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| KG wants out [message #808997] |
Sat, 28 January 2006 06:56 |
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http://www.nypost.com/sports/61050.htm
"I ain't [bleeping] playin' scared," Garnett stormed. "I ain't [bleeping]
playin' to lose. I ain't [bleeping] puttin' my head down. I'm [bleeping]
tryin' as hard as I can every night."
Earlier this season, Garnett called out McHale on TNT for doing a poor
reconstruction job of the roster - trading Sam Cassell to my Paper Clips for
Marko Jaric really bugged him out. This time, Garnett reputedly called him
out in front of the team, telling him coarsely what course of action he
could take right then and there.
A T'wolves source denies this happened, or at least didn't hear it himself.
He also denies that Garnett subsequently put an exclamation point on his
defiance. The soul of his disputed message: "If you don't like how I'm
playing, get me the [bleep] out of here, trade my [bleep]."
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| Re: KG wants out [message #808999 ] |
Sat, 28 January 2006 07:51 |
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On 28 Jan 2006 00:56:08 EST, "s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam [at] hotmail.com>
wrote:
> The soul of his disputed message: "If you don't like how I'm
>playing, get me the [bleep] out of here, trade my [bleep]."
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>
Trade my Black ass? Is that what he said?
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| Re: KG wants out [message #809000 ] |
Sat, 28 January 2006 08:28 |
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"Don Serlin" <donnie8666 [at] msn.com> wrote in message news:43db146b.19899843 [at] news.easynews.com...
> On 28 Jan 2006 00:56:08 EST, "s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam [at] hotmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> The soul of his disputed message: "If you don't like how I'm
>>playing, get me the [bleep] out of here, trade my [bleep]."
>>
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> Trade my Black ass? Is that what he said?
funny, i always thought bleep was one word...
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| Re: KG wants out [message #809001 ] |
Sat, 28 January 2006 11:04 |
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I'm not too worried about KG, I think having Davis will help his mood.
If McHale did invade the locker room and behave the way he did, KG
should have said something. It was pretty disgraceful up-staging of
Casey's role
as the coach, a job McHale didn't want, so he should stay out,
especially after
that gut wrenching Philly game.
McHale should have known how emotional KG was, and left it alone.
It appears that tiff had a lasting affect for a couple of games.
The Houston game was a nice change. KG's no look pass to Eddie and the
way he finished it, was HELLACIOUS, and fun to see.
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| Re: KG wants out [message #809002 ] |
Sat, 28 January 2006 11:47 |
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In article <1138442654.305192.280650 [at] g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
ADH Northsider <aharcus [at] msn.com> wrote:
>I'm not too worried about KG, I think having Davis will help his mood.
>If McHale did invade the locker room and behave the way he did, KG
>should have said something. It was pretty disgraceful up-staging of
>Casey's role
>as the coach, a job McHale didn't want, so he should stay out,
>especially after
>that gut wrenching Philly game.
>
>McHale should have known how emotional KG was, and left it alone.
>It appears that tiff had a lasting affect for a couple of games.
>
>The Houston game was a nice change. KG's no look pass to Eddie and the
>way he finished it, was HELLACIOUS, and fun to see.
You trolling for a new GM?
Actually, I think the T-wolves got the better of the trade. Getting rid of
Olowokandi. Blount can play. Olowokandi can't. Olowokandi is why Kwame
Brown is not NEARLY the worst #1 pick ever.
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| Re: KG wants out [message #809003 ] |
Sat, 28 January 2006 15:40 |
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> Actually, I think the T-wolves got the better of the trade. Getting rid of
> Olowokandi. Blount can play. Olowokandi can't. Olowokandi is why Kwame
> Brown is not NEARLY the worst #1 pick ever.
You never watched Blount play have you? hahahahahahahahahaha
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| Re: KG wants out [message #809004 ] |
Sat, 28 January 2006 17:18 |
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On 28 Jan 2006 00:56:08 EST, "s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>http://www.nypost.com/sports/61050.htm
>
>"I ain't [bleeping] playin' scared," Garnett stormed. "I ain't [bleeping]
>playin' to lose. I ain't [bleeping] puttin' my head down. I'm [bleeping]
>tryin' as hard as I can every night."
>
>Earlier this season, Garnett called out McHale on TNT for doing a poor
>reconstruction job of the roster - trading Sam Cassell to my Paper Clips for
>Marko Jaric really bugged him out. This time, Garnett reputedly called him
>out in front of the team, telling him coarsely what course of action he
>could take right then and there.
KG should be much happier now. The main source of his headaches
(Wally Szczerbiak) was traded away. Wally and KG always had problems.
Many have speculated that KG was upset that McHale let Cassell and
Sprewell go and hung on to Wally.
He should be much happier with Ricky Davis in Wally's place.
Davis had a nice debut with the Wolves last night. 26 points,
6 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal, 1 block over 35 minutes.
Plus, the Wolves won...which always brightens KG's spirits.
>A T'wolves source denies this happened, or at least didn't hear it himself.
>He also denies that Garnett subsequently put an exclamation point on his
>defiance. The soul of his disputed message: "If you don't like how I'm
>playing, get me the [bleep] out of here, trade my [bleep]."
Never happened.
Personally, I think McHale should go before KG does...and reportedly
McHale is leaving after this season.
- Scott Smith: scott [at] sludgereport.org
Sludge Report: http://www.sludgereport.org
Blue States Rising: http://www.bluestaterising.blogspot.com
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| Re: KG wants out [message #809005 ] |
Sat, 28 January 2006 17:27 |
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:47:08 -0000, humbubba [at] smart.net (Rick Hohensee) wrote:
>In article <1138442654.305192.280650 [at] g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>ADH Northsider <aharcus [at] msn.com> wrote:
>>I'm not too worried about KG, I think having Davis will help his mood.
