| Do you hate being overtaken on your training runs? [message #955589] |
Mo, 10 April 2006 20:02 |
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Im really not a competitive person in any aspects of my life except
when it
comes to my training runs. I really hate being overtaken, even on slow
12
mile endurance runs, if some passes me, i have to retake them.
Sometimes
this can induce an all out race, if the person I've just retaken
suffers
with the same competitive issues as i do. Now i know most of you
probably
don't bat an eyelid when someone overtakes on a training run but I've
achieved some great results when you're locked in a personal duel with
someone - whether they know it or not.
Anyone feel similar?
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| Re: Do you hate being overtaken on your training runs? [message #955590 ] |
Mo, 10 April 2006 20:43 |
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i have shin splints thanks to trying to keep up with a fast group. i
feel quite bad when someone passes me.
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| Re: Do you hate being overtaken on your training runs? [message #955592 ] |
Mo, 10 April 2006 21:27 |
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On 10 Apr 2006 11:02:54 -0700, Jt247101 [at] googlemail.com wrote:
>Im really not a competitive person in any aspects of my life except
>when it
>comes to my training runs. I really hate being overtaken, even on slow
>12
>mile endurance runs, if some passes me, i have to retake them.
>Sometimes
>this can induce an all out race, if the person I've just retaken
>suffers
>with the same competitive issues as i do. Now i know most of you
>probably
>don't bat an eyelid when someone overtakes on a training run but I've
>achieved some great results when you're locked in a personal duel with
>someone - whether they know it or not.
>Anyone feel similar?
I'm 59 and run competitively for that age, at least on a local basis.
My training runs are all done on an improved woods trail. The only
other group that regularly uses that trail on a year round basis is
the local high school cross country team. This is a team that has won
four consecutive class 5A state championships both male and female.
They pass me regularly, both genders. My son (now graduated) was on
that team. I'm not offended at all. I'm proud to get to run with
them for a minute or so.
Additionally, although this is a federal park trail, the High school
CC booster club maintains certain parts of the trail making it a
better run.
Frank
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| Re: Do you hate being overtaken on your training runs? [message #955596 ] |
Mo, 10 April 2006 22:13 |
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This is crazy. If you can't hold your pace when someone passes you
on a training run, you don't know the difference between training
and racing. If you don't know the diffrence between training and
racing, you cannot race effectively.
Are you sure this isn't a troll?
Larry
Jt247101 [at] googlemail.com writes:
: Im really not a competitive person in any aspects of my life except
: when it
: comes to my training runs. I really hate being overtaken, even on slow
: 12
: mile endurance runs, if some passes me, i have to retake them.
: Sometimes
: this can induce an all out race, if the person I've just retaken
: suffers
: with the same competitive issues as i do. Now i know most of you
: probably
: don't bat an eyelid when someone overtakes on a training run but I've
: achieved some great results when you're locked in a personal duel with
: someone - whether they know it or not.
: Anyone feel similar?
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| Re: Do you hate being overtaken on your training runs? [message #955597 ] |
Mo, 10 April 2006 22:19 |
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On 2006-04-10, Jt247101 [at] googlemail.com <Jt247101 [at] googlemail.com> wrote:
> Im really not a competitive person in any aspects of my life except when it
> comes to my training runs. I really hate being overtaken, even on slow 12
> mile endurance runs, if some passes me, i have to retake them.
Learning to resist the urge will help you a lot.
Focus on your training and don't worry so much about what everyone else is
doing. That runner is either someone who you could spank in a race (in which
case, why do you need to prove yourself in your training runs ?) or they really
are faster than you -- maybe you just beat Morceli on his easy recovery run,
in which case, what did you just prove anyway ?
> with the same competitive issues as i do. Now i know most of you
> probably
> don't bat an eyelid
WEll not now. It's something you learn to outgrow.
> when someone overtakes on a training run but I've
> achieved some great results when you're locked in a personal duel with
> someone - whether they know it or not.
You'd achieve even better results if you saved the "dueling" for speed
sessions, instead of allowing it to mess up your recovery runs.
Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
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| Re: Do you hate being overtaken on your training runs? [message #955598 ] |
Mo, 10 April 2006 22:25 |
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Jt247101 [at] googlemail.com wrote in news:1144692174.450438.135090
[at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com:
> Im really not a competitive person in any aspects of my life except
> when it
> comes to my training runs. I really hate being overtaken, even on slow
> 12
> mile endurance runs, if some passes me, i have to retake them.
