| Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088151] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 15:29 |
|
|
You heard it here first.
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088154 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 15:37 |
|
I'm sure Zidane is so upset with his punishment especially since he
already announced his retirement.
FIFA is a joke.
How many other players should be banned for using foul language?
What kind of precedent does this set?
nmdc69 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
> You heard it here first.
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088162 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 17:05 |
|
<nmdc69 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153402146.877894.139350 [at] m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> You heard it here first.
Materazzi banned for two competitive matches.
September 2: Italy - Estonia(?)
September 6: France - Italy
How convenient.
Daniele
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088163 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 16:13 |
|
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:05:14 +0200, "Futbolmetrix"
<futbolmetrix [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
><nmdc69 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> You heard it here first.
>
>Materazzi banned for two competitive matches.
>
>September 2: Italy - Estonia(?)
>September 6: France - Italy
>
>How convenient.
Good. Put it behind you (pl.).
The only thing that would've made it perfect, would have been for
Materazzi and Zidane to meet at half-field, and shake hands before the
battery of photographers and fans.
But the world ain't perfect.
--
http://futuremd.blogspot.com/
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088166 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 16:19 |
|
> The only thing that would've made it perfect, would have been for
> Materazzi and Zidane to meet at half-field, and shake hands before the
> battery of photographers and fans.
>
Zidane's sister giving a hug to Materazzi, *that* would have been
perfect.
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088168 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 16:34 |
|
<nmdc69 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153405163.549838.104260 [at] 75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > The only thing that would've made it perfect, would have been for
> > Materazzi and Zidane to meet at half-field, and shake hands before the
> > battery of photographers and fans.
> >
>
> Zidane's sister giving a hug to Materazzi, *that* would have been
> perfect.
>
I was thinking of something similar except it had a gag ball, leather whip
and Zizou in a gimp suit
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088174 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 16:53 |
|
Futbolmetrix a écrit :
> <nmdc69 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1153402146.877894.139350 [at] m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> You heard it here first.
>
> Materazzi banned for two competitive matches.
>
> September 2: Italy - Estonia(?)
> September 6: France - Italy
>
> How convenient.
16-8-2006 : Italia - Croatia
I think Materazzi will be available for France - Italy
>
> Daniele
>
>
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088176 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 17:05 |
|
Randy Monk wrote:
> <nmdc69 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1153405163.549838.104260 [at] 75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > The only thing that would've made it perfect, would have been for
> > > Materazzi and Zidane to meet at half-field, and shake hands before the
> > > battery of photographers and fans.
> > >
> >
> > Zidane's sister giving a hug to Materazzi, *that* would have been
> > perfect.
> >
>
> I was thinking of something similar except it had a gag ball, leather whip
> and Zizou in a gimp suit
nice visual. I wonder if the 4500 Euro fine would cover her fee.
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088186 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 18:06 |
|
someone with an alias wrote:
>Futbolmetrix a écrit :
>> <nmdc69 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>16-8-2006 : Italia - Croatia
>
>I think Materazzi will be available for France - Italy
I think that 16 Aug match is a friendly (same day as Ger - Swe), so it
wouldn't count. The two matches Daniele lists are the first two
qualifiers for Euro2008.
--
ciao,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088190 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 18:19 |
|
Futbolmetrix wrote:
> <nmdc69 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1153402146.877894.139350 [at] m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> > You heard it here first.
>
> Materazzi banned for two competitive matches.
>
> September 2: Italy - Estonia(?)
> September 6: France - Italy
>
> How convenient.
>
> Daniele
By the way, Italy is facing Lithuania, not Estonia on Sept 2.
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088192 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 18:26 |
|
anders t:
> More than 57% of ~33000 poll takers for Swedish Aftonbladet thinks
> Materazzi got away too easy.
>
> ZIDANE (35757 votes):
> Too mild 26.5% - 39.6% Too harsh
> (Just right 33.9%)
>
> MATERAZZI (32758 votes):
> Too mild 57.4% - 25.0% Too harsh
> (Just right 17.6%)
A 2 match ban is in line with Frings' ban for a punch
and Rooney's ban for a stamp. I would not call it too
mild unless those other bans were too mild.
