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| and that makes three [message #979128] |
Wed, 26 April 2006 03:16 |
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Josh Boone, Rudy Gay, and finally Marcus Williams. You were a joy to
watch on the court kid, but I'll never forgive you for your off-court
stupidity and how it marred what should have been a shining moment of
Calhoun's career (HOF ceremony) and resulted in my school being dragged
through the mud for the entire year, and the possibility that UConn's
reputation is now permanently dirtied.
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979129 ] |
Wed, 26 April 2006 04:55 |
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979130 ] |
Wed, 26 April 2006 07:44 |
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Pauli G wrote:
> I'll never forgive you for your off-court
> stupidity and how it marred what should have been a shining moment of
> Calhoun's career (HOF ceremony) and resulted in my school being dragged
> through the mud for the entire year, and the possibility that UConn's
> reputation is now permanently dirtied.
I think you are being way too hard here. I hate what happened too, but
what UConn is dealing with (considering Price is still in the program)
is peanuts compared to the recent scandals at Duke, Kansas, USC, etc.
I'd rather even deal with this as a UConn fan than have to deal with
the North Carolina issue of hiring Roy Williams, who's leaving a trail
of violations behind.
The so-called "mud" that you are refering to is the fact that a kid
committed a non-violent crime as a first-time offender. It's happened
before and will happen again. You can argue that he should have been
suspended for the whole year rather than just one semester, but that's
about it. Almost no one thinks he should have been expelled.
Nevertheless, looking back on the season, I think UConn would have won
both the BE tournament and the national championship if Price (assuming
he was healthy) was able to play. The lack of quality ball-handling is
what doomed the huskies. So in effect, this laptop thing really cost
UConn a lot.
Jama
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979131 ] |
Wed, 26 April 2006 07:56 |
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Jama wrote:
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> what UConn is dealing with (considering Price is still in the program)
> is peanuts compared to the recent scandals at Duke, [et. al.] . . . .
There has been a recent scandal concerning the Blue Devil
basketball program? I can't seem to find anything about it.
Can you fill me in or, better yet, direct me to the source?
-Johnny (I'm always the last to find out about the juicy
stuff. Ted never tells me anything.)
P.S. Or maybe this was mistakenly posted here and was meant
for rec.sport.LaCrosse.college
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979139 ] |
Wed, 26 April 2006 12:21 |
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In article <1146030255.603184.95930 [at] e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
"Jama" <mrjama [at] aol.com> wrote:
> I think you are being way too hard here. I hate what happened too, but
> what UConn is dealing with (considering Price is still in the program)
> is peanuts compared to the recent scandals at Duke, Kansas, USC, etc.
> I'd rather even deal with this as a UConn fan than have to deal with
> the North Carolina issue of hiring Roy Williams, who's leaving a trail
> of violations behind.
You have got to be kidding Jama - comparing convicted theft of computers
from a dorm - would get jail time anywhere "on the outside" - to Roy
paying players it is silly. It is more serious than Roy Williams paying
players - and in Duke's case - it is not even the basketball team that
is being accused of anything. In Duke - two lacross players are accused
of rape. The facts of the case are not even in place - they seem to be
changing daily. The press love to play it up because - first it is sex -
second it is black and white - third it is rich and poor - and finally
they love knocking someone like Duke of its high pedestal.
What the players at UConn did was bad - but they are students - that
happens. But Calhoun's letting them play after the crime - is
Hugginesque - and that will follow him personally. UConn - Duke - and
UNC will remain 3 of the top 10 basketball program forever. Little
incidents like this do not paint an entire university - it is the action
of a couple kids. Look at Annapolis and West Point - they have had real
education issues - cheating scandals including lots of kids - and they
still are admired schools.
If you are a UConn fan - take pride that so many of your players will be
drafted. Coach K and "player payer Roy" did a really good job after they
were raided by the NBA. Let's see what Calhoun can do.
Harry
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979148 ] |
Wed, 26 April 2006 15:26 |
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On Wed, 26 Apr, Jama wrote:
> I think you are being way too hard here. I hate what happened too, but
> what UConn is dealing with (considering Price is still in the program)
> is peanuts compared to the recent scandals at Duke, Kansas, USC, etc.
> I'd rather even deal with this as a UConn fan than have to deal with
> the North Carolina issue of hiring Roy Williams, who's leaving a trail
> of violations behind.
Hahahaha. Yeah, right. Keep telling yourself that these violations Roy
committed are worse than having a couple players stealing laptops and yet
still getting to play ball that season. Sure, whatever.
And I assume you're talking about the Maggette situation at Duke since
that's the worst "scandal" I can think of with the basketball program. If
so, I rank *that* worse than what Roy did, too. Though not by much and I
could see Duke fans switching the two.
