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| OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984469] |
Tue, 02 May 2006 00:37 |
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Got a flyer in the mail last week from McDonalds.
All in Spanish.
Problem is ... I dont speak or read Spanish.
I am just a dumb (legal) American that speaks and reads English (and not all
that well)
With all the press over illegals Is that bad timing or what.
Austa la .... something or other.
Ever put any Spanish on the cueball?
Willee
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984470 ] |
Tue, 02 May 2006 00:46 |
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Will-Lee-Cue wrote:
> Got a flyer in the mail last week from McDonalds.
> All in Spanish.
> Problem is ... I dont speak or read Spanish.
> I am just a dumb (legal) American that speaks and reads English (and not all
> that well)
>
> With all the press over illegals Is that bad timing or what.
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> Austa la .... something or other.
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> Ever put any Spanish on the cueball?
>
> Willee
>
>
My daughter told me she caught a newsclip the other day where Bush
stated that English is our language not Spanish and that immigrants need
to get that straight ! Wow , what a president !
Tom ( I only speak anglish ) seifert
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984473 ] |
Tue, 02 May 2006 01:50 |
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What is so hard to understand about the word "Illegal"?
If they are illegal, they are criminals.
Hank <~~~no gray areas
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984474 ] |
Tue, 02 May 2006 02:51 |
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More correctly they are "outlaws" that is they operate outside the law.
What rights do outlaws have to control our country or demand changes?
Is it not enough they suck up billions in free medical services each year,
make billions of tax free money, and pay nothing for the free social
services they demand as rights?
To sneak into a country trying to get a job and make some money is one
thing, waving a Mexican flag, boycotting gringo goods and services, and
demanding rights they are not entitled to is quite another and I am afraid
this is going to backfire on them big time. People who did not care one way
or another about it are now mad as hell.
Willee
<ninebal310 [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:1146527448.036267.295190 [at] j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> What is so hard to understand about the word "Illegal"?
>
> If they are illegal, they are criminals.
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> Hank <~~~no gray areas
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984476 ] |
Tue, 02 May 2006 03:43 |
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Not to mention, they re-wrote the National Anthem.
--
Bob Johnson, Denver/Thornton, Co.
bobj [at] cris.com
"Will-Lee-Cue" <n5wrx [at] stx.rr.com> wrote in message
news:12y5g.11212$eI4.7791 [at] tornado.texas.rr.com...
> More correctly they are "outlaws" that is they operate outside the law.
>
> What rights do outlaws have to control our country or demand changes?
> Is it not enough they suck up billions in free medical services each year,
> make billions of tax free money, and pay nothing for the free social
> services they demand as rights?
>
> To sneak into a country trying to get a job and make some money is one
> thing, waving a Mexican flag, boycotting gringo goods and services, and
> demanding rights they are not entitled to is quite another and I am afraid
> this is going to backfire on them big time. People who did not care one
> way or another about it are now mad as hell.
>
> Willee
>
>
> <ninebal310 [at] aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1146527448.036267.295190 [at] j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> What is so hard to understand about the word "Illegal"?
>>
>> If they are illegal, they are criminals.
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>> Hank <~~~no gray areas
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984479 ] |
Tue, 02 May 2006 03:58 |
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984481 ] |
Tue, 02 May 2006 06:08 |
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I understand why they want to be here, they're looking for a better way
of life as everyone wants. However this country can not support every one's
dream. They say that they are doing jobs that no one else wants but why are
those jobs unwanted? The reason is that they have drove the wages down so
far in certain industries that a normal person supporting a family can not
take those jobs any longer. They give examples of unwanted jobs as farm
hands, the meat industry and construction. Thing is that both the meat
industry and construction used to be very good paying jobs before the
illegals came along.
I keep hearing that there is no way to be able to round up 12 to 20
million illegals and send them back. Thing is they don't have to. Just fine
all the businesses that are hiring all these illegals for low pay and most
will go back home. It's illegal to hire an illegal but since no one does
anything about it these corporations are getting away with murder. They pay
them nothing and then let the state, which is YOU pay their Medical,
Schooling, Rent subsidies and all the other social benifets. Last week on
one of the talk shows it was brought up that they don't pay taxes and the
Spanish fellow who was defending the illegals said that they pay sales tax
on what they spend and we should be happy with that. There does not need to
be a great round-up but as illegals are caught send them back instead of
just releasing them.
This of coarse will never happen though as the big money corporations
want them here and congress sure isn't going to bite the hand that feeds
them.
I think all illegals should be sent back and all the politicians right
behind them.
Dick
"Bob Johnson" <bobj [at] cris.com> wrote in message
news:e36dfv$ajp [at] dispatch.concentric.net...
> Not to mention, they re-wrote the National Anthem.
> --
> Bob Johnson, Denver/Thornton, Co.
> bobj [at] cris.com
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> "Will-Lee-Cue" <n5wrx [at] stx.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:12y5g.11212$eI4.7791 [at] tornado.texas.rr.com...
>> More correctly they are "outlaws" that is they operate outside the law.
>>
>> What rights do outlaws have to control our country or demand changes?
>> Is it not enough they suck up billions in free medical services each
>> year, make billions of tax free money, and pay nothing for the free
>> social services they demand as rights?
>>
>> To sneak into a country trying to get a job and make some money is one
>> thing, waving a Mexican flag, boycotting gringo goods and services, and
>> demanding rights they are not entitled to is quite another and I am
>> afraid this is going to backfire on them big time. People who did not
>> care one way or another about it are now mad as hell.
>>
>> Willee
>>
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>> <ninebal310 [at] aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1146527448.036267.295190 [at] j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> What is so hard to understand about the word "Illegal"?
