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| MLB uses special different baseballs when pitching to Bonds [message #1005206] |
Sun, 07 May 2006 16:46 |
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Heard that MLB uses special different baseballs when pitching to Barry
Bonds.
It doesn't make sense to use the special baseballs. Perhaps they want
to verify the balls are official for supposed "landmark" home runs, but
the balls shouldn't be worth anything. The madness of auctioning off
baseballs for big bucks is over. Barry's 715th home run shouldn't mean
anything because the person he surpasses is irrelevant, and he's not
breaking any record. And I don't believe Bonds will reach Aaron,
therefore there's no reason to have a special ball for the all time
career record. This will probably be Bonds' last season, and he won't
get anywhere near Aaron's mark. He'll probably have some injuries, and
if he does hit a lot of HR, he'll get walked a lot more.
In terms of actual milestone HRs by Bonds, it's too bad the balls were
hoarded by millionaires. A yuppie kayaker named Larry Ellison (not THE
Larry Ellison of Oracle, but still a greedy, filthy-rich jerk) caught
either #700 or the one that put Bonds ahead of Mays. If that ball was
worth anything, Ellison should have left the ball to someone who needed
the money. When McGwire hit #70, a rich Ivy League stem-cell cloning
genome research grant brat got the ball, though the ball went into his
special rich-people private box, so the brat didn't choose to position
himself the way the sissy millionaire kayaking yuppie did.
My main concern with the special balls is the likelihood the ball is
juiced, travelling faster and making it easier to hit a home run,
giving Bonds unfair advantages. It's also possible the special balls
are harder for Bonds to hit out of the parks.
In 1998, MLB used special baseballs just for Mark McGwire. I believe
many of McGwire's home runs may not have left the park had they used
ordinary baseballs. MLB may have juiced the McGwire balls because they
wanted McGwire to break Maris' record to revive interest in baseball
after the strike drove many fans away. #62 barely made it over the
left field wall near the foul pole. #63 was a mile high and landed in
the left-center bleachers about 5 rows back.
Some people think Sammy Sosa would have hit more home runs in 1998 had
McGwire used ordinary baseballs or Sosa been allowed to hit the special
McGwire balls.
It seems weird to say "McGwire balls", given the effect steroids has on
the people who take them: severe shrinkage and atrophy.
McGwire got a lot of cheap HRs for other reasons, for example the
horrible Cardinal bullpen often blew leads, giving McGwire extra
at-bats in extra innings and the bottom of the 9th. McGwire got most
of his HRs in meaningless situations, often in blowout losses
(Cardinals had a big losing record when Mac hit HRs) with a few blowout
victories, rarely clutch situations. Tony LaRussa whined and
campaigned for opposing pitchers not to walk him (Bonds walked MANY
more times in 2001). LaRussa played not to win, but to maximize
McGwire opportunities. LaRussa batted McGwire 3rd, and at one point he
batted the pitcher 8th to increase the probability of McGwire being in
positions to hit home runs. Some racists claimed Latin pitchers were
serving up gift pitches to Sosa; in reality, it's much more likely
white pitchers (of which there are a lot more than Latin pitchers, not
to mention Latins play even harder against each other) challenged
McGwire with hittable pitches.
And of course the main reason McGwire hit so many HR: he was juiced up
on steroids plus the Andro smokescreen.
Yes there were plenty of other illegit reaons McGwire hit so many HR,
but a big red flag is a special juiced baseball used only when McGwire
bats. It would be unfair of me not to speak out against the special
Bonds-only baseballs when I've complained about the special
McGwire-only baseballs.
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| Re: MLB uses special different baseballs when pitching to Bonds [message #1005209 ] |
Sun, 07 May 2006 16:52 |
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Terry Lomax <Lomax47 [at] hotmail.com> trolled:
> My main concern with the special balls is the likelihood the ball is
> juiced, travelling faster and making it easier to hit a home run,
> giving Bonds unfair advantages. It's also possible the special balls
> are harder for Bonds to hit out of the parks.
This is paranoia. Laughable paranoia. If this were true, word
would certainly get out and the credibility of baseball would be
utterly destroyed, if it hasn't been already.
cordially, as always,
rm
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| Re: MLB uses special different baseballs when pitching to Bonds [message #1005211 ] |
Sun, 07 May 2006 17:51 |
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On 7 May 2006 07:46:45 -0700, "Terry Lomax" <Lomax47 [at] hotmail.com>
wrote:
>Heard that MLB uses special different baseballs when pitching to Barry
>Bonds.