Now, I think Pauli is being a little harsh toward the effect of those two
kids on UConn's reputation and program. But to say what happened isn't as
bad as what Roy did is laughable.
--Donnie
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979150 ] |
Wed, 26 April 2006 16:45 |
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979152 ] |
Wed, 26 April 2006 17:35 |
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"Jama" <mrjama [at] aol.com> wrote
>> I'll never forgive you for your off-court
>> stupidity and how it marred what should have been a shining moment of
>> Calhoun's career (HOF ceremony) and resulted in my school being dragged
>> through the mud for the entire year, and the possibility that UConn's
>> reputation is now permanently dirtied.
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> I think you are being way too hard here. I hate what happened too, but
> what UConn is dealing with (considering Price is still in the program)
> is peanuts compared to the recent scandals at Duke, Kansas, USC, etc.
Thieves are fine upstanding schmucks, just like trolls like you.
--Tedward
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979154 ] |
Wed, 26 April 2006 18:18 |
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"Jama" <mrjama [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:1146030255.603184.95930 [at] e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> Pauli G wrote:
>> I'll never forgive you for your off-court
>> stupidity and how it marred what should have been a shining moment of
>> Calhoun's career (HOF ceremony) and resulted in my school being dragged
>> through the mud for the entire year, and the possibility that UConn's
>> reputation is now permanently dirtied.
>
> I think you are being way too hard here. I hate what happened too, but
> what UConn is dealing with (considering Price is still in the program)
> is peanuts compared to the recent scandals at Duke, Kansas, USC, etc.
> I'd rather even deal with this as a UConn fan than have to deal with
> the North Carolina issue of hiring Roy Williams, who's leaving a trail
> of violations behind.
>
> The so-called "mud" that you are refering to is the fact that a kid
> committed a non-violent crime as a first-time offender. It's happened
> before and will happen again. You can argue that he should have been
> suspended for the whole year rather than just one semester, but that's
> about it. Almost no one thinks he should have been expelled.
>
> Nevertheless, looking back on the season, I think UConn would have won
> both the BE tournament and the national championship if Price (assuming
> he was healthy) was able to play. The lack of quality ball-handling is
> what doomed the huskies. So in effect, this laptop thing really cost
> UConn a lot.
So to recap: some BB players were accomplices to the theft of some laps
tops. But the real victims of the crime are not the people from whom the
laptops were stolen, no, it was the players themselves, who were denied a
national championship they deserved and indeed would have won had the
basketball players who participated in the laptop theft been allowed to play
ball -- well not all of them, one of them was allowed to play, but the
other, non starting point guard one, if he'd been allowed to play. And the
fans, the Uconn nation, they're victims as well. HAVEN'T THEY BEEN PUNISHED
ENOUGH! SOCIETY IS TO BLAME! THINK OF THE CHILDREN! HUGS NOT DRUGS! JUST SAY
NO! BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED! NO BLOOD FOR OIL! NO OIL FOR FOOD! NO SHOES NO
SHIRT NO SERVICE!
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979156 ] |
Wed, 26 April 2006 18:30 |
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On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:45:42 GMT, Ignatius Thistlewhite
<iggy [at] southtown.org> wrote:
:You wrote:
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:> And I assume you're talking about the Maggette situation at Duke since
:> that's the worst "scandal" I can think of with the basketball program.
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:What about K's side job as an employment broker?
What about your main employment as a
puppy-strangling baby rapist?
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/buddha [at] nirvana.net/h:k
George W. Harris For actual email address, replace each 'u' with an 'i'
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979158 ] |
Wed, 26 April 2006 18:32 |
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"George W Harris" <gharrus [at] mundsprung.com> wrote
> :> And I assume you're talking about the Maggette situation at Duke since
> :> that's the worst "scandal" I can think of with the basketball program.
> :
> :What about K's side job as an employment broker?
>
> What about your main employment as a
> puppy-strangling baby rapist?
He stopped "beating his wife", IYKWIM, AITYD, so cut him
some slack. Just enough to hand himself...
--Tedward
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979159 ] |
Wed, 26 April 2006 19:21 |
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979162 ] |
Wed, 26 April 2006 19:41 |
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On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:21:46 GMT, Ignatius Thistlewhite
<iggy [at] southtown.org> wrote:
:You wrote:
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:> On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:45:42 GMT, Ignatius Thistlewhite
:><iggy [at] southtown.org> wrote:
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:>:You wrote:
:>:
:>:> And I assume you're talking about the Maggette situation at Duke since
:>:> that's the worst "scandal" I can think of with the basketball program.
:>:
:>:What about K's side job as an employment broker?
