| The Golfing Machine [message #782869] |
Thu, 29 December 2005 22:00 |
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Hi,
Been looking through some of the website's and rec.sport.glf group and
see quite a lot of positive comments/repsonses about Homer Kelley and
The Golfing Machine. A Scientific approach to the Golf swing written in
the sixties... (i'm definatly going Crazy with all this stuff)
I notice a few Pro instructors of this method in the USA but can't see
any in the UK .
Has anyone any positive/negative feedback about this method ?
Is this the Holy Grail of Golf or rubbish?
Any UK pro's teaching this stuff ?
The book does seem to be wayover my head and don't intend buying it
because of it's complexity (read 5 pages on Amazon). But I'm interested
in seeing if this could be the missing piece I'm looking for.
I'm new to the game so want to start off as best possible. Have taken 4
lessons so far but not using this method.
Cheers
Patty
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| Re: The Golfing Machine [message #782873 ] |
Thu, 29 December 2005 23:51 |
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Pat wrote:
> Been looking through some of the website's and rec.sport.glf group and
> see quite a lot of positive comments/repsonses about Homer Kelley and
> The Golfing Machine. A Scientific approach to the Golf swing written in
> the sixties... (i'm definatly going Crazy with all this stuff)
>
> I notice a few Pro instructors of this method in the USA but can't see
> any in the UK .
The Golfing Machine is not so much a "method". It is really a very
detailed description of exactly how and why the golf swing functions.
But it is still very useful to explain *why* something happens in the
swing and how to correct it.
It was written as an attempt to "remove theory and opinion from the golf
swing". It divides the golf stroke into components, zones and
functions... essentially describing how each affects the swing and how
they are inter-related. As such, it's a book adhered to by a lot of
teaching professionals and quite a few tour players.
You'll find it very complicated, mainly because of the nomenclature
used. But if you stick with it, you'll probably also find it very rewarding.
--
Cheers
Colin Wilson
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Trentham Golf Club: http://www.trenthamgolf.com
Barnbougle Dunes: http://publishing.kyneton.net.au/barnbougle
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| Re: The Golfing Machine [message #782931 ] |
Sun, 08 January 2006 17:53 |
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Colin is dead right
--
Sam
He uses statistics as others use lamp posts: for support rather than
illumination
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"Colin Wilson" <nowhere [at] nospam.com> wrote in message
news:oLZsf.129552$V7.49758 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Pat wrote:
>
>> Been looking through some of the website's and rec.sport.glf group and
>> see quite a lot of positive comments/repsonses about Homer Kelley and
>> The Golfing Machine. A Scientific approach to the Golf swing written in
>> the sixties... (i'm definatly going Crazy with all this stuff)
>>
>> I notice a few Pro instructors of this method in the USA but can't see
>> any in the UK .
>
> The Golfing Machine is not so much a "method". It is really a very
> detailed description of exactly how and why the golf swing functions. But
> it is still very useful to explain *why* something happens in the swing
> and how to correct it.
>
> It was written as an attempt to "remove theory and opinion from the golf
> swing". It divides the golf stroke into components, zones and functions...
> essentially describing how each affects the swing and how they are
> inter-related. As such, it's a book adhered to by a lot of teaching
> professionals and quite a few tour players.
>
> You'll find it very complicated, mainly because of the nomenclature used.
> But if you stick with it, you'll probably also find it very rewarding.
>
> --
> Cheers
> Colin Wilson
> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------
> Trentham Golf Club: http://www.trenthamgolf.com
> Barnbougle Dunes: http://publishing.kyneton.net.au/barnbougle
> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------
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| Re: The Golfing Machine [message #782932 ] |
Sun, 08 January 2006 17:58 |
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"Colin Wilson" <nowhere [at] nospam.com> wrote in message
news:oLZsf.129552$V7.49758 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Pat wrote:
>
>> Been looking through some of the website's and rec.sport.glf group and
>> see quite a lot of positive comments/repsonses about Homer Kelley and
>> The Golfing Machine. A Scientific approach to the Golf swing written in
>> the sixties... (i'm definatly going Crazy with all this stuff)
>>
>> I notice a few Pro instructors of this method in the USA but can't see
>> any in the UK .
