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| Monday Bloody Monday [message #881978] |
Mon, 20 February 2006 15:49 |
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Okay, Ben's happy for me to post the remix of his track on teh froup, but
can't be arsed to do it himself and I don't know how to do it.
If anyone can be bothered, I'll send them the mp3, they can post it and then
you can all have a listen.
Cunts.
--
Joe
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #881979 ] |
Mon, 20 February 2006 16:00 |
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"Joe Horowitz" <my_name [at] youblunder.co.youghey> wrote in
news:lGkKf.30560$YJ4.16483 [at] fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk:
> Okay, Ben's happy for me to post the remix of his track on teh froup,
> but can't be arsed to do it himself and I don't know how to do it.
> If anyone can be bothered, I'll send them the mp3, they can post it
> and then you can all have a listen.
> Cunts.
Mail me at sid at nerte dot net. If the file is larger than 5mb, you can
still mail me at the same, but I won't get it. But I can arrange for
alternate methods of getting the file.
Sid
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #881981 ] |
Mon, 20 February 2006 16:02 |
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"Sid" <sidESSSPAMMMMM [at] MMMMMMAPSSSSEnerte.net> wrote in message
news:45u3t9F884duU1 [at] individual.net...
> Mail me at sid at nerte dot net. If the file is larger than 5mb, you can
> still mail me at the same, but I won't get it. But I can arrange for
> alternate methods of getting the file.
It's a little short of 7mb. Should I send anyway?
--
Joe
Pay it fast it will be great..!!!
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #881982 ] |
Mon, 20 February 2006 16:04 |
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"Joe Horowitz" <my_name [at] youblunder.co.youghey> wrote:
> It's a little short of 7mb. Should I send anyway?
You have mail.
Sid
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #881983 ] |
Mon, 20 February 2006 16:06 |
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"Joe Horowitz" <my_name [at] youblunder.co.youghey> wrote in message
news:fSkKf.30691$YJ4.11740 [at] fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
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> "Sid" <sidESSSPAMMMMM [at] MMMMMMAPSSSSEnerte.net> wrote in message
> news:45u3t9F884duU1 [at] individual.net...
>> Mail me at sid at nerte dot net. If the file is larger than 5mb, you can
>> still mail me at the same, but I won't get it. But I can arrange for
>> alternate methods of getting the file.
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> It's a little short of 7mb. Should I send anyway?
Here now:
www.bennunn.com/bloodymonday.mp3
BTN
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #881988 ] |
Mon, 20 February 2006 16:27 |
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"Sir Benjamin Nunn" <bennunn [at] depro.co.uk> wrote in message
news:45u48iF6gchdU1 [at] individual.net...
> Here now:
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> www.bennunn.com/bloodymonday.mp3
BTN rox!1!one!
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Joe
Pay it fast it will be great..!!!
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882019 ] |
Mon, 20 February 2006 19:14 |
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On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:27:23 GMT, Joe Horowitz presented this to
uk.sport.football:
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> "Sir Benjamin Nunn" <bennunn [at] depro.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:45u48iF6gchdU1 [at] individual.net...
> > Here now:
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> > www.bennunn.com/bloodymonday.mp3
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> BTN rox!1!one!
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As does this bangin tune!!!
You boys ought to be very proud of yourselves.
8.1/9
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rob at rjp dot clara dot net
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882094 ] |
Wed, 22 February 2006 15:47 |
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Sir Benjamin Nunn <bennunn [at] depro.co.uk> once famously said:
> I'll probably rerecord all of the parts a little more professionally
> this weekend, and then give you a copy of all the seperate tracks.
Just do me a favour and tune up the mando properly this time. Man, I hate
the sound of out-of-tune stringed instruments.
--
Al
"i like chelsea.
Are you?"
- Mr Bean, Dec 2005
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882096 ] |
Wed, 22 February 2006 15:51 |
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"Allen Parkes" <forename.surname [at] blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:463bs7F96t0mU1 [at] individual.net...
> Sir Benjamin Nunn <bennunn [at] depro.co.uk> once famously said:
>> I'll probably rerecord all of the parts a little more professionally
>> this weekend, and then give you a copy of all the seperate tracks.
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> Just do me a favour and tune up the mando properly this time. Man, I hate
> the sound of out-of-tune stringed instruments.
I fucking love the sound, and I'm going to deliberately detune it even
more...
Actually, I'm going to restring it, because it's currently using the same
gauge strings on the G and D, which isn't very right.
Or I could use my new, more expensive mando that I just bought, but I'm not
as comfortable playing it as the old one. The neck seems too think, and
there's an annoying bump before the head.
BTN
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882099 ] |
Wed, 22 February 2006 14:45 |
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"Sir Benjamin Nunn" <bennunn [at] depro.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4632f9F8kodqU1 [at] individual.net...
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> "Joe Horowitz" <my_name [at] youblunder.co.youghey> wrote in message
> news:WcSKf.43652$YJ4.33559 [at] fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
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>> This is definitely the case. I spent half the night turning the
>> Nunnsample up and down, trying to decide which was worse out of 'too
>> quiet vocal' and 'too loud mandolin'. I did try fucking about with the
>> EQ'ing on it to see if that would help, but the best I could do was take
>> the edge off it and that made Ben's vocal sound all flat and crappy.
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> I'll probably rerecord all of the parts a little more professionally this
> weekend, and then give you a copy of all the seperate tracks.
That would rock. If I was going to do another remix, though, I'd do my own
version rather than a c/p bootleg jobbie on some other cunt's famous
eighties record.
> FWIW I'm going to change the original slightly, in bringing in the bass
> earlier, and then introducing a cello part for the second verse.
Excellent, I like cello. What would be best of all, in an ideal world such
as the one you and I inhabit, would be if you sent me an mp3 of a rough cut
of your new mix (just for my information so I can hear how your parts fit
together), but posted me a CD of proper .wavs of the samples. Working from
mp3's sux donkee dik.
> You do realise that you'll have to remix all of my songs now. Or at least
> somebody will.
Deal.
