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| Wilt exposes jordon's foolishness [message #808947] |
Thu, 26 January 2006 16:26 |
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http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/brian_meehan/inde x.ssf?/base/spor
ts/113824950345850.xml&coll=7
O n March 2, 1962, the New York Knicks made a four-hour bus ride from New
York City to Hershey, Pa., to play the Philadelphia Warriors.
Phil Jordon, the Knicks starting center, had a hangover and didn't play.
Perhaps Jordon knew history loomed that night because Philadelphia's
25-year-old center, Wilt Chamberlain, was on a tear.
Earlier that season, the 7-foot-1 Chamberlain had scored 40 or more in 14
consecutive games, including seven in a row when he topped 50.
Darrall Imhoff, a second-year center from the University of California, drew
the starting assignment. Imhoff had a gleaming basketball resume. In 1959,
he tipped in a shot with 17 seconds left to give Cal and coach Pete Newell
the NCAA championship over Jerry West's West Virginia team. He also won a
gold medal on the 1960 Olympic team.
But nothing in Imhoff's career prepared him for Hershey. When Chamberlain, a
notoriously poor foul shooter, made his first nine free throws, Imhoff
sensed records might fall.
"The rims at Hershey were like sewers," said Imhoff, a Eugene resident and
vice president of marketing for U.S. Basketball Academy, a training facility
47 miles east of Eugene. "If you hit the rim, it fell in."
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| Re: Wilt exposes jordon's foolishness [message #808953 ] |
Thu, 26 January 2006 22:29 |
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Nice article... It's the first article I've read following Kobe's 81
that reminds us that Wilt also had 25 rebounds on his big night.
It also reminds us that Wilt holds the single game record for
rebounding with 55 - and he did it against Russell. I think this is a
more unreachable record than the 100 point game. If a good scorer gets
to shoot the ball 60 times in a game, it stands to reason that he might
score 100. Since a typical game has about 80 or so FG attempts in it,
your teamates can collude to give you a big scoring night by feeding
you the ball.
There is less help available for 55 rebounds. TEAMS rarely get 55
rebounds. Sure, people can box out for you, but mostly, you have to go
get them yourself. That is why I think 55 rebounds is the more distant
goal. Barring a significant rule change, I don't think we'll ever see
that record broken.
erich
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| Re: Wilt exposes jordon's foolishness [message #808956 ] |
Thu, 26 January 2006 23:13 |
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ewtrowbr [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> There is less help available for 55 rebounds. TEAMS rarely get 55
> rebounds. Sure, people can box out for you, but mostly, you have to go
> get them yourself. That is why I think 55 rebounds is the more distant
> goal. Barring a significant rule change, I don't think we'll ever see
> that record broken.
Just thinking outside the box here, your team could purposely miss
their shots and try to bounce them in your direction. Or even better,
you could purposely miss the layup. You could optimize this by
dribbling the ball rapidly off the backboard. Those should count as
rebounds, right? I mean, technically, they're missed putbacks. Kobe can
drive to the hole, dribble off the backboard 5 times before landing.
But this would be seriously throwing the game. =)
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| Re: Wilt exposes jordon's foolishness [message #808957 ] |
Thu, 26 January 2006 23:25 |
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On 2006-01-26 12:13:24 -1000, "Bucky" <uw_badgers [at] email.com> said:
> ewtrowbr [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>> There is less help available for 55 rebounds. TEAMS rarely get 55
>> rebounds. Sure, people can box out for you, but mostly, you have to go
>> get them yourself. That is why I think 55 rebounds is the more distant
>> goal. Barring a significant rule change, I don't think we'll ever see
>> that record broken.
>
> Just thinking outside the box here, your team could purposely miss
> their shots and try to bounce them in your direction. Or even better,
> you could purposely miss the layup. You could optimize this by
> dribbling the ball rapidly off the backboard. Those should count as
> rebounds, right? I mean, technically, they're missed putbacks. Kobe can
> drive to the hole, dribble off the backboard 5 times before landing.
> But this would be seriously throwing the game. =)
It's been done. Ricky Davis got there first.
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| Re: Wilt exposes jordon's foolishness [message #808960 ] |
Fri, 27 January 2006 00:31 |
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Moses Malone did that, or so my coach told us in high school
"Bucky" <uw_badgers [at] email.com> wrote in message
news:1138313604.558290.281540 [at] g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> ewtrowbr [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
> Just thinking outside the box here, your team could purposely miss
> their shots and try to bounce them in your direction. Or even better,
> you could purposely miss the layup. You could optimize this by
> dribbling the ball rapidly off the backboard. Those should count as
> rebounds, right? I mean, technically, they're missed putbacks. Kobe can
> drive to the hole, dribble off the backboard 5 times before landing.
> But this would be seriously throwing the game. =)
>
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| Re: Wilt exposes jordon's foolishness [message #808961 ] |
Fri, 27 January 2006 00:45 |
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ewtrowbr [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> Nice article... It's the first article I've read following Kobe's 81
> that reminds us that Wilt also had 25 rebounds on his big night.
>
> It also reminds us that Wilt holds the single game record for
> rebounding with 55 - and he did it against Russell. I think this is a
> more unreachable record than the 100 point game. If a good scorer gets
> to shoot the ball 60 times in a game, it stands to reason that he might
> score 100. Since a typical game has about 80 or so FG attempts in it,
> your teamates can collude to give you a big scoring night by feeding
> you the ball.
>
> There is less help available for 55 rebounds. TEAMS rarely get 55
> rebounds. Sure, people can box out for you, but mostly, you have to go
> get them yourself. That is why I think 55 rebounds is the more distant
> goal. Barring a significant rule change, I don't think we'll ever see
> that record broken.
