| Duke rape victim cries wolf [message #979290] |
Fri, 28 April 2006 14:39 |
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Even the most hardened Duke hater and Carolina fan must be upset over
how the lives of these fine young men have been turned upside down by
this accuser. According to police reports - she has claimed the same
crime 10 years ago. It is all in the records that she accused 3 white
men of beating her - raping her - dragging her to a secluded area - for
an extended period.
This women is hurting the cause of other women that are really raped and
abused. Imagine how one's life can be sent into upheaval - suspended
from college - a coach is "fired" - entire sports season cancelled -
probations are violated - parents are mortified - and thousands of Duke
students and graduates are splashed by the "tar and feathers" of the
media.
Imagine if you were the parent of one of these students - and your son
is on the cover of Newsweek as an "alleged" rapist. You sent your kid to
Duke and now the world sees him marching around in handcuffs - because
he had a couple of drinks at a party and paid a stripper $400 to
entertain.
The president of Duke rushed to judgment - shame on him - all to appease
the lynch mob. The South has not changed in Durham - only the color of
the hands holding the noose.
Harry
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| Re: Duke rape victim cries wolf [message #979291 ] |
Fri, 28 April 2006 15:22 |
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"Harry" <harry [at] everhart.com> wrote in message
news:harry-DC9FFE.08395028042006 [at] comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> Even the most hardened Duke hater and Carolina fan must be upset over
> how the lives of these fine young men have been turned upside down by
> this accuser. According to police reports - she has claimed the same
> crime 10 years ago. It is all in the records that she accused 3 white
> men of beating her - raping her - dragging her to a secluded area - for
> an extended period.
>
> This women is hurting the cause of other women that are really raped and
> abused. Imagine how one's life can be sent into upheaval - suspended
> from college - a coach is "fired" - entire sports season cancelled -
> probations are violated - parents are mortified - and thousands of Duke
> students and graduates are splashed by the "tar and feathers" of the
> media.
>
> Imagine if you were the parent of one of these students - and your son
> is on the cover of Newsweek as an "alleged" rapist. You sent your kid to
> Duke and now the world sees him marching around in handcuffs - because
> he had a couple of drinks at a party and paid a stripper $400 to
> entertain.
>
> The president of Duke rushed to judgment - shame on him - all to appease
> the lynch mob. The South has not changed in Durham - only the color of
> the hands holding the noose.
http://tinyurl.com/r7xgw
Ignorant cracker fuckhead.
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| Re: Duke rape victim cries wolf [message #979292 ] |
Fri, 28 April 2006 15:26 |
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Harry wrote:
> Even the most hardened Duke hater and Carolina fan must be upset over
> how the lives of these fine young men have been turned upside down by
> this accuser. According to police reports - she has claimed the same
> crime 10 years ago. It is all in the records that she accused 3 white
> men of beating her - raping her - dragging her to a secluded area - for
> an extended period.
>
> This women is hurting the cause of other women that are really raped and
> abused. Imagine how one's life can be sent into upheaval - suspended
> from college - a coach is "fired" - entire sports season cancelled -
> probations are violated - parents are mortified - and thousands of Duke
> students and graduates are splashed by the "tar and feathers" of the
> media.
>
> Imagine if you were the parent of one of these students - and your son
> is on the cover of Newsweek as an "alleged" rapist. You sent your kid to
> Duke and now the world sees him marching around in handcuffs - because
> he had a couple of drinks at a party and paid a stripper $400 to
> entertain.
>
> The president of Duke rushed to judgment - shame on him - all to appease
> the lynch mob. The South has not changed in Durham - only the color of
> the hands holding the noose.
>
Jaysus.
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| Re: Duke rape victim cries wolf [message #979295 ] |
Fri, 28 April 2006 16:44 |
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"Pauli G" <rioroad [at] hotmail.com> wrote
>> Even the most hardened Duke hater and Carolina fan must be upset over
>> how the lives of these fine young men have been turned upside down by
>> this accuser. According to police reports - she has claimed the same
>> crime 10 years ago. It is all in the records that she accused 3 white
>> men of beating her - raping her - dragging her to a secluded area - for
>> an extended period.
>>
>> This women is hurting the cause of other women that are really raped and
>> abused. Imagine how one's life can be sent into upheaval - suspended
>> from college - a coach is "fired" - entire sports season cancelled -
>> probations are violated - parents are mortified - and thousands of Duke
>> students and graduates are splashed by the "tar and feathers" of the
>> media.