>>If McHale did invade the locker room and behave the way he did, KG
>>should have said something. It was pretty disgraceful up-staging of
>>Casey's role
>>as the coach, a job McHale didn't want, so he should stay out,
>>especially after
>>that gut wrenching Philly game.
>>
>>McHale should have known how emotional KG was, and left it alone.
>>It appears that tiff had a lasting affect for a couple of games.
>>
>>The Houston game was a nice change. KG's no look pass to Eddie and the
>>way he finished it, was HELLACIOUS, and fun to see.
>
>
>You trolling for a new GM?
>
>Actually, I think the T-wolves got the better of the trade. Getting rid of
>Olowokandi. Blount can play. Olowokandi can't. Olowokandi is why Kwame
>Brown is not NEARLY the worst #1 pick ever.
Blount is a stiff. Olwokandi was a stiff. That trade is pretty neutral, IMO.
I do think the Wolves got the better of the deal with the Szczerbiak for
Davis switch. Davis offensive skills are on par with Szczerbiak's and Davis
will provide better defense. As one Celtics fan put it: "Wally is a guy who
couldn't defend an opinion." After watching him play nightly for years, I
tend to agree with that assessment.
The wildcard here, and the one I'm most interesting in seeing play is Marcus
Banks. I've read that he is a young point guard with some potential. Since
coach Casey has a reputation for developing young talent, and the Wolves
need all the help at the point guard position they can get...this might be the
steal of the trade if Banks develops into something.
- Scott Smith: scott [at] sludgereport.org
Sludge Report: http://www.sludgereport.org
Blue States Rising: http://www.bluestaterising.blogspot.com
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| Re: KG wants out [message #809007 ] |
Sat, 28 January 2006 19:03 |
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Rick Hohensee wrote:
> In article <1138442654.305192.280650 [at] g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> ADH Northsider <aharcus [at] msn.com> wrote:
>
>>I'm not too worried about KG, I think having Davis will help his mood.
>>If McHale did invade the locker room and behave the way he did, KG
>>should have said something. It was pretty disgraceful up-staging of
>>Casey's role
>>as the coach, a job McHale didn't want, so he should stay out,
>>especially after
>>that gut wrenching Philly game.
>>
>>McHale should have known how emotional KG was, and left it alone.
>>It appears that tiff had a lasting affect for a couple of games.
>>
>>The Houston game was a nice change. KG's no look pass to Eddie and the
>>way he finished it, was HELLACIOUS, and fun to see.
>
>
>
> You trolling for a new GM?
>
> Actually, I think the T-wolves got the better of the trade. Getting rid of
> Olowokandi. Blount can play. Olowokandi can't. Olowokandi is why Kwame
> Brown is not NEARLY the worst #1 pick ever.
I've seen Olowokandi sink a hook shot a number of times. The next
basketball skill Kwame displays will be his first. Kwame is the king of
all busts.
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| Re: KG wants out [message #809008 ] |
Sat, 28 January 2006 19:08 |
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"Don Serlin" <donnie8666 [at] msn.com> wrote in message
news:43db146b.19899843 [at] news.easynews.com...
> On 28 Jan 2006 00:56:08 EST, "s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam [at] hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
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> > The soul of his disputed message: "If you don't like how I'm
> >playing, get me the [bleep] out of here, trade my [bleep]."
> >
> >
>
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> Trade my Black ass? Is that what he said?
Hot vag, actually. I don't understand why the press insists on keeping
this stuff from the public.
--
Jeremey
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| Re: KG wants out [message #809009 ] |
Sat, 28 January 2006 19:22 |
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:08:21 GMT, "Jeremey Wilson" <noaddressgiven [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Don Serlin" <donnie8666 [at] msn.com> wrote in message
>news:43db146b.19899843 [at] news.easynews.com...
>> On 28 Jan 2006 00:56:08 EST, "s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam [at] hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
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>> > The soul of his disputed message: "If you don't like how I'm
>> >playing, get me the [bleep] out of here, trade my [bleep]."
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Trade my Black ass? Is that what he said?
>
>Hot vag, actually. I don't understand why the press insists on keeping
>this stuff from the public.
Probably because he never said that, according to the various
sources that were in the locker room when McHale and Chapman
called KG and Wally out on their inability to play well together.
KG had some choice words for McHale and Chapman and stormed
out of the TC, but "trade me" wasn't part of them.
Some believe this confrontation is what prompted the trade to split
KG and Wally up, since it was apparent the two couldn't play well
together and weren't happy being the two expected to produce wins
together.
I'm hoping Ricky Davis is a better fit with KG, since Davis certainly
has all the skills Wally did...and then some.
- Scott Smith: scott [at] sludgereport.org
Sludge Report: http://www.sludgereport.org
Blue States Rising: http://www.bluestaterising.blogspot.com
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| Re: KG wants out [message #809010 ] |
Sat, 28 January 2006 19:57 |
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S. Smith wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:47:08 -0000, humbubba [at] smart.net (Rick Hohensee) wrote:
>
> >In article <1138442654.305192.280650 [at] g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> >ADH Northsider <aharcus [at] msn.com> wrote:
> >>I'm not too worried about KG, I think having Davis will help his mood.
> >>If McHale did invade the locker room and behave the way he did, KG
> >>should have said something. It was pretty disgraceful up-staging of
> >>Casey's role
> >>as the coach, a job McHale didn't want, so he should stay out,
> >>especially after
> >>that gut wrenching Philly game.
> >>
> >>McHale should have known how emotional KG was, and left it alone.
> >>It appears that tiff had a lasting affect for a couple of games.
> >>
> >>The Houston game was a nice change. KG's no look pass to Eddie and the
> >>way he finished it, was HELLACIOUS, and fun to see.
> >
> >
> >You trolling for a new GM?
