extracted another
>>$500,000 from League over the next few years. The only one to suffer
>>is the ARU.
>
>
> You dont know . Gasnier could have been very interested in Union but in the
> end decided he was better off in the game he knew
You're just regurgitating great chunks of player-agent spin. Just
look at the facts. He's extracted a massive offer from Union, and
has taken it back to his League Club. As a direct result, they have
significantly increased their offer. Now what part of that isn't
staged and EXACTLY what Gasnier would have wanted to happen.
Sorry, but I've said from the beginning that Gasnier was bullshitting.
Willy Tonga, on the other hand, might at one point have been a
genuine chance, but never Gasnier, not from what I can see. Once
you strip away the layers of spin - media spin on top of agent spin -
the facts shout for themselves.
>
>
>>They won't like it, and neither would I expect them too. What they
>>have done by withdrawing their offer is make it slightly harder for
>>Gasnier to extract the last mile in his St George negotiations. A
>>hollow victory, but something.
>
> Something ? Actually nothing
Whatever.
>
>>And, to your other point, exactly what's the benefit of having stories
>>about Gasnier rejecting Union and the ARU being taken for a ride? How
>>does any of that put Union in a good light?
>
>
> The old saying about no such thing as poor publicity.
That's what starlets in Hollywood say, Will. Business people, or
those that want to be taken seriously don't.
> Also quite a few
> League players might have had their interest tweaked
Oh, good grief.
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>>Feel free to dwel on the past if it amuses you, but I'd be very bloody
>>>>disappointed (and surprised) if the ARU bothered with that sort of
>>>>thinking or time wasting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>ROFLMAO
>>>
>>>Mate the ARU are a bunch of bitches and the State Unions are not much
>>>better.
>>>
>>>If the ARU has a chance to snare a quality League player and they pass up
>>>the chance then they are fools
>>
>>If you were offered the Sydney Harbour bridge at a massive discount, would
>>you be a fool to pass up the chance?
>>
>>--
>>Mike
>
>
>
> So you are selling the Bridge ?
>
Couldn't make the connection?
BTW, I'm not interested in a matua vs dingbat style posting orgy, so
that's it from me on the subject. Have you say and we'll leave it at that.
--
Mike
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| Re: Gasnier is out [message #1005975 ] |
Thu, 11 May 2006 07:16 |
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x-no-archive:yes
I think it's publicity whoring at its worst. Forget the ARU didn't sign
their man, they got the desired result - publicity.
Wait 'til the ARU starting raping the AFL.
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| Re: Gasnier is out [message #1006009 ] |
Thu, 11 May 2006 11:55 |
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So many words, so many well designed theories, save your breath, Gasnier is
still on the ARU agenda
Codocks
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| Re: Gasnier is out [message #1006011 ] |
Thu, 11 May 2006 12:01 |
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Mike Thompson wrote:
> Will_S wrote:
> > "Mike Thompson" <I [at] dontthinkso> wrote in message
> > news:44628037$0$10674$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
> >>You think the ARU should waste man weeks of effort on activities that
> >>deliver absolutely no benefit to Rugby? Activities that ultimately
> >>makes Rugby the try hard bitch of players agents negotiating
> >>deals with League?
> >
> >
> > Waste ? As if they really put a lot of effort and time into it . The story
> > got Rugby in the papers and on the news so it wasnt a waste.
>
> Are you completely daft Will?
Ooh! I know this one! Pick me! Pick me!
Cheers
Brent
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| Re: Gasnier is out [message #1006060 ] |
Thu, 11 May 2006 23:51 |
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x-no-archive:yes
> So many words, so many well designed theories, save your breath, Gasnier is
> still on the ARU agenda
and Lomu's on the NZRFU agenda as well. What's the point of having
well-designed theories if they can't be totally, totally implausible?
:o)
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| Re: Gasnier is out [message #1006071 ] |
Fri, 12 May 2006 01:54 |
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"Mike Thompson" <I [at] dontthinkso> wrote in message
news:4462a875$0$25129$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
> Will_S wrote:
>> "Mike Thompson" <I [at] dontthinkso> wrote in message
>> news:44628e3b$0$25525$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
>>
>>>Will_S wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Mike Thompson" <I [at] dontthinkso> wrote in message
>>>>news:44628037$0$10674$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Will_S wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Mike Thompson" <I [at] dontthinkso> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:44626fb9$0$21942$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Uncle Bully wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>ARU has declined its offer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/05/10/114694 0592440.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Pretty much as I predicted, Gasnier is yet another League player
>>>>>>>using
>>>>>>>Rugby as a way of negotiating more money out of League.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We've now had Anasta, Johns, Gasnier, and a couple of other minor
>>>>>>>names
>>>>>>>go down the same path, one after the other. You wouldn't want to be
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>League player who REALLY did want to make the switch because, from
>>>>>>>now
>>>>>>>on, I doubt the ARU would give you time of day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>ARU will continue to make offers to League players. They have long
>>>>>>memories and if they can cause League some indigestion they will
>>>>>>continue to do so
>>>>>
>>>>>You think the ARU should waste man weeks of effort on activities that
>>>>>deliver absolutely no benefit to Rugby? Activities that ultimately
>>>>>makes Rugby the try hard bitch of players agents negotiating
>>>>>deals with League?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Waste ? As if they really put a lot of effort and time into it . The
>>>>story got Rugby in the papers and on the news so it wasnt a waste.
>>>
>>>Are you completely daft Will?
