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Mon, 10 July 2006 15:23 |
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<seatosummit28 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1152508992.865037.310670 [at] 35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> I'm an extremely neurotic individual. At least one in a thousand. i
> know more about this subject than anybody. There is no blood test for
> any of the mental disorders. Noone knows how the brain or physiology
> of
> neurotic differs from a normal person. I just use adrenaline as an
> analogy. My standards, values , expectations, etc are different than a
> relaxed person but it would be difficult to go into the brain and find
> structural anolmolies associated with these differences. I would love
> to relax and sleep one day. I dont think it will happen.
All I see is you analyzing you. When you say "i know more about this
subject than anybody" you are your own worst enemy. You have yet to
admit you have ever been to a doctor. I know there are meds available
to help this condition and still exercise. You don't think you are the
only neurotic person in the world, do you? There is a fine line between
type A, which we have set of right here in r.r, to neuroses.
This all assumes your not trolling and I think you are.
-DF
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| Re: triathons or adventure racing is better for you than running marathons [message #1074039 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 06:43 |
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I've studied psychiatry and seen lots of shrinks. The meds dont work.
The studies that say they work are not scientific. i'm contemplating
writing a book on mental illness.
Believe it or not, Tom Cruise is right about psychiatry. There are a
lot of people who are forced to take these "meds" that do not work.
Most mental illness is caused by social problems: low confidence and
not fitting in.
I dont know there is a difference between A-type personalty and
neuroses. Why do most first borns do better than their siblings at most
sports and academics? The first born begins with higher expectations
and standards. The parents expect more of the eldest child and are more
easily disappointed if the child does not achieve. They begin to feel
good about themselves only when they achieve. The next child in line
has a lot less pressure on them. The first born represents the family
not the second born. The second born becomes more social and feels good
about themselves when they make others feel good rather than achieving.
An A-type person can have lots of confidence and be very socially
competent. I guess a neurotic is someone ugly or stupid or short who
feels inadequate ie woody allen. They may compensate for feelings of
inadequacy by achieving things or they might just slip into a lifetime
of depression.
Doug Freese wrote:
> <seatosummit28 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1152508992.865037.310670 [at] 35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > I'm an extremely neurotic individual. At least one in a thousand. i
> > know more about this subject than anybody. There is no blood test for
> > any of the mental disorders. Noone knows how the brain or physiology
> > of
> > neurotic differs from a normal person. I just use adrenaline as an
> > analogy. My standards, values , expectations, etc are different than a
> > relaxed person but it would be difficult to go into the brain and find
> > structural anolmolies associated with these differences. I would love
> > to relax and sleep one day. I dont think it will happen.
>
> All I see is you analyzing you. When you say "i know more about this
> subject than anybody" you are your own worst enemy. You have yet to
> admit you have ever been to a doctor. I know there are meds available
> to help this condition and still exercise. You don't think you are the
> only neurotic person in the world, do you? There is a fine line between
> type A, which we have set of right here in r.r, to neuroses.
>
> This all assumes your not trolling and I think you are.
>
> -DF
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| Re: triathons or adventure racing is better for you than running marathons [message #1074047 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 14:06 |
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<seatosummit28 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1152593016.749521.176710 [at] 35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> I've studied psychiatry and seen lots of shrinks. The meds dont work.
They don't work for you or don't work for everyone, or don't work for
some percent? I realize shrinkology is not an exact science, hell so is
medicine, but I know people that are being helped nicely with meds.
It's well known that is not always easy to find the correct flavor and
dosage and needs constant monitoring. I will agree that meds are
over-prescribed be it mental or physical. Some of this is driven by the
perception. People demand a magic elixir before they leave the office.
The idiot box is inundated by drug companies with ads to solve just
about every malady. Ijust love the ED ads - call the doc if you get a 4
hour tilt in your kilt. My conclusion some help and some don't and to
say they don't, is untrue.
> The studies that say they work are not scientific.
Care you cite one so we can see your plight.
> i'm contemplating writing a book on mental illness.
And the thrust of the book is? We rally need a new fad diet book.
Atkins has fizzled like all the others and South Beach hasn't gained any
momentum. And you credentials are? As far as I can tell you don't
understand the basics of physiology much less mental health. Call us
when you get your advance.