> We should probably to an exclusive limited edition of Naked Mandolin Solos
> that's bundled with a special UKSF remix album in funky glans packaging,
> featuring mixes by Joe Horowitz, Cypher, diane appleton, and other
> legendary posters.
AWTWP.
--
Joe
Pay it fast it will be great..!!!
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882101 ] |
Wed, 22 February 2006 14:57 |
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In article <4632f9F8kodqU1 [at] individual.net>, bennunn [at] depro.co.uk says...
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> I'll probably rerecord all of the parts a little more professionally this
> weekend, and then give you a copy of all the seperate tracks.
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Chuck em in my direction too - I wouldn't mind having a little tinker.
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> We should probably to an exclusive limited edition of Naked Mandolin Solos
> that's bundled with a special UKSF remix album in funky glans packaging,
> featuring mixes by Joe Horowitz, Cypher, diane appleton, and other legendary
> posters.
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I obviously can't compete with musical heavyweights like diane appleton,
but there's still hope.
M
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882102 ] |
Wed, 22 February 2006 15:08 |
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In article <QVZKf.43489$DM.11458 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
my_name [at] youblunder.co.youghey says...
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> Excellent, I like cello. What would be best of all, in an ideal world such
> as the one you and I inhabit, would be if you sent me an mp3 of a rough cut
> of your new mix (just for my information so I can hear how your parts fit
> together), but posted me a CD of proper .wavs of the samples. Working from
> mp3's sux donkee dik.
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AWTWP. I'd quite like to get my hands on such a CD. I need a decent
project to prod me back into getting the music editing shit going again
(I built this fucking PC for that precise purpose and have done bugger
all).
Chain-remixing. Sounds good.
M
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882104 ] |
Wed, 22 February 2006 15:28 |
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"Martin" <news [at] mandab.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1e6680cdcd12caf6989a4e [at] news.individual.net...
> AWTWP. I'd quite like to get my hands on such a CD. I need a decent
> project to prod me back into getting the music editing shit going again
> (I built this fucking PC for that precise purpose and have done bugger
> all).
You continually surprise me, Martin. We do similar jobs and everything.
> Chain-remixing. Sounds good.
If your remix skills are anything like your spreadshitting you should put
mine to shame.
--
Joe
Pay it fast it will be great..!!!
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882111 ] |
Wed, 22 February 2006 17:01 |
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"Joe Horowitz" <my_name [at] youblunder.co.youghey> wrote in message
news:QVZKf.43489$DM.11458 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
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>> I'll probably rerecord all of the parts a little more professionally this
>> weekend, and then give you a copy of all the seperate tracks.
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> That would rock. If I was going to do another remix, though, I'd do my
> own version rather than a c/p bootleg jobbie on some other cunt's famous
> eighties record.
What if if was 'Africa' though?
See, you hadn't thought of that.
>> FWIW I'm going to change the original slightly, in bringing in the bass
>> earlier, and then introducing a cello part for the second verse.
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> Excellent, I like cello.
I'll probably have to record it with MIDIcello to begin with, although I
would like to get a rich, expressive real cello on the recording if it looks
like it might go somewhere.
> What would be best of all, in an ideal world such as the one you and I
> inhabit, would be if you sent me an mp3 of a rough cut of your new mix
> (just for my information so I can hear how your parts fit together), but
> posted me a CD of proper .wavs of the samples. Working from mp3's sux
> donkee dik.
Yes, that would be teh good.
I can send the .wavs for some of my other songs as well. I think 'Otherwise
Slutty' might benefit from your treatment, especially during the spoken word
bits.
>> We should probably to an exclusive limited edition of Naked Mandolin
>> Solos that's bundled with a special UKSF remix album in funky glans
>> packaging, featuring mixes by Joe Horowitz, Cypher, diane appleton, and
>> other legendary posters.
>
> AWTWP.
DWTWP.
BTN
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882112 ] |
Wed, 22 February 2006 17:04 |
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"Osbourne Ruddock" <strikeboy [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9772DDDA4EADEstrikeboyhotmailcom [at] 130.133.1.4...
> "Sir Benjamin Nunn" <bennunn [at] depro.co.uk> wrote in
> news:45u48iF6gchdU1 [at] individual.net:
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>>> It's a little short of 7mb. Should I send anyway?
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>> Here now:
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>> www.bennunn.com/bloodymonday.mp3
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> Heh, very fucking clever. The original sounds a bit Flying Nunnish. You
> should check out The Bats Ben, you might like them, even though their name
> starts with 'The'.
No, I think that 'The Bats Ben' is a sufficiently interesting name for a
band.
BTN
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882113 ] |
Wed, 22 February 2006 17:06 |
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"Joe Horowitz" <my_name [at] youblunder.co.youghey> wrote in message
news:44SKf.43651$YJ4.23737 [at] fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
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>> As does this bangin tune!!!
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>> You boys ought to be very proud of yourselves.
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>> 8.1/9
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> Aww, thanks Rob. Your endorsement is the only one that matters.
Yes, and ours is the only song that matters. No, wait, that's 'Africa' isn't
it? Disregard.
I'd love to hear Rob's endorsement of Africa, actually.
BTN
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882118 ] |
Wed, 22 February 2006 17:58 |
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Sir Benjamin Nunn <bennunn [at] depro.co.uk> once famously said:
> Or I could use my new, more expensive mando that I just bought, but
> I'm not as comfortable playing it as the old one. The neck seems too
> think, and there's an annoying bump before the head.
Welcome to the vagaries of mandolins. The one I learned to play on was very
cheap, but huge. Almost a Mandocello or summink. It helped though,
learning the chords n'shit on a much wider neck. Mu current mando is pretty
comfortable to play, though several others I've played have suffered with
the symptoms you've listed, or that the neck is too narrow and you can't
fret two strings without fretting three or four. There are relatively few
well-made models available.
--
Al
"i like chelsea.
Are you?"
- Mr Bean, Dec 2005
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882121 ] |
Wed, 22 February 2006 18:08 |
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:06:22 -0000, Sir Benjamin Nunn presented
this to uk.sport.football:
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> I'd love to hear Rob's endorsement of Africa, actually.