>
> The Golfing Machine is not so much a "method". It is really a very
> detailed description of exactly how and why the golf swing functions. But
> it is still very useful to explain *why* something happens in the swing
> and how to correct it.
>
> It was written as an attempt to "remove theory and opinion from the golf
> swing". It divides the golf stroke into components, zones and functions...
> essentially describing how each affects the swing and how they are
> inter-related. As such, it's a book adhered to by a lot of teaching
> professionals and quite a few tour players.
>
> You'll find it very complicated, mainly because of the nomenclature used.
> But if you stick with it, you'll probably also find it very rewarding.
>
> --
> Cheers
> Colin Wilson
> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------
> Trentham Golf Club: http://www.trenthamgolf.com
> Barnbougle Dunes: http://publishing.kyneton.net.au/barnbougle
> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------
I stayed with a chum in Denver on the way back from skiing and coincidently
he had a copy of this book in his golf trophy room (aka the guest loo!!).
Complicated does not do it justice - the diagrams look like something out of
a 1960s mechanics text book and the text is full of titles like
'proposition' and 'principle'.
My chum says it was quite a cult thing a while back but its mostly died out
now. Oh and he picked up his copy in a junk shop for $1 (RRP $18)
--
Sam
He uses statistics as others use lamp posts: for support rather than
illumination
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| Re: The Golfing Machine [message #782934 ] |
Sun, 08 January 2006 21:09 |
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Sam wrote:
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> My chum says it was quite a cult thing a while back but its mostly died out
> now. Oh and he picked up his copy in a junk shop for $1 (RRP $18)
He's wrong, it is just as much cult now as it was then :)
The difference is that "then" they seemed to have a number of tour
players, whereas now it is strictly a grassroots movement. But the
number of instructors certified to teach the Machine has grown considerably.
Ulrich
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| Re: The Golfing Machine [message #782935 ] |
Sun, 08 January 2006 22:02 |
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Ulrich Mayring wrote:
> Sam wrote:
> >
> > My chum says it was quite a cult thing a while back but its mostly died out
> > now. Oh and he picked up his copy in a junk shop for $1 (RRP $18)
>
> He's wrong, it is just as much cult now as it was then :)
>
> The difference is that "then" they seemed to have a number of tour
> players, whereas now it is strictly a grassroots movement. But the
> number of instructors certified to teach the Machine has grown considerably.
>
> Ulrich
A lot of how we describe the swing today comes from The Golfing Machine. The
biggest problem with it is that it requires a reasonable level of literacy to
read it and understand it. It's no quick tip or 1/2 hour session on the range!
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| Re: The Golfing Machine [message #782938 ] |
Sun, 08 January 2006 23:32 |
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Rob Hamilton wrote:
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> Ulrich Mayring wrote:
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>>Sam wrote:
>>
>>>My chum says it was quite a cult thing a while back but its mostly died out
>>>now. Oh and he picked up his copy in a junk shop for $1 (RRP $18)
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>>He's wrong, it is just as much cult now as it was then :)
>>
>>The difference is that "then" they seemed to have a number of tour
>>players, whereas now it is strictly a grassroots movement. But the
>>number of instructors certified to teach the Machine has grown considerably.
>>
>>Ulrich
>
>
> A lot of how we describe the swing today comes from The Golfing Machine. The
> biggest problem with it is that it requires a reasonable level of literacy to
> read it and understand it. It's no quick tip or 1/2 hour session on the range!
>
even though golf has become more widely accessible to the hoi polloi
I doubt that lack of literacy skills in the reader is the barrier to
understanding. (if we were talking football, then that would be a
different matter). I suspect the lack of literacy is rather within the
writing skills of the author.