> >
> >Actually, I think the T-wolves got the better of the trade. Getting rid of
> >Olowokandi. Blount can play. Olowokandi can't. Olowokandi is why Kwame
> >Brown is not NEARLY the worst #1 pick ever.
>
> Blount is a stiff. Olwokandi was a stiff. That trade is pretty neutral, IMO.
No, it's not. Yes, they are both stiffs. But no, it's not neutral
Wolves could have got rid of Candy at season's end, but now are stuck
with Blount. The only way this trade balances out is if Davis is
*much* better than Wally (offset Blount) and Banks is at least starting
quality or a good 6th man (offset the first round pick).
> I do think the Wolves got the better of the deal with the Szczerbiak for
> Davis switch. Davis offensive skills are on par with Szczerbiak's and Davis
> will provide better defense. As one Celtics fan put it: "Wally is a guy who
> couldn't defend an opinion."
Your welcome Scott ;)
Although the Boston fan is wrong. Wally is intelligent, well spoken
and if you've been listening to him on Fridays, can defend an opinion.
Regarding his defense, even Levi's idol Hollinger mentioned Wally
upping his defensive accumen.
>After watching him play nightly for years, I
> tend to agree with that assessment.
> The wildcard here, and the one I'm most interesting in seeing play is Marcus
> Banks. I've read that he is a young point guard with some potential. Since
> coach Casey has a reputation for developing young talent, and the Wolves
> need all the help at the point guard position they can get...this might be the
> steal of the trade if Banks develops into something.
I've heard conflicting reports on Banks. I posted yesterday that on
KFAN it was said that he was a "true" poing guard with defensive
ability and quickness. Well, Bareirro had a Boston media guy on his
show last night, who's watched Banks from day one, that said Banks has
two important NBA attributes: defense and speed. The problem is he's a
5'11" two guard. I hope that's not the case.
BTW Levi, take note that all these KFAN quotes are just information,
nothing more.
> - Scott Smith: scott [at] sludgereport.org
> Sludge Report: http://www.sludgereport.org
> Blue States Rising: http://www.bluestaterising.blogspot.com
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| Re: KG wants out [message #809011 ] |
Sat, 28 January 2006 20:16 |
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On 28 Jan 2006 10:57:33 -0800, "ikrushlots [at] aol.com" <ikrushlots [at] aol.com> wrote:
>S. Smith wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:47:08 -0000, humbubba [at] smart.net (Rick Hohensee) wrote:
>>
>> >In article <1138442654.305192.280650 [at] g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>> >ADH Northsider <aharcus [at] msn.com> wrote:
>> >>I'm not too worried about KG, I think having Davis will help his mood.
>> >>If McHale did invade the locker room and behave the way he did, KG
>> >>should have said something. It was pretty disgraceful up-staging of
>> >>Casey's role
>> >>as the coach, a job McHale didn't want, so he should stay out,
>> >>especially after
>> >>that gut wrenching Philly game.
>> >>
>> >>McHale should have known how emotional KG was, and left it alone.
>> >>It appears that tiff had a lasting affect for a couple of games.
>> >>
>> >>The Houston game was a nice change. KG's no look pass to Eddie and the
>> >>way he finished it, was HELLACIOUS, and fun to see.
>> >
>> >
>> >You trolling for a new GM?
>> >
>> >Actually, I think the T-wolves got the better of the trade. Getting rid of
>> >Olowokandi. Blount can play. Olowokandi can't. Olowokandi is why Kwame
>> >Brown is not NEARLY the worst #1 pick ever.
>>
>> Blount is a stiff. Olwokandi was a stiff. That trade is pretty neutral, IMO.
>
>No, it's not. Yes, they are both stiffs. But no, it's not neutral
>Wolves could have got rid of Candy at season's end, but now are stuck
>with Blount. The only way this trade balances out is if Davis is
>*much* better than Wally (offset Blount) and Banks is at least starting
>quality or a good 6th man (offset the first round pick).
Blount could be future trade bait, or a decent bench center behind
a starting big man (if the Wolves go after one in the off season). I'm
not overly worried about the Wolves carrying Blount's contract. Yes,
Blount is overpaid at $38.5 million over 6 years...but the Wolves
could find a way to trade him if they really need to.
The first round pick isn't a big deal either, IMO. The Wolves will
make the playoffs as a low seed and they will have a low first
pick. The deal for Tskitishvili to the Suns for a second round pick
makes up for the loss of the low first round pick, IMO.
>> I do think the Wolves got the better of the deal with the Szczerbiak for
>> Davis switch. Davis offensive skills are on par with Szczerbiak's and Davis
>> will provide better defense. As one Celtics fan put it: "Wally is a guy who
>> couldn't defend an opinion."
>
>Your welcome Scott ;)
>Although the Boston fan is wrong. Wally is intelligent, well spoken
>and if you've been listening to him on Fridays, can defend an opinion.
>Regarding his defense, even Levi's idol Hollinger mentioned Wally
>upping his defensive accumen.
Yes, we all know by now. You are the ONE Wolves fan in the group
who actually liked Wally and who always supported him through all his
ups and downs.
Personally, I'm glad he's gone.
>>After watching him play nightly for years, I
>> tend to agree with that assessment.
>> The wildcard here, and the one I'm most interesting in seeing play is Marcus
>> Banks. I've read that he is a young point guard with some potential. Since
>> coach Casey has a reputation for developing young talent, and the Wolves
>> need all the help at the point guard position they can get...this might be the
>> steal of the trade if Banks develops into something.
>
>I've heard conflicting reports on Banks. I posted yesterday that on
>KFAN it was said that he was a "true" poing guard with defensive
>ability and quickness. Well, Bareirro had a Boston media guy on his
>show last night, who's watched Banks from day one, that said Banks has
>two important NBA attributes: defense and speed. The problem is he's a
>5'11" two guard. I hope that's not the case.
