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| Avoiding leg cramps [message #863626] |
Sun, 19 February 2006 03:46 |
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I ran my first marathon Dec. 11, 2005 (Dallas, White Rock). All was
good until mile 18, where leg cramps started. I was able to complete
the marathon, although not in the 4:30 I hoped for. I did stay hydrated
(water and Gaterade), had enrgy gells as well. At 6'1", 220 lbs, are
cramps something I will have to deal with, or is there something I can
do to avoid them?
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #863628 ] |
Sun, 19 February 2006 03:50 |
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sjbright3 [at] coolaccess.net wrote:
> I ran my first marathon Dec. 11, 2005 (Dallas, White Rock). All was
> good until mile 18, where leg cramps started. I was able to complete
> the marathon, although not in the 4:30 I hoped for. I did stay hydrated
> (water and Gaterade), had enrgy gells as well. At 6'1", 220 lbs, are
> cramps something I will have to deal with, or is there something I can
> do to avoid them?
It could be lack of enough electrolytes or sodium. However, I think the
solution may be in your training. How many long runs did you do that were
longer than 18 miles?
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Phil M.
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #863629 ] |
Sun, 19 February 2006 03:58 |
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I did a long run every 3 weeks, starting with 16 miles. The last long
run was 26 1/3 miles about 4 week before the marathon. However my
weekly mileage was in the 30 mile/week ballpark I only went over 40
miles 1 week.
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #863630 ] |
Sun, 19 February 2006 04:04 |
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On 18 Feb 2006 18:46:23 -0800, "codehammer" <sjbright3 [at] coolaccess.net>
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>I ran my first marathon Dec. 11, 2005 (Dallas, White Rock). All was
>good until mile 18, where leg cramps started. I was able to complete
>the marathon, although not in the 4:30 I hoped for. I did stay hydrated
>(water and Gaterade), had enrgy gells as well. At 6'1", 220 lbs, are
>cramps something I will have to deal with, or is there something I can
>do to avoid them?
Lance? Lance? Is that you????
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #863641 ] |
Sun, 19 February 2006 13:06 |
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"codehammer" <sjbright3 [at] coolaccess.net> wrote in message
news:1140317919.530792.238490 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I did a long run every 3 weeks, starting with 16 miles. The last long
> run was 26 1/3 miles about 4 week before the marathon. However my
> weekly mileage was in the 30 mile/week ballpark I only went over 40
> miles 1 week.
I would guess low mileage and some dehydration as Phil suggested.
Personally, I like the fact that your long run 26 miles but others will
say more than needed. I say if your body can take the distance without
injury, then all is well. Having averaged only 30 per week is light. The
cramps can be a mixture of dehydration and low mileage. How about pace?
Did you get carried away in the early miles and burn too much glycogen
and bonked. How about temp? All anyone can do is guess.
-DougF
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #863649 ] |
Sun, 19 February 2006 14:34 |
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hamburger
good because maybe the knife he put in my back have justice one day....
or steel........
see you soon!
:) Biking year round:)
:) Hiking year round:)
:) Trails are so cool:)
:>) What else is there?:>)
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #863651 ] |
Sun, 19 February 2006 14:40 |
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Re: Avoiding leg cramps
Personally, I like the fact that your long run 26 miles but others will
say more than needed. I say if your body can take the distance without
injury, then all is well.
and bonked. How about temp? All anyone can do is guess.
My view is this:
a druggie. a pervert and a guy who wears dressa and silk under stuff...
It like all you guys here are.
room temp. then the race. and I am....
psy-co....see you soon!
:) Biking year round:)
:) Hiking year round:)
:) Trails are so cool:)
:>) What else is there?:>)
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #863661 ] |
Sun, 19 February 2006 17:10 |
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PSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSYCHO
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:40:53 -0500, CoffeeTime101 [at] webtv.net (Coffee
Time) wrote:
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>Re: Avoiding leg cramps
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>Personally, I like the fact that your long run 26 miles but others will
>say more than needed. I say if your body can take the distance without
>injury, then all is well.
>and bonked. How about temp? All anyone can do is guess.
>
>My view is this:
>a druggie. a pervert and a guy who wears dressa and silk under stuff...
>It like all you guys here are.
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>room temp. then the race. and I am....
>psy-co....see you soon!
