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| race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864179] |
Sat, 25 February 2006 23:52 |
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4 miles, same course as three weeks ago (http://tinyurl.com/zeqw6).
Since then, 2 weeks of decent 50+ mile base training, then this week
I've had limited running, with the sort of tightness in my upper right
leg (piriformis especially) which has preceded injury in the past.
I had intended a slight cutback this week anyhow but took two days off
altogether and ran less the others. Did some self-massage and received
some therapist-massage. Need to get more diligent with the
self-massage, and add some sort of piriformis stretch to my routine,
now that I'm doing more faster running - I've been folding more quicker
stuff in already, and my 24 week schedule says after one more week of
base we begin reps, which also includes a smaller amount of
unstructured intervals and some tempo stuff.
So after 30 minutes of easy running, five or six strides, and a little
bit of very gentle stretching once warmed up, I felt hopefully loose
enough to give it my all without straining something. I had worn pants
over tights on the train ride up to Central Park and for my warmup.
Never ordinarily do this but figured I'd better try it to keep the legs
warm and loose. I think it helped. I removed the pants for the race,
and changed into IMO the prettiest pair of shoes worn by a male racer
today: http://www.holabirdsports.com/cgi-bin/product?product=042275
Lined up in much better position than the last time. There are banners
labelled 5, 6, 7 ... up to 11, for your predicted mile/min pace. The
vast majority line up further forward than they really run. I lined up
right at 6, figuring to average about 6:30. Reckoned this was a bit
further back than most 26:00 aspirants but as it turned out there were
a lot more guys (this race has separate heats for men and women)
between that 6 banner and the starting line than I realized, about 30
seconds worth once the gun fired. This worked out OK: many in front of
me were slower, but it just wasn't so many hundreds as last time and
didn't slow me down as much. I wasn't too worried about gun time -
certainly I don't compete for an AG place in these big races, placing
118th in M3039 today.
At the starting line there were four mats, one after the next. I
started my watch at the first, unsure which one concealed the "start"
sensors. Must've been a later mat since my official net time was 5"
faster than my watch. So my first mile split - 6:49 by my watch -
alarmed me a bit more than it might have. I picked it up a bit.
Then at the second mile I was a little alarmed again, now at having
made up nearly all the time I lost (vs. 26' pace) on the first mile.
Too fast? Maybe not: I was more aware this time that what came up in
the first mile went back down in the second.
Plotting the course just now (http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=38280)
helped clarify that the third mile doesn't just seem tougher because
it's the third mile, but also because it's more uphill than down. And
that third mile *was* tough once again, but I was relieved to finish it
under 6:30. I was only a few seconds off 26' pace, by my watch, at
this point.
Found I didn't really have another gear for the first half of mile 4,
but was able to take advantage of the negative slope of the latter half
and surpass my goal handily. Less of a kick left at the end but
neither did I die in the final mile. In fact I was a second faster in
this mile than last race - which also means slower vs. my overall pace
this time, but plenty good enough.
Here's the splits and results, three weeks ago vs. today.
05 Feb: 6:54 - 6:31 - 6:37 - 6:15 = 26:17, 66.8% WAVA
25 Feb: 6:44 - 6:18 - 6:27 - 6:14 = 25:43, 68.3% WAVA
Of course that represents a new 4M PR, and also a new WAVA high water
mark. I'm happy with that.
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864182 ] |
Sun, 26 February 2006 00:20 |
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Charlie Pendejo wrote:
> 4 miles, same course as three weeks ago (http://tinyurl.com/zeqw6).
[a great and detailed race report went here]
> Here's the splits and results, three weeks ago vs. today.
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> 05 Feb: 6:54 - 6:31 - 6:37 - 6:15 = 26:17, 66.8% WAVA
> 25 Feb: 6:44 - 6:18 - 6:27 - 6:14 = 25:43, 68.3% WAVA
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> Of course that represents a new 4M PR, and also a new WAVA high water
> mark. I'm happy with that.