>>>
>>> If they are illegal, they are criminals.
>>>
>>> Hank <~~~no gray areas
>>>
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984487 ] |
Tue, 02 May 2006 13:21 |
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On May 2 2006 1:08 AM, Dick wrote:
> ...
> I think all illegals should be sent back and all the politicians right
> behind them.
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> Dick
Or at the very least, come here with the intention of becoming Americans
with all that implies, including learning English as their primary
language. My wife's grandfather immigrated from Poland, as much of a
strain as it was for him he always spoke English not Polish. If you asked
my father-in-law (god rest his soul) if he were Polish, he always reply
"No, I'm American". That's the way it should be, we should welcome all who
want to become legal AMERICANS.
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984493 ] |
Tue, 02 May 2006 16:14 |
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SteveE wrote:
> On May 2 2006 1:08 AM, Dick wrote:
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>
>>...
>> I think all illegals should be sent back and all the politicians right
>>behind them.
>>
>> Dick
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>
> Or at the very least, come here with the intention of becoming Americans
> with all that implies, including learning English as their primary
> language. My wife's grandfather immigrated from Poland, as much of a
> strain as it was for him he always spoke English not Polish. If you asked
> my father-in-law (god rest his soul) if he were Polish, he always reply
> "No, I'm American". That's the way it should be, we should welcome all who
> want to become legal AMERICANS.
>
>
> ____________________________________________________
I agree , after all, America is the big melting pot ! I have no problem
with someone wanting to come here and make a better life for themselves
and adopt America as their home and in doing so choose to abide by our
laws , customs and most of all , language ! I have a friend who had a
small drywall company ( 6 employees ) who was forced out of business by
a couple companies of illegals who would show up with 20 people on a job
that called for and paid a 6 person wage , he lost his house and was
forced into bankruptcy ......That's the kind of shit that pisses me
off.... !
Tom..
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984494 ] |
Tue, 02 May 2006 16:24 |
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Tom Seifert aka Ratchet wrote:
> My daughter told me she caught a newsclip the other day where Bush
> stated that English is our language not Spanish and that immigrants need
> to get that straight ! Wow , what a president !
Indeed.
"No question that the enemy has tried to spread sectarian violence.
They use violence as a tool to do that." - Washington, D.C., March
22, 2006
"I like my buddies from west Texas. I liked them when I was young, I
liked them then I was middle-age, I liked them before I was president,
and I like them during president, and I like them after
president."-Nashville, Tenn., Feb. 1, 2006
"I'll be glad to talk about ranching, but I haven't seen the movie.
I've heard about it. I hope you go-you know-I hope you go back to
the ranch and the farm is what I'm about to say."-Explaining that he
hasn't yet seen Brokeback Mountain, Manhattan, Kan., Jan. 23, 2006
I have a DIY t-shirt with Dubya's photo that reads, "I turned 51 on
Nov. 3, 2004, and all I got was this crappy President." Gets me lots of
free drinks and belligerent glares.
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984495 ] |
Tue, 02 May 2006 16:32 |
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Will-Lee-Cue wrote:
> Austa la .... something or other.
You live in Texas and you can't spell "hasta?" Tsk, tsk...
> Ever put any Spanish on the cueball?
Only when there's no bridge and the cue ball has to swim.
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984496 ] |
Tue, 02 May 2006 16:58 |
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In article <p6edna2DV6ZeEsvZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d [at] greenapple.com>,
ratchet1957 [at] yahoo.com says...
> Will-Lee-Cue wrote:
> > Got a flyer in the mail last week from McDonalds.
> > All in Spanish.
> > Problem is ... I dont speak or read Spanish.
> > I am just a dumb (legal) American that speaks and reads English (and not all
> > that well)
> >
> > With all the press over illegals Is that bad timing or what.
> >
> > Austa la .... something or other.
> >
> > Ever put any Spanish on the cueball?
> >
> > Willee
> >
> >
> My daughter told me she caught a newsclip the other day where Bush
> stated that English is our language not Spanish and that immigrants need
> to get that straight ! Wow , what a president !
>
> Tom ( I only speak anglish ) seifert
Actually what he said was that the national anthem should be sung in
English when asked about the Spanish version.
John Black
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984497 ] |
Tue, 02 May 2006 16:59 |
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Some one mentioned earlier in the thread that all this immigration stuff
is meant to distract us from the "real" issues. IMHO this is correct,
to a point. The distraction is keeping us, from addressing our
governments failure to prevent the 9/11 attacks, failure to retaliate
for the bombing's of the Cole and the embassy's in Africa and NOT using
"profiling" to weed out terrorists. Not much was made of the fact that
many "islamic" communities in the USA, cheered in the streets when the
World Trade center buildings were attacked. (they hushed up very
quickly, which shows they're not stupid.) Some of these people still
support terrorists and little has been done to apprehend them. I have
friends whose German and Italian grandparents were interned in WWII
because they weren't citizens (unlike some of the Japanese who were).
It wasn't wrong to intern non-citizens from contries that attacked us,
it was a prudent move to prevent possible terrorism.
At one time being an American Citizen was a really BIG deal. US citizens
didn't need visa's to enter most countries and we were held in high
esteem in many foreign countries. Now you don't even need to speak
American english to get a drivers license, let alone a passport, and the
shinanagans of our politicians has denigrated us in the eye's of people
in many nations.
The Australian PM, after some riots by Islamic imigrants, made a speach
in which he stated that Australia welcomed imigrants, and the imigrants
had an obligation to accept Australian language and culture or leave.