....snip...
>In 1998, MLB used special baseballs just for Mark McGwire. I believe
>many of McGwire's home runs may not have left the park had they used
>ordinary baseballs. MLB may have juiced the McGwire balls because they
>wanted McGwire to break Maris' record to revive interest in baseball
>after the strike drove many fans away. #62 barely made it over the
>left field wall near the foul pole.
If I remember correctly, #62 also barely achieved an altitude of 25 or
30 feet, it was a screaming line shot.
>#63 was a mile high and landed in
>the left-center bleachers about 5 rows back.
>
....and, hit at an optimum angle, who knows how far it might have
travelled.
Tom
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| Re: MLB uses special different baseballs when pitching to Bonds [message #1005214 ] |
Sun, 07 May 2006 18:30 |
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On 7 May 2006 07:46:45 -0700, "Terry Lomax" <Lomax47 [at] hotmail.com>
wrote:
>In 1998, MLB used special baseballs just for Mark McGwire.
This is false.
They used them for Sosa too.
--
James Farrar
. [at] gmail.com
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| Re: MLB uses special different baseballs when pitching to Bonds [message #1005215 ] |
Sun, 07 May 2006 18:30 |
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In fact, it's been announced that they AREN'T going to do it for if he
gets to #715.
Mike
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| Re: MLB uses special different baseballs when pitching to Bonds [message #1005216 ] |
Sun, 07 May 2006 18:34 |
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starcade [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> In fact, it's been announced that they AREN'T going to do it for if he
> gets to #715.
>
> Mike
>
They changed their minds and are using marked balls for Bonds's passing
Ruth.
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| Re: MLB uses special different baseballs when pitching to Bonds [message #1005221 ] |
Sun, 07 May 2006 20:41 |
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James Farrar wrote:
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> On 7 May 2006 07:46:45 -0700, "Terry Lomax" <Lomax47 [at] hotmail.com>
> wrote:
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> >In 1998, MLB used special baseballs just for Mark McGwire.
>
> This is false.
>
> They used them for Sosa too.
>
> --
> James Farrar
> . [at] gmail.com
They did it for McGuire as well, James. ;)
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| Re: MLB uses special different baseballs when pitching to Bonds [message #1005222 ] |
Sun, 07 May 2006 20:41 |
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Kenny1111 wrote:
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> starcade [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> > In fact, it's been announced that they AREN'T going to do it for if he
> > gets to #715.
> >
> > Mike
> >
>
> They changed their minds and are using marked balls for Bonds's passing
> Ruth.
They marked Barry's balls?
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| Re: MLB uses special different baseballs when pitching to Bonds [message #1005225 ] |
Sun, 07 May 2006 21:15 |
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"John Walsh" <j1walsh [at] lava.net> wrote in message
news:445E3F64.DCC97539 [at] lava.net...
> Kenny1111 wrote:
>>
>> starcade [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>> > In fact, it's been announced that they AREN'T going to do it for if he
>> > gets to #715.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>>
>> They changed their minds and are using marked balls for Bonds's passing
>> Ruth.
>
> They marked Barry's balls?
Barry only plays with his specially marked balls.
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| Re: MLB uses special different baseballs when pitching to Bonds [message #1005227 ] |
Sun, 07 May 2006 21:38 |
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Mojo <mojoisnot [at] home.com> trolled:
> "John Walsh" <j1walsh [at] lava.net> wrote in message
> > Kenny1111 wrote:
> >> starcade [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> >> > In fact, it's been announced that they AREN'T going to do it
> >> > for if he gets to #715.
> >> They changed their minds and are using marked balls for Bonds's
> >> passing Ruth.
> > They marked Barry's balls?
> Barry only plays with his specially marked balls.
Chris Cathcart could tell us for sure.
cordially, as always,
rm
--
Even Nelson Lu has no clue!
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| Re: MLB uses special different baseballs when pitching to Bonds [message #1015002 ] |
Mon, 08 May 2006 05:23 |
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Dear Terry Lomax. I hope you catch number 714, and the ball turns out to be
worthless. If anyone else catches it, I hope it is worth at least 6
figures.