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| Re: The Golfing Machine [message #782941 ] |
Mon, 09 January 2006 02:12 |
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mike short wrote:
> Rob Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > Ulrich Mayring wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Sam wrote:
> >>
> >>>My chum says it was quite a cult thing a while back but its mostly died out
> >>>now. Oh and he picked up his copy in a junk shop for $1 (RRP $18)
> >>
> >>He's wrong, it is just as much cult now as it was then :)
> >>
> >>The difference is that "then" they seemed to have a number of tour
> >>players, whereas now it is strictly a grassroots movement. But the
> >>number of instructors certified to teach the Machine has grown considerably.
> >>
> >>Ulrich
> >
> >
> > A lot of how we describe the swing today comes from The Golfing Machine. The
> > biggest problem with it is that it requires a reasonable level of literacy to
> > read it and understand it. It's no quick tip or 1/2 hour session on the range!
> >
>
> even though golf has become more widely accessible to the hoi polloi
> I doubt that lack of literacy skills in the reader is the barrier to
> understanding. (if we were talking football, then that would be a
> different matter). I suspect the lack of literacy is rather within the
> writing skills of the author.
Perhaps. I find the descriptions in TGM clear and lucid, and I'm no golf pro.
Peiople always seem to say it is hard to understand, but I don't see anything in it
that is in any way hard to understand.
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| Re: The Golfing Machine [message #782942 ] |
Mon, 09 January 2006 02:24 |
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| Re: The Golfing Machine [message #782943 ] |
Mon, 09 January 2006 03:14 |
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Peter Strauss wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:32:04 GMT, mike short
> <birdieman [at] blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>>even though golf has become more widely accessible to the hoi polloi=
=20
>=20
>=20
> Just want to parade my knowledge of Greek...I don't get many such
> opporutnities; please pardon my pedantic intrusion.
>=20
> The word "hoi" means "the" in Greek.
> Therefore, the inclusion of "the" before "hoi" is redundant.
> "Hoi polloi" means "the many".
>=20
> Petros
Petros,
Sometimes pedantry leads to errors.
Note the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoi_polloi
Hoi polloi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/archive/2001/05 /30.html
Dictionary.com/Word of the Day: hoi polloi
?*??????
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| Re: The Golfing Machine [message #782945 ] |
Mon, 09 January 2006 08:05 |
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On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 01:24:07 GMT, Peter Strauss <pfs126 [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
>Just want to parade my knowledge of Greek...I don't get many such
>opporutnities; please pardon my pedantic intrusion.
>
>The word "hoi" means "the" in Greek.
>Therefore, the inclusion of "the" before "hoi" is redundant.
>"Hoi polloi" means "the many".
Yes; you are correct.
You are entitled to pick up your proofreading fee from the ATM Machine, at the
La Brea Tar Pit branch. The PIN Number is 1234.
Thomas Prufer, Department of Redundancy Dept.
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| Re: The Golfing Machine [message #782946 ] |
Mon, 09 January 2006 08:28 |
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| Re: The Golfing Machine [message #782947 ] |
Mon, 09 January 2006 08:48 |
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Peter Strauss wrote:
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> Just want to parade my knowledge of Greek...I don't get many such
> opporutnities; please pardon my pedantic intrusion.
>
'..opporutnities..'
Wow! I know how you feel......this happens to my spelling on days when I
feel particularly old..
:-)
david
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| Re: The Golfing Machine [message #782948 ] |
Mon, 09 January 2006 12:38 |
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"Peter Strauss" <pfs126 [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:nje3s193r330fdfdhrtk39ui30fs2c3vr2 [at] 4ax.com...
> On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:32:04 GMT, mike short
> <birdieman [at] blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> even though golf has become more widely accessible to the hoi polloi
>
> Just want to parade my knowledge of Greek...I don't get many such
> opporutnities; please pardon my pedantic intrusion.
>
> The word "hoi" means "the" in Greek.
> Therefore, the inclusion of "the" before "hoi" is redundant.
> "Hoi polloi" means "the many".
>
> Petros
While we are being pedantic :))
In the English equivalent the phrase 'the many' has a different meaning from
merely 'many'. It is used as a collective noun where 'many' is an adjective.
As all good Star Trek fans would recognise in - "The needs of the many
outweigh the needs of the one" according to Spock, though Kirk would reverse
that opinion.