Very, very nice job. And those shoes *are* lovely. I'm tempted to get a
pair.
Karen
--
live! vicariously!
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864187 ] |
Sun, 26 February 2006 01:40 |
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good work pendejo. i've actually never raced this 4 mile route and
it's a new thing the club is doing. i am curious as to how this route
compares to the traditional exclusive 4 mile course though.
a note worthy aspect to this race (that i see reflected daily in my
training in central park) is of the 4700+ runners in the race, there
were more women than men.
I sense this is a progressive trend going forward everywhere. more
women then men are running and racing. This looms as a hopeful sign
that even guys like Doug can come to the City and instead of paying
$200, he can simply enter a race and possibly get laid. Hope springs
eternal.
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864188 ] |
Sun, 26 February 2006 02:34 |
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On 2006-02-25, Charlie Pendejo <Charlie.Pendejo [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> 4 miles, same course as three weeks ago (http://tinyurl.com/zeqw6).
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> Since then, 2 weeks of decent 50+ mile base training, then this week
> I've had limited running, with the sort of tightness in my upper right
> leg (piriformis especially) which has preceded injury in the past.
Nice run and nice shoes too btw. That course follows the "hard-easy" rule.
Miles 1 and 3 are slow, because mile 1 is rolling and mile 3 has cat hill on
it. Miles 2 and 4 are fast.
Cheers,
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Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864189 ] |
Sun, 26 February 2006 03:20 |
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joe positive wrote:
> Very, very nice job.
Thanks for the encouraging words.
> And those shoes *are* lovely. I'm tempted to get a pair.
This time you can't have mine, so get your own. ;-)
FWIW, it seems to me they run a tad bigger than most - I wear 7.5 in
most street shoes, 8.5 in most Nike, Asics, Brooks, Saucony, and I got
8.5 in these but would choose 8.0 if there's a next pair.
No medial post, Donovan (who BTW was way the hell out in front of me -
2:16 faster - this morning), and the wife sez it's exactly 7 oz in size
8.5. I find them softer, I guess one might say less supportive, than
other flats. At just a hair lighter than the Fastwitch, they seem like
considerably less shoe.
Durability? They're holding up beautifully after 7.4 miles.
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864212 ] |
Sun, 26 February 2006 12:30 |
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have you ever ran this route donnie? which do you think is the faster
or more challenging, take it which way you want, route? i am used to
comfortably rabbiting the 72nd transverse up cat hill and hitting the 2
mi mark at the 102nd transverse at 12:04 - 12: 08 or so.....and then
summarily tanking on the rolling hills [at] mile 3.
on first blush, i think i would have faster times on this new 4 mi as
the most challenging part of the course for the runner i am comes at
the start & when i'm fresh & springy. i'd rather take on that singular
cat hill in mile 3 & flatten out than the rolling hills...seems less
stressful & fatiguing...whaddaya think?
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864214 ] |
Sun, 26 February 2006 12:56 |
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"Charlie Pendejo" <Charlie.Pendejo [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>changed into IMO the prettiest pair of shoes worn by a male racer
>today: http://www.holabirdsports.com/cgi-bin/product?product=042275
Did they go with the tights that's what I want to know. Looks like I shall
have to bring an extra suitcase to fill with shoes :-)
>I wasn't too worried about gun time -
>certainly I don't compete for an AG place in these big races, placing
>118th in M3039 today.
300th overall, yes? Well into top 10%, nice.
> 05 Feb: 6:54 - 6:31 - 6:37 - 6:15 = 26:17, 66.8% WAVA
> 25 Feb: 6:44 - 6:18 - 6:27 - 6:14 = 25:43, 68.3% WAVA
Complements of 3 weeks ago reiterated. You're getting good at this pacing
lark.
>Of course that represents a new 4M PR, and also a new WAVA high water
>mark. I'm happy with that.
Quite right too. Sub-25 after the speedwork eh?
PS You didn't say if Mrs P enjoyed her race (or indeed if she raced)?