Even if Banks is a bust, I still think the Wolves got the better end of
the trade by adding Davis to the starting lineup.
>BTW Levi, take note that all these KFAN quotes are just information,
>nothing more.
Considering the source is KFAN, could they be considered anything else?
- Scott Smith: scott [at] sludgereport.org
Sludge Report: http://www.sludgereport.org
Blue States Rising: http://www.bluestaterising.blogspot.com
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| Re: KG wants out [message #809012 ] |
Sat, 28 January 2006 20:41 |
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S. Smith wrote:
> On 28 Jan 2006 10:57:33 -0800, "ikrushlots [at] aol.com" <ikrushlots [at] aol.com> wrote:
>
> >S. Smith wrote:
> >> On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:47:08 -0000, humbubba [at] smart.net (Rick Hohensee) wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <1138442654.305192.280650 [at] g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> >> >ADH Northsider <aharcus [at] msn.com> wrote:
> >> >>I'm not too worried about KG, I think having Davis will help his mood.
> >> >>If McHale did invade the locker room and behave the way he did, KG
> >> >>should have said something. It was pretty disgraceful up-staging of
> >> >>Casey's role
> >> >>as the coach, a job McHale didn't want, so he should stay out,
> >> >>especially after
> >> >>that gut wrenching Philly game.
> >> >>
> >> >>McHale should have known how emotional KG was, and left it alone.
> >> >>It appears that tiff had a lasting affect for a couple of games.
> >> >>
> >> >>The Houston game was a nice change. KG's no look pass to Eddie and the
> >> >>way he finished it, was HELLACIOUS, and fun to see.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >You trolling for a new GM?
> >> >
> >> >Actually, I think the T-wolves got the better of the trade. Getting rid of
> >> >Olowokandi. Blount can play. Olowokandi can't. Olowokandi is why Kwame
> >> >Brown is not NEARLY the worst #1 pick ever.
> >>
> >> Blount is a stiff. Olwokandi was a stiff. That trade is pretty neutral, IMO.
> >
> >No, it's not. Yes, they are both stiffs. But no, it's not neutral
> >Wolves could have got rid of Candy at season's end, but now are stuck
> >with Blount. The only way this trade balances out is if Davis is
> >*much* better than Wally (offset Blount) and Banks is at least starting
> >quality or a good 6th man (offset the first round pick).
>
> Blount could be future trade bait, or a decent bench center behind
> a starting big man (if the Wolves go after one in the off season). I'm
> not overly worried about the Wolves carrying Blount's contract. Yes,
> Blount is overpaid at $38.5 million over 6 years...but the Wolves
> could find a way to trade him if they really need to.
If there is a GM stupid enough too. I doubt anybody would take on that
contract, but you neven know . . .
> The first round pick isn't a big deal either, IMO. The Wolves will
> make the playoffs as a low seed and they will have a low first
> pick.
First, what the Wolves do this season is irrelevant with regards to
this 1st round pick Boston has to get in line behind the
Clippers--after McHale traded away one to acquire Jaric. Mchale treats
1st round picks as if they are meaningless.
Second, take a look around the league at how many non-lottery first
rounders have flourinshed. Davis is a prime example. Second rounders
don't make up for firsts.
Third, even if it's not a lottery pick, it's not like the Wolves have a
great chance of getting out of the first round. It likely won't be a
25-30 pick. It will more likely be 14-24.
>The deal for Tskitishvili to the Suns for a second round pick
> makes up for the loss of the low first round pick, IMO.
No, it doesn't, even if you assume the Wolves play like an elite team
get a "low first round pick".
> >> I do think the Wolves got the better of the deal with the Szczerbiak for
> >> Davis switch. Davis offensive skills are on par with Szczerbiak's and Davis
> >> will provide better defense. As one Celtics fan put it: "Wally is a guy who
> >> couldn't defend an opinion."
> >
> >Your welcome Scott ;)
> >Although the Boston fan is wrong. Wally is intelligent, well spoken
> >and if you've been listening to him on Fridays, can defend an opinion.
> >Regarding his defense, even Levi's idol Hollinger mentioned Wally
> >upping his defensive accumen.
>
> Yes, we all know by now. You are the ONE Wolves fan
Blindly going with the flow is not my style. This trait has served me
well in more important areas of interest.
> in the group
> who actually liked Wally and who always supported him through all his
> ups and downs.
>
> Personally, I'm glad he's gone.
As I've said before, as much as I like Wally, I don't have a problem
with the Davis for Wally part of the deal. If it was straight up, I'd
be fine with it. It's the Blount and draft pick portions that make
McHale a fool.
> >>After watching him play nightly for years, I
> >> tend to agree with that assessment.
> >> The wildcard here, and the one I'm most interesting in seeing play is Marcus
> >> Banks. I've read that he is a young point guard with some potential. Since
> >> coach Casey has a reputation for developing young talent, and the Wolves
> >> need all the help at the point guard position they can get...this might be the
> >> steal of the trade if Banks develops into something.
> >
> >I've heard conflicting reports on Banks. I posted yesterday that on
> >KFAN it was said that he was a "true" poing guard with defensive
> >ability and quickness. Well, Bareirro had a Boston media guy on his
> >show last night, who's watched Banks from day one, that said Banks has
> >two important NBA attributes: defense and speed. The problem is he's a
> >5'11" two guard. I hope that's not the case.
>
> Even if Banks is a bust, I still think the Wolves got the better end of
> the trade by adding Davis to the starting lineup.
>
> >BTW Levi, take note that all these KFAN quotes are just information,
> >nothing more.
>
> Considering the source is KFAN, could they be considered anything else?
The actual source is the Boston reporter (who also had nothing but
great things to say about Davis-other than his occasional mental
lapses). While the opinions of the hosts are meaningless, it is a good
source of informtion. Certainly a *much better* source than either of
the the local papers.