>>
>> Imagine if you were the parent of one of these students - and your son
>> is on the cover of Newsweek as an "alleged" rapist. You sent your kid to
>> Duke and now the world sees him marching around in handcuffs - because
>> he had a couple of drinks at a party and paid a stripper $400 to
>> entertain.
>>
>> The president of Duke rushed to judgment - shame on him - all to appease
>> the lynch mob. The South has not changed in Durham - only the color of
>> the hands holding the noose.
>
> Jaysus.
Squared. The lacrosse team is a disgusting embarrassment
even if the rape is a total fabrication. If you can't hold
your liquor, don't drink it. Frickin' pussies acting like
tough guys when all it does is bring out the sissy in them.
There's a chance she was raped, and if she was, let them
twist in the wind. The sad part is that lives may be ruined
for the wrong reasons -- a miscarriage of justice is likely
to occur one way or the other. There are no winners in this.
--Tedward
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| Re: Duke rape victim cries wolf [message #979296 ] |
Fri, 28 April 2006 16:48 |
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Actually, although I wonder why this is posted in a BASKETBALL forum, I
couldn't agree more. My anger of the false accuastion of rape and how that
can hurt men who've done nothing wrong--and cheapen the shock & outrage that
should exist when a rape has happened--these things way outdo my dislike for
Duke. Heck, as much as I dislike Wake Forest, this would easily trump that
also.
There has been so much in the way of women using the "rape" accusation as a
weapon for revenge, it's the point anymore I tend to not believe it anytime
I hear it. Between that and the way the laws tend to make it easier to make
such a charge and be free from any scrutiny--things like rape-shield laws
come to mind--I tend to believe the man over the woman anymore.
And yes, let's not forget that besides the tragedy of how a man can find
himself in a hot pickle when he's done nothing wrong, it's just as tragic
also than when there really is a rape, it's now diluted in shock and outrage
because false accuastions by others in the past have tainted the whole
thing. So women who are a victim now can be second-guessed as to whether it
"really happened" or whether they're making a false accusation for the sake
of revenge or collecting a lot of money. Same thing with sexual harassment
(remember Kobe Bryant's accuser, and Andrea Mackris? Quite frankly I tend to
wish both would get hit by a bus for messing up an innocent man's life, even
if temporarily.)
Then again, maybe Ann Coulter said it best--if you don't hire strippers or
take your clothes off for a living, things like this don't have a tendency
to happen as much. Makes a lot of sense to me.
LRH
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| Re: Duke rape victim cries wolf [message #979298 ] |
Fri, 28 April 2006 18:12 |
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:48:24 GMT, "Larry R Harrison Jr"
<larrytxeast [at] gmail.com> wrote:
:Actually, although I wonder why this is posted in a BASKETBALL forum, I
:couldn't agree more. My anger of the false accuastion of rape and how that
:can hurt men who've done nothing wrong-
The real tragedy is how it hurts women who have
been raped. Every false accusation of rape makes the
actual crimes less likely to be reported, and there are far
more unreported rapes than false accusations.
--
/buddha [at] nirvana.net/h:k
George W. Harris For actual email address, replace each 'u' with an 'i'
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| Re: Duke rape victim cries wolf [message #979325 ] |
Fri, 28 April 2006 22:05 |
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- Harry's post snipped because it's not worth pasting -
One of the most disgusting posts I've read on usenet. A woman claims
she is raped and you claim it's hurting other women. Shut up. What
are you going to say Harry? Oh, remember that whore that claimed she
was raped. Well if she lied, this woman must be lying. Shut up.
The fact is that these "parties" have happened before, this group has
acted very questionably in the past, and the coach and University did
nothing to stop it. What about the eMail the player sent to his
teammates (paraphrased) - "After last night's show, let's do it again
but this time kill the bitches and skin them, and do -you know what- on
their dead bodies". Oh those poor boys.
If those kids didn't rape the girl then certainly I want them to go
free. It is very possible that it wasn't a rape. But - in any case -
what is happening, has happened, and probably will happen is very very
bad. Just because those kids could be innocent doesn't mean the
situation was "good, clean fun". For you to claim that this
situation is like whites being lynched is so bad, so disgraceful, I
don't even know what to write. You're one of the worst kinds of
racists, Harry, a racist that doesn't know he's a racist.