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> :) Biking year round:)
> :) Hiking year round:)
> :) Trails are so cool:)
> :>) What else is there?:>)
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #863664 ] |
Sun, 19 February 2006 17:10 |
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PSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSYCHO
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:34:53 -0500, CoffeeTime101 [at] webtv.net (Coffee
Time) wrote:
>hamburger
>good because maybe the knife he put in my back have justice one day....
>or steel........
>see you soon!
>
> :) Biking year round:)
> :) Hiking year round:)
> :) Trails are so cool:)
> :>) What else is there?:>)
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #863667 ] |
Sun, 19 February 2006 17:15 |
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Thank you, pace is slow, 9 - 11 minutes/mile. Slower as the miles add
up. Also using the Jeff Galloway approach, run a mile, then walk a
minute.
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #863669 ] |
Sun, 19 February 2006 17:24 |
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On 19 Feb 2006 08:15:07 -0800, "codehammer" <sjbright3 [at] coolaccess.net>
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>Thank you, pace is slow, 9 - 11 minutes/mile. Slower as the miles add
>up. Also using the Jeff Galloway approach, run a mile, then walk a
>minute.
Jeff Galloway liked it up the arse.
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #863671 ] |
Sun, 19 February 2006 17:36 |
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"codehammer" <sjbright3 [at] coolaccess.net> wrote
>I ran my first marathon Dec. 11, 2005 (Dallas, White Rock). All was
> good until mile 18, where leg cramps started. I was able to complete
> the marathon, although not in the 4:30 I hoped for. I did stay hydrated
> (water and Gaterade), had enrgy gells as well. At 6'1", 220 lbs, are
> cramps something I will have to deal with, or is there something I can
> do to avoid them?
If your cramps were affecting more than a single muscle (eg, both sides, if
you stop and stretch, something else cramps, if you feel funny pre-cramp
twinges in other places, etc), then you are dehydrated.
It took me a couple of years to figure it out. I would cramp on longer
races typically after 3.5 - 5 hours, especially in hot or humid conditions.
After one particularly bad race, I weighed myself after I had to walk in
because of cramps. I had lost about 8 lbs (and I started at 152 lbs).
You say you stayed hydrated, but did you weigh yourself before and after the
race? I have downed quarts of liquid in long races and still have come up
5-8 lbs light at the end.
The proof that it is hydration is this (if this sounds too simple to be
true):
Next time it happens, stop and drink 30+ ounces of fluid. Take a couple of
salt tablets (I use succeed brand), too. Start walking. If you can begin
to jog again without cramps, that was it. When this has happened to me in
races, as little as 20oz chugged quickly with salt has ended them within 2-3
minutes. Don't try and jog through the cramps -- that causes muscle damage.
If you rip yourself up, the water will stop the cramps, but not the pain
from running on shredded muscles.
You are a big guy, with a high BMI (look it up). The higher the BMI, the
higher the heat load (less surface area per weight). So you run hotter than
the skinny ones. So you sweat more. In addition, you may have a high sweat
rate to boot.
Next race, weigh yourself before and after, take into account how much you
drank during, and determine your sweating rate (under that set of
conditions -- temp, humdity). I need about 40oz/hour when racing in 65
degrees when its humid, for example.
Finally, you need to replace salt if you're going to be drinking more than a
quart or two of fluid in a race. To the tune of 1 gram of sodium/liter
(about 2/3 tsp of pure salt per quart). This is the amount of salt in your
sweat. Without salt replacement, your sodium concentration declines. When
that happens:
You sweat less (and overheat).
You drink and the fluid sloshes around in your stomach instead of being
absorbed.
(it sloshes around because you need to pump sodium into your stomach in
order to absorb water. When your body is low on it, it suppresses this
process to conserve your plasma sodium concentration)
You feel queasy, and may not even want to drink.
In extreme cases you can get Hyponatremia and it will kill you. (rare).
So you get a vicious cycle of your body needing water, yet you feel queasy
and it won't absorb. The solution is to take a Succeed tablet for every
pint or two you drink during a long race. Salt with water enables your
stomach to absorb a 20 oz bottle in 2-4 minutes.
NFI in Succeed, salt, or water...
-- Dan
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #863675 ] |
Sun, 19 February 2006 18:24 |
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Thank you for such a thorough reply!! I may have been dehydrated even
though I felt that I drank plenty of fluid. Perhaps increase fluid
intake, alternating water and sports drink. You're right, sweat
heavily; is salt really the answer, sounds very 'old school'. As far as
BMI, not a real fan. True, 6'1", 220 boarders on obesity according to
BMI, but I have a 35" waist?