> - Scott Smith: scott [at] sludgereport.org
> Sludge Report: http://www.sludgereport.org
> Blue States Rising: http://www.bluestaterising.blogspot.com
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| Re: KG wants out [message #809013 ] |
Sat, 28 January 2006 20:49 |
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On 28 Jan 2006 02:04:14 -0800, "ADH Northsider" <aharcus [at] msn.com>
wrote:
>I'm not too worried about KG, I think having Davis will help his mood.
Dang, you really think KG gets down like that? There was the whole
Elson thing, but I never thought...
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| Re: KG wants out [message #809015 ] |
Sat, 28 January 2006 21:08 |
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On 28 Jan 2006 11:41:56 -0800, "ikrushlots [at] aol.com" <ikrushlots [at] aol.com> wrote:
>S. Smith wrote:
>> On 28 Jan 2006 10:57:33 -0800, "ikrushlots [at] aol.com" <ikrushlots [at] aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >S. Smith wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:47:08 -0000, humbubba [at] smart.net (Rick Hohensee) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <1138442654.305192.280650 [at] g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>> >> >ADH Northsider <aharcus [at] msn.com> wrote:
>> >> >>I'm not too worried about KG, I think having Davis will help his mood.
>> >> >>If McHale did invade the locker room and behave the way he did, KG
>> >> >>should have said something. It was pretty disgraceful up-staging of
>> >> >>Casey's role
>> >> >>as the coach, a job McHale didn't want, so he should stay out,
>> >> >>especially after
>> >> >>that gut wrenching Philly game.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>McHale should have known how emotional KG was, and left it alone.
>> >> >>It appears that tiff had a lasting affect for a couple of games.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>The Houston game was a nice change. KG's no look pass to Eddie and the
>> >> >>way he finished it, was HELLACIOUS, and fun to see.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >You trolling for a new GM?
>> >> >
>> >> >Actually, I think the T-wolves got the better of the trade. Getting rid of
>> >> >Olowokandi. Blount can play. Olowokandi can't. Olowokandi is why Kwame
>> >> >Brown is not NEARLY the worst #1 pick ever.
>> >>
>> >> Blount is a stiff. Olwokandi was a stiff. That trade is pretty neutral, IMO.
>> >
>> >No, it's not. Yes, they are both stiffs. But no, it's not neutral
>> >Wolves could have got rid of Candy at season's end, but now are stuck
>> >with Blount. The only way this trade balances out is if Davis is
>> >*much* better than Wally (offset Blount) and Banks is at least starting
>> >quality or a good 6th man (offset the first round pick).
>>
>> Blount could be future trade bait, or a decent bench center behind
>> a starting big man (if the Wolves go after one in the off season). I'm
>> not overly worried about the Wolves carrying Blount's contract. Yes,
>> Blount is overpaid at $38.5 million over 6 years...but the Wolves
>> could find a way to trade him if they really need to.
>
>If there is a GM stupid enough too. I doubt anybody would take on that
>contract, but you neven know . . .
Much stranger deal have taken place in the NBA.
>> The first round pick isn't a big deal either, IMO. The Wolves will
>> make the playoffs as a low seed and they will have a low first
>> pick.
>
>First, what the Wolves do this season is irrelevant with regards to
>this 1st round pick Boston has to get in line behind the
>Clippers--after McHale traded away one to acquire Jaric. Mchale treats
>1st round picks as if they are meaningless.
In many cases, they are.
>Second, take a look around the league at how many non-lottery first
>rounders have flourinshed. Davis is a prime example. Second rounders
>don't make up for firsts.
It's all a crap-shoot in terms of NBA talent, IMO.
>Third, even if it's not a lottery pick, it's not like the Wolves have a
>great chance of getting out of the first round. It likely won't be a
>25-30 pick. It will more likely be 14-24.
>
>>The deal for Tskitishvili to the Suns for a second round pick
>> makes up for the loss of the low first round pick, IMO.
>
>No, it doesn't, even if you assume the Wolves play like an elite team
>get a "low first round pick".
>
>> >> I do think the Wolves got the better of the deal with the Szczerbiak for
>> >> Davis switch. Davis offensive skills are on par with Szczerbiak's and Davis
>> >> will provide better defense. As one Celtics fan put it: "Wally is a guy who
>> >> couldn't defend an opinion."
>> >
>> >Your welcome Scott ;)
>> >Although the Boston fan is wrong. Wally is intelligent, well spoken
>> >and if you've been listening to him on Fridays, can defend an opinion.
>> >Regarding his defense, even Levi's idol Hollinger mentioned Wally
>> >upping his defensive accumen.
>>
>> Yes, we all know by now. You are the ONE Wolves fan
>
>Blindly going with the flow is not my style. This trait has served me
>well in more important areas of interest.
One doesn't need to "blindly go with the flow" in order to dislike
Szczerbiak and his prima-donna attitude and questionable
defensive skills.
>> in the group
>> who actually liked Wally and who always supported him through all his
>> ups and downs.
>>
>> Personally, I'm glad he's gone.
>
>As I've said before, as much as I like Wally, I don't have a problem
>with the Davis for Wally part of the deal. If it was straight up, I'd
>be fine with it. It's the Blount and draft pick portions that make
>McHale a fool.
Well, Mchale has done plenty things earlier than this to prove himself
a fool in terms of trades and player deals (Joe Smith deal, anyone?).
I guess this one doesn't seem as bad as others to me.
>> >>After watching him play nightly for years, I
>> >> tend to agree with that assessment.
>> >> The wildcard here, and the one I'm most interesting in seeing play is Marcus
>> >> Banks. I've read that he is a young point guard with some potential. Since
>> >> coach Casey has a reputation for developing young talent, and the Wolves
>> >> need all the help at the point guard position they can get...this might be the
>> >> steal of the trade if Banks develops into something.