:>
:> What about your main employment as a
:> puppy-strangling baby rapist?
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:What is your explanation for such incoherence?
What, you're the only one that's allowed to be
incoherent?
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/buddha [at] nirvana.net/h:k
George W. Harris For actual email address, replace each 'u' with an 'i'
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979163 ] |
Wed, 26 April 2006 19:32 |
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On Wed, 26 Apr, Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:
> You wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:45:42 GMT, Ignatius Thistlewhite
>><iggy [at] southtown.org> wrote:
>>:You wrote:
>>:
>>:> And I assume you're talking about the Maggette situation at Duke since
>>:> that's the worst "scandal" I can think of with the basketball program.
>>:
>>:What about K's side job as an employment broker?
>>
>> What about your main employment as a
>> puppy-strangling baby rapist?
>
> What is your explanation for such incoherence?
My lucidity is sometimes questionable, but I'm gonna have to say George's
coherence was just fine. His point was well made, too. Your response,
however, was somewhat lacking.
--Donnie
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979202 ] |
Thu, 27 April 2006 09:13 |
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Harry,
Once again your self-delusion and arrogance based upon incorrect
facts is deplorable. For example:
"comparing convicted theft of computers from a dorm"
The players were not convicted. The charges are being dropped because
it was a non-violent crime and both players were first-time offenders.
By the way, the players didn't steal the laptops either, they were
attempting to sell them. The 'so-called scandal' is that Marcus
Williams got to play last year when most people seemed to think he
should have been suspended for the whole year.
I said - as a UConn fan - I would rather be dealing with that situation
than the ones at Kansas and Duke (and now even UNC). Consider:
- UNC and Kansas: Roy Williams, the face of the program, committed
several violations - knowingly - at Kansas and now has to listen to
constant talk of how he left Kansas just when the s--- hit the fan,
leaving them to suffer without him. UConn's issue is with a punk kid
who made a mistake, said he was sorry, and now has left the program.
This will follow UNC, Kansas, and Roy Williams for years. You'd rather
deal with that than what happened at UConn? Actual program violations?
A corrupt coach? You CANNOT be serious.
- Duke: This one simply amazes me. I mean really. Let's look at what
is going on at Duke:
1. Players have been CHARGED with rape. That's different than simply
being accused. An entire sports program has been shut down temporaily
and the coach resigned (fired).
2. Another player - "number 42" - expressed in an eMail that - whatever
happened the night before - was so much fun they should do it again but
his time kill the 'bitches' and skin them, while performing a sexual
act upon the bodies. Nice.
3. Whether a rape occurred or not, the program had a history of
similar-type actvities and the university has ignored it.
4. The events have polarized the community and Duke is becoming known
as a focal point of racism, cultural and economic bias. I actually was
in North Carolina last week and the coverage of this incident and
associated controversy makes the UConn incident a non-event - it's not
even in the same league. It was like round-the-clock coverage.
5. The behavior of the Duke students (lacrosse players) underscores
what some accuse Duke of - complacency and arrogance and a basic
feeling that they are better than everyone else and regular rules don't
apply to them because Daddy can hire a high-priced lawyer and fix
everything. Certainly not a perception to be proud of.
6. The Duke area is now a hotbed of controversy and some are saying a
potential powderkeg of racial violence.
If you are saying that - as a UConn fan and alum - I should be more
disturbed by what happened with a few laptops and two stupid kids than
the above, you are flat out institutionally crazy.
Read the original thread: Pauli - a great UConn fan - bashed the
university. He's entitled to do that and I don't completely disagree.
My point, however, is that considering that the greatest scandal in
UConn athletic history is that the University (arguably) may have let a
kid off a little easy in order to play basketball for one semester is a
gnat compared to the issues now being addressed by the above programs.
As a UConn fan, I am very proud of the program, the University, and
most of the players that come through it. I'm not saying Duke, UNC, or
Kansas fans aren't entitled to the same pride. I'm sayign that - as a
fan of Duke, UNC, or Kansas - if you wouldn't trade what happened at
UConn for what is happening at those programs right now - you're nuts.
Jama
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979203 ] |
Thu, 27 April 2006 09:17 |
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> There has been a recent scandal concerning the Blue Devil basketball program?
If you want to treat the Duke basketball program as an independent
entity that is not associated with the university, like you would a
professional team, then go ahead and ignore my post.
I am a UConn alumnus and care about all athletic programs - as well as
all academic programs and activities. True fans of a college follow all
branches of the athletic program.