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #863677 ] |
Sun, 19 February 2006 18:31 |
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sjbright3 [at] coolaccess.net wrote:
> Thank you for such a thorough reply!! I may have been dehydrated even
> though I felt that I drank plenty of fluid. Perhaps increase fluid
> intake, alternating water and sports drink. You're right, sweat
> heavily; is salt really the answer, sounds very 'old school'. As far as
> BMI, not a real fan. True, 6'1", 220 boarders on obesity according to
> BMI, but I have a 35" waist?
But you still have a high BMI, whether it's fat or solid muscle. A high BMI
will impact your running and your hydration and ability to acclimate to
running in hot/humid conditions.
--
Phil M.
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #863684 ] |
Sun, 19 February 2006 20:18 |
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Did you do anything different during your three training runs-
different speed?, different surface?, different hydration?
The clue might be in that.
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #863692 ] |
Sun, 19 February 2006 22:06 |
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"codehammer" <sjbright3 [at] coolaccess.net> wrote:
> is salt really the answer, sounds very 'old school'.
<personal opinion not shared by all here>
For most westerners, there's way more salt than needed in everyday food.
So, unless you were poorly fed beforehand, there's no use popping salt
caps during a marathon - unless it's in the desert and you're taking 6
hours to finish or something wild.
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #863702 ] |
Mon, 20 February 2006 00:31 |
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"steve common" <stevenZ.common [at] wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:r3nhv119mih82l5l86os0sjuek4sj22984 [at] 4ax.com...
> "codehammer" <sjbright3 [at] coolaccess.net> wrote:
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>> is salt really the answer, sounds very 'old school'.
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> <personal opinion not shared by all here>
> For most westerners, there's way more salt than needed in everyday food.
> So, unless you were poorly fed beforehand, there's no use popping salt
> caps during a marathon - unless it's in the desert and you're taking 6
> hours to finish or something wild.
True to a point -- that point being when you sweat more than a couple of
pounds (32 oz), imo. We do carry around excess salt. This is why nobody is
saying take a salt tablet during your hour run. But if you're out there
pounding ground for 4+ hours, it does make a difference. I personally don't
worry about it unless I'm going to be drinking more than a quart.
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #863703 ] |
Mon, 20 February 2006 00:54 |
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"codehammer" <sjbright3 [at] coolaccess.net> wrote
> Thank you for such a thorough reply!! I may have been dehydrated even
> though I felt that I drank plenty of fluid. Perhaps increase fluid
> intake, alternating water and sports drink. You're right, sweat
> heavily; is salt really the answer, sounds very 'old school'.
When I was racing all the time 20 yrs ago, the conventional wisdom (in
Runners World, of course) was that your body has so much salt stored in it
that you're not going to need any for a mere marathon. We know more now.
People have died running 6 hour marathons, drinking copiously (even
excessively), and taking no salt. The combination of a couple of lbs of
excess drinking (dilution of salt in the body) and a lot of sweating (salt
loss) can kill you.
> As far as
> BMI, not a real fan. True, 6'1", 220 boarders on obesity according to
> BMI, but I have a 35" waist?
If you're a muscular high BMI guy, then you create even more heat ('cause
muscle creates heat even when relaxed). It's just physics, (heat generated
versus surface area). I wasn't making any judgements on your fitness, etc.
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #863755 ] |
Mon, 20 February 2006 16:37 |
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Your talking about about sodium.
The pundits talk about electrolytes. Potassium deficiencies
can be just as debilitatiing. The average American diet isnt
that great in potassium. Many fruit have good potassium
content.
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #863775 ] |
Mon, 20 February 2006 19:12 |
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rick303 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
> Potassium deficiencies can be just as debilitatiing. The average
> American diet isnt that great in potassium. Many fruit have good
> potassium content.
Most food labels don't even list potassium. It makes it hard to know what
you're getting.
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Phil M.
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #863804 ] |
Tue, 21 February 2006 04:14 |
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"I wasn't making any judgements on your fitness, etc. " Yes, thanks,
BMI is a sore point with my doc and I.
Thanks for the advice.
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #863972 ] |
Thu, 23 February 2006 23:11 |
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I had cramps at WR too starting around mile 20 on Swiss Ave. I ran 4 20
mile training runs leading up to it including Chicago in October. I cramped
there too and I believe it is nutrition related. The temperature was
perfect at WR. The thing I'm gonna try in my next race which is a 50k trail
run is to take in more salt during the run. I tried to rely on gel and
powerade and that just doesn't do it for me.