>> >
>> >I've heard conflicting reports on Banks. I posted yesterday that on
>> >KFAN it was said that he was a "true" poing guard with defensive
>> >ability and quickness. Well, Bareirro had a Boston media guy on his
>> >show last night, who's watched Banks from day one, that said Banks has
>> >two important NBA attributes: defense and speed. The problem is he's a
>> >5'11" two guard. I hope that's not the case.
>>
>> Even if Banks is a bust, I still think the Wolves got the better end of
>> the trade by adding Davis to the starting lineup.
>>
>> >BTW Levi, take note that all these KFAN quotes are just information,
>> >nothing more.
>>
>> Considering the source is KFAN, could they be considered anything else?
>
>The actual source is the Boston reporter (who also had nothing but
>great things to say about Davis-other than his occasional mental
>lapses). While the opinions of the hosts are meaningless, it is a good
>source of informtion. Certainly a *much better* source than either of
>the the local papers.
I still think Britt Robson of the City Pages and Steve Aschburner of
the Star-Tribune are the best sports writers regarding the Wolves, and
usually offer the best opinions and insight into the team, IMO.
The only thin that interests me on KFAN are the actual interviews
with players, McHale, etc. and the live games if I'm out in my car
driving around.
- Scott Smith: scott [at] sludgereport.org
Sludge Report: http://www.sludgereport.org
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| Re: KG wants out [message #809016 ] |
Sat, 28 January 2006 23:58 |
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S. Smith wrote:
> On 28 Jan 2006 11:41:56 -0800, "ikrushlots [at] aol.com" <ikrushlots [at] aol.com> wrote:
>
> >S. Smith wrote:
> >> On 28 Jan 2006 10:57:33 -0800, "ikrushlots [at] aol.com" <ikrushlots [at] aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >S. Smith wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:47:08 -0000, humbubba [at] smart.net (Rick Hohensee) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >In article <1138442654.305192.280650 [at] g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> >ADH Northsider <aharcus [at] msn.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>I'm not too worried about KG, I think having Davis will help his mood.
> >> >> >>If McHale did invade the locker room and behave the way he did, KG
> >> >> >>should have said something. It was pretty disgraceful up-staging of
> >> >> >>Casey's role
> >> >> >>as the coach, a job McHale didn't want, so he should stay out,
> >> >> >>especially after
> >> >> >>that gut wrenching Philly game.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>McHale should have known how emotional KG was, and left it alone.
> >> >> >>It appears that tiff had a lasting affect for a couple of games.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>The Houston game was a nice change. KG's no look pass to Eddie and the
> >> >> >>way he finished it, was HELLACIOUS, and fun to see.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >You trolling for a new GM?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Actually, I think the T-wolves got the better of the trade. Getting rid of
> >> >> >Olowokandi. Blount can play. Olowokandi can't. Olowokandi is why Kwame
> >> >> >Brown is not NEARLY the worst #1 pick ever.
> >> >>
> >> >> Blount is a stiff. Olwokandi was a stiff. That trade is pretty neutral, IMO.
> >> >
> >> >No, it's not. Yes, they are both stiffs. But no, it's not neutral
> >> >Wolves could have got rid of Candy at season's end, but now are stuck
> >> >with Blount. The only way this trade balances out is if Davis is
> >> >*much* better than Wally (offset Blount) and Banks is at least starting
> >> >quality or a good 6th man (offset the first round pick).
> >>
> >> Blount could be future trade bait, or a decent bench center behind
> >> a starting big man (if the Wolves go after one in the off season). I'm
> >> not overly worried about the Wolves carrying Blount's contract. Yes,
> >> Blount is overpaid at $38.5 million over 6 years...but the Wolves
> >> could find a way to trade him if they really need to.
> >
> >If there is a GM stupid enough too. I doubt anybody would take on that
> >contract, but you neven know . . .
>
> Much stranger deal have taken place in the NBA.
>
> >> The first round pick isn't a big deal either, IMO. The Wolves will
> >> make the playoffs as a low seed and they will have a low first
> >> pick.
> >
> >First, what the Wolves do this season is irrelevant with regards to
> >this 1st round pick Boston has to get in line behind the
> >Clippers--after McHale traded away one to acquire Jaric. Mchale treats
> >1st round picks as if they are meaningless.
>
> In many cases, they are.
Sure, if you make a bad pick. Gutting the Wolves of two more first
round picks for Jaric and this deal sure doesn't help.
> >Second, take a look around the league at how many non-lottery first
> >rounders have flourinshed. Davis is a prime example. Second rounders
> >don't make up for firsts.
>
> It's all a crap-shoot in terms of NBA talent, IMO.
>
> >Third, even if it's not a lottery pick, it's not like the Wolves have a
> >great chance of getting out of the first round. It likely won't be a
> >25-30 pick. It will more likely be 14-24.
> >
> >>The deal for Tskitishvili to the Suns for a second round pick
> >> makes up for the loss of the low first round pick, IMO.
> >
> >No, it doesn't, even if you assume the Wolves play like an elite team
> >get a "low first round pick".
> >
> >> >> I do think the Wolves got the better of the deal with the Szczerbiak for
> >> >> Davis switch. Davis offensive skills are on par with Szczerbiak's and Davis
> >> >> will provide better defense. As one Celtics fan put it: "Wally is a guy who
> >> >> couldn't defend an opinion."
> >> >
> >> >Your welcome Scott ;)
> >> >Although the Boston fan is wrong. Wally is intelligent, well spoken
> >> >and if you've been listening to him on Fridays, can defend an opinion.
> >> >Regarding his defense, even Levi's idol Hollinger mentioned Wally
> >> >upping his defensive accumen.
> >>
> >> Yes, we all know by now. You are the ONE Wolves fan
> >
> >Blindly going with the flow is not my style. This trait has served me
> >well in more important areas of interest.