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| Re: MLB uses special different baseballs when pitching to Bonds [message #1015009 ] |
Mon, 08 May 2006 09:51 |
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In article <GPGdnd7n9fgDJMPZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d [at] comcast.com>,
"Dr. Wayne Simon" <wayne.simon [at] comcast.net> wrote:
> Dear Terry Lomax. I hope you catch number 714, and the ball turns out to be
> worthless. If anyone else catches it, I hope it is worth at least 6
> figures.
It wasn't one of his best, but this was a classic Lomax rant; he has
some real doozies in the Cardinals newsgroup. He had one on opening day
at the new ballpark (which he wasn't at, of course, but he still had his
nasty conclusions) and the best was in a thread on the charge about how
they didn't put enough ladies rooms in the new ballpark ("Today's banner
headline in the Post-Dispatch") in which the misogynistic sentiment,
complete with threats of violence, was stunning.
--
JD
"...if you think the 'Star Wars' prequels are a disease, then
'Serenity' is the cure."
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| Re: MLB uses special different baseballs when pitching to Bonds [message #1015016 ] |
Mon, 08 May 2006 14:21 |
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Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> It wasn't one of his best, but this was a classic Lomax rant; he has
> some real doozies in the Cardinals newsgroup. He had one on opening day
> at the new ballpark (which he wasn't at, of course, but he still had his
> nasty conclusions) and the best was in a thread on the charge about how
> they didn't put enough ladies rooms in the new ballpark ("Today's banner
> headline in the Post-Dispatch") in which the misogynistic sentiment,
> complete with threats of violence, was stunning.
Jeanne is a feminist twat who brags about invading men's restrooms,
taking up men's stalls for huge amounts of time, and staring lewdly at
the men and boys in the restrooms. In addition, Jeanne made litigious
threats to organizations that don't give many more women's stalls than
men's. Jeanne was called on her sexual harrassment and people
explained the consequences if she invaded men's rooms. Jeanne kept
bumping the thread, continually posting "more than we need to know"
details which immediately got refuted by Rob Petrie, who knows how to
push Jeanne's buttons by pointing out flaws in Eckstein and Edmonds.
Jeanne is a roto-rooter geek who isn't a real baseball fan. A year ago
she made some decent posts defending Bonds from unfounded steroid
accusations, but now she doesn't even make those good posts.
Unlike Jeanne, I've been in the new Cardinal ballpark and have access
to local STL media where people have tons of issues with the park.
Jeanne is a SoCal "create your own reality" loony.
Jeanne expects Usenet posters to give her preferential treatment
because she's female. She wants everyone to be a chivalrous eunuch who
holds off on flaming her because she's a girl.
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| Re: MLB uses special different baseballs when pitching to Bonds [message #1015048 ] |
Tue, 09 May 2006 02:11 |
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In article <1147013205.611167.196260 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Terry Lomax" <Lomax47 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> McGwire got a lot of cheap HRs for other reasons, for example the
> horrible Cardinal bullpen often blew leads, giving McGwire extra
> at-bats in extra innings and the bottom of the 9th.
And Maris got extra at bats because the Yankee offense was so good in
1961. He also had the advantage of batting in front of Mickey Mantle for
most of the season, and wasn't walked intentionally once. He also got
the benefit of playing in an expansion year, which meant that there were
roughly 20 pitchers in the league who wouldn't have been good enough to
play in the majors the year before.
--
Hank Gillette
There are huge differences between the Nixon presidency and this one, of
course, but surprisingly few would appear to redound to this administration's
benefit, including even the fundamental question of the competence of the
president. -- Carl Bernstein
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| Re: MLB uses special different baseballs when pitching to Bonds [message #1015057 ] |
Tue, 09 May 2006 03:56 |
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See what I mean; he's precious.
In article <1147090885.623444.131720 [at] v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
"Terry Lomax" <Lomax47 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>
> > It wasn't one of his best, but this was a classic Lomax rant; he has
> > some real doozies in the Cardinals newsgroup. He had one on opening day
> > at the new ballpark (which he wasn't at, of course, but he still had his
> > nasty conclusions) and the best was in a thread on the charge about how
> > they didn't put enough ladies rooms in the new ballpark ("Today's banner
> > headline in the Post-Dispatch") in which the misogynistic sentiment,
> > complete with threats of violence, was stunning.