Good luck in your next race.
Dennis
"codehammer" <sjbright3 [at] coolaccess.net> wrote in message
news:1140317183.837510.151000 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>I ran my first marathon Dec. 11, 2005 (Dallas, White Rock). All was
> good until mile 18, where leg cramps started. I was able to complete
> the marathon, although not in the 4:30 I hoped for. I did stay hydrated
> (water and Gaterade), had enrgy gells as well. At 6'1", 220 lbs, are
> cramps something I will have to deal with, or is there something I can
> do to avoid them?
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #864003 ] |
Fri, 24 February 2006 13:12 |
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"Dennis Cox" <dennis_coxremove [at] removeverizon.net> wrote in message
news:xqqLf.16622$GQ.15490 [at] trnddc03...
>I had cramps at WR too starting around mile 20 on Swiss Ave. I ran 4
>20 mile training runs leading up to it including Chicago in October. I
>cramped there too and I believe it is nutrition related. The
>temperature was perfect at WR. The thing I'm gonna try in my next race
>which is a 50k trail run is to take in more salt during the run. I
>tried to rely on gel and powerade and that just doesn't do it for me.
At least trails races have aid stations with salt, drinks and food.
-DF
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #864046 ] |
Fri, 24 February 2006 19:02 |
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steve common wrote:
> "codehammer" <sjbright3 [at] coolaccess.net> wrote:
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> > is salt really the answer, sounds very 'old school'.
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> <personal opinion not shared by all here>
> For most westerners, there's way more salt than needed in everyday food.
> So, unless you were poorly fed beforehand, there's no use popping salt
> caps during a marathon - unless it's in the desert and you're taking 6
> hours to finish or something wild.
Our diet may have excess salt (mine used to), but the body is pretty
eficient at removing excess. So I don't think a salty meal the night
before is going to result in a significant salt reserve the next
morning. It's not like it accumulates in the body.
But I'm not sure how strongly I disagree with the conclusion that salt
tablets are not needed.
with the research supposedly done when gaterade was initially created,
I wonder why the elctrolyte concentrations aren't closer to our body
levels.
ed.
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #864048 ] |
Fri, 24 February 2006 19:19 |
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Ed Prochak wrote:
> with the research supposedly done when gaterade was initially created,
> I wonder why the elctrolyte concentrations aren't closer to our body
> levels.
Because it would be undrinkable!
Tim
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #864053 ] |
Fri, 24 February 2006 20:22 |
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Tim Downie wrote:
> Ed Prochak wrote:
>> with the research supposedly done when gaterade was initially created,
>> I wonder why the elctrolyte concentrations aren't closer to our body
>> levels.
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> Because it would be undrinkable!
FWIW, I don't find their "endurance formula" with twice the salt to be
any more or less drinkable than the original recipe. At least, not
when drinking a few oz at a time during road races.
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #864058 ] |
Fri, 24 February 2006 20:35 |
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"Ed Prochak" <edprochak [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1140804168.533740.214400 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> with the research supposedly done when gaterade was initially created,
> I wonder why the elctrolyte concentrations aren't closer to our body
> levels.
Ed, because it would taste like shit and no one would drink it and thus
not buy it and therefore not make money and piss of the stockholders.
Keep it cheap and sweet and it sells. 'Tis the American way.
-Doug
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #864062 ] |
Fri, 24 February 2006 21:51 |
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"Charlie Pendejo" <bosshogg [at] acedsl.com> wrote in message
news:1140808939.952673.259020 [at] e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> Tim Downie wrote:
>> Ed Prochak wrote:
>>> with the research supposedly done when gaterade was initially
>>> created,
>>> I wonder why the elctrolyte concentrations aren't closer to our body
>>> levels.
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>> Because it would be undrinkable!
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> FWIW, I don't find their "endurance formula" with twice the salt to be
> any more or less drinkable than the original recipe. At least, not
> when drinking a few oz at a time during road races.
But it still doesn't have enough. It's still is the same old crap with
just a hint more salt.
-DF
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #864098 ] |
Sat, 25 February 2006 05:39 |
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Doug Freese wrote:
> "Ed Prochak" <edprochak [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1140804168.533740.214400 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > with the research supposedly done when gaterade was initially created,
> > I wonder why the elctrolyte concentrations aren't closer to our body
> > levels.