>
> One doesn't need to "blindly go with the flow" in order to dislike
> Szczerbiak and his prima-donna attitude
You didn't call KG a prima-donna for walking out of that meeting.
>and questionable
> defensive skills.
>
> >> in the group
> >> who actually liked Wally and who always supported him through all his
> >> ups and downs.
> >>
> >> Personally, I'm glad he's gone.
> >
> >As I've said before, as much as I like Wally, I don't have a problem
> >with the Davis for Wally part of the deal. If it was straight up, I'd
> >be fine with it. It's the Blount and draft pick portions that make
> >McHale a fool.
>
> Well, Mchale has done plenty things earlier than this to prove himself
> a fool in terms of trades and player deals (Joe Smith deal, anyone?).
On Taylor :)
> I guess this one doesn't seem as bad as others to me.
>
> >> >>After watching him play nightly for years, I
> >> >> tend to agree with that assessment.
> >> >> The wildcard here, and the one I'm most interesting in seeing play is Marcus
> >> >> Banks. I've read that he is a young point guard with some potential. Since
> >> >> coach Casey has a reputation for developing young talent, and the Wolves
> >> >> need all the help at the point guard position they can get...this might be the
> >> >> steal of the trade if Banks develops into something.
> >> >
> >> >I've heard conflicting reports on Banks. I posted yesterday that on
> >> >KFAN it was said that he was a "true" poing guard with defensive
> >> >ability and quickness. Well, Bareirro had a Boston media guy on his
> >> >show last night, who's watched Banks from day one, that said Banks has
> >> >two important NBA attributes: defense and speed. The problem is he's a
> >> >5'11" two guard. I hope that's not the case.
> >>
> >> Even if Banks is a bust, I still think the Wolves got the better end of
> >> the trade by adding Davis to the starting lineup.
> >>
> >> >BTW Levi, take note that all these KFAN quotes are just information,
> >> >nothing more.
> >>
> >> Considering the source is KFAN, could they be considered anything else?
> >
> >The actual source is the Boston reporter (who also had nothing but
> >great things to say about Davis-other than his occasional mental
> >lapses). While the opinions of the hosts are meaningless, it is a good
> >source of informtion. Certainly a *much better* source than either of
> >the the local papers.
>
> I still think Britt Robson of the City Pages and Steve Aschburner of
> the Star-Tribune are the best sports writers regarding the Wolves, and
> usually offer the best opinions and insight into the team, IMO.
Aschburner is on KFAN at least once a week. He provides a ton of
insights not in the paper. I try to listen to him as often as I can.
> The only thin that interests me on KFAN are the actual interviews
> with players, McHale, etc. and the live games if I'm out in my car
> driving around.
>
>
>
> - Scott Smith: scott [at] sludgereport.org
> Sludge Report: http://www.sludgereport.org
> Blue States Rising: http://www.bluestaterising.blogspot.com
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| Re: KG wants out [message #809017 ] |
Sun, 29 January 2006 00:42 |
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ikrushlots [at] aol.com wrote:
> S. Smith wrote:
<SNIP>
>
> You didn't call KG a prima-donna for walking out of that meeting.
I'm still trying to figure out if KG walked out *after* the
the "meeting" - or if, as you posted, that Wally did. Or
both of them. The descriptions of KG's actions have
him returning (verbal) fire. Your posting (based on Rosen
talking on KFAN) seemed to say that Wally just left, as if
he couldn't take the criticism.
That both players were pissed is understandable, as is
that KG (showered? and) left the building immediately.
That McHale (and more egregiously, Chapman) did what
they apparently did sucks, but the my question for you,
Krush, remains: "What did Wally do?".
<SNIP>
> >
> > I still think Britt Robson of the City Pages and Steve Aschburner of
> > the Star-Tribune are the best sports writers regarding the Wolves, and
> > usually offer the best opinions and insight into the team, IMO.
>
> Aschburner is on KFAN at least once a week. He provides a ton of
> insights not in the paper. I try to listen to him as often as I can.
<grin> Maybe I'll have to resurrect that AM radio (with 8-track)
and put it back into the Porsche.
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| Re: KG wants out [message #809020 ] |
Sun, 29 January 2006 21:52 |
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Rick Hohensee wrote:
>
> Actually, I think the T-wolves got the better of the trade. Getting rid of
> Olowokandi. Blount can play. Olowokandi can't. Olowokandi is why Kwame
> Brown is not NEARLY the worst #1 pick ever.
LaRue Martin and Pervis Eillison might have something to say about
that.
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| Re: KG wants out [message #809021 ] |
Sun, 29 January 2006 22:00 |
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 07:28:43 GMT, " bozak"
<the...bozak1 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Don Serlin" <donnie8666 [at] msn.com> wrote in message news:43db146b.19899843 [at] news.easynews.com...
>> On 28 Jan 2006 00:56:08 EST, "s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam [at] hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The soul of his disputed message: "If you don't like how I'm
>>>playing, get me the [bleep] out of here, trade my [bleep]."
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Trade my Black ass? Is that what he said?
>
>funny, i always thought bleep was one word...
>
>
Mother fuc*er is two words and they would only use one bleep for that.
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| Re: KG wants out [message #809023 ] |
Mon, 30 January 2006 02:05 |
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>From a number of versions of the post Philly game, Rex Chapman took a
more prominent role
lambasting the team, and no one was prepared for him stepping into the
breach like that, and
was taken badly.
As far as Wally, his worst attribute was pouting and feeling sorry for
himself, or in other words
emotional maturity. He had the diva complex pretty badly, and I think
that rubbed Garnett the
wrong way from day one. It probably hit it's zenith, when Chauncy
Billups was here, and it
was reported he would deliberately freeze out Wally, just to see him
glow. He was cliqued out.