>
I have deliberately avoided hearing 'Africa' by Toto until I am
on my deathbed. I then expect the the sheer power, magnitude and
eroticism of the song to revive me and allow me to live a
further 125 years.
Then I'll give it my endorsement.
--
rob at rjp dot clara dot net
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882123 ] |
Wed, 22 February 2006 18:13 |
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:51:37 -0000, Sir Benjamin Nunn presented
this to uk.sport.football:
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> Or I could use my new, more expensive mando that I just bought, but I'm not
> as comfortable playing it as the old one. The neck seems too think, and
> there's an annoying bump before the head.
>
If it has any interesting thoughts you should get it to post
them to the group.
--
rob at rjp dot clara dot net
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882124 ] |
Wed, 22 February 2006 18:17 |
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"Robert Poleson" <sp [at] m.no> wrote in message
news:MPG.1e66aad42268ff298976b [at] news.clara.net...
> I have deliberately avoided hearing 'Africa' by Toto until I am
> on my deathbed. I then expect the the sheer power, magnitude and
> eroticism of the song to revive me and allow me to live a
> further 125 years.
You won't be disappointed, Rob, it is all these things and more. And less.
But mostly more and less.
> Then I'll give it my endorsement.
Not to mention powerful.
--
Joe
Pay it fast it will be great..!!!
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882125 ] |
Wed, 22 February 2006 18:19 |
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"Allen Parkes" <forename.surname [at] blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:463jh7F9bl1tU1 [at] individual.net...
> Sir Benjamin Nunn <bennunn [at] depro.co.uk> once famously said:
>> Or I could use my new, more expensive mando that I just bought, but
>> I'm not as comfortable playing it as the old one. The neck seems too
>> think, and there's an annoying bump before the head.
>
> Welcome to the vagaries of mandolins. The one I learned to play on was
> very cheap, but huge. Almost a Mandocello or summink. It helped though,
> learning the chords n'shit on a much wider neck. Mu current mando is
> pretty comfortable to play, though several others I've played have
> suffered with the symptoms you've listed, or that the neck is too narrow
> and you can't fret two strings without fretting three or four. There are
> relatively few well-made models available.
Having quite small hands, and no recent experience of guitar-playing, I
found the scale alright on My First Mando(tm).
It's also about the same scale neck as my Ashbory silicon bass, so the
intricate fingerwork required to fret strings accurately wasn't that much of
a learning curve. I actually find it way easier than I ever found the guitar
(probably because I could never get my head round the non-standard intervals
in standard guitar tuning).
For V-I-v-III chord shapes I've been using my thumb on the G string, and
that's where the problem of the thick neck comes in, as it just won't
stretch around the back comfortably at times.
BTN
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882126 ] |
Wed, 22 February 2006 18:22 |
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"Sir Benjamin Nunn" <bennunn [at] depro.co.uk> wrote in message
news:463gg1F8vashU1 [at] individual.net...
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> "Joe Horowitz" <my_name [at] youblunder.co.youghey> wrote in message
> news:44SKf.43651$YJ4.23737 [at] fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> Aww, thanks Rob. Your endorsement is the only one that matters.
>
> Yes, and ours is the only song that matters. No, wait, that's 'Africa'
> isn't it? Disregard.
I think it _was_, Ben, but we might just have changed all that. In a recent
poll of over a thousand worldwide music theoreticians, historians and other
such harmonic boffins, over six hundred of them now rate 'Monday Bloody
Monday' as ever so slightly more important than 'Africa', with everything
else ever unanimously agreed to still be relative musiscal footnotes.
As Rob pointed out, we should be very proud. Even Bernard Sumner reckons
his original Blue Monday was nowhere near as good, he said that in an
interview on the radio yesterday. True story.
> I'd love to hear Rob's endorsement of Africa, actually.
As, I'm sure, would Toto.
--
Joe
Pay it fast it will be great..!!!
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882127 ] |
Wed, 22 February 2006 18:25 |
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"Allen Parkes" <forename.surname [at] blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:463bs7F96t0mU1 [at] individual.net...
> Sir Benjamin Nunn <bennunn [at] depro.co.uk> once famously said:
>> I'll probably rerecord all of the parts a little more professionally
>> this weekend, and then give you a copy of all the seperate tracks.
>
> Just do me a favour and tune up the mando properly this time. Man, I hate
> the sound of out-of-tune stringed instruments.
AWTWP. To be fair to Ben, I doubt he ever expected bleedalone.mp3 to get
such close scrutiny.
--
Joe
Pay it fast it will be great..!!!
--
Joe
Pay it fast it will be great..!!!
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882129 ] |
Wed, 22 February 2006 18:29 |
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"Joe Horowitz" <my_name [at] youblunder.co.youghey> wrote in message
news:F81Lf.44428$DM.806 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
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>>> I'll probably rerecord all of the parts a little more professionally
>>> this weekend, and then give you a copy of all the seperate tracks.
>>
>> Just do me a favour and tune up the mando properly this time. Man, I
>> hate the sound of out-of-tune stringed instruments.
>
> AWTWP. To be fair to Ben, I doubt he ever expected bleedalone.mp3 to get
> such close scrutiny.
I'm not sure New Order expected their little-known record to get so much
repeat exposure on the back of it's sampling here, either.
BTN
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882130 ] |
Wed, 22 February 2006 18:35 |
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"Sir Benjamin Nunn" <bennunn [at] depro.co.uk> wrote in message
news:463g7fF90i76U1 [at] individual.net...
> What if if was 'Africa' though? See, you hadn't thought of that.
You don't reckon? Ffs.
Of course it crossed my mind, and if you do have any recorded songs in the
same key and vaguely the same tempo I'd certainly be happy to give that a go
as well. My computer might blow up with the sheer power and eroticism of it
though, not to mention the eroticism.
Mind you, I don't think Africa had sequenced beats, mixing one set of 'live'
(as in performed, rather than sequenced) music with another would be a
massive, massive headache. Still do-able, but not in four hours or
something like MBM.