President Bush should paraphase that speach and have the INS get off
it's ass and begin the process of sorting out illegals so that those who
live and work can begin the steps toward citizenship and those who don't
qualify can be deported or put into a "transitional" category.
The Dutch just implemented strict imigration rules, if you don't speak
Dutch, andcan't accept or reconcile their liberal culure then you can't
become a citizen.
Just a short(?) rant LOL
--
Bill O - At the 5 Ball
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984498 ] |
Tue, 02 May 2006 16:55 |
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On May 2 2006 11:32 AM, Dhakala wrote:
> Will-Lee-Cue wrote:
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> > Ever put any Spanish on the cueball?
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> Only when there's no bridge and the cue ball has to swim.
:-)
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984499 ] |
Tue, 02 May 2006 17:17 |
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sittingduck wrote:
> Tom Seifert aka Ratchet wrote:
>
> > My daughter told me she caught a newsclip the other day where Bush
> > stated that English is our language not Spanish and that immigrants need
> > to get that straight ! Wow , what a president !
>
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> I find it sickening that people are so stupid as to buy the lie that it's the
> illegal's fault.
"It" being just about anything, these days. The need to repeat
everything in Spanish is the cause of urban public schools'
underachievement, y'know.
Medicaid would be cheaper if not for all the illegals on it. Well, the
total cost of Medicaid in 2004 was $300 billion. The Center for
Immigration Studies somehow estimates that $2.5 billion goest to
illegals. Add a grain of salt and you still don't have a hill of beans.
Yet another crystal ball says that illegals represent 3% of the general
population but 17% of the prison population, suggesting that illegals
are more criminally inclined than the rest of us. Of course, it has
nothing to do with the additional crimes with which illegals can be
charged just for being here illegally, or the quality of defense
counsel they can afford, or the outrageous overall difference between
white and "other" sentencing rates.
Our kids can't get entry-level jobs because the illegals have them all.
I had one soccer mom complain to me that her two teenaged sons could
not find fast food jobs last summer because "GUESS WHO was there?"
I guessed, "Someone who got there first and doesn't plan to quit when
school starts again?"
The most curious thing, to me, is people's insistence that "illegals
have no rights." They would deny illegals even the right to peaceably
assemble and petition their government for redress of grievances. The
plain language of the 14th Amendment and several Supreme Court rulings
just don't sink in.
14th Amendment, Section 1: "No State shall make or enforce any law
which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any State deprive ANY PERSON of life, liberty,
or property, without due process of law; nor deny to ANY PERSON within
its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
The question of what "any person" means was decided most clearly in
PLYLER v. DOE, 457 U.S. 202, back in 1982:
"... the Fourteenth Amendment's protection extends to anyone, citizen
or stranger, who is subject to the laws of a State, and reaches into
every corner of a State's territory."
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984500 ] |
Tue, 02 May 2006 17:20 |
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Bill O wrote:
> The Dutch just implemented strict imigration rules, if you don't speak
> Dutch, andcan't accept or reconcile their liberal culure then you can't
> become a citizen.
They also inform aspiring citizens that nudity is acceptable and if you
don't like it, go home.
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984501 ] |
Tue, 02 May 2006 17:27 |
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Bob Johnson wrote:
> Not to mention, they re-wrote the National Anthem.
"The Star-Spangled Banner" is only one of 84 sets of lyrics that have
been set to the melody of "Anachreon," a venerable drinking song.
http://www.colonialmusic.org/Resource/Anacreon.htm
People have way too much emotional energy invested in these symbols of
primitive tribalism. A song is a song. A flag is no different from a
gang's hand sign; both just say, "These are my homies."
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984504 ] |
Tue, 02 May 2006 18:27 |
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On Tue, 02 May 2006 14:59:03 GMT, Bill O <lionelbill [at] excite.com>
wrote:
>Not much was made of the fact that
>many "islamic" communities in the USA, cheered in the streets when the
>World Trade center buildings were attacked
Bullshit
name one.
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984505 ] |
Tue, 02 May 2006 18:34 |
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On Tue, 02 May 2006 04:08:35 GMT, "Dick" <dicky [at] dickiecues.com> wrote:
> I understand why they want to be here, they're looking for a better way
>of life as everyone wants. However this country can not support every one's
>dream. They say that they are doing jobs that no one else wants but why are
>those jobs unwanted? The reason is that they have drove the wages down so
>far in certain industries that a normal person supporting a family can not
>take those jobs any longer.
I think you have that backwards. If the wages for picking tomatoes
went up to 12.00 an hr you would be bitching about the price of
tomatoes.
>They give examples of unwanted jobs as farm
>hands, the meat industry and construction. Thing is that both the meat
>industry and construction used to be very good paying jobs before the
>illegals came along.
They pay the same today (disregarding inflation) and those industries
have always hired immigrates and the uneducated that had no other
opportunities.
It's no different today other than the type of immigrates.
And besides so jobs SUCK!!
>
> I keep hearing that there is no way to be able to round up 12 to 20
>million illegals and send them back. Thing is they don't have to. Just fine
>all the businesses that are hiring all these illegals for low pay and most
>will go back home.
And then you can watch the price of goods go up up up .
Should make you very happy.
> It's illegal to hire an illegal but since no one does
>anything about it these corporations are getting away with murder.
NO they are getting away with hiring illegal's, no one was killed.
>They pay
>them nothing and then let the state, which is YOU pay their Medical,
>Schooling, Rent subsidies and all the other social benifets. Last week on
>one of the talk shows it was brought up that they don't pay taxes and the
>Spanish fellow who was defending the illegals said that they pay sales tax
>on what they spend and we should be happy with that. There does not need to
>be a great round-up but as illegals are caught send them back instead of
>just releasing them.
pssst they do.