Jama
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979204 ] |
Thu, 27 April 2006 09:24 |
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>So to recap: some BB players were accomplices to the theft of some laps
>tops. But the real victims of the crime are not the people from whom the
>laptops were stolen, no, it was the players themselves, who were denied a
>national championship they deserved and indeed would have won had the
>basketball players who participated in the laptop theft been allowed to play
>ball
No, wrong interpretation. At UConn, the general feeling was that Price
got the proper punishment - the same Marcus Williams should have gotten
(perhaps). For example, the program was not affected because Marcus
Williams played anyway. My point is that the punishments did affect
the season afterall.
Jama
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979205 ] |
Thu, 27 April 2006 09:47 |
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Jama wrote:
>>There has been a recent scandal concerning the Blue Devil basketball program?
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> If you want to treat the Duke basketball program as an independent
> entity that is not associated with the university, like you would a
> professional team, then go ahead and ignore my post.
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> I am a UConn alumnus and care about all athletic programs - as well as
> all academic programs and activities. True fans of a college follow all
> branches of the athletic program.
>
> Jama
>
Thank you for the advice and your definition of a true fan.
Of course, I didn't suggest that the Duke basketball
program was a separate entity from the University, although
I would consider it separate from the La Crosse program with
respect to scandals in one program but not in the other, but
I'll file the advice in case it becomes relevant to some
other issue.
As for being a true fan "of a college," I admit only to
being a sports fan of Duke basketball, men's and women's. I
am also an intellectual fan of the Duke University Medical
School; but, since I am not an alumnus, employee, nor
connected in any other way, directly or indirectly, with
Duke, that's about the extent of my interest in Duke
University.
That being said, I submit that I fail to find even so much
as a marginal relevance of the personal activities of
members of the La Crosse team in their recent difficulties
to the Basketball program. I would still like for you to
elucidate your reference to a "recent scandal" in the Duke
"basketball" program that you posted in a college
*basketball* newsgroup.
Thanks.
-Johnny (You won't see my Abby in any scandals.)
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979211 ] |
Thu, 27 April 2006 14:59 |
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> to the Basketball program. I would still like for you to
> elucidate your reference to a "recent scandal" in the Duke
> "basketball" program that you posted in a college
> *basketball* newsgroup.
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> Thanks.
>
> -Johnny (You won't see my Abby in any scandals.)
I think it's pretty clear that Jama was refering to athletic department
scandals in general, considering that he had USC on his list (for the
Reggie Bush issues).
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979212 ] |
Thu, 27 April 2006 15:40 |
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pauli:
(for the Reggie Bush issues)
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<cough> mark sanchez <cough>
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979217 ] |
Thu, 27 April 2006 17:14 |
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"Jama" <mrjama [at] aol.com> wrote
> I am a UConn alumnus and care about all athletic programs -
Good lord, get a drink. How'd the math team do, while you
are at it?
> as well as
> all academic programs and activities. True fans of a college follow all
> branches of the athletic program.
Like I care about swimming or field hockey. You go "follow"
the swim team, dude. Knock yourself out. Post a team review
to rec.sport.college.lame. Do I like reading about a Duke
golfer doing well or something? I guess, but if the article
had never been printed my day could not have been any different.
"True fans"...get real. It's pathetic enough some people's
world revolves around basketball.
--Tedward
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979218 ] |
Thu, 27 April 2006 17:16 |
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"Jama" <mrjama [at] aol.com> wrote
> "comparing convicted theft of computers from a dorm"
>
> The players were not convicted. The charges are being dropped because
> it was a non-violent crime
So we can just call them criminals instead of convicts.
Well, I'm sorry, ExCrim doesn't have the same ring as
ExConn. Suck it up -- Calhoun is the Jimmy V of the
Big East.
--Tedward
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979225 ] |
Thu, 27 April 2006 19:59 |
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Johnny wrote:
> Jama wrote:
> >>There has been a recent scandal concerning the Blue Devil basketball program?
> >
> >
> > If you want to treat the Duke basketball program as an independent
> > entity that is not associated with the university, like you would a
> > professional team, then go ahead and ignore my post.
> >
> > I am a UConn alumnus and care about all athletic programs - as well as
> > all academic programs and activities. True fans of a college follow all
> > branches of the athletic program.
> >
> > Jama
> >
>
> Thank you for the advice and your definition of a true fan.
You are welcome.
> As for being a true fan "of a college," I admit only to
> being a sports fan of Duke basketball, men's and women's.
As I said, then go ahead and ignore the fact that Duke University gave
scholarships to indicted rapists - as far as you are concerned, the
Duke lacrosse program is irrelevant. If you are not a "Duke fan", but
rather a "Duke basketball fan", then congratulations - you win. And
really, I'm fine with that. As for me, I am just as concerned when any
UConn representative - no matter what sport - presents the Univ in a
bad light. But that's just me.