Jama
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| Re: Duke rape victim cries wolf [message #979328 ] |
Fri, 28 April 2006 22:28 |
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"Jama" <mrjama [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:1146254734.515788.301020 [at] e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
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> - Harry's post snipped because it's not worth pasting -
>
> One of the most disgusting posts I've read on usenet. A woman claims
> she is raped and you claim it's hurting other women. Shut up. What
> are you going to say Harry? Oh, remember that whore that claimed she
> was raped. Well if she lied, this woman must be lying. Shut up.
>
> The fact is that these "parties" have happened before, this group has
> acted very questionably in the past, and the coach and University did
> nothing to stop it. What about the eMail the player sent to his
> teammates (paraphrased) - "After last night's show, let's do it again
> but this time kill the bitches and skin them, and do -you know what- on
> their dead bodies". Oh those poor boys.
>
> If those kids didn't rape the girl then certainly I want them to go
> free. It is very possible that it wasn't a rape. But - in any case -
> what is happening, has happened, and probably will happen is very very
> bad. Just because those kids could be innocent doesn't mean the
> situation was "good, clean fun". For you to claim that this
> situation is like whites being lynched is so bad, so disgraceful, I
> don't even know what to write. You're one of the worst kinds of
> racists, Harry, a racist that doesn't know he's a racist.
You underestimate how really fucking stupid Harry is: he thinks he's
racially enlightened.
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| Re: Duke rape victim cries wolf [message #979333 ] |
Fri, 28 April 2006 23:49 |
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well said, jama...it's very easy to understand harry douchebag's support
of such an elitist, racist program...the sense of entitlement that he
honestly thinks he has oozes right through the text
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| Re: Duke rape victim cries wolf [message #979334 ] |
Fri, 28 April 2006 23:58 |
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"Jama" <mrjama [at] aol.com> wrote
> - Harry's post snipped because it's not worth pasting -
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> One of the most disgusting posts I've read on usenet. A woman claims
> she is raped and you claim it's hurting other women.
Most of your critique is spot on, but I think you misread
him on this one. He said "hurting the cause of other women
that are really raped and abused". To the extent that a
false claim of rape might A) discourage other women from
reporting it, or B) make it easier for rapists to beat the
rap, or C) cast doubt that real victims really are victims,
he has a point.
> What
> are you going to say Harry? Oh, remember that whore that claimed she
> was raped. Well if she lied, this woman must be lying. Shut up.
I think Harry would agree it is too bad some people might
think that way because of these allegedly false claims.
I think the real rap on Harry is his rush to judgment over
the woman and then bemoaning the rush to judgment over the
boys -- and all the while ignoring what they admit to doing.
Harry, if they had just been drinking and watching a stripper,
I have no problem with that. Hell, invite me over. The
racial slurs were inexcusable. The kid who beat up the gay
guy just for being gay? A$$wipe.
I think they should tie up naked those involved and let the
one black player have at 'em with a lacrosse stick. No, I
don't really want that. Well, I want it, but there are issues
with administering justice that way.
--Tedward
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| Re: Duke rape victim cries wolf [message #979335 ] |
Sat, 29 April 2006 00:53 |
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:58:14 -0400, Edward M. Kennedy wrote:
> I think the real rap on Harry is his rush to judgment over
> the woman and then bemoaning the rush to judgment over the
> boys -- and all the while ignoring what they admit to doing.
I don't know why we still need juries when we have Nancy Grace, FoxNews and
Usenet.
--
The Usenet voice of the Kentucky Wildcats!
(Please ignore.)
_Raw Recruits_ and _Undue Process_ for all,
Welcome to college basketball!
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| Re: Duke rape victim cries wolf [message #979336 ] |
Sat, 29 April 2006 01:10 |
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In article <e2u1vd$58s$1 [at] gargoyle.oit.duke.edu>,
"Edward M. Kennedy" <nospam [at] baconburger.com> wrote:
> Most of your critique is spot on, but I think you misread
> him on this one. He said "hurting the cause of other women
> that are really raped and abused". To the extent that a
> false claim of rape might A) discourage other women from
> reporting it, or B) make it easier for rapists to beat the
> rap, or C) cast doubt that real victims really are victims,
> he has a point.
> --Tedward
If - this lady lied about this whole thing - and right now I think that
she did - it is a shame for all the people that were hurt by her false
accusation. If the kid beat up a guy in DC because he was gay - that
would be wrong too. But you do not know the facts - nor do I - and
certainly that "lynch mob" that is pre-judging this whole thing in
Durham - does not care about the facts either.