R.
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088195 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 18:21 |
|
|
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088196 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 18:38 |
|
|
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088203 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 18:58 |
|
Let's imagine the exact reverse: Materazzi headbutting Zidane after a
verbal "provocation".
My guess:
- Zidane not punished, Materazzi 8 days.
- Press all over the world crying for poor Zidane and foaming at thug
Materazzi
(ok, this one wouldn't change).
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088211 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 20:41 |
|
"Rolleston" wrote
> anders t:
> > More than 57% of ~33000 poll takers for Swedish Aftonbladet thinks
> > Materazzi got away too easy.
> >
> > ZIDANE (35757 votes):
> > Too mild 26.5% - 39.6% Too harsh
> > (Just right 33.9%)
> >
> > MATERAZZI (32758 votes):
> > Too mild 57.4% - 25.0% Too harsh
> > (Just right 17.6%)
>
> A 2 match ban is in line with Frings' ban for a punch
> and Rooney's ban for a stamp. I would not call it too
> mild unless those other bans were too mild.
Zidane said he'd rather have been punched in the face
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088212 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 20:39 |
|
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:21:30 +0200, anders t
<anthu_001 [at] No€SPaM€_hotmail.com> wrote:
>More than 57% of ~33000 poll takers for Swedish Aftonbladet thinks
>Materazzi got away too easy.
>
>ZIDANE (35757 votes):
>Too mild 26.5% - 39.6% Too harsh
>(Just right 33.9%)
>
>MATERAZZI (32758 votes):
>Too mild 57.4% - 25.0% Too harsh
>(Just right 17.6%)
So in sweden if you insult somebody and the other reacts hitting you,
it's in his rights, all in all you have to expect it.
Good, I will remember to bring an helmet when I come to sweden.
The interesting poll, though, would be knowing what the danes think
about it...
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088213 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 20:45 |
|
"Futbolmetrix" wrote
> Materazzi banned for two competitive matches.
>
> September 2: Italy - Estonia(?)
> September 6: France - Italy
>
> How convenient.
Yes, they couldn't wait to bury this thing and avoid the possibility of
further installments.
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088214 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 20:40 |
|
anders t wrote:
> More than 57% of ~33000 poll takers for Swedish Aftonbladet thinks
> Materazzi got away too easy.
>
> ZIDANE (35757 votes):
> Too mild 26.5% - 39.6% Too harsh
> (Just right 33.9%)
>
> MATERAZZI (32758 votes):
> Too mild 57.4% - 25.0% Too harsh
> (Just right 17.6%)
>
I thought the Swedes had matured a little since my golden years in
Stockholm, but alas, no. The criminal still gets all the sympathy. The
victims still gets all the blame. No wonder they didn=B4t want to punish
Palme=B4s killer. L
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088217 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 20:46 |
|
Goldmund <user [at] provider.com> writes:
> So in sweden if you insult somebody and the other reacts hitting you,
> it's in his rights, all in all you have to expect it.
> Good, I will remember to bring an helmet when I come to sweden.
You're anticipating insulting people there?
R.
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088218 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 20:46 |
|
Victoria Barrett wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:05:14 +0200, "Futbolmetrix"
> <futbolmetrix [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> ><nmdc69 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> You heard it here first.
> >
> >Materazzi banned for two competitive matches.
> >
> >September 2: Italy - Estonia(?)
> >September 6: France - Italy
> >
> >How convenient.
>
> Good. Put it behind you (pl.).
>
> The only thing that would've made it perfect, would have been for
> Materazzi and Zidane to meet at half-field, and shake hands before the
> battery of photographers and fans.
.... and move to Vermont as somebody suggested?!
- g
>
> But the world ain't perfect.
>
> --
> http://futuremd.blogspot.com/
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088220 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 20:52 |
|
EvaHayworth [at] gmail.com wrote:
> I'm sure Zidane is so upset with his punishment especially since he
> already announced his retirement.