> That being said, I submit that I fail to find even so much
> as a marginal relevance of the personal activities of
> members of the La Crosse team in their recent difficulties
> to the Basketball program.
I already admitted that if you do not see a connection between Duke
sports, then go ahead and ignore this thread. My original point was
that - as a fan of all UConn sports - I'd rather deal with complaints
from UConn haters of one punk kid being let off (arguably) easy than
the issues facing Duke sports overall because of the lacrosse scandal.
In particular, I felt Pauli was being a little harsh when you look at
the entire history of the Calhoun era and all of UConn athletics,
especially when compared to such institutions as Duke, Kansas, UNC, and
so on.
Jama
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979230 ] |
Thu, 27 April 2006 20:20 |
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>> I am a UConn alumnus and care about all athletic programs -
> Good lord, get a drink.
I heard you are the person to talk to about that.
> Like I care about swimming or field hockey.
Well, I do know the field hockey team won a national championship while
I was there and continues to be one of the best in the country. As for
swimming, I do know that some moron designed the pool a yard too short
so that no official NCAA events can take place on campus. I think
that's good enough.
Seriously, the lacrosse program at Duke is not a club - it's funded by
the University and provides full scholarships. And by the way, I was
just in NC near Durham, and this 'scandal' is far far bigger than just
a "lacrosse" issue. The local stations need a logo like the CNN Gulf
War thingie based upon the way they cover it. It's a major deal. For
pete's sake, the latest 'scandal' is that Duke is hypocritical and
racist because Duke lacrosse merchandise is selling at 5x the rate it
normally does in the campus bookstore, yet every other local sports
store (like Dick's) has pulled it. Geez.
Jama
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979235 ] |
Thu, 27 April 2006 21:14 |
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> In particular, I felt Pauli was being a little harsh when you look at
> the entire history of the Calhoun era and all of UConn athletics,
> especially when compared to such institutions as Duke, Kansas, UNC, and
> so on.
Hi Jama,
You know that, overall, I have great respect for coach, it's just in
this case where I feel he should have given the kid the entire year
off. As you know all too well, while we're all Husky fanatics,
there's a split in the fanbase on what they wanted to see happen.
I can't wait for this rebuilding clean-slate season - I think it's
going to be a blast, despite the fact we'll probably pile on a few
losses. It's with these young hungry unproven teams that Calhoun seems
to do his best work. BTW, let me know if you happen to go to any
football games this season so we can tip a few back and have some BBQ
before the game!
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979236 ] |
Thu, 27 April 2006 21:28 |
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"Jama" <mrjama [at] aol.com> wrote
> Seriously, the lacrosse program at Duke is not a club - it's funded by
> the University and provides full scholarships.
And should any of them be admit to it, they won't ever
be playing varsity sports, except maybe "grab the soap".
> And by the way, I was
> just in NC near Durham, and this 'scandal' is far far bigger than just
> a "lacrosse" issue. The local stations need a logo like the CNN Gulf
> War thingie based upon the way they cover it. It's a major deal.
I live here. It's a big news story, sure, like the
Peterson case. It's not that big of a deal anywhere
but the NCCU campus though, other than being good
sensationalist material. The stupid racism angle in
terms of the trial is playing out in typical fashion,
and the DA has done a wonderful job as a circus ringmaster
in order to get re-elected, but most people think the
players in question are innocent and aren't sure whether
or not a rape occured at all.
> For
> pete's sake, the latest 'scandal' is that Duke is hypocritical and
> racist because Duke lacrosse merchandise is selling at 5x the rate it
> normally does in the campus bookstore, yet every other local sports
> store (like Dick's) has pulled it. Geez.
You can think whatever you want. I think ending the
team's season was appropriate, though the allegations
of rape are merely that -- allegations.
The difference between Duke and ExConn is that you can
be damn sure this is going to be cleaned up. Even if
there is no conviction, these guys are in deep shit.
--Tedward
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979253 ] |
Fri, 28 April 2006 00:08 |
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Pauli G wrote:
>>to the Basketball program. I would still like for you to
>>elucidate your reference to a "recent scandal" in the Duke
>>"basketball" program that you posted in a college
>>*basketball* newsgroup.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>-Johnny (You won't see my Abby in any scandals.)
>
>
> I think it's pretty clear that Jama was refering to athletic department
> scandals in general, considering that he had USC on his list (for the
> Reggie Bush issues).
>
I think it's pretty clear that Jama is a careless thinker
who doesn't express himself clearly and with precision and
accuracy. I called him on it and, rather than offering the
simple and obvious explanation you propose, he waffled and
spun to try to cover his mistake instead of honestly
admitting it and moving on to the substance of his point.
This is the mistake politicians make that just get them
deeper in the hole they dug for themselves, forgetting the
old adage that when you are in a hole, stop digging.