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864215 ] |
Sun, 26 February 2006 13:00 |
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lanceandrew [at] aol.com wrote:
>have you ever ran this route donnie?
He did a 23:27 yesterday for 96th place overall.
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864216 ] |
Sun, 26 February 2006 13:02 |
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[previous copy canceled and resent]
Donovan Rebbechi <abuse [at] aol.com> wrote:
>Nice run
Yours doesn't look to sloppy either. About what you were expecting or not?
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864217 ] |
Sun, 26 February 2006 13:03 |
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<lanceandrew [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:1140914404.202491.80830 [at] v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> a note worthy aspect to this race (that i see reflected daily in my
> training in central park) is of the 4700+ runners in the race, there
> were more women than men.
>
> I sense this is a progressive trend going forward everywhere. more
> women then men are running and racing.
I agree. Of the 8-12 that show weekly 80% are females and all of those
are doing the 50k. The women have more moxy and dedication. Probably why
they get to bring in the children. Then again it may be my angelical
personality.
> This looms as a hopeful sign
> that even guys like Doug can come to the City and instead of paying
> $200, he can simply enter a race and possibly get laid.
I'm your basic philanthropist and would rather spend the money and
support a good cause. All this free stuff is just that free. Support
your local hookers!!!
-DF
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864219 ] |
Sun, 26 February 2006 14:23 |
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On 2006-02-26, lanceandrew [at] aol.com <lanceandrew [at] aol.com> wrote:
> have you ever ran this route donnie? which do you think is the faster
> or more challenging, take it which way you want, route? i am used to
> comfortably rabbiting the 72nd transverse up cat hill and hitting the 2
> mi mark at the 102nd transverse at 12:04 - 12: 08 or so.....and then
> summarily tanking on the rolling hills [at] mile 3.
>
> on first blush, i think i would have faster times on this new 4 mi as
> the most challenging part of the course for the runner i am comes at
> the start & when i'm fresh & springy. i'd rather take on that singular
> cat hill in mile 3 & flatten out than the rolling hills...seems less
> stressful & fatiguing...whaddaya think?
Doesn't think make a whole lot of difference for me -- I see them as
essentially the same course. The mile with Cat hill in it is very slow,
but the rolling hills are hard too.
Cheers,
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Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864220 ] |
Sun, 26 February 2006 14:25 |
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On 2006-02-26, steve common <stevenZ.common [at] wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> [previous copy canceled and resent]
> Donovan Rebbechi <abuse [at] aol.com> wrote:
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>>Nice run
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> Yours doesn't look to sloppy either. About what you were expecting or not?
My PR on that loop is 21:47, so I'm not quite in peak form right now. But
that's OK. I was coming off a two week rest, so I didn't really know what to
expect.
Cheers,
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Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864221 ] |
Sun, 26 February 2006 14:54 |
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......somewhat related point, the finish line is now commonly placed
60' or so immedately after a 90 degree left turn on the 102nd
transverse. was it like that again for this race?
this is a new introduction/invention w/the club in '05....and it never
used to be like this. i was told by some people this was done to brake
finishes. have you heard this donnie?
it would be easy to start races 60' back...and thus accomodate a
straight shot finish. this is how the races used to be and i loved it
because it allowed a focused head down straight shot sprint to the the
finish.
The finishes at the 72nd transverse & Taverne on the Green are uphill
and thus have their own natural braking/slowing down of runners based
on the topology.
I actually wonder if it's not possibly more dangerous to have this
finish for the competitive runners. why? you're sprinting straight to
the finish...good solid head of steam going....only to have to
negotiate a 90 degree turn for the final 50'-60'. The turn itself at
the speeds of these runners is ill-advised and asking for an injury.
As I've not been able to race for months, I've watched the finishes of
quite a few races...and the design effectively "retards" the finish.
I've seen top runners treat the corner prior to the turn as the ending
point of "racing"....and that corner/turn being something you simply
have to brake for and safely negotiate at these speeds....and "mail in"
the final 50-60 feet simply holding your position.