Don't you find it just a bit unusual that 10 years ago - she just
happened to accuse 3 guys of kidnapping her - taking her to a private
place - beating her - raping her. It is all there in the police records
to read. Then all of a sudden she dropped it.
I do not condone - gay bashing - women bashing - race bashing - poor
people bashing - rich people bashing. I do not condone calling people
racist just because they disagree with my point of view or that their
favorite team happens to wipe my team all over the floor annually.
I do not condone bearing false witness - and I think this lady did that.
Look at the facts -
1. Two times in 10 years she accuses 3 men of raping her.
2. She leaves the party smiling and then passes out drunk.
3. The lady that leaves the party with her has no idea of a
rape/choke/beating/kidnapping.
4. The lady has a rap sheet a mile long.
5. The lady was admitted to the hospital before for mental problems.
6. The lady makes a living stripping - that in itself is not a crime -
but would you condone your daughter going to a "frat house" with 40
drunken men in it to strip for money?
Because of these actions -
1. Kids have been arrested with $400,000 bail.
2. Kids have been put on the cover of Newsweek.
3. A coach is fired to appease a "lynch mob."
4. A season is cancelled.
5. A whole university and their alumni has been drug through the mud -
and every disgruntled "anti-duke" fan has piled on.
6. Folks have tried to drag Coach K into the mess.
6. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton saw fit to fan the racial flames.
7. And every poster on this newsgroup that can't refute the above facts
- have been flinging around the race card.
If these guys raped this girl - and it is proven in court - I hope they
go to jail for a long time. If it is proven that this girl lied - I hope
that justice is meted out on her.
If the whole thing is a fiasco - how do you wipe the slate clean for
these guys and Duke University?
I am not in favor of racist actions - sexist action - anti-gay action -
or any of that - and I state it right here for you to see.
But right now - I think these white guys are being railroaded by a white
carpetbagger DA - running for office in a black majority town - and he
has inflamed this situation to a frenzy. And just as 11,000 black men
have been lynched in the South - by the clan and others - this case has
whipped a town and university into a polarized hate camp.
Deja vu - all over again.
Go to this page and see "rally for justice."
http://everhart.blogspot.com/2006_04_21_everhart_archive.htm l
I am a racist all right. I was raised in a poor lilly white town of coal
miners - the town was so poor - black man would move in and leave in a
week because it was so pathetic. My dad was a coal miner for 25 years
and died of "the black lung." My Mom worked in the sweatshop garment
mills to keep the family going - when the mines went fallow. We ate rice
- cheese - powdered milk - and butter handed out by the national guard
as "surplus." I stuck around and taught the "disadvantaged" there for 33
years. My kids got scholarships to go to Duke and Georgetown because
they got 1500 on the boards and we had absolutely no money. They are the
only folks from our town that ever graduated from those schools.
But I do not judge a man or women by his color - his sexual preferences
- nor his nationality. I judge him by the "golden rule." I treat him
with the dignity and respect that I expect.
And guess what folks - I think this girl is lying. If she is - shame on
her. I could never lie and hurt someone like that. Every time a girl
like this lies - it puts back race and the battle between the sexes - 10
years. Remember Tawana Brawley - how about the girl that accused Kobe
Bryant - how about the won that accused Willie Smith - or how about
impeaching a president for having voluntary sex with another adult.
Meanwhile you can't refute my argument - so you call me names. Join the
"mob mentality" above.
Harry
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| Re: Duke rape victim cries wolf [message #979339 ] |
Sat, 29 April 2006 01:42 |
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harry:
blah
blah
blah
blah
fucking
blah
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no one cared the first 100 times...FOAD, racist
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| Re: Duke rape victim cries wolf [message #979340 ] |
Sat, 29 April 2006 01:56 |
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In article <11132-4452A84D-705 [at] storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net>,
JWitzke [at] webtv.net (John A Witzke) wrote:
> harry:
>
> blah
> blah
> blah
>
> blah
> fucking
> blah
>
> ==================================
>
> no one cared the first 100 times...FOAD, racist
This from Mr. Progressive.
- geoff
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| Re: Duke rape victim cries wolf [message #979397 ] |
Mon, 01 May 2006 00:59 |
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"Harry" <harry [at] everhart.com> wrote
> If - this lady lied about this whole thing - and right now I think that
> she did - it is a shame for all the people that were hurt by her false
> accusation. If the kid beat up a guy in DC because he was gay - that
> would be wrong too. But you do not know the facts - nor do I - and
> certainly that "lynch mob" that is pre-judging this whole thing in
> Durham - does not care about the facts either.