-Johnny (Make sense or stfu.)
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979257 ] |
Fri, 28 April 2006 00:18 |
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Jama wrote:
> Johnny wrote:
>
>>Jama wrote:
>>
>>>>There has been a recent scandal concerning the Blue Devil basketball program?
>>>
>>>
>>>If you want to treat the Duke basketball program as an independent
>>>entity that is not associated with the university, like you would a
>>>professional team, then go ahead and ignore my post.
>>>
>>>I am a UConn alumnus and care about all athletic programs - as well as
>>>all academic programs and activities. True fans of a college follow all
>>>branches of the athletic program.
>>>
>>>Jama
>>>
>>
>>Thank you for the advice and your definition of a true fan.
>
>
> You are welcome.
>
>
>>As for being a true fan "of a college," I admit only to
>>being a sports fan of Duke basketball, men's and women's.
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>
> As I said, then go ahead and ignore the fact that Duke University gave
> scholarships to indicted rapists - as far as you are concerned, the
> Duke lacrosse program is irrelevant. If you are not a "Duke fan", but
> rather a "Duke basketball fan", then congratulations - you win. And
> really, I'm fine with that. As for me, I am just as concerned when any
> UConn representative - no matter what sport - presents the Univ in a
> bad light. But that's just me.
>
>
>> That being said, I submit that I fail to find even so much
>>as a marginal relevance of the personal activities of
>>members of the La Crosse team in their recent difficulties
>>to the Basketball program.
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>
> I already admitted that if you do not see a connection between Duke
> sports, then go ahead and ignore this thread. My original point was
> that - as a fan of all UConn sports - I'd rather deal with complaints
> from UConn haters of one punk kid being let off (arguably) easy than
> the issues facing Duke sports overall because of the lacrosse scandal.
> In particular, I felt Pauli was being a little harsh when you look at
> the entire history of the Calhoun era and all of UConn athletics,
> especially when compared to such institutions as Duke, Kansas, UNC, and
> so on.
>
> Jama
>
You are still spinning. See my reply to Pauli in this
thread. Slamming Duke basketball for the misbehavior of the
La Crosse players is careless at best and at worst a
dastardly attempt to get in a shot at Duke in a *basketball*
news group.
-Johnny (Just say, "Oops, my bad," and move on.)
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979274 ] |
Fri, 28 April 2006 03:33 |
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Johnny wrote:
> Pauli G wrote:
> >>to the Basketball program. I would still like for you to
> >>elucidate your reference to a "recent scandal" in the Duke
> >>"basketball" program that you posted in a college
> >>*basketball* newsgroup.
> >>
> >>Thanks.
> >>
> >>-Johnny (You won't see my Abby in any scandals.)
> >
> >
> > I think it's pretty clear that Jama was refering to athletic department
> > scandals in general, considering that he had USC on his list (for the
> > Reggie Bush issues).
> >
>
> I think it's pretty clear that Jama is a careless thinker
> who doesn't express himself clearly and with precision and
> accuracy. I called him on it and, rather than offering the
> simple and obvious explanation you propose, he waffled and
> spun to try to cover his mistake instead of honestly
> admitting it and moving on to the substance of his point.
> This is the mistake politicians make that just get them
> deeper in the hole they dug for themselves, forgetting the
> old adage that when you are in a hole, stop digging.
>
> -Johnny (Make sense or stfu.)
I remember when you first started posting here, so wide-eyed and
friendly. What happened Johnny?
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979278 ] |
Fri, 28 April 2006 05:05 |
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Edward M. Kennedy wrote:
> "Jama" <mrjama [at] aol.com> wrote
>
>
>>>I'll never forgive you for your off-court
>>>stupidity and how it marred what should have been a shining moment of
>>>Calhoun's career (HOF ceremony) and resulted in my school being dragged
>>>through the mud for the entire year, and the possibility that UConn's
>>>reputation is now permanently dirtied.
>>
>>I think you are being way too hard here. I hate what happened too, but
>>what UConn is dealing with (considering Price is still in the program)
>>is peanuts compared to the recent scandals at Duke, Kansas, USC, etc.
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>
> Thieves are fine upstanding schmucks,
Consider it on-the-job training for Prezinet.
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979287 ] |
Fri, 28 April 2006 13:25 |
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"Pauli G" <rioroad [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1146188006.211811.287300 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> I remember when you first started posting here, so wide-eyed and
> friendly. What happened Johnny?