That's what it looks like when you're watching finishes of the top
runners. Anyway I've been told it's an intentional braking strategy
for the finish.
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864223 ] |
Sun, 26 February 2006 15:30 |
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steve common wrote:
> 300th overall, yes? Well into top 10%, nice.
And a considerably worse place than last race, this one I guess being a
team pointer and bringing out the likes of DR. That's fine with me;
after a few more years of aerobic base building, speedwork, and racing
experience maybe I'll contend for AG awards at little races in
Middle-of-Nowhere, Iowa or Podunk, NY or Helsinki, Finland; but there's
just too damn much talent at the big races here.
> PS You didn't say if Mrs P enjoyed her race (or indeed if she raced)?
She did, and did. I thank you on her behalf for asking.
At this point she's there for the experience and relatively
uninterested in establishing the fastest PRs possible - plus the 4
miles is just about her long run to date. So she made a few friends
out there, and finished slower than she might have after jogging in
place for a couple minutes to allow one of her starting-line companions
- a woman at her first race, recovering from a respiratory infection
and unsure of completing the race - to catch up, and then pacing her
the rest of the way.
I'd initially declined to mention her experience out of an instinct to
protect her privacy, since that's not a respected commodity here.
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864224 ] |
Sun, 26 February 2006 15:30 |
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steve common wrote:
1> Your's doesn't look to sloppy ...
2> Yours doesn't look to sloppy ...
third time's the charm: "Yours doesn't look too sloppy ..." ;-p
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864227 ] |
Sun, 26 February 2006 16:28 |
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>I'd initially declined to mention her experience out of an instinct to
protect her privacy, since that's not a respected commodity here.
___
amusing, complaining about not enjoying a "respected commodity" while
you benefit, hide in, and enjoy the respected commodity of white
privilege. pathetic.
Why the swipe at me Charles? Was it necessary? I had buried the
hatchet, went back to refering to you exclusively in your chosen
character "Pendejo". I even congratulated you on your result in your
race. These are facts for all to see. Was that not clear to you? It
was clear to Doug, Donovan, Steven Common, and everyone else. You've
chosen to ressurrect this Charles.....why?
Why could you not sustain and maintain "letting it go" as I have?
That matter was "buried" with me Charles. I had moved on, that's
clear, and your fellow white privileged newsgroup friends will affirm
that...it's undeniable. Was what I did not enough?
After I tolerated 1) your talk, 2) your cowardly posture, 3) your
hiding in the white privilege this newgroup embraces & extends to
you.....after all this i took the high road, after all this, I let it
go. But you could not avoid but take another swipe could you Charles?
Why would you ressurrect this? Pendejo is dead. You are Charles
Anderson from this day going forward. Blame yourself. If the white
people on this newsgroup are honest with themeselves....regardless of
what they think of me, they will concede and admit I made a good faith
effort to "let it go" and "move on". What have you done Charles?
After I take the high road, you take a swipe. These are the
indisputable and clear facts Charles.
However white privilege will excuse and protect you once again Charles.
I am sure TKB, Doug, etc are unwilling to view the facts and say,
"Lance let it go and moved on, Charles chose to ressurrect it with a
swipe".
I am not going to let it go again Charles. And when you wonder why I
choose to recognize you by your name and not character.....remind
yourself that when I "let it go" and "moved on".....you were not
willing to do the same and had to get in a swipe.
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864229 ] |
Sun, 26 February 2006 16:31 |
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"Charlie Pendejo" <Charlie.Pendejo [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>third time's the charm: "Yours doesn't look too sloppy ..." ;-p
Awwwww fuggid :-) I'd spotted it toooooo but forgot to bloody change it.
Time I went for a run to blow the dust and cobwebs out of what's left of
my brain ;-)
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864245 ] |
Sun, 26 February 2006 22:49 |
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lance wrote:
> Why the swipe at me Charles? Was it necessary?
You're correct, it was unnecessary and I am sorry to have brought it
up. My apologies.