>
> Jeanne is a feminist twat who brags about invading men's restrooms,
> taking up men's stalls for huge amounts of time, and staring lewdly at
> the men and boys in the restrooms. In addition, Jeanne made litigious
> threats to organizations that don't give many more women's stalls than
> men's. Jeanne was called on her sexual harrassment and people
> explained the consequences if she invaded men's rooms. Jeanne kept
> bumping the thread, continually posting "more than we need to know"
> details which immediately got refuted by Rob Petrie, who knows how to
> push Jeanne's buttons by pointing out flaws in Eckstein and Edmonds.
>
> Jeanne is a roto-rooter geek who isn't a real baseball fan. A year ago
> she made some decent posts defending Bonds from unfounded steroid
> accusations, but now she doesn't even make those good posts.
>
> Unlike Jeanne, I've been in the new Cardinal ballpark and have access
> to local STL media where people have tons of issues with the park.
> Jeanne is a SoCal "create your own reality" loony.
>
> Jeanne expects Usenet posters to give her preferential treatment
> because she's female. She wants everyone to be a chivalrous eunuch who
> holds off on flaming her because she's a girl.
--
JD
"...if you think the 'Star Wars' prequels are a disease, then
'Serenity' is the cure."
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| Re: MLB uses special different baseballs when pitching to Bonds [message #1015075 ] |
Tue, 09 May 2006 15:53 |
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Terry Lomax:
I like your lines of reasoning.
Certainly, speculation continues to this day about the ball being
JUICED for the 1961 AL season, when not only did an unlikely and barely
likeable Maris hit 61 taters, but a record number of AL hitters clubbed
40 or more homers, several never to do it again. And of course Norm
Cash, who never before or since hit .300, led the league with a .361
mark.
Before the '61 season, AL league owners, pissed that the NL homer guys
dwarfed the AL leaders' homer (and attendance) totals, clamored for and
got tighter wrapped balls. And like the NL balls in 1929 and 1930,
they produced the desired results.
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| Re: MLB uses special different baseballs when pitching to Bonds [message #1015076 ] |
Tue, 09 May 2006 16:04 |
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Hank Gillette wrote:
> In article <1147013205.611167.196260 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> "Terry Lomax" <Lomax47 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > McGwire got a lot of cheap HRs for other reasons, for example the
> > horrible Cardinal bullpen often blew leads, giving McGwire extra
> > at-bats in extra innings and the bottom of the 9th.
>
> And Maris got extra at bats because the Yankee offense was so good in
> 1961. He also had the advantage of batting in front of Mickey Mantle for
> most of the season, and wasn't walked intentionally once. He also got
> the benefit of playing in an expansion year, which meant that there were
> roughly 20 pitchers in the league who wouldn't have been good enough to
> play in the majors the year before.
>
> --
> Hank Gillette
And this in turn merely points out that in order to break a record,
both the athlete and the circumstances need to be good. As surprises
go, this isn't.
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| Re: MLB uses special different baseballs when pitching to Bonds [message #1015093 ] |
Tue, 09 May 2006 21:39 |
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Sigh ... why do I have to spend my valuable time educating the Monkey
Men of this planet .... why?!
Look Chim Chim, Barry hitting #715 IS significant because he will then
no longer be 3rd, or tied for 2nd place ... he will be SOLE owner of
the 2nd more home runs hit.
Giants bull pin sucks too ... therefore Barry has the same issues as
you pointed out.
Ok let me get this straight Monkey Man, first Barry is Juiced ... now
that he is back to 'moon shot' home runs, the ball is now juiced. Next
you will be telling is that his bat is 'juiced', the air in which the
ball travels through is 'juiced', and the JUICE is 'juiced'!
Monkey Man, stop that dumb thinking!
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| Re: MLB uses special different baseballs when pitching to Bonds [message #1015102 ] |
Tue, 09 May 2006 23:45 |
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On 8 May 2006 05:21:25 -0700, "Terry Lomax" <Lomax47 [at] hotmail.com> gave
us:
>Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>> It wasn't one of his best, but this was a classic Lomax rant; he has
>> some real doozies in the Cardinals newsgroup. He had one on opening day
>> at the new ballpark (which he wasn't at, of course, but he still had his
>> nasty conclusions) and the best was in a thread on the charge about how
>> they didn't put enough ladies rooms in the new ballpark ("Today's banner
>> headline in the Post-Dispatch") in which the misogynistic sentiment,
>> complete with threats of violence, was stunning.