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> Ed, because it would taste like shit and no one would drink it and thus
> not buy it and therefore not make money and piss of the stockholders.
> Keep it cheap and sweet and it sells. 'Tis the American way.
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> -Doug
I thought gaterade was formulated to help their football team play
better. Marketting to America was an afterthought.
The concentration seems to me would be close to the salty tase of
blood. Not a great taste, but it it isn't barf time. Then again, a few
drops of blood from a cut lip might not represent the taste of several
mouthfulls.
Tim might have references to studies, but I haven't tasted anything
with the concentration like that AFAIK. What would the salt level be?
Saltier than say pickle juice?
Maybe that's the solution, rather than sugar, add seasonings.
<fake ad>
.... and our new GATROLYTE, besides isotonic electrolytes levels for
sodium, potasium, and calcium,
has two great new tastes: Kosher Dill !! and
for those cold winter months: Ceyanne Pepper !!
It gives you the balance your body needs with a taste your mouth will
crave.
Avaible soon at...
<end fake ad>
Really my question is has any body TRIED it? I don't know, but I don't
think it necessarily is bad tasting.
As my wife likes to point out: you didn't know if you liked chocolate
until you tried it.
Ed
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #864111 ] |
Sat, 25 February 2006 09:56 |
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On 24 Feb 2006 20:39:37 -0800, "Ed Prochak" <edprochak [at] gmail.com>
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>As my wife likes to point out: you didn't know if you liked chocolate
>until you tried it.
> Ed
She still running around 380lbs Ed?
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #864120 ] |
Sat, 25 February 2006 12:46 |
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"Ed Prochak" <edprochak [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>Tim might have references to studies, but I haven't tasted anything
>with the concentration like that AFAIK. What would the salt level be?
>Saltier than say pickle juice?
Blood plasma has a lot more salt than Gatorade I think, something like
3200mg/l (140mmol/l at 23g/mol is that right anybody)?
Gatorade is
Sodium 464 mg/l
Potassium 127 mg/l
Carbs 59000 mg/l
By comparison, the Sodium content (mostly as bicarbonate) of Vichy
Saint-Yorre sparkling mineral water is a lot higher.
Sodium 1708 mg/l
Bicarb 4368 mg/l
Potassium 132 mg/l.
Calcium 90 mg/l
Magnesium 11 mg/l
which is why it gets used a lot by athletes over here, specially in
Summer. It's salty but nothing like a mouthful of pickle juice :-)
I put energy drink powder in it to get an after-workout recovery drink and
for carbo loading before marathons. I often use the water alone as my
morning "top-up" fluid before shorter races.
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #864121 ] |
Sat, 25 February 2006 12:46 |
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"Ed Prochak" <edprochak [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1140842377.035723.266380 [at] e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> I thought gaterade was formulated to help their football team play
> better. Marketting to America was an afterthought.
I'm not sure of their motivation for the new formula other than pure
maraketing with an endurance angle. With the additional publicity in the
running community about hyponatremia and people croaking, I think they
are looking for a new market. I know they have a fairly sophisticated
lab but the corporations still live on profits. :)
If it was for their football team were are talking about a game that
lasts for an hour with lots of breaks with offense and defense riding
the pine. In a marathon, especaily those out there for more than 4 hours
the juice is woefully short of salt. Toss in a hot day and that's when
people get into real trouble.
> The concentration seems to me would be close to the salty tase of
> blood. Not a great taste, but it it isn't barf time.
How long do you think a runner can take the taste before he feels the
urge to barf? Think of ocean water being your source of fluid. Taste,
be it salt, sweet or specific flavors tend to get repulsive over time.
Once you hit that stage you're in deep shit. You need to drink yet
can't. So many of us to avoid this delemma will do plain water, coke,
Mountain dew, Sports drinks for a variety flavors. We take out salt in
caps to avoid any taste issue. As long as we can get some water down we
can get our salt.
> Saltier than say pickle juice?
Maybe ocean water or worse.
> Really my question is has any body TRIED it? I don't know, but I don't
> think it necessarily is bad tasting.
It's still Gatorade and I'm not a good person to ask about how their
products taste. :) Other than some additional salt it's the same cheap
simple sugar crap. If they wanted to make a real endurance drink it
would be made from maltodextrin, but maltodextrin is expensive yada
yada.