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864260 ] |
Mon, 27 February 2006 03:11 |
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"Charlie Pendejo" <Charlie.Pendejo [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1140907968.949188.3550 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>...
> So after 30 minutes of easy running, five or six strides, and a little
> bit of very gentle stretching once warmed up, I felt hopefully loose
> enough to give it my all without straining something. I had worn pants
> over tights on the train ride up to Central Park and for my warmup.
> Never ordinarily do this but figured I'd better try it to keep the legs
> warm and loose. I think it helped...
Good idea keeping the legs warm. Recently I often wear two pairs of running
pants to help keep the muscles warm (should have also worn wind pants
today). It sure helps things stay loose, and fairly even layering over the
whole body seems to work better for cooling / staying warm etc.
>...
> Here's the splits and results, three weeks ago vs. today.
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> 05 Feb: 6:54 - 6:31 - 6:37 - 6:15 = 26:17, 66.8% WAVA
> 25 Feb: 6:44 - 6:18 - 6:27 - 6:14 = 25:43, 68.3% WAVA
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> Of course that represents a new 4M PR, and also a new WAVA high water
> mark. I'm happy with that.
Nice race Charlie. Moving right up to that 70% marker. Nice to see you
focusing on something measurable and competitive before you get seduced into
the trail/ultra underworld - as seems to have happened to Phil M.
-Tony
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864262 ] |
Mon, 27 February 2006 03:35 |
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Tony S. wrote:
> Nice race Charlie.
Thanks, Tony.
> Nice to see you focusing on something measurable and competitive
> before you get seduced into the trail/ultra underworld - as seems to
> have happened to Phil M.
Ha! I'd be very happy indeed to become the runner Phil has.
And in many respects I think Phil's more into "measurable" than I.
"Competitive", I ain't touching. Trail ultra underworld? Absolutely,
its gravity will get me too. An eventual escape from New York will no
doubt hasten my degeneration.
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864267 ] |
Mon, 27 February 2006 04:40 |
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On 26 Feb 2006 18:35:33 -0800, "bosshogg" <chuck718 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>Ha! I'd be very happy indeed to become the runner Phil has.
Yes, butt could you take the long drunken nights of anal sex?
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864272 ] |
Mon, 27 February 2006 08:11 |
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Charlie Pendejo wrote:
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> So after 30 minutes of easy running, five or six strides, and a little
> bit of very gentle stretching once warmed up, I felt hopefully loose
> enough to give it my all without straining something. I had worn pants
> over tights on the train ride up to Central Park and for my warmup.
> Never ordinarily do this but figured I'd better try it to keep the legs
> warm and loose. I think it helped.
FWIW, I know I've found I may be comfortable with fewer layers on legs,
but my muscles are more fluid and I run much better if my legs are
warmer than just comfortable - but that's me. One or two times a year, I
may end up with overly warm legs, but have cold legs more times than that.
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> Here's the splits and results, three weeks ago vs. today.
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> 05 Feb: 6:54 - 6:31 - 6:37 - 6:15 = 26:17, 66.8% WAVA
> 25 Feb: 6:44 - 6:18 - 6:27 - 6:14 = 25:43, 68.3% WAVA
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> Of course that represents a new 4M PR, and also a new WAVA high water
> mark. I'm happy with that.
Congratulations on a really nice race, Charlie. Looks like the training
and experience are paying off! Nice report.
But were there any snowflakes?? ;)
Dot
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"Remorse - a good trail always makes you feel sorry that it is over no
matter how tired you are" - Matt Carpenter
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864284 ] |
Mon, 27 February 2006 14:52 |
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> my muscles are more fluid and I run much better if my legs are warmer than
> just comfortable
Yeah, it may bear experimentation on my part. Experimentation to see how it
works for me, at what temperatures and winds, and also experimentation to
see if I can overcome the notion that a "serious" male runner wears shorts
down until the cold threatens to put an end to his fatherhood potential, and
only then reluctantly dons a single pair of tights or pants.