> Sometimes
> this can induce an all out race, if the person I've just retaken
> suffers
> with the same competitive issues as i do. Now i know most of you
> probably
> don't bat an eyelid when someone overtakes on a training run but I've
> achieved some great results when you're locked in a personal duel with
> someone - whether they know it or not.
> Anyone feel similar?
>
Nope. I outgrew that a long time ago. The local 5Ks and 10Ks are for
racing. Training runs are for me -- to improve my speed, my endurance or
my ability to hold a pace over a long distance for that marathon I'm
thinking about.
But I will admit to paying closer attention to my form when another
runner -- particularly one of the opposite sex -- is approaching.
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| Re: Do you hate being overtaken on your training runs? [message #955603 ] |
Mo, 10 April 2006 22:55 |
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Jt247101 [at] googlemail.com wrote:
> Anyone feel similar?
>
Nope. After exchanging pleasantries, I generally let them get out of my
space so I can go back to what I was doing. One exception was when I was
getting ready for a race (fartleks), and two runners passed me slowly.
After giving them their space, I decided to see how long I could keep
them in sight during the "work" part of fartlek, but did not exceed the
target effort of my run. For perspective, I may see another runner on
the trails a few times a year - rarely headed in same direction.
Dot
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"Success is different things to different people"
-Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
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| Re: Do you hate being overtaken on your training runs? [message #955606 ] |
Mo, 10 April 2006 23:26 |
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It used to bother me when I was passed by someone pushing a baby
stroller, but I've gotten over that. It still bothers me when someone
passes me and they're using a walker.
Eric
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| Re: Do you hate being overtaken on your training runs? [message #955613 ] |
Di, 11 April 2006 02:23 |
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On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:25:36 -0500, Newsdude <lousy [at] connection.com>
wrote:
>Nope. I outgrew that a long time ago.
Too bad you can't say that about bed wetting too. You newsdud.
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| Re: Do you hate being overtaken on your training runs? [message #971042 ] |
Di, 11 April 2006 05:06 |
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This is the same idiotic behavior that gets you 12 fingers per mile when
you're out driving.
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| Re: Do you hate being overtaken on your training runs? [message #971054 ] |
Di, 11 April 2006 12:31 |
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I bet everyone of you has been guilty at one time or another, of
increasing speed when you hear someone gaining on you, either
consciously or unconsciously.
All i do is take it to another level. Its just a healthy bit of
competition and at the end i smile and exchange pleasantries
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| Re: Do you hate being overtaken on your training runs? [message #971055 ] |
Di, 11 April 2006 13:04 |
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On 2006-04-11, Jt247101 [at] googlemail.com <Jt247101 [at] googlemail.com> wrote:
> I bet everyone of you has been guilty at one time or another, of
> increasing speed when you hear someone gaining on you, either
> consciously or unconsciously.
One can't do much about the "unconscious" part. In fact having others around
you run will probably make you run faster (true of almost any task -- company
results in increased performance) Eventually one learns to just tune it out.
Either way, it does make sense to try to moderate/control this instinct instead
of cultivate it.
> All i do is take it to another level.
That is to say, you race during training, and instead of merely being affected by
your competitive instincts, you are a slave to them.
> Its just a healthy bit of competition
Like one of the other posters said, you don't understand the difference between
training and racing. And that's not "healthy".
> and at the end i smile and exchange pleasantries
Yes, because that's what you're supposed to do at the end of a *race*.
Training is not racing.
Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
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| Re: Do you hate being overtaken on your training runs? [message #971062 ] |
Di, 11 April 2006 15:34 |
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I don't know because it's only ever happened to me once! I tend to
train at pretty fast pace - 90% sub-7 minute miles. Ok, I'm not going
to trouble Paula Radcliffe. I just don't like running slowly - in
fact, I almost physically can't do it. Sure, compared to elites I'm
going at a snail's pace - I'm talking about effort. Also, when I do
try I tend to get injured. I find that if I see a runner in the
distance I have to catch and pass them. Again, this doesn't happen
that often. When it does, I simply decide in my head that the focus
for the day has changed from, say, tempo to threshold.
Maybe I should mention that I do 80% of my training on my own, and if I
am with other people I let them set the pace, so if we were ever
overtaken I'd ignore it.
Edward
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| Re: Do you hate being overtaken on your training runs? [message #971063 ] |
Di, 11 April 2006 15:42 |
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A slave to my competitive urges - give me a break. The vast majority of
my training runs are completely solitary affairs.