The amount of salt they added will likely help some people. IMO it is
marketing smoke to make more money. Not much different than shoe
companies changing model colors each year.
-DougF
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #864136 ] |
Sat, 25 February 2006 16:34 |
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:46:59 GMT, "Doug Freese" <dfreese [at] hvc.rr.com>
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>If it was for their football team were are talking about a game that
>lasts for an hour with lots of breaks with offense and defense riding
>the pine.
Try it in full gear you senile ol' fucker.
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #864144 ] |
Sat, 25 February 2006 18:51 |
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Ed Prochak wrote:
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> Really my question is has any body TRIED it? I don't know, but I don't
> think it necessarily is bad tasting.
>
Ed, Mix it up yourself and test it. Nothing says we have to use
commercial drinks and some folks do mix their own drinks from, say,
water, honey or sugar or maltodextrin, salt, or whatever.
Dot
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"Remorse - a good trail always makes you feel sorry that it is over no
matter how tired you are" - Matt Carpenter
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #864148 ] |
Sat, 25 February 2006 19:20 |
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Doug Freese wrote:
> "Ed Prochak" <edprochak [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1140842377.035723.266380 [at] e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
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>>I thought gaterade was formulated to help their football team play
>>better. Marketting to America was an afterthought.
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>
> I'm not sure of their motivation for the new formula other than pure
> maraketing with an endurance angle. With the additional publicity in the
> running community about hyponatremia and people croaking, I think they
> are looking for a new market. I know they have a fairly sophisticated
> lab but the corporations still live on profits. :)
I could be wrong, but I think the original gatorade was for the football
team, and that's what's been available for many years. Then they
developed a new Endurance formula for longer endurance (greater than 1
hr?) that's been out maybe a year (?) - with more electrolytes, but not
sure about carbs. I was going to check, but their website is freakin'
slow to load and rather obtuse in giving me the info.
Dot
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"Remorse - a good trail always makes you feel sorry that it is over no
matter how tired you are" - Matt Carpenter
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #864174 ] |
Sat, 25 February 2006 22:37 |
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Dot wrote:
> Ed Prochak wrote:
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> >
> > Really my question is has any body TRIED it? I don't know, but I don't
> > think it necessarily is bad tasting.
> >
> Ed, Mix it up yourself and test it. Nothing says we have to use
> commercial drinks and some folks do mix their own drinks from, say,
> water, honey or sugar or maltodextrin, salt, or whatever.
>
> Dot
>
> --
> "Remorse - a good trail always makes you feel sorry that it is over no
> matter how tired you are" - Matt Carpenter
since steve posted the numbers, I may try it. Gatorade and their like
seem to work okay for me, but maybe there is a better formula. I'm just
wondering how to measure it out. I don't have a lab scale handy. I
womder how much is in those little salt packets you get at the fast
food places?
I'll report back if I get it mixed. (3.2g/l sodium. but still wondering
how/were to get the potasium).
Science awaits.
ed
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #864178 ] |
Sat, 25 February 2006 23:32 |
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"Ed Prochak" <edprochak [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>I'll report back if I get it mixed. (3.2g/l sodium. but still wondering
>how/were to get the potasium).
Don't mix a whole litre cos I'm sure you're gonna chuck it down the
privvy when you've tasted it :-)
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #864185 ] |
Sun, 26 February 2006 00:27 |
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Hey Ed,
You mentioned your wife, and I was wondering if she'd dropped any of
that 369lbs she has packed on over the years?
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #864249 ] |
Sun, 26 February 2006 23:39 |
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dfreese [at] hvc.rr.com wrote:
> I'm not sure of their motivation for the new formula other than pure
> maraketing with an endurance angle.
Where's Sam? He hasn't posted for several months. Didn't he do some work
for Gatorade at one time?
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Phil M.
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| Re: Avoiding leg cramps [message #864251 ] |
Sun, 26 February 2006 23:52 |
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dot.h [at] #duh?att.net wrote:
> I could be wrong, but I think the original gatorade was for the football
> team, and that's what's been available for many years. Then they
> developed a new Endurance formula for longer endurance (greater than 1
> hr?) that's been out maybe a year (?) - with more electrolytes, but not
> sure about carbs. I was going to check, but their website is freakin'
> slow to load and rather obtuse in giving me the info.
This is what I have:
Gatorade Gatorade Endurance
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kcal 75 75
Sodium 150 300
Potassium 45 135
Carbs 21 21
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Phil M.
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