> Congratulations on a really nice race, Charlie. Looks like the
> training and experience are paying off! Nice report.
>
> But were there any snowflakes?? ;)
Thanks, Dot!
The wife reports that there were a couple dozen snowflakes during the
ladies' race, which started an hour after the dudes'. I missed 'em: between
her start and finish, I was inside enjoying hot cocoa and tolerating an
untoasted bagel (NYRR tradition, but it seems so un-New York, and it's a
serious challenge to your jaw muscles until you think to dunk the thing...),
out of the cold which probably seemed all the fiercer for the mildness we've
enjoyed most of this season.
BTW, I'd intended to mention that the gentleman for whom the race is named
is a 104 year old NYRR board member and benefactor, long-time NYRR fixture.
His recipe for longevity: "keep moving". Here's one little bio from 2004:
http://www.ivyleaguesports.com/article.asp?intID=3719
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864302 ] |
Mon, 27 February 2006 17:36 |
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Congrats on the good race, Charlie! A PR and new higher WAVA is
quite an accomplishment. Legs feeling OK? Hopefully that piriformis
is not doing anything I hope? Thanks for the report!
Teresa in AZ
Charlie Pendejo wrote:
> 4 miles, same course as three weeks ago (http://tinyurl.com/zeqw6).
>
> Found I didn't really have another gear for the first half of mile 4,
> but was able to take advantage of the negative slope of the latter half
> and surpass my goal handily. Less of a kick left at the end but
> neither did I die in the final mile. In fact I was a second faster in
> this mile than last race - which also means slower vs. my overall pace
> this time, but plenty good enough.
>
> Here's the splits and results, three weeks ago vs. today.
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> 05 Feb: 6:54 - 6:31 - 6:37 - 6:15 = 26:17, 66.8% WAVA
> 25 Feb: 6:44 - 6:18 - 6:27 - 6:14 = 25:43, 68.3% WAVA
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> Of course that represents a new 4M PR, and also a new WAVA high water
> mark. I'm happy with that.
>
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864336 ] |
Mon, 27 February 2006 23:13 |
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"bosshogg" <chuck718 [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141007733.767810.50160 [at] e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> Trail ultra underworld? Absolutely,
A man with real gonads!! :)
> its gravity will get me too. An eventual escape from New York will no
> doubt hasten my degeneration.
Escape from NY, nah. We have lots of ultra geeks. Get the lobotomy
today and join up! ;)
-DF
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864371 ] |
Tue, 28 February 2006 05:54 |
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Doug Freese wrote:
> Escape from NY, nah. We have lots of ultra geeks.
Ah, well now you're talking about the state which happens to have the same
name. They ought to rename it: it's too confusing for this big beautiful
state to share a name with the city with which it's got nearly nothing else
in common.
> Get the lobotomy today and join up! ;)
How about I just set a bottle in front of me, instead? ;-)
Anyhow I'm pretty booked up with road racing for 2006, the trails and ultras
gotta wait until 07.
In the meantime I'll be paying close attention to anything Phil, especially,
writes as he makes the transition.
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864378 ] |
Tue, 28 February 2006 07:48 |
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Doug Freese wrote:
> "bosshogg" <chuck718 [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1141007733.767810.50160 [at] e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
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>>Trail ultra underworld? Absolutely,
>
>
> A man with real gonads!! :)
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>>its gravity will get me too. An eventual escape from New York will no
>>doubt hasten my degeneration.
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> Escape from NY, nah. We have lots of ultra geeks.
That's why they're up here racing now? ;) (a couple PA runners in there
also)
I forgot to ask you what Alicja looks like or whether you knew her by
reputation only. Most people were holed up in inside out of the snow
until just before the race so I didn't get to see as many gear setups as
normal.
http://www.alaskaultrasport.com/RESULTS.htm
List of modes of competition (foot, bike, ski) are at bottom of
http://www.alaskaultrasport.com/LATEST%20NEWS..html
It'll be interesting to see how many actually try for Nome, versus
stopping at McGrath. They have some challenging conditions.