>Jeanne is a feminist twat who brags about invading men's restrooms,
>taking up men's stalls for huge amounts of time, and staring lewdly at
>the men and boys in the restrooms. In addition, Jeanne made litigious
>threats to organizations that don't give many more women's stalls than
>men's. Jeanne was called on her sexual harrassment and people
>explained the consequences if she invaded men's rooms. Jeanne kept
>bumping the thread, continually posting "more than we need to know"
>details which immediately got refuted by Rob Petrie, who knows how to
>push Jeanne's buttons by pointing out flaws in Eckstein and Edmonds.
Was that in the same thread where you said that any woman in the men's
room deserved to be raped and beaten?
--
Lance
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been
baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers.
It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again.
But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's
a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was
good and it could be again." -- Terrence Mann
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| Re: MLB uses special different baseballs when pitching to Bonds [message #1015103 ] |
Tue, 09 May 2006 23:47 |
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 17:30:00 +0100, James Farrar
<james.s.farrar [at] gmail.com> gave us:
>On 7 May 2006 07:46:45 -0700, "Terry Lomax" <Lomax47 [at] hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>>In 1998, MLB used special baseballs just for Mark McGwire.
>This is false.
>They used them for Sosa too.
Most of what Lomax (aka Ahti Eric Rovainen) says is false. Those of
us who frequent the Cardinals newsgroup have grown used to his own
particular brand of insanity.
--
Lance
"In a world filled with hate, prejudice, and protest,
I find that I too am filled with hate, prejudice, and
protest." -- Bob Gibson
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| Re: MLB uses special different baseballs when pitching to Bonds [message #1015105 ] |
Wed, 10 May 2006 00:07 |
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On 9 May 2006 07:04:48 -0700, "Richard R. Hershberger"
<rrhersh [at] acme.com> wrote:
>
>Hank Gillette wrote:
>> In article <1147013205.611167.196260 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>> "Terry Lomax" <Lomax47 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > McGwire got a lot of cheap HRs for other reasons, for example the
>> > horrible Cardinal bullpen often blew leads, giving McGwire extra
>> > at-bats in extra innings and the bottom of the 9th.
>>
>> And Maris got extra at bats because the Yankee offense was so good in
>> 1961. He also had the advantage of batting in front of Mickey Mantle for
>> most of the season, and wasn't walked intentionally once. He also got
>> the benefit of playing in an expansion year, which meant that there were
>> roughly 20 pitchers in the league who wouldn't have been good enough to
>> play in the majors the year before.
>>
>> --
>> Hank Gillette
>
>And this in turn merely points out that in order to break a record,
>both the athlete and the circumstances need to be good. As surprises
>go, this isn't.
I wonder whether the net effect in 1973 was to help or hurt Nolan
Ryan's total K number for the season...
Tom
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| Re: MLB uses special different baseballs when pitching to Bonds [message #1015122 ] |
Wed, 10 May 2006 05:50 |
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In article <093262ho9bt7rb9ldr9a9v4pvm7qou4fis [at] 4ax.com>,
Lance Freezeland <freezelandlaw.nospam [at] consolidated.net> wrote:
> On 8 May 2006 05:21:25 -0700, "Terry Lomax" <Lomax47 [at] hotmail.com> gave
> us:
> >Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>
> >> It wasn't one of his best, but this was a classic Lomax rant; he has
> >> some real doozies in the Cardinals newsgroup. He had one on opening day
> >> at the new ballpark (which he wasn't at, of course, but he still had his
> >> nasty conclusions) and the best was in a thread on the charge about how
> >> they didn't put enough ladies rooms in the new ballpark ("Today's banner
> >> headline in the Post-Dispatch") in which the misogynistic sentiment,
> >> complete with threats of violence, was stunning.
>
> >Jeanne is a feminist twat who brags about invading men's restrooms,
> >taking up men's stalls for huge amounts of time, and staring lewdly at
> >the men and boys in the restrooms. In addition, Jeanne made litigious
> >threats to organizations that don't give many more women's stalls than
> >men's. Jeanne was called on her sexual harrassment and people
> >explained the consequences if she invaded men's rooms. Jeanne kept
> >bumping the thread, continually posting "more than we need to know"
> >details which immediately got refuted by Rob Petrie, who knows how to
> >push Jeanne's buttons by pointing out flaws in Eckstein and Edmonds.
>
> Was that in the same thread where you said that any woman in the men's
> room deserved to be raped and beaten?
That's the one.
--
JD
"...if you think the 'Star Wars' prequels are a disease, then
'Serenity' is the cure."
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