>
> This of coarse will never happen though as the big money corporations
>want them here and congress sure isn't going to bite the hand that feeds
>them.
And you are going to pay higher prices for your fruits and veggies,
meat or clothes.
>
> I think all illegals should be sent back and all the politicians right
>behind them.
OH yeah that's real smart.
>
> Dick
>
>"Bob Johnson" <bobj [at] cris.com> wrote in message
>news:e36dfv$ajp [at] dispatch.concentric.net...
>> Not to mention, they re-wrote the National Anthem.
>> --
>> Bob Johnson, Denver/Thornton, Co.
>> bobj [at] cris.com
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>> "Will-Lee-Cue" <n5wrx [at] stx.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:12y5g.11212$eI4.7791 [at] tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>> More correctly they are "outlaws" that is they operate outside the law.
>>>
>>> What rights do outlaws have to control our country or demand changes?
>>> Is it not enough they suck up billions in free medical services each
>>> year, make billions of tax free money, and pay nothing for the free
>>> social services they demand as rights?
>>>
>>> To sneak into a country trying to get a job and make some money is one
>>> thing, waving a Mexican flag, boycotting gringo goods and services, and
>>> demanding rights they are not entitled to is quite another and I am
>>> afraid this is going to backfire on them big time. People who did not
>>> care one way or another about it are now mad as hell.
>>>
>>> Willee
>>>
>>>
>>> <ninebal310 [at] aol.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1146527448.036267.295190 [at] j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>> What is so hard to understand about the word "Illegal"?
>>>>
>>>> If they are illegal, they are criminals.
>>>>
>>>> Hank <~~~no gray areas
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984506 ] |
Tue, 02 May 2006 18:45 |
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Dick wrote:
> I understand why they want to be here, they're looking for a better way
> of life as everyone wants. However this country can not support every one's
> dream.
Well, it sure isn't supporting the dreams of illegal immigrants.
They're building their own dreams one hard-won nickel at a time.
No State has been more impacted by illegal immigrants than California.
But California is doing better at supporting dreams than any other
state. Please go read the recent report, "The Impact of Immigration on
the California Economy:"
http://www.ccsce.com
The 2005 Economic Report of the President has some interesting tidbits
about illegal immigrants:
http://tinyurl.com/gosx6
- Despite higher poverty rates, immigrants are more likely to
participate in the workforce than natives, with 78 percent of male
immigrants with less than a high school education
participating in the labor force compared to 47 percent of their native
counterparts. Among undocumented male immigrants, 96 percent are
estimated to participate in the labor force.
- More than half of undocumented immigrants are believed to be working
``on the books,'' so they contribute to the tax rolls but are
ineligible for almost all Federal public assistance programs and most
major joint Federal-state programs. Over time, however, if low-income
immigrants attain legal status, they may become eligible for more
welfare programs.
(In other words, Dick, legal immigration costs taxpayers more than
illegal immigration.)
> They say that they are doing jobs that no one else wants but why are
> those jobs unwanted?
Because walking while bent over to the ground for 10 hours, planting
onions every six inches, is beyond the physical fitness of most
Americans.
> Thing is that both the meat
> industry and construction used to be very good paying jobs before the
> illegals came along.
> I keep hearing that there is no way to be able to round up 12 to 20
> million illegals and send them back. Thing is they don't have to. Just fine
> all the businesses that are hiring all these illegals for low pay and most
> will go back home.
And then, steak will cost $20/lb. and a house another $100,000. A
Denver contractor was recently in the papers. He swears he hires only
documented workers. Says his competitors who don't routinely underbid
him by 20 per cent. You want to pay 20 per cent more for your next
house?
> They pay them nothing and then let the state, which is YOU pay their Medical,
> Schooling, Rent subsidies and all the other social benifets.
Dick, this system results in a net financial savings to taxpayers. If
your gardener needs $100 to pay for his family's health care, rent,
food, etc., then he would have to charge you about $120 if he paid
taxes on his income. Instead, you pay just $100 in taxes for the things
he needs. And the majority of school budgets come from local property
taxes, which are included in your gardener's rent.
> Last week on one of the talk shows it was brought up that they don't pay taxes
The President's report cited above says more than half of illegals DO
pay income taxes. Furthermore, while millions of Mexicans (to focus on
just half of all illegal immigrants) pay into Social Security, the SSA
says that only about 37,000 non-citizen Mexicans recieved SS benefits
in 2002. According to the President's report,
"The SSA cannot identify undocumented workers, but keeps track of the
earnings of all workers who have mismatched or invalid Social Security
numbers in the so-called Earnings Suspense File (ESF). The ESF was
valued at $463 billion in 2002."
So illegal immigrants have left nearly half a trillion bucks on the
table here. Of course, the Treasury has borrowed that money and spent
it on other things, and no one will ever step forward to collect the
debt plus interest.
The cheap labor of illegal immigrants enables the higher incomes of
citizens and naturalized immigrants further up the food chain. No
onions planted, no grocery store produce buyers. No cheap hotel
cleaning service, no ski instructors. The President's Council of
Economic Advisers estimates that the labor of illegal immigrants adds
between one billion and ten billion dollars to the incomes of other
American workers.
Don't tell me that illegal immigrants are a drain upon this economy.
David Hakala
The Zen Cueist
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984521 ] |
Tue, 02 May 2006 22:02 |
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I understand why they want to be here, they're looking for a better way
>of life as everyone wants. However this country can not support every one's
>dream. They say that they are doing jobs that no one else wants but why are
>those jobs unwanted? The reason is that they have drove the wages down so
>far in certain industries that a normal person supporting a family can not
>take those jobs any longer.