>>
>> Now in my last post I was going to say something along the line of the
>> ARU been a bigger fool then you but I resisted and thought I would leave
>> the name calling calling and insults out
>
> Calling someone 'daft' is name calling and a really shocking insult
> is it? Are you serious?
Yeep
>
> FFS man, grow some balls and defend your point of view with
> a few lucid arguments. Getting all huffy is what women do when
> they've lost the argument.
Keep your knickers on
>
>
>>
>>
>>>Of course they put a bloody lot of time
>>>and effort into it. McKensie met with him twice. Flowers met with
>>>him multiple times. Connelly met with him at least once. After every one
>>>of those meetings they would have later written up meeting notes and
>>>submitted them for others to read. Letters would have been written
>>>backwards and forwards, phone calls all over the place, strategy
>>>would have been discussed and agreed on, both with regard to Gasnier
>>>himself and the media in general. And in the end the ARU had
>>>to spend time putting together a specifically tailored deal. And,
>>>of course, the entire time the ARU PR guy would have spent days
>>>on the phone answering questions. We're talking multiple man
>>>weeks of effort.
>>
>>
>> Oh crap, the amount of time was really sweet FA and the time spent
>> wouldnt have overbooked their poor overworked calendars ( btw: thats
>> sarcasmn )
>
> Carp is it? Well, in my experience, negotiation and media management
> is a time consuming process that takes quite a bit of brain space and
> coordination. I've never found it to be "Sweet FA"?
>
> If your experience says something different, you must be one of these
> hyper-efficient business people. Good luck to you if you are, but I
> doubt the ARU is quite in your league, you legend.
What has fish got to do with it ?
This is what the ARU is suppose to do and if they cant handle it get someone
else
>
>>
>>
>>>The ARU seem to have handled this professionally from the beginning, and
>>>that takes a LOT of work. The difficulty for the ARU has always been
>>>gaging Gasniers true level of interest. They've always had their
>>>doubts but they were placed in a difficult position by a player's
>>>agent working all the angles. Good luck to the players agent, he's
>>>doing his job and good luck to Gasnier, he's probably extracted another
>>>$500,000 from League over the next few years. The only one to suffer
>>>is the ARU.
>>
>>
>> You dont know . Gasnier could have been very interested in Union but in
>> the end decided he was better off in the game he knew
>
> You're just regurgitating great chunks of player-agent spin. Just
> look at the facts. He's extracted a massive offer from Union, and
> has taken it back to his League Club. As a direct result, they have
> significantly increased their offer. Now what part of that isn't
> staged and EXACTLY what Gasnier would have wanted to happen.
And what have you been regurgitating ? FFS, how the fuck do you know what
Gasnier was thinking.
>
> Sorry, but I've said from the beginning that Gasnier was bullshitting.
> Willy Tonga, on the other hand, might at one point have been a
> genuine chance, but never Gasnier, not from what I can see. Once
> you strip away the layers of spin - media spin on top of agent spin -
> the facts shout for themselves.
You are full of it
>
>>
>>
>>>They won't like it, and neither would I expect them too. What they
>>>have done by withdrawing their offer is make it slightly harder for
>>>Gasnier to extract the last mile in his St George negotiations. A
>>>hollow victory, but something.
>>
>> Something ? Actually nothing
>
> Whatever.
>
>>
>>>And, to your other point, exactly what's the benefit of having stories
>>>about Gasnier rejecting Union and the ARU being taken for a ride? How
>>>does any of that put Union in a good light?
>>
>>
>> The old saying about no such thing as poor publicity.
>
> That's what starlets in Hollywood say, Will. Business people, or
> those that want to be taken seriously don't.
>
>
> > Also quite a few
>> League players might have had their interest tweaked
>
> Oh, good grief.
Oh poor Charlie Brown
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Feel free to dwel on the past if it amuses you, but I'd be very bloody
>>>>>disappointed (and surprised) if the ARU bothered with that sort of
>>>>>thinking or time wasting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>ROFLMAO
>>>>
>>>>Mate the ARU are a bunch of bitches and the State Unions are not much
>>>>better.
>>>>
>>>>If the ARU has a chance to snare a quality League player and they pass
>>>>up the chance then they are fools
>>>
>>>If you were offered the Sydney Harbour bridge at a massive discount,
>>>would
>>>you be a fool to pass up the chance?
>>>
>>>--
>>>Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> So you are selling the Bridge ?
>
> Couldn't make the connection?
Cant you recognise sarcasm
>
> BTW, I'm not interested in a matua vs dingbat style posting orgy, so
> that's it from me on the subject. Have you say and we'll leave it at
> that.
>
> --
> Mike
>
I agree with your last paragraph
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"Will_S" <spam [at] ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike Thompson" <I [at] dontthinkso> wrote in message
> news:4462a875$0$25129$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
>> Will_S wrote:
>>> "Mike Thompson" <I [at] dontthinkso> wrote in message
>>> news:44628e3b$0$25525$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>
>>>>Will_S wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Mike Thompson" <I [at] dontthinkso> wrote in message
>>>>>news:44628037$0$10674$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Will_S wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Mike Thompson" <I [at] dontthinkso> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:44626fb9$0$21942$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Uncle Bully wrote:
>>>>Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So you are selling the Bridge ?
>>
>> Couldn't make the connection?
>
> Cant you recognise sarcasm
>>
>> BTW, I'm not interested in a matua vs dingbat style posting orgy, so
>> that's it from me on the subject. Have you say and we'll leave it at
>> that.
>>
>> --
>> Mike
>>
>
> I agree with your last paragraph
What are you agreeing with petal, do you have mummies permission?
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