There is no joy in mudville
Mighty JJ has choked out
fundoc (who plonked the mullethead and his stupid ghey* parenthicals about
six months ago because let's face it there's only room in this froup for one
doddering old sycophantic dukefuck in Depends and we already have harry)
* op cit Witzke
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979294 ] |
Fri, 28 April 2006 16:36 |
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"fvndoc" <xxx [at] xxx.net> wrote
>> I remember when you first started posting here, so wide-eyed and
>> friendly. What happened Johnny?
>
> There is no joy in mudville
> Mighty JJ has choked out
*That* is going to be his albatross. It may well cost him
millions. Hoops-wise, you can't trust him when it counts
the mostest.
--Tedward
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979326 ] |
Fri, 28 April 2006 22:20 |
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>You can think whatever you want. I think ending the
>team's season was appropriate, though the allegations
>of rape are merely that -- allegations.
I actually think Duke is responding well to this, by firing the coach
and cancelling the season.
>The difference between Duke and ExConn is that you can
>be damn sure this is going to be cleaned up. Even if
>there is no conviction, these guys are in deep shit.
You've got a decade of cleaning up to do from a community perspective.
The criminal aspect of what happended at UConn is not even on the same
continent as what is being IGNORED in the Duke case.
Remember, we're not talking about one punk kid making a mistake and
perhaps getting off a little easy - which is the 'scandal'.
This party was organized by the lacrosse team at the lacrosse house on
University property, at the lacrosse team's expense.
The act of serving alchohol to minors alone (some of which may have
driven) would have larger legal consequences than what happened at
UConn.
By the way, what was not "cleaned up" at UConn? The trials are
completed, the kids have done their community service, and the charges
have been dropped.
Jama
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979327 ] |
Fri, 28 April 2006 22:27 |
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>You know that, overall, I have great respect for coach, it's just in
>this case where I feel he should have given the kid the entire year
>off. As you know all too well, while we're all Husky fanatics,
>there's a split in the fanbase on what they wanted to see happen.
Right, and many (perhaps even most) feel the same way you do. My point
is that - as UConn fans - we have a lot to be proud of consider where
we've come from. Many things are almost certifiable miracles (7
national championships in hoops, who knows how many BE championships,
div 1 in football), and if the biggest scandal the haters can come up
with is that we let one kid play a semester of hoops when he shouldn't
have, well - that ain't so bad comparitively. I agree it's still bad
and not to be ignored, but I was just listening to 1410 today and they
were hammering USC worse in one hour than UConn got all year (over
Reggie Bush).
>I can't wait for this rebuilding clean-slate season - I think it's
>going to be a blast, despite the fact we'll probably pile on a few
>losses. It's with these young hungry unproven teams that Calhoun seems
>to do his best work. BTW, let me know if you happen to go to any
>football games this season so we can tip a few back and have some BBQ
>before the game!
Will do. In a way I'm glad these three are leaving early too. Let's
start with a clean slate. It will be nice to come out of nowhere
again.
Jama
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979331 ] |
Fri, 28 April 2006 23:07 |
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"Jama" <mrjama [at] aol.com> wrote
> You've got a decade of cleaning up to do from a community perspective.
Right now the only cleaning up was an ongoing problem (off campus
parties). The was not that much actual tension to begin with, and
the woman has since lost virtually all credibility. The sad part
is the next review of stats by the atheletic department would have
revealed the lacrosse team hadn't been properly shaped up.
> By the way, what was not "cleaned up" at UConn? The trials are
> completed, the kids have done their community service, and the charges
> have been dropped.
The tendency of their players to get in fairly serious trouble
while in school. It's not so bad Calhoun sucks, it just comes
with the territory. Valvano did it too, and even though I liked
the guy and NCSU, there's no denying he took risky players.
If I start using "Calhoun" and "Huggins" in the same sentence,
it is time to worry.
In terms of "cleaning up", Calhoun can either keep closer tabs
or recruit higher quality kids. Or it can stay like it is and
you live with the PR issues.
--Tedward
That was your grace sentence
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979337 ] |
Sat, 29 April 2006 01:13 |
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979391 ] |
Sun, 30 April 2006 07:39 |
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>> By the way, what was not "cleaned up" at UConn? The trials are
>> completed, the kids have done their community service, and the charges
>> have been dropped.
>The tendency of their players to get in fairly serious trouble
>while in school.
Incidents, please. Note you have really shot yourself in the foot by
saying "while in school". I'll help you out:
Before Price and Williams and the attempted selling of laptops, Rashad
Anderson was arrested (and charges dropped) in 2002 for pulling a
Holloween America'-Funniest-Home-Videos gag on a girl who apparently
took it the wrong way. Before that, you'll have to go back more than
10 years when John Gwynn and Lyman DePriest shouted something not nice
about the color 'lavender' at a GALA rally. Ray Allen did some minor
thing once over the summer (like borrow a cell phone from an agent or
work too long at his summer job) and Kirk King and Ricky Moore lost
eligibility once for going home to see their families on Christmas
without paying for the tickets, but I don't consider those incident's
'serious trouble'. Perhaps you can enlighten me.