Lynch mob? Did you mean "overzealous DA looking to get re-elected"?
> Don't you find it just a bit unusual that 10 years ago - she just
> happened to accuse 3 guys of kidnapping her - taking her to a private
> place - beating her - raping her. It is all there in the police records
> to read. Then all of a sudden she dropped it.
And she claimed another assault when she was 14. That doesn't mean
she wasn't raped, though I agree it shreds here credibility.
> If the whole thing is a fiasco - how do you wipe the slate clean for
> these guys and Duke University?
You don't. That a bunch of spoiled kids who got into lots of trouble
yelled racial slurs is pretty much impossible to wipe clean. Plus
they cannot hold their liquor, an absolute abomination.
--Tedward
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| Re: Duke rape victim cries wolf [message #979399 ] |
Mon, 01 May 2006 02:18 |
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In article <e33eab$gji$1 [at] gargoyle.oit.duke.edu>,
"Edward M. Kennedy" <nospam [at] baconburger.com> wrote:
> "Harry" <harry [at] everhart.com> wrote
> > If the whole thing is a fiasco - how do you wipe the slate clean for
> > these guys and Duke University?
>
> You don't. That a bunch of spoiled kids who got into lots of trouble
> yelled racial slurs is pretty much impossible to wipe clean. Plus
> they cannot hold their liquor, an absolute abomination.
I think you should offer some sort of training program for the team,
Tedward. "Alcohol 201."
- geoff
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| Re: Duke rape victim cries wolf [message #979400 ] |
Mon, 01 May 2006 02:22 |
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"Geoffrey F. Green" <geoff-usenet2 [at] stuebegreen.com> wrote
>> > If the whole thing is a fiasco - how do you wipe the slate clean for
>> > these guys and Duke University?
>>
>> You don't. That a bunch of spoiled kids who got into lots of trouble
>> yelled racial slurs is pretty much impossible to wipe clean. Plus
>> they cannot hold their liquor, an absolute abomination.
>
> I think you should offer some sort of training program for the team,
> Tedward. "Alcohol 201."
Summer class! It includes 11 AM sprints, and 11 PM spirits.
During finals week: you puke, you fail.
The tough ones are the mean drunks.
--Tedward
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| Re: Duke rape victim cries wolf [message #979401 ] |
Mon, 01 May 2006 02:24 |
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On Mon, 01 May, Geoffrey F. Green wrote:
> I think you should offer some sort of training program for the team,
> Tedward. "Alcohol 201."
I'm guessing he'd be utterly offended if they offered him anything less
than a position teaching graduate level alcoholism.
201? Get real.
--Donnie
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Donnie Barnes http://www.donniebarnes.com 879. V.
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| Re: Duke rape victim cries wolf [message #979454 ] |
Mon, 01 May 2006 17:37 |
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"George W Harris" <gharrus [at] mundsprung.com> wrote in message
news:tjf452tsjt01n96vc1jbchn8ivlnkc22cm [at] 4ax.com...
> The real tragedy is how it hurts women who have
> been raped. Every false accusation of rape makes the
> actual crimes less likely to be reported, and there are far
> more unreported rapes than false accusations.
> --
No doubt it is a tragedy, but it just as much of a tragedy to be falsely
accused, to have your life turned upside down and have problems getting a
job and so forth and living with the noteririty (spelling?) in so many ways
when you did nothing wrong. Anymore, I seriously doubt there are far more
unreported rapes these days, given how rape shield laws and the success of
such liars like Andrea Mackris and Kobe's accuser helps inspire copy-cat
women who make false claims out of greed and revenge.
LRH
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| Re: Duke rape victim cries wolf [message #979458 ] |
Mon, 01 May 2006 18:47 |
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"Donnie Barnes" <djbSPAMSUCKS [at] donniebarnes.com> wrote
>> I think you should offer some sort of training program for the team,
>> Tedward. "Alcohol 201."
>
> I'm guessing he'd be utterly offended if they offered him anything less
> than a position teaching graduate level alcoholism.
>
> 201? Get real.
I teach all the alcohol classes. I'm the entire dept.
Did I mention the time I stole a quart of ether from the
chemistry lab? I got an important lesson in miscibility
and metabolic rate. In hindsight I should have drank a
boatload more of gin and tonics afterwards.
--Tedward
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