Dot
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"Remorse - a good trail always makes you feel sorry that it is over no
matter how tired you are" - Matt Carpenter
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864391 ] |
Tue, 28 February 2006 12:33 |
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"Charlie Pendejo" <charlie.pendejo [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141102491.986222 [at] nntp.acecape.com...
> Ah, well now you're talking about the state which happens to have the
> same name. They ought to rename it: it's too confusing for this big
> beautiful state to share a name with the city with which it's got
> nearly nothing else in common.
You can join the Canadian separatists and create your own countr under
visa control. ;)
>> Get the lobotomy today and join up! ;)
>
> How about I just set a bottle in front of me, instead? ;-)
If it hasn't been there for while you best get into training. Hooch and
distance is the a house and carriage.
> Anyhow I'm pretty booked up with road racing for 2006, the trails and
> ultras gotta wait until 07.
Unless you want to travel further I would aim for the HAT 50k in
Maryland in March. You can do 100% of your training in the winter on the
roads and still do the race. If you can find some open(non snow and ice)
trails it will help a little. There is also a local FAT ASS 50k just
90 miles north in January. It's a 5k park road loop that you can do 1-10
times.
> In the meantime I'll be paying close attention to anything Phil,
> especially, writes as he makes the transition.
And I'll be watching Phil also to make sure he doesn't go nuts!
-DougF
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864393 ] |
Tue, 28 February 2006 12:58 |
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"Dot" <dot.h [at] #duh?att.net> wrote in message
news:%mSMf.15785$Zw.13913 [at] bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> I forgot to ask you what Alicja looks like or whether you knew her by
> reputation only.
I saw her every lap although I did not know about her until after the
race. She appeared tall(at least 5'10"), lean, dark hair. She ran in
solid black top and bottom with a very serious look from the first lap.
What stood out for me was her poor form. She ran with an almost
exaggerated bend at the waist(not pose). She was wearing a small camel
back but her lean was way more then compensation for weight. I know
looks are subjective but she was not attractive almost masculine. I
doubt this helps much unless you can get close to see her form.
She was in front of us for about 7-8 laps and then came apart big time.
She ended up about 40 minutes behind us and we were doing a training
run. I can only assume she was having a bad day or went out too fast
thinking it was a short race. Since this is such a low profile early(in
the race season) give a shit race, people come to run for variety
reasons and try different techniques.
-DougF
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| Re: race report: Al Gordon Snowflake 4M [message #864442 ] |
Tue, 28 February 2006 20:16 |
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Doug Freese wrote:
> "Dot" <dot.h [at] #duh?att.net> wrote in message
> news:%mSMf.15785$Zw.13913 [at] bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
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>>I forgot to ask you what Alicja looks like or whether you knew her by
>>reputation only.
>
>
>
> I saw her every lap although I did not know about her until after the
> race. She appeared tall(at least 5'10"), lean, dark hair. She ran in
> solid black top and bottom with a very serious look from the first lap.
> What stood out for me was her poor form.
Nothing stands out, and she has made it farther than some already. There
seemed to be many bikers this time, and non-bikers were almost lost in
the crowd. (Plus many of the people I knew doing it are bikers.) But
some of the bikers are also runners, just not for this race.
Here's a better link to follow progess (probably 3+ wks for runners
heading to Nome) since it has the mode of competition on it, but you
still need main web page for actual locations - where they are with
respect to Rainy Pass across the Alaska Range being more significant
than mileage:
http://www.sleepmonsters.com/racereport.php?page_action=lea& amp;race_id=2458
Click on "race reports" in upper left box (Reporting On) provides a
little more detail than the official web page, but only a little. As you
might suspect, communications are limited, so when a connection is made,
a whole bunch of catching up is done, then maybe nothing for 12-24 hrs.
"Live" results are, well, when they can get through.
Dot
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"Remorse - a good trail always makes you feel sorry that it is over no
matter how tired you are" - Matt Carpenter
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