I think you have that backwards. If the wages for picking tomatoes
went up to 12.00 an hr you would be bitching about the price of
tomatoes.
It was on the one of the news channels last week that 18% of the cost
of fruits and veg. is the cost of farms to grow, pick and make a profit. The
other 82% is for shipping, processing, the middleman profits and the
retailers profits. They that 7% of costs were for farm labor. It was also
said that if these farm laborers pay was doubled it would cost the consumer
approx. 10.00 a year. So much for that argument.
They give examples of unwanted jobs as farm
>hands, the meat industry and construction. Thing is that both the meat
>industry and construction used to be very good paying jobs before the
>illegals came along.
They pay the same today (disregarding inflation) and those industries
have always hired immigrates and the uneducated that had no other
opportunities.
It's no different today other than the type of immigrates.
And besides so jobs SUCK!!
I worked in a meat packing plant from 1970 until 1985. In 1979 I was
making 11.51 an hour with many benefits. There was a strike an lockout in
1982 that broke the union. Right now, almost 25 years later the plant is
100% Mexican and they are paid 7.50 an hour.
I know many people in construction who used to make good money and now
must work for nothing. They tell me the only good work to get is to go back
after the wetbacks have left and make all the repairs. I have one boy who
does interior trim and says he can't get any cabinets or most trim to fit or
look right because the house is so out of plumb. He says he would not pay
more than half the asking price of any house built in the last 10 years.
I have another boy who owns a brick laying company and he says the amount
he can get per thousand brick laid just keeps dropping. He says he is almost
doing nothing but custom homes now. He says the General contractors are just
going by price and getting foreign crews who do horrible work and when the
home buyer complains they tell them that that is the way it's supposed to
look, nothing even and dried cement all over the exterior of the brick.
>They pay
>them nothing and then let the state, which is YOU pay their Medical,
>Schooling, Rent subsidies and all the other social benefits. Last week on
>one of the talk shows it was brought up that they don't pay taxes and the
>Spanish fellow who was defending the illegals said that they pay sales tax
>on what they spend and we should be happy with that. There does not need to
>be a great round-up but as illegals are caught send them back instead of
>just releasing them.
pssst they do.
Pssssst they don't. This present administration has denied any money
and doing all in their power to keep them here. I read in the papers almost
daily that illegals are being arrested by local police and the immigration
service will not pick them up or if they do they just release them with a
court date that of coarse they don't show up for.
This of coarse will never happen though as the big money corporations
>want them here and congress sure isn't going to bite the hand that feeds
>them.
And you are going to pay higher prices for your fruits and veggies,
meat or clothes.
This issue has already been addressed. Read above.
> I think all illegals should be sent back and all the politicians right
>behind them.
OH yeah that's real smart
Yes, I believe that would be smart. I've got nothing against aliens
coming into this country, becoming citizens and bettering their lives.
That's how we all got here. The Irish, the Italians Greeks Spaniards and
many other nationalities have immigrated to this country, had to start on
the bottom and work their way up the food chain. These people came in
legally and did what was needed to attain their citizenship and status in
this country. A quota was set for each country that only allowed enough
immigrations that this country could absorb. Now we are being invaded by
millions, none of whom have waited in line as all others before them, just
because there is a common, unsecured border. These people are called ILLEGAL
ALIENS and I don't want any, not a single one, in my country. The
politicians are saying if they learn English and pay back taxes then they no
longer would be ILLEGAL but I don't agree with this at all. If there are 12
to 20 million of them here then that means that 12 to 20 million of other
people who have done what was required of them to immigrate here have been
standing in line and will have to stand in line that much longer because
these ILLEGAL people jumped in front of them. These people are nothing but
cheats and law breakers and the politicians who stick up for them are no
better.
Dick
<me [at] home.net> wrote in message
news:qe2f5292uckf9949is1bmve0h05qi2rvju [at] 4ax.com...
> On Tue, 02 May 2006 04:08:35 GMT, "Dick" <dicky [at] dickiecues.com> wrote:
>
>> I understand why they want to be here, they're looking for a better
>> way
>>of life as everyone wants. However this country can not support every
>>one's
>>dream. They say that they are doing jobs that no one else wants but why
>>are
>>those jobs unwanted? The reason is that they have drove the wages down so
>>far in certain industries that a normal person supporting a family can not
>>take those jobs any longer.
> I think you have that backwards. If the wages for picking tomatoes
> went up to 12.00 an hr you would be bitching about the price of
> tomatoes.
>
>
>
>>They give examples of unwanted jobs as farm
>>hands, the meat industry and construction. Thing is that both the meat
>>industry and construction used to be very good paying jobs before the
>>illegals came along.
>
> They pay the same today (disregarding inflation) and those industries
> have always hired immigrates and the uneducated that had no other
> opportunities.
>
> It's no different today other than the type of immigrates.
>
> And besides so jobs SUCK!!
>>
>> I keep hearing that there is no way to be able to round up 12 to 20
>>million illegals and send them back. Thing is they don't have to. Just
>>fine
>>all the businesses that are hiring all these illegals for low pay and most
>>will go back home.
> And then you can watch the price of goods go up up up .
> Should make you very happy.
>
>> It's illegal to hire an illegal but since no one does
>>anything about it these corporations are getting away with murder.
>
> NO they are getting away with hiring illegal's, no one was killed.