I wouldn't even go so far as to call it racing - its more of an
endurance test.
Besides, racing, even between two people, should be at least a part of
your training program. if not, you may not be achieving your maximum
potential.
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| Re: Do you hate being overtaken on your training runs? [message #971065 ] |
Di, 11 April 2006 15:53 |
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On 11 Apr 2006 03:31:34 -0700, Jt247101 [at] googlemail.com wrote:
>and at the end i smile and exchange pleasantries
I heard anal sex is also offered up...
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| Re: Do you hate being overtaken on your training runs? [message #971071 ] |
Di, 11 April 2006 17:00 |
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Newsdude wrote:
> Jt247101 [at] googlemail.com wrote in news:1144692174.450438.135090
> [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com:
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> > Im really not a competitive person in any aspects of my life except
> > when it
> > comes to my training runs. I really hate being overtaken, even on slow
> > 12
> > mile endurance runs, if some passes me, i have to retake them.
> > Sometimes
> > this can induce an all out race, if the person I've just retaken
> > suffers
> > with the same competitive issues as i do. Now i know most of you
> > probably
> > don't bat an eyelid when someone overtakes on a training run but I've
> > achieved some great results when you're locked in a personal duel with
> > someone - whether they know it or not.
> > Anyone feel similar?
> >
>
> Nope. I outgrew that a long time ago. The local 5Ks and 10Ks are for
> racing. Training runs are for me -- to improve my speed, my endurance or
> my ability to hold a pace over a long distance for that marathon I'm
> thinking about.
>
> But I will admit to paying closer attention to my form when another
> runner -- particularly one of the opposite sex -- is approaching.
Now there's an honest answer! (as I sheepishly admit the same thing)
There are times to race and times to cruise in low gear. What may help
is designating one run a week as "race day". Specifically go out with
friends and push it. Other runs have other training goals. Learn to
stick to your goals.
Ed
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| Re: Do you hate being overtaken on your training runs? [message #971073 ] |
Di, 11 April 2006 19:24 |
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When I was young, I'd almost always race and often win.
Usually I'd see how hard the guy was breathing. If they
were breathing hard at all, I knew I could take them.
They were probably breathing hard because they were type-As
and felt they had to pass anyone they saw.
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| Re: Do you hate being overtaken on your training runs? [message #971074 ] |
Di, 11 April 2006 19:28 |
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A type of runner I dislike are what I call the "stalkers".
That is someone who settles in a few feet behind you
because they like your pace, or they can spend less
mental effort running because they can copy you when you
avoid hazards. Stalkers make want to run faster when it would
disturb my pace because I feel competitive.
Also I am often in a semi-meditation and someone close by
disturbs that.
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| Re: Do you hate being overtaken on your training runs? [message #971080 ] |
Di, 11 April 2006 23:51 |
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I'll second that.
One of my favorite tactics when I'm on a hard run is to find someone in
front of me who is maybe going a bit slower and see how fast I can run
them down.
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| Re: Do you hate being overtaken on your training runs? [message #971085 ] |
Mi, 12 April 2006 02:28 |
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On 11 Apr 2006 10:28:53 -0700, "rick++" <rick303 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>Also I am often in a semi-meditation
ie:brain dead
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| Re: Do you hate being overtaken on your training runs? [message #971100 ] |
Mi, 12 April 2006 14:27 |
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On 2006-04-11, Jt247101 [at] googlemail.com <Jt247101 [at] googlemail.com> wrote:
> A slave to my competitive urges - give me a break. The vast majority of
> my training runs are completely solitary affairs.
> I wouldn't even go so far as to call it racing - its more of an
> endurance test.
> Besides, racing, even between two people, should be at least a part of
> your training program. if not, you may not be achieving your maximum
> potential.
There's plenty of discussion here about how to achieve your "maximum
potential". While there are differences of opinion on the details, there's
fairly broad agreement on the following points regarding hard and easy training:
(1) distinguish between "hard" training and "easy" training
(2) distinguish between training and racing
(3) do a couple (2-3) of hard sessions each week, and as many easy sessions as
you can do comfortably (could be anywhere between 3 and 10)
(4) race no more than once every two weeks
The ambiguity in "hard sessions" is deliberate -- these could be a number of
different things depending on training goals. For most people, a hard session
would be one of the following: a fartlek run, long run, tempo run, intervals,
or hill work.
In fact I'd recommend a beginner race no less than once a month. Racing
frequently is a good way to get regular feedback on ones progress, so it's very
motivating.
Cheers,
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Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
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