>
> FIFA is a joke.
>
> How many other players should be banned for using foul language?
> What kind of precedent does this set?
No precedent, this is an ad personam thing. Zidane is more equal than
the others.
I never felt so proud NOT to be French, today.
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088221 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 20:59 |
|
"Rolleston" <Nemo [at] nullsome.net> wrote
> Goldmund <user [at] provider.com> writes:
> > So in sweden if you insult somebody and the other reacts hitting you,
> > it's in his rights, all in all you have to expect it.
> > Good, I will remember to bring an helmet when I come to sweden.
>
> You're anticipating insulting people there?
it's part of the game, you know ...
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088225 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 21:28 |
|
Materazzi is a champion, he scored in the final. Blatter refused to
reward italy after the match: this is a scandal. It explains why they
punished materazzi.
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088226 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 21:30 |
|
Victoria Barrett wrote:
..> The only thing that would've made it perfect, would have been for
> Materazzi and Zidane to meet at half-field, and shake hands before the
> battery of photographers and fans.
>
I disagree. Anybody that has a even small knowledge of football knows
that players insult eachother all the time. Zidane surely did it may
thousand
times in his career himself. So what happened shows that Zidane is
a lier and an hypocrit, besides having a poor control of his nerves
when
he is not winning :o))).
So the first thing Materazzi must do, when meeting Zidane again, is
to ask him how is that whore of his sister, obviously keeping ready
to smash his head if he tries to get near...
and more... each italian player, during the game, will be asking the
french players how their mother and sisters are getting along :O))))
r.l.
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088227 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 21:34 |
|
|
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088228 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 21:38 |
|
|
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088229 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 21:39 |
|
|
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088230 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 21:42 |
|
Goldmund <user [at] provider.com> wrote:
> So in sweden if you insult somebody and the other reacts hitting you,
> it's in his rights, all in all you have to expect it.
No. Both him and you will be punished. Wasn't that the case for ZZ-MM?
--
Florian
"Tout est au mieux dans le meilleure des mondes possible"
Voltaire vs Leibniz
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088232 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 21:52 |
|
<bellavalle [at] email.it> wrote:
> Materazzi is a champion, he scored in the final. Blatter refused to
> reward italy after the match: this is a scandal. It explains why they
> punished materazzi.
A scandal is what currently happens in Serie A. Period.
--
Florian
"Tout est au mieux dans le meilleure des mondes possible"
Voltaire vs Leibniz
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088234 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 22:21 |
|
anders t wrote:
> Quoting LeGar in rec.sport.soccer:
>
> >I thought the Swedes had matured a little since my golden years in
> >Stockholm, but alas, no. The criminal still gets all the sympathy.
>
> You sympathize with the one who provokes and instigates violence.
>
Materazzi? No way, he=B4s a thug and always was a disgrace to football.
But he should not be punished for some silly verbal insults, something
most of the players do most of the time. Reprimanded maybe, but not
punished. L
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088236 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 22:24 |
|
|
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088242 ] |
Fri, 21 July 2006 00:24 |
|
Ok...let's prepare to see how many times a player will be punished for
saying something like Materazzi tell to Zidane. Considering that during
a football match usually 22 players say bad words, uhm...we're going to
see 50% of the matches in a season for referee provisions.
Absurd...Fifa fuck off...you're jocking.
According to me, it was right:
Zidane: out for 1 year
Materazzi: nothing.
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088243 ] |
Fri, 21 July 2006 00:27 |
|
Francesi di merda, non siete leali e onesti manco per un cazzo.
Al posto vostro, da italiano e a parti invertite, per lealt=E0 sportiva,
avrei gridato allo scandalo....
Questo costituisce un precedente...Ogni partita dovrebbe finire prima
del previsto per 22 espulsioni prima del 90'.
Blatter odia l'Italia perch=E8 questo doveva essere il mondiale Adidas
ma l'Italia ha fatto fuori sia la Germania che la Francia che erano
borchiate con quella griffe.