KG rose above most of this, most of the time, but long term it had to
grate on him.
The problem is gone.
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| Re: KG wants out [message #809024 ] |
Mon, 30 January 2006 03:46 |
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In article <1138459230.532373.57830 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
<Godzilla1171 [at] aol.com> wrote:
>> Actually, I think the T-wolves got the better of the trade. Getting rid of
>> Olowokandi. Blount can play. Olowokandi can't. Olowokandi is why Kwame
>> Brown is not NEARLY the worst #1 pick ever.
>
>You never watched Blount play have you? hahahahahahahahahaha
>
He's better than Olowokandi.
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| Re: KG wants out [message #809025 ] |
Mon, 30 January 2006 03:49 |
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In article <ac6nt1lsum9pe5i64a81i5685h7utb38lv [at] 4ax.com>,
S. Smith <scott [at] sludgereport.org> wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:47:08 -0000, humbubba [at] smart.net (Rick Hohensee) wrote:
>
>>In article <1138442654.305192.280650 [at] g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>>ADH Northsider <aharcus [at] msn.com> wrote:
>>>I'm not too worried about KG, I think having Davis will help his mood.
>>>If McHale did invade the locker room and behave the way he did, KG
>>>should have said something. It was pretty disgraceful up-staging of
>>>Casey's role
>>>as the coach, a job McHale didn't want, so he should stay out,
>>>especially after
>>>that gut wrenching Philly game.
>>>
>>>McHale should have known how emotional KG was, and left it alone.
>>>It appears that tiff had a lasting affect for a couple of games.
>>>
>>>The Houston game was a nice change. KG's no look pass to Eddie and the
>>>way he finished it, was HELLACIOUS, and fun to see.
>>
>>
>>You trolling for a new GM?
>>
>>Actually, I think the T-wolves got the better of the trade. Getting rid of
>>Olowokandi. Blount can play. Olowokandi can't. Olowokandi is why Kwame
>>Brown is not NEARLY the worst #1 pick ever.
>
>Blount is a stiff. Olwokandi was a stiff. That trade is pretty neutral, IMO.
>
>I do think the Wolves got the better of the deal with the Szczerbiak for
>Davis switch. Davis offensive skills are on par with Szczerbiak's and Davis
>will provide better defense. As one Celtics fan put it: "Wally is a guy who
>couldn't defend an opinion." After watching him play nightly for years, I
>tend to agree with that assessment.
>
>The wildcard here, and the one I'm most interesting in seeing play is Marcus
>Banks. I've read that he is a young point guard with some potential. Since
>coach Casey has a reputation for developing young talent, and the Wolves
>need all the help at the point guard position they can get...this might be the
>steal of the trade if Banks develops into something.
>
I've never seen any sign that Banks is a point guard.
>
>
>- Scott Smith: scott [at] sludgereport.org
> Sludge Report: http://www.sludgereport.org
> Blue States Rising: http://www.bluestaterising.blogspot.com
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| Re: KG wants out [message #809026 ] |
Mon, 30 January 2006 03:56 |
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In article <plOCf.448$BA4.281 [at] fe04.lga>, MB <PoetUNoet [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>Rick Hohensee wrote:
>> In article <1138442654.305192.280650 [at] g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>> ADH Northsider <aharcus [at] msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I'm not too worried about KG, I think having Davis will help his mood.
>>>If McHale did invade the locker room and behave the way he did, KG
>>>should have said something. It was pretty disgraceful up-staging of
>>>Casey's role
>>>as the coach, a job McHale didn't want, so he should stay out,
>>>especially after
>>>that gut wrenching Philly game.
>>>
>>>McHale should have known how emotional KG was, and left it alone.
>>>It appears that tiff had a lasting affect for a couple of games.
>>>
>>>The Houston game was a nice change. KG's no look pass to Eddie and the
>>>way he finished it, was HELLACIOUS, and fun to see.
>>
>>
>>
>> You trolling for a new GM?
>>
>> Actually, I think the T-wolves got the better of the trade. Getting rid of
>> Olowokandi. Blount can play. Olowokandi can't. Olowokandi is why Kwame
>> Brown is not NEARLY the worst #1 pick ever.
>
> I've seen Olowokandi sink a hook shot a number of times. The next
>basketball skill Kwame displays will be his first. Kwame is the king of
>all busts.
>
Like Kwame would need skills to beat Olowokandi. Kwame would beat
Olowokandi about 16-3 one-on-one. IF you gave Olowokandi 8 fouls so he
doesn't foul out.
Basketball people are just idiots. The press didn't think the Pistons were
better than the Lakers __after__ they invented the 5-game sweep on them in
the Finals. If I was a GM somewhere it would be like Red Auerbach coming
back.
Like tonight. The press is going off on how bad Kwame is, and Jackson
pulls him. Kwame had a +- of about +10 at that point. Fucking idiots.
--
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| Re: KG wants out [message #826566 ] |
Tue, 31 January 2006 14:21 |
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 02:49:09 -0000, humbubba [at] smart.net (Rick Hohensee) wrote:
>>In article <ac6nt1lsum9pe5i64a81i5685h7utb38lv [at] 4ax.com>,
>>S. Smith <scott [at] sludgereport.org> wrote:
>>
>>The wildcard here, and the one I'm most interesting in seeing play is Marcus
>>Banks. I've read that he is a young point guard with some potential. Since
>>coach Casey has a reputation for developing young talent, and the Wolves
>>need all the help at the point guard position they can get...this might be the
>>steal of the trade if Banks develops into something.
>>
>
>I've never seen any sign that Banks is a point guard.
He sure as hell looked like one last night, when he ran circles
around his old team the Celtics. ;)
- Scott Smith: scott [at] sludgereport.org
Sludge Report: http://www.sludgereport.org
Blue States Rising: http://www.bluestaterising.blogspot.com
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