> I'll probably have to record it with MIDIcello to begin with, although I
> would like to get a rich, expressive real cello on the recording if it
> looks like it might go somewhere.
Can you play cello? Do you have one?
> Yes, that would be teh good.
>
> I can send the .wavs for some of my other songs as well. I think
> 'Otherwise Slutty' might benefit from your treatment, especially during
> the spoken word bits.
Yeah, go for it. Buzz me an mp3 of it anyway whenever you've got one (if
you haven't already) and I can have a listen and a think about it.
>> AWTWP.
> DWTWP.
YNRRFTNG, AY.
--
Joe
Pay it fast it will be great..!!!
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882131 ] |
Wed, 22 February 2006 18:44 |
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"Robert Poleson" <sp [at] m.no> wrote in message
news:MPG.1e66aad42268ff298976b [at] news.clara.net...
> On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:06:22 -0000, Sir Benjamin Nunn presented
> this to uk.sport.football:
>>
>> I'd love to hear Rob's endorsement of Africa, actually.
>>
>
> I have deliberately avoided hearing 'Africa' by Toto until I am
> on my deathbed. I then expect the the sheer power, magnitude and
> eroticism of the song to revive me and allow me to live a
> further 125 years.
When you're on your deathbed for the second time, will you listen to Monday
Bloody Monday?
BTN
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882132 ] |
Wed, 22 February 2006 18:54 |
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"Joe Horowitz" <my_name [at] youblunder.co.youghey> wrote in message
news:451Lf.44419$DM.35840 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
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>> Yes, and ours is the only song that matters. No, wait, that's 'Africa'
>> isn't it? Disregard.
>
> I think it _was_, Ben, but we might just have changed all that. In a
> recent poll of over a thousand worldwide music theoreticians, historians
> and other such harmonic boffins, over six hundred of them now rate 'Monday
> Bloody Monday' as ever so slightly more important than 'Africa', with
> everything else ever unanimously agreed to still be relative musiscal
> footnotes.
That's drastic but overall very fair.
It feels good to make all other music - indeed, all other things - obselete.
> As Rob pointed out, we should be very proud. Even Bernard Sumner reckons
> his original Blue Monday was nowhere near as good, he said that in an
> interview on the radio yesterday. True story.
I heard that he killed himself when he realised what had happened.
>> I'd love to hear Rob's endorsement of Africa, actually.
>
> As, I'm sure, would Toto.
Unless they hear Monday Bloody Monday first, obviously.
BTN
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882135 ] |
Wed, 22 February 2006 19:28 |
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:44:19 -0000, Sir Benjamin Nunn presented=20
this to uk.sport.football:
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> "Robert Poleson" <sp [at] m.no> wrote in message=20
> news:MPG.1e66aad42268ff298976b [at] news.clara.net...
> > On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:06:22 -0000, Sir Benjamin Nunn presented
> > this to uk.sport.football:
> >>
> >> I'd love to hear Rob's endorsement of Africa, actually.
> >>
> >
> > I have deliberately avoided hearing 'Africa' by Toto until I am
> > on my deathbed. I then expect the the sheer power, magnitude and
> > eroticism of the song to revive me and allow me to live a
> > further 125 years.
>=20
>=20
> When you're on your deathbed for the second time, will you listen to Mond=
ay=20
> Bloody Monday?
>=20
I'd love to but I'll be the only human left, so there wont be=20
anyone available to wind up the Pinkube=AE player for me.
--=20
rob at rjp dot clara dot net
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882137 ] |
Wed, 22 February 2006 19:42 |
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In article <Vh1Lf.44441$DM.37423 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
my_name [at] youblunder.co.youghey says...
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> > I'll probably have to record it with MIDIcello to begin with, although I
> > would like to get a rich, expressive real cello on the recording if it
> > looks like it might go somewhere.
>
> Can you play cello? Do you have one?
>
I may be able to provide a cellist, if necessary. Sans cello, but able
to play one.
M
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882193 ] |
Thu, 23 February 2006 08:23 |
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"Sir Benjamin Nunn" <bennunn [at] depro.co.uk> wrote in
news:463lbbF99inpU1 [at] individual.net:
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> I'm not sure New Order expected their little-known record to get so
> much repeat exposure on the back of it's sampling here, either.
>
New who?
--
Cheers, Os
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882201 ] |
Thu, 23 February 2006 11:32 |
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"Osbourne Ruddock" <strikeboy [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9773CF5392429strikeboyhotmailcom [at] 130.133.1.4...
> "Sir Benjamin Nunn" <bennunn [at] depro.co.uk> wrote in
> news:463lbbF99inpU1 [at] individual.net:
>
>>
>> I'm not sure New Order expected their little-known record to get so
>> much repeat exposure on the back of it's sampling here, either.
>>
>
> New who?
Oh, New... umm... Order. They're just some unknown 1980s dance-pop combo,
but belately destined for great things now thanks to one of their tunes
being remixed into my naked mandolin solo.
They'll probably want to suck on my bhig phat chochk at some point.
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882202 ] |
Thu, 23 February 2006 11:34 |
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"Robert Poleson" <sp [at] m.no> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:51:37 -0000, Sir Benjamin Nunn presented
> this to uk.sport.football:
>>
>> Or I could use my new, more expensive mando that I just bought, but I'm
>> not
>> as comfortable playing it as the old one. The neck seems too think, and
>> there's an annoying bump before the head.
>>
>
> If it has any interesting thoughts you should get it to post
> them to the group.
The other day it was thinking that they should sell Bacon Fries and Cheese
Moments in larger packets, because the little ones aren't really enough to
go with a pint.
Then this morning it came up with a cure for AIDS.
BTN
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882207 ] |
Thu, 23 February 2006 12:10 |
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"Robert Poleson" <sp [at] m.no> wrote in message
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>> When you're on your deathbed for the second time, will you listen to
>> Monday
>> Bloody Monday?