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088251 ] |
Fri, 21 July 2006 01:36 |
|
<nmdc69 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153402146.877894.139350 [at] m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> You heard it here first.
LOL!
Are they for real??? Fifa is a joke.
And for all the assholes who doubted Materazzi, THERE WERE NO RACIST
COMMENTS.
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088253 ] |
Fri, 21 July 2006 01:38 |
|
Diabolik wrote:
> LOL!
> Are they for real??? Fifa is a joke.
>
Are they for real? Yes. Do they have a shred of credibility? No. L
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088256 ] |
Fri, 21 July 2006 02:58 |
|
<nmdc69 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153402146.877894.139350 [at] m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> You heard it here first.
>
FIFA continues to prove it's a joke.
Zidane headbutt gets the same penalty as Mastroeni's ill-advised tackle and
DeRossi's elbow to McBride's head gets a worse penalty.
Jason
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088266 ] |
Fri, 21 July 2006 03:59 |
|
EvaHayworth [at] gmail.com wrote:
> I'm sure Zidane is so upset with his punishment especially since he
> already announced his retirement.
>
> FIFA is a joke.
>
> How many other players should be banned for using foul language?
> What kind of precedent does this set?
>
>
> nmdc69 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
> > You heard it here first.
FIFA is a joke. Zidane is a thug and a LeTerroiste.
Materazzi is a champion and the only man to score a goal in the World
Cup final with the exception of Toni. Toni was not offside.
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088274 ] |
Fri, 21 July 2006 04:35 |
|
On 20 Jul 2006 11:40:28 -0700, "LeGar" <arminsson [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>anders t wrote:
>> More than 57% of ~33000 poll takers for Swedish Aftonbladet thinks
>> Materazzi got away too easy.
>>
>> ZIDANE (35757 votes):
>> Too mild 26.5% - 39.6% Too harsh
>> (Just right 33.9%)
>>
>> MATERAZZI (32758 votes):
>> Too mild 57.4% - 25.0% Too harsh
>> (Just right 17.6%)
>I thought the Swedes had matured a little since my golden years in
>Stockholm, but alas, no. The criminal still gets all the sympathy. The
>victims still gets all the blame. No wonder they didn´t want to punish
>Palme´s killer. L
I was just thinking of that. Swedes, otherwise decent, are rather
naive when it comes to recognizing and dealing with criminals,
possibly due to an egotistical sense of democracy. As a result of a
knee-jerk assumption that anybody fleeing from lesser democracies or
regimes must be victims, Sweden has become a safe haven for criminals
from the third world.
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088299 ] |
Fri, 21 July 2006 06:53 |
|
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:42:46 +0200, firstname [at] lastname.net (Florian)
wrote:
>Goldmund <user [at] provider.com> wrote:
>
>> So in sweden if you insult somebody and the other reacts hitting you,
>> it's in his rights, all in all you have to expect it.
>
>No. Both him and you will be punished. Wasn't that the case for ZZ-MM?
3-2 is not an equal punishment, it's pretty evident.
and it's a clear message by Fifa, since Zidane has retired anyway, a 5
match ban would have had no effect, but this is a giant excuse to
recover the mess he made in his last match, to make him appear a
victim and let him go among the saints of football.
|
|
|
| Re: Fifa verdict: Zidane 3, Materazzi 2 [message #1088300 ] |
Fri, 21 July 2006 06:57 |
|
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:46:03 +0100, Rolleston <Nemo [at] nullsome.net>
wrote:
>Goldmund <user [at] provider.com> writes:
>> So in sweden if you insult somebody and the other reacts hitting you,
>> it's in his rights, all in all you have to expect it.
>> Good, I will remember to bring an helmet when I come to sweden.
>
>You're anticipating insulting people there?
I'm not insulting the swedes, they are nice people, I'm just
translating the poll (whose reliability is to be checked btw): you
insult somebody and you get beaten and the the proportion of your
punishemnt is 2/3 of who beated you: too mild says the poll. So...
|
|
|