>
>>They pay
>>them nothing and then let the state, which is YOU pay their Medical,
>>Schooling, Rent subsidies and all the other social benifets. Last week on
>>one of the talk shows it was brought up that they don't pay taxes and the
>>Spanish fellow who was defending the illegals said that they pay sales tax
>>on what they spend and we should be happy with that. There does not need
>>to
>>be a great round-up but as illegals are caught send them back instead of
>>just releasing them.
>
> pssst they do.
>>
>> This of coarse will never happen though as the big money
>> corporations
>>want them here and congress sure isn't going to bite the hand that feeds
>>them.
> And you are going to pay higher prices for your fruits and veggies,
> meat or clothes.
>
>>
>> I think all illegals should be sent back and all the politicians
>> right
>>behind them.
>
> OH yeah that's real smart.
>>
>> Dick
>>
>>"Bob Johnson" <bobj [at] cris.com> wrote in message
>>news:e36dfv$ajp [at] dispatch.concentric.net...
>>> Not to mention, they re-wrote the National Anthem.
>>> --
>>> Bob Johnson, Denver/Thornton, Co.
>>> bobj [at] cris.com
>>>
>>> "Will-Lee-Cue" <n5wrx [at] stx.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:12y5g.11212$eI4.7791 [at] tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>>> More correctly they are "outlaws" that is they operate outside the law.
>>>>
>>>> What rights do outlaws have to control our country or demand changes?
>>>> Is it not enough they suck up billions in free medical services each
>>>> year, make billions of tax free money, and pay nothing for the free
>>>> social services they demand as rights?
>>>>
>>>> To sneak into a country trying to get a job and make some money is one
>>>> thing, waving a Mexican flag, boycotting gringo goods and services,
>>>> and
>>>> demanding rights they are not entitled to is quite another and I am
>>>> afraid this is going to backfire on them big time. People who did not
>>>> care one way or another about it are now mad as hell.
>>>>
>>>> Willee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <ninebal310 [at] aol.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1146527448.036267.295190 [at] j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> What is so hard to understand about the word "Illegal"?
>>>>>
>>>>> If they are illegal, they are criminals.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hank <~~~no gray areas
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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A few years back I wrote about the need to end bilingual education on the
grounds that it produces people who are not skilled in either language. I
stated that bilingualism would lead to a growing balkanization of our
society rather than serve as a unifying agent. I further went on to say that
border controls needed to be beefed up. I remember quite a few people got
their panties all in a twist about my statements, some even accused me of
being anti-Spanish speakers, and anti-immigrant (never mind that I am an
American of Cuban descent who came here as a political refugee).
My, my,.. how times change. all of a sudden it's de rigeur to state such
views.
I do not support mass deportation, nor do I support criminalizing
undocumented aliens. I believe that those who are here, and have not
committed any real crime, should be provided a means to achieve legal status
over a set time frame provided that they do not engage in criminal activity.
I believe our leaders should do this not because of any demands, or any
false claims of entitlemant entitlement to such, but rather out of the
kindness and compassion which ought to be the hallmark of our great nation.
OTOH, any undocumented alien with a criminal history should be immediately
deported. At the same time, real and effective measures should be taken to
secure our borders to stop any further mass undocumented alien migration.
I do agree with the view that a lot of the current hysteria has been stoked
by elements seeking to distract an attention span limited populace from far
more serious concerns. By stoking hatred of a selected segment people can be
lulled into giving up more rights and freedoms. This is a strategy straight
out of the fascist playbook.
BTW- I detest the terms "Hispanic" and "Latino" A fellow American of Cuban
descent wrote this on his blog and I agree with it:
"First, there is no such thing as a "latino" race. There is no such thing as
an "hispanic" race. Both terms are contrived and used solely for census
purposes. There is no such country as "Latinolandia" and Hispaniola is
technically half of an island in the Caribbean.
I am Cuban by birth, American by the grace of God. And a darned proud,
dignified, thankful and respectful American."
I leave you with this quote from Teddy Roosevelt:
"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here
in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be
treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to
discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or
origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an
American, and nothing but an American.
There can be no divided allegiance here.
Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an
American at all.
We have room for but one flag, the American flag.
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language.
And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people."
Theodore Roosevelt, 1907
Jerry R.
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"sittingduck" <you.love.sitting-duck [at] spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B7ACD1942CBduckrulestheuniverse [at] news.easynews.com...
> Jerry R wrote:
>
>> A few years back I wrote about the need to end bilingual education on
>> the grounds that it produces people who are not skilled in either
>> language. I stated that bilingualism would lead to a growing
>> balkanization of our society rather than serve as a unifying agent. I
>> further went on to say that border controls needed to be beefed up. I
>> remember quite a few people got their panties all in a twist about my
>> statements, some even accused me of being anti-Spanish speakers, and
>> anti-immigrant (never mind that I am an American of Cuban descent who
>> came here as a political refugee).
>>
>> My, my,.. how times change. all of a sudden it's de rigeur to state such
>> views.
>
> So often people want to take the easy, quick way to solve problems. Why
> can't
> we look deeper and find the root of the problem and fix it from there? How
> can anyone think making the illegals into felons will help anything? How
> much
> good has the "war on drugs" done? Does anyone think we need a "war on
> immigrants"? That would be a bigger farce than the "war on drugs".
I agree with you. IMO, the whole thing is a sham to divert attention from
more pressing concerns (at the top of which should be the fact that we are
being led to yet another war). Only thing is.. this next war (Iran) is a
trap that has been set for us, and it has the very real potential to cause
WWIII.
I am disgusted by the fact that politicians of all stripes have jumped on
the anti-immigrant bandwagon.
When immigrants came here via Ellis Island, all they had to do was book
passage to the US and pass the health tests once they got to Ellis Island.
The vast majority of those immigrants then were here for economic reasons
(same as today).