>>
> I'd love to but I'll be the only human left, so there wont be
> anyone available to wind up the PinkubeŽ player for me.
You'll probably just have to die then. Shame.
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882252 ] |
Fri, 24 February 2006 12:25 |
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"Joe Horowitz" <my_name [at] youblunder.co.youghey> wrote in message
news:Vh1Lf.44441$DM.37423 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> Of course it crossed my mind, and if you do have any recorded songs in the
> same key and vaguely the same tempo I'd certainly be happy to give that a
> go as well. My computer might blow up with the sheer power and eroticism
> of it though, not to mention the eroticism.
And that's not even thinking about what might happen to your glans.
> Mind you, I don't think Africa had sequenced beats, mixing one set of
> 'live' (as in performed, rather than sequenced) music with another would
> be a massive, massive headache. Still do-able, but not in four hours or
> something like MBM.
Heh. True.
This is one of these things where I've never really fused the two worlds.
Recording live/performed music on a computer then doing stuff with it is
totally new to me.
>> I'll probably have to record it with MIDIcello to begin with, although I
>> would like to get a rich, expressive real cello on the recording if it
>> looks like it might go somewhere.
>
> Can you play cello? Do you have one?
No, and no. But I do have connections to lots of musician types, including
cellists.
Whether I'd persuade them to play on a naked mandolin solo about self harm
is questionable though.
>> Yes, that would be teh good.
>>
>> I can send the .wavs for some of my other songs as well. I think
>> 'Otherwise Slutty' might benefit from your treatment, especially during
>> the spoken word bits.
>
> Yeah, go for it. Buzz me an mp3 of it anyway whenever you've got one (if
> you haven't already) and I can have a listen and a think about it.
Never been recorded. I might be able to get two more of my naked mandolin
solos down this weekend if I don't struggle with the setup and software too
much.
>>> AWTWP.
>> DWTWP.
>
> YNRRFTNG, AY.
N. A, Y.
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882254 ] |
Fri, 24 February 2006 13:08 |
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"Sir Benjamin Nunn" <bennunn [at] depro.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4688olF9rfr9U1 [at] individual.net...
> "Joe Horowitz" <my_name [at] youblunder.co.youghey> wrote in message
> news:Vh1Lf.44441$DM.37423 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> Of course it crossed my mind, and if you do have any recorded songs in
>> the same key and vaguely the same tempo I'd certainly be happy to give
>> that a go as well. My computer might blow up with the sheer power and
>> eroticism of it though, not to mention the eroticism.
>
> And that's not even thinking about what might happen to your glans.
I think all of that and more would happen to my glans, and less, but mostly
more and less.
> This is one of these things where I've never really fused the two worlds.
> Recording live/performed music on a computer then doing stuff with it is
> totally new to me.
Amusingly, I'd done it before I'd ever sent an e-mail, opened a spreadsheet
or looked at a webpage.
I have a clever bass-playing friend who I used to jam with a few years back,
when I moved to Bristol I got in touch again because he'd been living here a
while. He invited me round to his gaff to play with his new music
toys'n'shit, he had a PC with a decent soundcard, Cubase and a drum machine.
Plus a few random instruments dotted around the room.
I had a new guitar chord-sequence riff thing I'd been working on, it was
very nice but a right bastard to play with loads of hammer-ons and pull-offs
in a kind of Hendrixesque simultaneous-ryhthm'n'lead style. I was
overstretching myself every time I tried it, but really wanted to get it
down because I thought it would sound good if done properly. I jammed it
round a few times into his soundcard, it was dead sloppy and I wanted to
have another go at it but he assured me there was no need, within five
minutes he'd chopped out all the shonky bars and replaced them with
duplicates of the clean ones, so it sounded like I'd played the whole thing
flawlessly.
Then we took a weird little accidental string twang thing that caught our
ears from one of the cocked up bits, gave that it's own track and morphed it
right out, then he gave the whole thing an intuitive and clever bassline as
he always does, then we added drums from the drum machine, I layed over some
live bongos and he made some harmonic sci-fi noises on an old analogue
synth, and lastly we added a light sprinkling of scratched vocal from a
Tribe Called Quest tune (Q-Tip saying 'That's all you heard!' from
'Everything Is Fair', for the record). Took about five or six hours in
total and we had something quite funky and fun, not to mention reasonably
convincing and professional sounding, coming together already. I was
instantly totally hooked.
It's the entire reason I saved up and bought a computer in the first place,
and having got my head around the basics of Windows the first piece of
software I installed and learned was Cubase.
A year or so later I got the internet'n'shit, and shortly after that Youksef
ruined my life.
> No, and no. But I do have connections to lots of musician types, including
> cellists.
>
> Whether I'd persuade them to play on a naked mandolin solo about self harm
> is questionable though.
Just tell them you'll fuck yourself right up if they don't.
> Never been recorded. I might be able to get two more of my naked mandolin
> solos down this weekend if I don't struggle with the setup and software
> too much.
All in all, I'm still pretty teh rubbishcunt at setup and software.
>>>> AWTWP.
>>> DWTWP.
>> YNRRFTNG, AY.
>
> N. A, Y.
YM'G'. C.
--
Joe
Pay it fast it will be great..!!!
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882257 ] |
Fri, 24 February 2006 13:33 |
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"Joe Horowitz" <my_name [at] youblunder.co.youghey> wrote in message
news:oHCLf.63853$YJ4.11690 [at] fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
>>
>> And that's not even thinking about what might happen to your glans.
>
> I think all of that and more would happen to my glans, and less, but
> mostly more and less.
Not to mention powerful.
>> This is one of these things where I've never really fused the two worlds.
>> Recording live/performed music on a computer then doing stuff with it is
>> totally new to me.
>
> Amusingly, I'd done it before I'd ever sent an e-mail, opened a
> spreadsheet or looked at a webpage.
Heh. Ghey.
Actually, I used cubase at school before I ever used email and webpages. On
a fucking Apple Mac as well! I did some of my A-level music compositions and
The Wizard EP on that Roland synthesiser.