Some kids Calhoun recruits (not even close to as many as you imply)
have been arrested in their youth, but almost all are great kids from
bad situations (like Caron Butler) that blossom once under his
tutelage. You also conveniently fail to mention the great
student-athlete's Calhoun brings in (like Emeka Okafor - that, if he
went to Duke, would have easily gotten better press than Shane
Battier).
Jama
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979394 ] |
Sun, 30 April 2006 13:59 |
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"Jama" <mrjama [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:1146375550.120699.72550 [at] y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Before Price and Williams and the attempted selling of laptops, Rashad
> Anderson was arrested (and charges dropped) in 2002 for pulling a
> Holloween America'-Funniest-Home-Videos gag on a girl who apparently
> took it the wrong way. Before that, you'll have to go back more than
> 10 years when John Gwynn and Lyman DePriest shouted something not nice
> about the color 'lavender' at a GALA rally. Ray Allen did some minor
> thing once over the summer (like borrow a cell phone from an agent or
> work too long at his summer job) and Kirk King and Ricky Moore lost
> eligibility once for going home to see their families on Christmas
> without paying for the tickets, but I don't consider those incident's
> 'serious trouble'. Perhaps you can enlighten me.
Glad to, toady.
El Amin (drugs)
Antonio Kellogg (drugs, assaulting a peace officer)
Clyde Vaughan (solicitation of prostitution) **
M Williams (theft)
AJPrice (theft)
Rashard Anderson (assault)
Ben Gordon (woman beating)
Marcus Cox (drugs)
Doug Wrenn (drugs)
Caron Butler (attempted murder, albeit while in HS in hopes of getting
advanced placement credit at Uconvict.)
U convict: two national championships, ten arrests.
HTH mullethead.
** assistant coach
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979395 ] |
Sun, 30 April 2006 21:38 |
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fvndoc wrote:
> "Jama" <mrjama [at] aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1146375550.120699.72550 [at] y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Before Price and Williams and the attempted selling of laptops, Rashad
> > Anderson was arrested (and charges dropped) in 2002 for pulling a
> > Holloween America'-Funniest-Home-Videos gag on a girl who apparently
> > took it the wrong way. Before that, you'll have to go back more than
> > 10 years when John Gwynn and Lyman DePriest shouted something not nice
> > about the color 'lavender' at a GALA rally. Ray Allen did some minor
> > thing once over the summer (like borrow a cell phone from an agent or
> > work too long at his summer job) and Kirk King and Ricky Moore lost
> > eligibility once for going home to see their families on Christmas
> > without paying for the tickets, but I don't consider those incident's
> > 'serious trouble'. Perhaps you can enlighten me.
>
> Glad to, toady.
>
> El Amin (drugs)
> Antonio Kellogg (drugs, assaulting a peace officer)
> Clyde Vaughan (solicitation of prostitution) **
> M Williams (theft)
> AJPrice (theft)
> Rashard Anderson (assault)
> Ben Gordon (woman beating)
> Marcus Cox (drugs)
> Doug Wrenn (drugs)
> Caron Butler (attempted murder, albeit while in HS in hopes of getting
> advanced placement credit at Uconvict.)
>
> U convict: two national championships, ten arrests.
>
> HTH mullethead.
>
>
> ** assistant coach
might be interesting to point out that Kellogg, Cox, Wrenn and Vaughan
all were dismissed or transfered from the program.
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| Re: and that makes three [message #979468 ] |
Mon, 01 May 2006 21:59 |
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Hmmm....
>El Amin (drugs)
.... Less than four ounces of pot found during a traffic violation.
Community service.
>Antonio Kellogg (drugs, assaulting a peace officer)
.... Kicked off the team (Kudos to Calhoun, esp that he did it the day
before the NCAA Tournament)
>Clyde Vaughan (solicitation of prostitution) **
.... Fired
>M Williams (theft)
.... Community Service
>AJPrice (theft)
.... Community service
>Rashard Anderson (assault)
.... No charges
>Ben Gordon (woman beating)
.... Gave a woman a bloody lip - worst of the bunch
>Marcus Cox (drugs)
.... Kicked off team (I mean transferred)
Doug Wrenn (drugs)
.... Kicked off team (I mean transferred)
>Caron Butler (attempted murder, albeit while in HS in hopes of getting
advanced placement credit at Uconvict.)
.... Does not meet criteria and Calhoun should be commended for what he
did with this kid.
Hardly the program you portray it to be.
Jama
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