It saddens me when I hear or read of immigrants referred to on various blogs
as "vermin", "greasers", "scum", and "subhuman", by descendants of
immigrants. This is what the Nazis would do to Jews, to Gypsies, to Gays, to
the handicapped. Once they had dehumanized them anything could be done to
them, up to and including, mass murder.
I really hope not, but I believe that we are heading towards a fascist
future right here in America.
"Be kind to strangers, for ye were once strangers in the land of Egypt." --
Deutoronomy
Jerry R.
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984539 ] |
Wed, 03 May 2006 07:27 |
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In article <MPG.1ec12f8cb574afe989be0 [at] news.chi.sbcglobal.net>,
John Black <jblack [at] texas.net> wrote:
> Actually what he said was that the national anthem should be sung in
> English when asked about the Spanish version.
Jose can you see?... :-)
There are several reports now that when Bush was campaigning for
President in 2000 and 2004, he would attend rallies in Hispanic
neighborhoods, give some of his speech in Spanish, and sing the
National Anthem in Spanish along with everyone else. If this is
true, I wonder if anyone, anyone at all in the country, is surprised
by his two-faced hypocrisy.
$.02 -Ron Shepard <--still thinks he is a doofus :-)
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984540 ] |
Wed, 03 May 2006 07:27 |
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Jerry R wrote:
> BTW- I detest the terms "Hispanic" and "Latino" A fellow American of Cuban
> descent wrote this on his blog and I agree with it:
>
> "First, there is no such thing as a "latino" race. There is no such thing as
> an "hispanic" race. Both terms are contrived and used solely for census
> purposes. There is no such country as "Latinolandia" and Hispaniola is
> technically half of an island in the Caribbean.
>
If I can nit-pick a little, Hispaniola is technically a whole island in
the Caribbean, with Haiti in the west and the Dominican Republic in the
east. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispaniola, but I imagine your
friend knows that.
Cheers,
Dean
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Wed, 03 May 2006 08:05 |
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"Bob Johnson" <bobj [at] cris.com> wrote in message
news:e36dfv$ajp [at] dispatch.concentric.net...
> Not to mention, they re-wrote the National Anthem.
> --
> Bob Johnson, Denver/Thornton, Co.
> bobj [at] cris.com
Sorry Bob but "they" did not rewrite the national anthem. The man behind
that is one Adam Kidron a British citizen, and president of UBO (Urban Box
Office) Records.
"We chose to re-record 'The Star-Spangled Banner' to show our solidarity
with the undocumented immigrants and their quest for basic civil rights,"
UBO President Adam Kidron said in a news release.
The so called stars on this recording are Gloria Trevi (who served time in a
Mexican prison for child molestation) and whose career has been on the rocks
ever since, plus a bunch of third rate, unknowns starved for publicity such
as Ivy Queen, Tito El Bambino, Voz a Voz, Frank Reyes and Kalimba.
The whole thing was concocted by Kidron to draw publicity to his struggling
recording company and its small stable of third rate latin "stars".
Every Latin-American immigrant I have spoken to has told me that they
consider the recording disrespectful, and in poor taste. I'm sure that if I
try hard enough I could find some immigrants who think it's OK, but those
are a small minority. There are probably more (percentage wise) non latin
Americans who think it's OK.
Jerry R.
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984543 ] |
Wed, 03 May 2006 08:09 |
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Jerry R wrote:
> "Be kind to strangers, for ye were once strangers in the land of Egypt." --
> Deutoronomy
Come to think of it, Mary & Joseph smuggled Jesus across the border
into Egypt.
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984547 ] |
Wed, 03 May 2006 14:07 |
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On May 2 2006 5:57 PM, Jerry R wrote:
> ....
> And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
> American people."
>
> Theodore Roosevelt, 1907
>
> Jerry R.
Outstanding Jerry, good to see you posting here again. There is life for
RSB. Literally 10 minutes before I saw your post I had just read your PR
thread on AZB and was thinking "Jerry should post on RSB again." I must be
psychic or at least psycho.
The TR quote was a perfect summation of my thoughts. I especially like the
above line where he could have said "loyalty to the American nation.", but
choose to say "loyalty to the American PEOPLE". The subtle difference
between those two phrases speaks volumes.
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984548 ] |
Wed, 03 May 2006 14:00 |
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On May 3 2006 2:27 AM, Ron Shepard wrote:
> ... I wonder if anyone, anyone at all in the country, is surprised
> by his two-faced hypocrisy.
>
> $.02 -Ron Shepard <--still thinks he is a doofus :-)
I am never, ever surprised by ANY politicians hypocrisy. As a matter of
fact I expect it. George Bush is no exception, he is a politician, as are
all the rest of the bums. Sometimes I wonder if they just no longer can
even recognize "truth" after a certain time playing the political games.
As Will Rogers said (referring to Democrats and Republicans) "there's not
a dime's worth of difference between them".
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984549 ] |
Wed, 03 May 2006 14:13 |
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On May 2 2006 5:02 PM, Dick wrote:
> ... These people are called ILLEGAL
> ALIENS and I don't want any, not a single one, in my country...
>
>
Tap-tap-tap. Nor do I Dick, nor do I.
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984553 ] |
Wed, 03 May 2006 14:50 |
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"Jerry R" <JRave [at] optonspamsucksline.net> wrote
>
> I am disgusted by the fact that politicians of all stripes have jumped on
> the anti-immigrant bandwagon.
Stay on focus, Jerry.
The issue is ILLEGAL immigration.
Not immigration in general.
Until we punish the people that ARE Americans and are willingly breaking the
labor laws by hiring illegals we cant really blame the worker for wanting to
do some honest work to better his life.