Sounded quite good at the time. I don't think it would even know what a real
instrument was though.
> I had a new guitar chord-sequence riff thing I'd been working on, it was
> very nice but a right bastard to play with loads of hammer-ons and
> pull-offs in a kind of Hendrixesque simultaneous-ryhthm'n'lead style. I
> was overstretching myself every time I tried it, but really wanted to get
> it down because I thought it would sound good if done properly. I jammed
> it round a few times into his soundcard, it was dead sloppy and I wanted
> to have another go at it but he assured me there was no need, within five
> minutes he'd chopped out all the shonky bars and replaced them with
> duplicates of the clean ones, so it sounded like I'd played the whole
> thing flawlessly.
Heh, that's the sort of stuff I disagree with a bit in recorded music - the
duplication of bars'n'shit. But that's just me.
It occurred to me that your love of sequenced beats fits in a lot with your
methodical personality.
> Then we took a weird little accidental string twang thing that caught our
> ears from one of the cocked up bits, gave that it's own track and morphed
> it right out, then he gave the whole thing an intuitive and clever
> bassline as he always does, then we added drums from the drum machine, I
> layed over some live bongos and he made some harmonic sci-fi noises on an
> old analogue synth, and lastly we added a light sprinkling of scratched
> vocal from a Tribe Called Quest tune (Q-Tip saying 'That's all you heard!'
> from 'Everything Is Fair', for the record). Took about five or six hours
> in total and we had something quite funky and fun, not to mention
> reasonably convincing and professional sounding, coming together already.
> I was instantly totally hooked.
Is that one of the tracks that you played me when I came to stay?
>>>>> AWTWP.
>>>> DWTWP.
>>> YNRRFTNG, AY.
>>
>> N. A, Y.
>
> YM'G'. C.
Q.
BTN
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882263 ] |
Fri, 24 February 2006 13:52 |
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"Sir Benjamin Nunn" <bennunn [at] depro.co.uk> wrote in message
news:468co1F9efesU1 [at] individual.net...
> "Joe Horowitz" <my_name [at] youblunder.co.youghey> wrote in message
> news:oHCLf.63853$YJ4.11690 [at] fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> I think all of that and more would happen to my glans, and less, but
>> mostly more and less.
>
> Not to mention powerful.
And less.
> Actually, I used cubase at school before I ever used email and webpages.
> On a fucking Apple Mac as well! I did some of my A-level music
> compositions and The Wizard EP on that Roland synthesiser.
>
> Sounded quite good at the time. I don't think it would even know what a
> real instrument was though.
I never took A-level music or owt like that, which is a shame looking back.
Didn't even do a GCSE, even though I was studying music theory'n'shit and
playing a lot in my own time. This might have been partly to do with a
massive personality clash between me and the school music teacher, though,
which meant I was excluded from all music lessons from the 2nd year onwards
(12yrs old). She used to walk into the room and send me out before she'd
even sat down at her desk, apparently to save herself the trouble later.
Cunt.
It was okay though, because I'd basically sit on my own in the big store
cupboard thing with all the instruments in, playing on my own with
xylophones and electronic keyboards and all sorts instead of listening to
her ghey rubbishcunt lesson, which was clearly tailored towards the stupider
end of the classroom.
Man, school sucked. I fucking hated it all, tbh.
> Heh, that's the sort of stuff I disagree with a bit in recorded music -
> the duplication of bars'n'shit. But that's just me.
I think it's only really the end product that matters, if a bit of tinkering
can make something sound better then that's all good as far as I'm
concerned.
> It occurred to me that your love of sequenced beats fits in a lot with
> your methodical personality.
Of course, as does my need for a certain amount of repetition in the music I
like. I like patterns, most of the visuals I really get off on have
patterns and repetition and geometry in them as well, hence my love of
flowers and shrubs'n'shit, not to mention spirals, chrystal formations and
the suchlike.
> Is that one of the tracks that you played me when I came to stay?
Heh. No. All the tracks I played you when you came to stay, if you
remember, had ghey rubbishcunt basslines written by someone who is fucking
shit at writing basslines.
>>>>>> AWTWP.
>>>>> DWTWP.
>>>> YNRRFTNG, AY.
>>> N. A, Y.
>> YM'G'. C.
>
> Q.
RIPK.
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Joe
Pay it fast it will be great..!!!
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882264 ] |
Fri, 24 February 2006 14:12 |
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"Joe Horowitz" <my_name [at] youblunder.co.youghey> wrote in message
news:FkDLf.63947$YJ4.39177 [at] fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
>> Actually, I used cubase at school before I ever used email and webpages.
>> On a fucking Apple Mac as well! I did some of my A-level music
>> compositions and The Wizard EP on that Roland synthesiser.
>>
>> Sounded quite good at the time. I don't think it would even know what a
>> real instrument was though.
>
> I never took A-level music or owt like that, which is a shame looking
> back. Didn't even do a GCSE, even though I was studying music
> theory'n'shit and playing a lot in my own time. This might have been
> partly to do with a massive personality clash between me and the school
> music teacher, though, which meant I was excluded from all music lessons
> from the 2nd year onwards (12yrs old). She used to walk into the room and
> send me out before she'd even sat down at her desk, apparently to save
> herself the trouble later. Cunt.
LMAO, Lamo.
That sounds like my kind of teacher. Keeping it seriously real'n'shit. Teh
education systems needs more people like that.
> It was okay though, because I'd basically sit on my own in the big store
> cupboard thing with all the instruments in, playing on my own with
> xylophones and electronic keyboards and all sorts instead of listening to
> her ghey rubbishcunt lesson, which was clearly tailored towards the
> stupider end of the classroom.
I really enjoyed music lessons at school, except when I got in trouble for
showing off, or because the work was too mindlessly boring and easy'n'shit.
By the time you get to GCSE/A-level it does get quite fun though, although
music departments tend to suck you in, and you have to put in a lot of your
own time outside of lessons for not-very-good grades.
> Man, school sucked. I fucking hated it all, tbh.
Yeah, I didn't like it a lot of the time. Looking back though, I was happier
then than I ever have been since...