>
> erich
>
He averaged 22.9 for his career! Lest we forget what a
force Wilt was:
http://www.nba.com/history/players/chamberlain_stats.html
Compute his minutes per game: 45.8 career; and 44.3, 42.3,
and 43.2 his final 3 years. Amazing.
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| Re: Wilt exposes jordon's foolishness [message #808963 ] |
Fri, 27 January 2006 03:01 |
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OrchidEater wrote:
> It's been done. Ricky Davis got there first.
He did it wrong, though. He bounced it off his own goal's backboard, so
it didn't count as a FG attempt, and hence, no rebound either. You have
to do it on the goal that you're trying to score on.
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| Re: Wilt exposes jordon's foolishness [message #808965 ] |
Fri, 27 January 2006 02:22 |
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"s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam [at] hotmail.com> laid this on me:
> http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/brian_meehan/inde x.ssf?/base
> /spor ts/113824950345850.xml&coll=7
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> O n March 2, 1962, the New York Knicks made a four-hour bus ride from
> New York City to Hershey, Pa., to play the Philadelphia Warriors.
>
> Phil Jordon, the Knicks starting center, had a hangover and didn't
> play. Perhaps Jordon knew history loomed that night because
> Philadelphia's 25-year-old center, Wilt Chamberlain, was on a tear.
>
> Earlier that season, the 7-foot-1 Chamberlain had scored 40 or more in
> 14 consecutive games, including seven in a row when he topped 50.
>
> Darrall Imhoff, a second-year center from the University of
> California, drew the starting assignment. Imhoff had a gleaming
> basketball resume. In 1959, he tipped in a shot with 17 seconds left
> to give Cal and coach Pete Newell the NCAA championship over Jerry
> West's West Virginia team. He also won a gold medal on the 1960
> Olympic team.
>
> But nothing in Imhoff's career prepared him for Hershey. When
> Chamberlain, a notoriously poor foul shooter, made his first nine free
> throws, Imhoff sensed records might fall.
>
> "The rims at Hershey were like sewers," said Imhoff, a Eugene resident
> and vice president of marketing for U.S. Basketball Academy, a
> training facility 47 miles east of Eugene. "If you hit the rim, it
> fell in."
This is a cool place. We did a benefit 5 or so years ago, and one of
the sponsors of the event was US Basketball Academy, who gave us one night
there as a "perk". So we drove out, hung out in the rooms, and played ball
all night in the gym all by ourselves. The only other tenants there when we
were there was the Chinese women's national team, who was just getting up
at 6 AM when we were just leaving the gym. They were quite confused to see
all of us - back when we had hair, beards and all - stumbling out of the
gym when they were just getting ready to start practice. I think they
thought we were the cleaning crew or something.
But the academy is great, trees, right near the river, nice gyms. You
can't play outdoors 8 months of the year, but hey, who's counting?
Sean
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| Re: Wilt exposes jordon's foolishness [message #808970 ] |
Fri, 27 January 2006 07:34 |
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Johnny wrote:
> He averaged 22.9 for his career! Lest we forget what a force Wilt was:
>
> http://www.nba.com/history/players/chamberlain_stats.html
>
> Compute his minutes per game: 45.8 career; and 44.3, 42.3, and 43.2 his
> final 3 years. Amazing.
>
there's 2 amazing dudes from the past:
minutes rebounds rpm assists apm
Chamberlain 47859 23924 .499885 4643 .09701
Russell 40726 21620 .530865 4100 .10067
wilt will round up to .500 rpm, but russ is the only player
who was really over .500 rpm.
- nate
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| Re: Wilt exposes jordon's foolishness [message #808971 ] |
Fri, 27 January 2006 07:51 |
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Nate Smith wrote:
> Johnny wrote:
>
>> He averaged 22.9 for his career! Lest we forget what a force Wilt was:
>>
>> http://www.nba.com/history/players/chamberlain_stats.html
>>
>> Compute his minutes per game: 45.8 career; and 44.3, 42.3, and 43.2
>> his final 3 years. Amazing.
>>
>
>
> there's 2 amazing dudes from the past:
>
>
> minutes rebounds rpm assists apm
> Chamberlain 47859 23924 .499885 4643 .09701
> Russell 40726 21620 .530865 4100 .10067
>
>
> wilt will round up to .500 rpm, but russ is the only player
> who was really over .500 rpm.
>
>
> - nate
Now that is amazing. And telling.
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| Re: Wilt exposes jordon's foolishness [message #826572 ] |
Wed, 01 February 2006 05:39 |
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I could see a Ben Wallace or Dwight Howard teasing 30, low 30s at most. 55
is impossible unless you played with Kobe since he misses like 30 shots a
game.
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| Re: Wilt exposes jordon's foolishness [message #826575 ] |
Wed, 01 February 2006 08:43 |
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In article <VXWDf.10626$cj3.9345 [at] news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>,
Aeropo864 <dwf4life [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>I could see a Ben Wallace or Dwight Howard teasing 30, low 30s at most. 55
>is impossible unless you played with Kobe since he misses like 30 shots a
>game.
That was before the current offensive goaltending rules as well.
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| Re: Wilt exposes jordon's foolishness [message #826580 ] |
Thu, 02 February 2006 00:26 |
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"Donkeydode" <cartman [at] sp.com> wrote in news:RYcCf.11725$eR.212 [at] fed1read03:
> Moses Malone did that, or so my coach told us in high school
I always wondered about this lore - surely he didn't do it to pad his
stats;
He always did shoot a relatively low pct; was this anecdote just reflecting
how he missed a lot of shots and putbacks but still got the rebound? Or
did he put a lot of putbacks up haphazardly, knowing he could get the
rebound and probably put it back in then from better position?
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