I did Latin and not Greek, but I think the idea of the collective noun would
apply there too. The phrase 'Hoi polloi' thus is a use of 'polloi' as a
collective noun and requires the definite article (the - hoi) so meaning
'the many' or 'the masses' referring to the public at large.
Peace and Love
Janet
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| Re: The Golfing Machine [message #782949 ] |
Mon, 09 January 2006 12:40 |
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Whooops, please disregard my first answer - I misread your post, Peter.
Many apologies - or should that be apologies to the many!
Peace and Love
Janet
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"Peter Strauss" <pfs126 [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:nje3s193r330fdfdhrtk39ui30fs2c3vr2 [at] 4ax.com...
> On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:32:04 GMT, mike short
> <birdieman [at] blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> even though golf has become more widely accessible to the hoi polloi
>
> Just want to parade my knowledge of Greek...I don't get many such
> opporutnities; please pardon my pedantic intrusion.
>
> The word "hoi" means "the" in Greek.
> Therefore, the inclusion of "the" before "hoi" is redundant.
> "Hoi polloi" means "the many".
>
> Petros
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| Re: The Golfing Machine [message #799663 ] |
Mon, 09 January 2006 15:20 |
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"Peter Strauss" <pfs126 [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:hq34s1pqamh212f5vdm8n1nkf1b0pghimc [at] 4ax.com...
> On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 02:14:10 GMT, Joe <joehnospam [at] ospamwarwick.net>
> wrote:
>
<snip>
> cf. http://www.biblicalgreek.org/links/pronunciation.html
> for an interesting discussion of the subject.
>
> Class dismissed.
Oh shame. Just when it was getting interesting.
--
Sam
He uses statistics as others use lamp posts: for support rather than
illumination
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| Re: The Golfing Machine [message #799664 ] |
Mon, 09 January 2006 15:22 |
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"david s-a" <dsantwyk [at] bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:42eirjF1ic21vU1 [at] individual.net...
> Peter Strauss wrote:
>
>>
>> Just want to parade my knowledge of Greek...I don't get many such
>> opporutnities; please pardon my pedantic intrusion.
>>
>
> '..opporutnities..'
>
> Wow! I know how you feel......this happens to my spelling on days when I
> feel particularly old..
>
> :-)
>
> david
David.
In polite company (and we like to think usg is polite company) there is no
such thing as "bad spelling", only "bad typing".
--
Sam
He uses statistics as others use lamp posts: for support rather than
illumination
(Remove cap to reply)
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Mon, 09 January 2006 16:38 |
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| Re: The Golfing Machine [message #799667 ] |
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| Re: The Golfing Machine [message #799668 ] |
Mon, 09 January 2006 23:57 |
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Sam wrote:
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> David.
>
> In polite company (and we like to think usg is polite company) there is no
> such thing as "bad spelling", only "bad typing".
>
Sam,
We're talking about the man with the extraordinary pockets in his lower
golfing apparel.....is there a polite word for bad dress sense?
cheers
david
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| Re: The Golfing Machine [message #799669 ] |
Tue, 10 January 2006 01:12 |
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Peter Strauss wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 02:14:10 GMT, Joe <joehnospam [at] ospamwarwick.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Peter Strauss wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:32:04 GMT, mike short
>>><birdieman [at] blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>even though golf has become more widely accessible to the hoi polloi
>>>
>>>
>>>Just want to parade my knowledge of Greek...I don't get many such
>>>opporutnities; please pardon my pedantic intrusion.
>>>
>>>The word "hoi" means "the" in Greek.
>>>Therefore, the inclusion of "the" before "hoi" is redundant.
>>>"Hoi polloi" means "the many".
>>>
>>>Petros
>>
>>Petros,
>>
>>Sometimes pedantry leads to errors.
>>
>>Note the following:
>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoi_polloi
>>Hoi polloi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
>>
>> http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/archive/2001/05 /30.html
>>Dictionary.com/Word of the Day: hoi polloi
>>
>
> The fact is, "hoi" is the definite article in Greek, both ancient and
> modern.