>> Heh, that's the sort of stuff I disagree with a bit in recorded music -
>> the duplication of bars'n'shit. But that's just me.
>
> I think it's only really the end product that matters, if a bit of
> tinkering can make something sound better then that's all good as far as
> I'm concerned.
Yeah, although I suppose the idea of 'better' is subjective. I love live
music because it's got subtle differences each time, I suppose.
When I play in a band, I'll normally try different things each time. I'll
never play or sing exactly the same thing with the same little nuances each
time.
Even within a non-sequenced recording, I like to notice the way things feel
slightly different. I *like* the sort of variance from rigid tempo etc. that
you find annoying.
>> Is that one of the tracks that you played me when I came to stay?
>
> Heh. No. All the tracks I played you when you came to stay, if you
> remember, had ghey rubbishcunt basslines written by someone who is fucking
> shit at writing basslines.
Oh yeah, because it annoyed because I'd keep thinking of stuff that I'd have
done more interestingly. Disregard.
>>>>>>> AWTWP.
>>>>>> DWTWP.
>>>>> YNRRFTNG, AY.
>>>> N. A, Y.
>>> YM'G'. C.
>>
>> Q.
>
> RIPK.
Oh believe me, I'd *love* to rupture his kidneys, but GIL obviously feels
for him, and such a display of violence and hatred it might mean I have even
less chance in the future.
BTN
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882267 ] |
Fri, 24 February 2006 15:30 |
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"Sir Benjamin Nunn" <bennunn [at] depro.co.uk> wrote in message
news:468f1gF9qrjqU1 [at] individual.net...
> LMAO, Lamo.
>
> That sounds like my kind of teacher. Keeping it seriously real'n'shit. Teh
> education systems needs more people like that.
DWTWP, very very strongly. The education system is full of tinpot dictators
with no real interest or passion for the job, intent on force-feeding kids
someone else's shit from a textbook so they can spend half the lesson
reading a fucking Jackie Collins book or someshit while the kids get on (I
SAID SILENTLY!11!cunts!11)with exercise 7b from page 42, and squash any cunt
who actually tries to engage with teh subject and turn their fucking rubbish
lesson into something they might have to think about.
For every ten teachers I had like her, I had one like Mr Robinson, one of my
A-level English teachers, who actually liked the fact that I had
opinions'n'shit. He loved it when kids started arguing with him or probed
him on certain points, no matter how rubbish our reasoning or how
poorly-constructed our arguments, because it meant we were taking a genuine
interest and actually thinking about it rather than just memorising stuff
and repeating it back to him with a biro. Half of his lesson plans went out
the window after ten minutes because we'd all go off on tangents and start
arguing'n'shit about the subject matter, and yet his grades were
consistently better than most of the other teachers would get out of the
same kids. What a surprise.
Some of his exercises were highly unconventional and imaginative as well,
like maybe he'd set up a courtroom scene where we'd put the central
character from a book on trial for being a cunt, and we'd have to prepare
cases for the prosecution and defence and set up a jury and all that.
There's just no bluffing your way out of a situation like that, you have to
understand the subject matter to be able to approach it from different
angles'n'shit. He was passionate about what he was doing, and his
enthusiasm rubbed off onto those around him.
The education system needs more teachers like that, if you ask me. Maybe
less kids would think it was all just a big pile of wank if the fucking
teachers seemed more interested.
> I really enjoyed music lessons at school, except when I got in trouble for
> showing off, or because the work was too mindlessly boring and
> easy'n'shit.
I think I had about three decent teachers at school, and I really enjoyed
those lessons. Mr Robinson's English lessons rocked, my art teacher was ace
although I can't remember his name which is a bit crap, and our GCSE maths
teacher, Miss Scanelli, was an absolute angel. It's no surprise that these
ended up being the three subjects I took at A-level, because being the sort
of person I am, I only ever had a chance in hell at the subjects where I
didn't clash with the teacher. Sadly, Miss Scanelli only handled the stats
part of the A-level maths syllabus, the pure bit was done by Mr Williams and
he was a cunt as well so I did shit at that.
Looking back, I can totally see how I was a pain in the arse for most
teachers, I spent most of my time on the wrong side of all of them but
never in a rebellious, hard-kid-who-gets-in-trouble-for-doing-bad-things
kind of way. I was just harder work than most of them could be arsed with
at that stage of their career.
I'll always have limitless respect and gratitude for the few who could
actually be bothered with me, though, because I was actually capable of
doing quite
well at exams'n'shit and it's only partly my fault that I didn't. I have
teh qualifications of a mingmong.
> By the time you get to GCSE/A-level it does get quite fun though, although
> music departments tend to suck you in, and you have to put in a lot of
> your own time outside of lessons for not-very-good grades.
In the end, I spent most of my GCSE and A-Level time utterly consumed by
music, I played guitar three or four hours a day for five years, formed
bands for one-off gigs and performances, and spent more out-of-school time
in the music-block with like-minded people than in all my hours of schooling
put together. School killed my enjoyment of nearly everything it touched,
perhaps the reason I love the things I love so much now (music, films, food,
sex etc) is partly down to the fact that they're all the things no teacher
ever
had a chance to ruin for me.
> Yeah, I didn't like it a lot of the time. Looking back though, I was
> happier then than I ever have been since...
Heh. GPWM.
> Yeah, although I suppose the idea of 'better' is subjective. I love live
> music because it's got subtle differences each time, I suppose.
AWTWP. However, there's a difference between that and a little subtle
tinkering to iron out a couple of glaring cock-ups. Live music is one thing
and the performance should always be something special, unique to that
occasion and appropriate to all the various environmental and circumstantial
factors, but if I buy a recording I don't always want to hear the first,
mistake-ridden take of each part. There are happy mediums between rough,
pure, unsullied jamming and over-produced monotony, it's what most records
hope to achieve.
There's a very good reason why most Dylan recordings sound shit. He loved
teh first take, he sought it's simple purity wherever possible. Fair play
to him for that as well, but there's a lot of classic albums and
recordings'n'shit that wouldn't have been so had cunts not taken the time to
get it right.