They should set sting operations just like they do for drugs.
Watch who picks up the illegal workers, stop and fine them $10,000. per
undocumented worker.
Impound their vehicle and property until the fine is paid.
If they would enforce our existing labor laws that would be enough.
As far as the illegal protestors and flag wavers go ... what are they doing
here?
Why don't they march down to Mexico and demand changes in THEIR country.
They should go home and make THEIR country better.
Don't come here and disrespect OUR laws, spit on OUR launague, shit on OUR
land, and badmouth OUR Nation.
Jerry, you sound like a good American.
You came here willing to abide by the laws of our land and become an
American.
I suspect that renouncing your Cuban citizenship and pledging allegiance to
America was not an easy decision for you to make.
You probably have a greater appreciation of the freedoms here than most
native born citizens
God bless you.
It is Americans like you that made this country great.
You are welcome and entitled to everything America has to offer to you as
one of its citizens.
Willee
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984554 ] |
Wed, 03 May 2006 14:50 |
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But that was then and this was now.
Besides you cant prove that <grin>
Willee
"Dhakala" <NoPoliticalCalls [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1146636547.663149.204420 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Jerry R wrote:
>
>> "Be kind to strangers, for ye were once strangers in the land of
>> gypt." --
>> Deutoronomy
>
> Come to think of it, Mary & Joseph smuggled Jesus across the border
> into Egypt.
>
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984555 ] |
Wed, 03 May 2006 14:50 |
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Ya know, Ron.
I WAS a die hard Bush supporter.
His actions over his term have softened my heart and tarnished his image.
I got fooled again!
Hell, I am so disappointed at Bush and his Washington cronies I am ready to
give the Clintons another term in office.
Willee
"Ron Shepard" <ron-shepard [at] NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ron-shepard-981EB6.00272203052006 [at] comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <MPG.1ec12f8cb574afe989be0 [at] news.chi.sbcglobal.net>,
> John Black <jblack [at] texas.net> wrote:
>
>> Actually what he said was that the national anthem should be sung in
>> English when asked about the Spanish version.
>
> Jose can you see?... :-)
>
> There are several reports now that when Bush was campaigning for
> President in 2000 and 2004, he would attend rallies in Hispanic
> neighborhoods, give some of his speech in Spanish, and sing the
> National Anthem in Spanish along with everyone else. If this is
> true, I wonder if anyone, anyone at all in the country, is surprised
> by his two-faced hypocrisy.
>
> $.02 -Ron Shepard <--still thinks he is a doofus :-)
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #984556 ] |
Wed, 03 May 2006 14:50 |
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Dick, you are 100% on the money with your statments and opinions.
Ever thought about running for public office?
Willee
"Dick" <dicky [at] dickiecues.com> wrote
<snip>
> politicians are saying if they learn English and pay back taxes then they
> no longer would be ILLEGAL but I don't agree with this at all. If there
> are 12 to 20 million of them here then that means that 12 to 20 million of
> other people who have done what was required of them to immigrate here
> have been standing in line and will have to stand in line that much longer
> because these ILLEGAL people jumped in front of them. These people are
> nothing but cheats and law breakers and the politicians who stick up for
> them are no better.
>
> Dick
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Wed, 03 May 2006 16:56 |
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On May 3 2006 11:10 AM, Will-Lee-Cue wrote:
>...
> I got fooled again!
> ...
Willee, I voted for Nixon in his first successful run for President 1967.
After that election I said "I won't get fooled again!" (even before "The
Who" said it) and I haven't voted since. Besides I live in Massachusetts
where one's vote is meaningless, the Democrat will always win (except for
Govenor for some reason which I can't fathom).
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #1003327 ] |
Wed, 03 May 2006 17:19 |
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Will-Lee-Cue wrote:
> Ya know, Ron.
> I WAS a die hard Bush supporter.
> His actions over his term have softened my heart and tarnished his image.
> I got fooled again!
>
> Hell, I am so disappointed at Bush and his Washington cronies I am ready to
> give the Clintons another term in office.
We need a REAL political outsider. Vote for an illegal immigrant. :-)
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #1003328 ] |
Wed, 03 May 2006 17:23 |
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Don't have to prove anything to True Believers, Willee. That's why
they're such easy prey for the GOP.
Will-Lee-Cue wrote:
> But that was then and this was now.
> Besides you cant prove that <grin>
>
> Willee
>
>
> "Dhakala" <NoPoliticalCalls [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1146636547.663149.204420 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Jerry R wrote:
> >
> >> "Be kind to strangers, for ye were once strangers in the land of
> >> gypt." --
> >> Deutoronomy
> >
> > Come to think of it, Mary & Joseph smuggled Jesus across the border
> > into Egypt.
> >
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| Re: OT - McDonalds Flyer ... [message #1003330 ] |
Wed, 03 May 2006 17:32 |
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In article <njimi3xvg3.ln2 [at] recgroups.com>,
"SteveE" <recgroups [at] s-c-ellis.com> wrote:
> As Will Rogers said (referring to Democrats and Republicans) "there's not
> a dime's worth of difference between them".
I don't think that was Will Rogers who said that. George Wallace
maybe, when he was running as an independent for President, and even
that was probably not an original quote. Will Rogers did say that
"I am a member of no organized political party, I am a Democrat."
He also said that when the Okies moved to California during the
depression, they raised the average IQ of both states. I wonder if
that happens in Texas when Bush is in Washington? I'm pretty sure
Texas does go up, and probably by not an insignificant amount, but I
have my doubts about the Washington end of the equation.
$.02 -Ron Shepard
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