> The fact that "the hoi polloi" is considered correct in English does
> not make it any less redundant, as the Wikipedia article points out.
>
> BTW: I was trained for a year (6 hours a day, 5 days a week) as a
> Green interpreter/translator in the US Military, and my instructors
> were all Greek-born folk.
> I trust what they taught.
> "Hoi" is an approximation of what someone thinks ancient Green sounded
> like. Actually, the word is spelled omicron iota, with a diacritical
> mark before the omicron which has been interpreted to sound like an
> "h". In modern Greek, the word is pronounced to sound like "eee", and
> the same syllable at the end of the word "polloi" similarly sounds
> like "eee". It is the plural of the word "poly" (pi omicron lambda
> upsilon), also pronounced "polee".
>
> cf. http://www.biblicalgreek.org/links/pronunciation.html
> for an interesting discussion of the subject.
>
> Class dismissed.
>
What a load of semantic irrelevance Mr Petros. I was writing in
English not greek and incorporating the adopted greek phrase within the
normal grammatical convention of Modern English Usage. Without the
definite article many readers would wonder if Hoi Polloi was in fact a
player on the Asian Tour.
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| Re: The Golfing Machine [message #799670 ] |
Tue, 10 January 2006 01:30 |
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"david s-a" <dsantwyk [at] bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:42g83nF1hokgbU1 [at] individual.net...
> Sam wrote:
>>
>> David.
>>
>> In polite company (and we like to think usg is polite company) there is
>> no such thing as "bad spelling", only "bad typing".
>>
>
> Sam,
>
> We're talking about the man with the extraordinary pockets in his lower
> golfing apparel.....is there a polite word for bad dress sense?
>
> cheers
> david
>
How about 'fashionistically challenged'?
Alternatively, there is 'nunty' - a great word from a dialect spoken in an
area round a town called Grimsby which means 'afashionable', as in 'asexual'
--
Sam
He uses statistics as others use lamp posts: for support rather than
illumination
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| Re: The Golfing Machine [message #799671 ] |
Tue, 10 January 2006 03:37 |
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On 8-Jan-2006, Peter Strauss <pfs126 [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:32:04 GMT, mike short
> <birdieman [at] blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > even though golf has become more widely accessible to the hoi
> > polloi
>
> Just want to parade my knowledge of Greek...I don't get many such
> opporutnities; please pardon my pedantic intrusion.
>
> The word "hoi" means "the" in Greek.
> Therefore, the inclusion of "the" before "hoi" is redundant.
> "Hoi polloi" means "the many".
Petros,
You do know that the UK is the birthplace of a musical group called "The
The" don't you? ;-)
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Tue, 10 January 2006 10:00 |
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"bill-o" <assimilate [at] borg.org> wrote in
news:43c31df1$0$13825$882e0bbb [at] news.ThunderNews.com:
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> On 8-Jan-2006, Peter Strauss <pfs126 [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:32:04 GMT, mike short
>> <birdieman [at] blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > even though golf has become more widely accessible to the hoi
>> > polloi
>>
>> Just want to parade my knowledge of Greek...I don't get many such
>> opporutnities; please pardon my pedantic intrusion.
>>
>> The word "hoi" means "the" in Greek.
>> Therefore, the inclusion of "the" before "hoi" is redundant.
>> "Hoi polloi" means "the many".
>
> Petros,
>
> You do know that the UK is the birthplace of a musical group called
> "The The" don't you? ;-)
The Who?
NB
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| Re: The Golfing Machine [message #799686 ] |
Tue, 10 January 2006 21:59 |
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bill-o wrote:
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> You do know that the UK is the birthplace of a musical group called "The
> The" don't you? ;-)
The who?
Ulrich
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| Re: The Golfing Machine [message #799755 ] |
Thu, 12 January 2006 21:29 |
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Peter Strauss <pfs126 [at] earthlink.net> writes:
> "Hoi" is an approximation of what someone thinks ancient Green sounded
Where can I find this ancient Green?
I think I would enjoy playing it.
--
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-- David "Thor" Collard
-- thorpub [at] rsgohio.com
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