> When I play in a band, I'll normally try different things each time. I'll
> never play or sing exactly the same thing with the same little nuances
> each time.
Heh. Me and this bass player used to write shit with a girl
singer-songwriter at college, and she drove both of us mental because she
never did the same thing even vaguely the same twice. That's a bit extreme
though, and YPS.
> Even within a non-sequenced recording, I like to notice the way things
> feel slightly different. I *like* the sort of variance from rigid tempo
> etc. that you find annoying.
Err... yeah, because my record collection is about 60% sequenced beats?
That'd be 40% of the music I love that I find annoying then, apparently.
This grossly misinterpreted web has been brought to you by Ben's loneliness
and Joe's contentment, in conjunction with Flanahan's Flans. It's teh flan
that can.
Now fuck off.
> Oh yeah, because it annoyed because I'd keep thinking of stuff that I'd
> have done more interestingly. Disregard.
Which was highly impressive, of course. It's incredibly difficult to listen
to something someone's spent forty or fifty hours on and think of a whole
load more stuff that could have been done with more time and patience.
'Bleed Alone', OTOH, was very much the complete package and could only have
been improved by a genius. Or a stoned, drunk idiot with a New Order mp3
and a big pair of musical scissors.
>> RIPK.
>
> Oh believe me, I'd *love* to rupture his kidneys, but GIL obviously feels
> for him, and such a display of violence and hatred it might mean I have
> even less chance in the future.
I think you should maybe start thinking about trying to get over this
ridiculous infatuation with Goran Ivanisevic's leg. It's clearly not
interested in you, give it a fucking rest.
--
Joe
Pay it fast it will be great..!!!
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| Re: Monday Bloody Monday [message #882271 ] |
Fri, 24 February 2006 15:59 |
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"Joe Horowitz" <my_name [at] youblunder.co.youghey> wrote in message
news:dMELf.63960$YJ4.17379 [at] fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
>> LMAO, Lamo.
>>
>> That sounds like my kind of teacher. Keeping it seriously real'n'shit.
>> Teh
>> education systems needs more people like that.
>
> DWTWP, very very strongly. The education system is full of tinpot
> dictators
> with no real interest or passion for the job, intent on force-feeding kids
> someone else's shit from a textbook so they can spend half the lesson
> reading a fucking Jackie Collins book or someshit while the kids get on (I
> SAID SILENTLY!11!cunts!11)with exercise 7b from page 42, and squash any
> cunt
> who actually tries to engage with teh subject and turn their fucking
> rubbish
> lesson into something they might have to think about.
AWTWP. From your initial description of the music teacher, it sounded like
she was a different sort of teacher from this type.
I guess in my mind, sending you out of the class early showed humour,
honesty and understanding, and letting you get on with your own shit rather
than following an inappropriate lesson plan showed a bit of insight.
Although I'm not you, and she wasn't my teacher, so fuck it.
> For every ten teachers I had like her, I had one like Mr Robinson, one of
> my
> A-level English teachers, who actually liked the fact that I had
> opinions'n'shit. He loved it when kids started arguing with him or probed
> him on certain points, no matter how rubbish our reasoning or how
> poorly-constructed our arguments, because it meant we were taking a
> genuine
> interest and actually thinking about it rather than just memorising stuff
> and repeating it back to him with a biro. Half of his lesson plans went
> out
> the window after ten minutes because we'd all go off on tangents and start
> arguing'n'shit about the subject matter, and yet his grades were
> consistently better than most of the other teachers would get out of the
> same kids. What a surprise.
Yeah, see this is the sort of teacher I liked and respected. I guess I could
also see this sort of teacher sending someone who wasn't going to benefit
out of the lesson early on, and letting them do their own thing.
> Looking back, I can totally see how I was a pain in the arse for most
> teachers, I spent most of my time on the wrong side of all of them but
> never in a rebellious, hard-kid-who-gets-in-trouble-for-doing-bad-things
> kind of way. I was just harder work than most of them could be arsed with
> at that stage of their career.
I can identify with this web. I was also troublesome for a lot of my
teachers. Especially the ones who weren't too intelligent or resourceful and
who went into the profession because they like doing the same routine on a
yearly cycle, and taking lots of holiday.
> Heh. Me and this bass player used to write shit with a girl
> singer-songwriter at college, and she drove both of us mental because she
> never did the same thing even vaguely the same twice. That's a bit
> extreme
> though, and YPS.
Did you have a threesome?
>> Even within a non-sequenced recording, I like to notice the way things
>> feel slightly different. I *like* the sort of variance from rigid tempo
>> etc. that you find annoying.
>
> Err... yeah, because my record collection is about 60% sequenced beats?
> That'd be 40% of the music I love that I find annoying then, apparently.
Heh. Yeah, OK. My collection is probably about 15% sequenced beats itself,
in truth.
> This grossly misinterpreted web has been brought to you by Ben's
> loneliness and Joe's contentment, in conjunction with Flanahan's Flans.
> It's teh flan that can.
GPWM.
>> Oh yeah, because it annoyed because I'd keep thinking of stuff that I'd
>> have done more interestingly. Disregard.
>
> Which was highly impressive, of course. It's incredibly difficult to
> listen
> to something someone's spent forty or fifty hours on and think of a whole
> load more stuff that could have been done with more time and patience.
>
> 'Bleed Alone', OTOH, was very much the complete package and could only
> have
> been improved by a genius. Or a stoned, drunk idiot with a New Order mp3
> and a big pair of musical scissors.
What a happy coincidence. The timing worked out great, don't you think?
>>> RIPK.
>>
>> Oh believe me, I'd *love* to rupture his kidneys, but GIL obviously feels
>> for him, and such a display of violence and hatred it might mean I have
>> even less chance in the future.
>
> I think you should maybe start thinking about trying to get over this
> ridiculous infatuation with Goran Ivanisevic's leg. It's clearly not
> interested in you, give it a fucking rest.
Cunt.
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