> Believe it or not, Tom Cruise is right about psychiatry. There are a
> lot of people who are forced to take these "meds" that do not work.
Careful about using Tom Cruise as a source of information - it's like
using Liz Taylor as a marriage counselor or Michael Jackson for child
rearing. Ooops, bad play on words.
> Most mental illness is caused by social problems: low confidence and
> not fitting in.
Most? Again, help me with a web page or two to spell this out. Last time
I looked some was social/behavioral, some was genetic and some is
physical and some all of them. You have some definitive study? You have
my interest.
..
> I dont know there is a difference between A-type personalty and
> neuroses.
That's like saying there is no difference between the common cold and
bubonic plague,they both make you fell bad. You really want to claim
that type A:
"relating to, characteristic of, having, or being a personality that is
marked by impatience, aggressiveness, and competitiveness"
and neurosis:
" a mental and emotional disorder that affects only part of the
personality, is accompanied by a less distorted perception of reality
than in a psychosis, does not result in disturbance of the use of
language, and is accompanied by various physical, physiological, and
mental disturbances (as visceral symptoms, anxieties, or phobias)"
are the same or close across the board? You say you studied psychiatry?
In your case I'm leaning to a diagnosis of phycosis:
" fundamental derangement of the mind (as in schizophrenia)
characterized by defective or lost contact with reality especially as
evidenced by delusions, hallucinations, and disorganized speech and
behavior "
> Why do most first borns do better than their siblings at most
> sports and academics? The first born begins with higher expectations
> and standards. The parents expect more of the eldest child and are
> more
> easily disappointed if the child does not achieve. They begin to feel
> good about themselves only when they achieve. The next child in line
> has a lot less pressure on them. The first born represents the family
> not the second born. The second born becomes more social and feels
> good
> about themselves when they make others feel good rather than
> achieving.
> An A-type person can have lots of confidence and be very socially
> competent. I guess a neurotic is someone ugly or stupid or short who
> feels inadequate ie woody allen. They may compensate for feelings of
> inadequacy by achieving things or they might just slip into a lifetime
> of depression.
Woody Allen? Is TV Guide or Entertainment Tonight your source of
information? So, you were the second born and feel abused and why you
are not wrapped tight? Are you claiming all second born experience the
same or just you? Sounds a little delusional, with a hint of
persecution complex or you're trolling without a rudder.
-DF
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| Re: triathons or adventure racing is better for you than running marathons [message #1074067 ] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 02:21 |
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dfreese [at] hvc.rr.com wrote:
> information? So, you were the second born and feel abused and why you
> are not wrapped tight? Are you claiming all second born experience the
> same or just you? Sounds a little delusional, with a hint of
> persecution complex or you're trolling without a rudder.
I'm the fourth born. No wonder I'm so f* [at] ^#ed up!
--
Phil M.
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| Re: triathons or adventure racing is better for you than running marathons [message #1074076 ] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 11:06 |
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I've never heard that definition of neurosis before. I know that some
shrinks definitely think like that. There saying someone like woody
allen is half way to being psychotic ie. his physical brain has
anomolies that cause him to be paranoid. I think most people with
common sense realize woody allen is shy and nervous because he is
short, ugly, and jewish. I'm a first born of six. Psychiatrists are
merely witch doctors. They are very similar to the Catholic Church.
This has been proven over and over again by independent studies which
show that shrinks cannot tell the difference between the different
disorders and cannot tell the difference between a normal person and
abnormal person. The drug studies are conducted by shareholder in the
drug companies. many of the study subjects are stock holders. the
studies are not double-blind. the studies rely on the subjective
reporting of the patient. it takes a lot of work, but you can go
through the studies and see that they prove nothing. For example, if
alcohol was a new drug , it would be a miracle drug according to how
the studies are conducted. very few are more than 12 weeks long. This
is really off-topic. Lets kill this.
Doug Freese wrote:
> <seatosummit28 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1152593016.749521.176710 [at] 35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > I've studied psychiatry and seen lots of shrinks. The meds dont work.
>
> They don't work for you or don't work for everyone, or don't work for
> some percent? I realize shrinkology is not an exact science, hell so is
> medicine, but I know people that are being helped nicely with meds.
> It's well known that is not always easy to find the correct flavor and
> dosage and needs constant monitoring. I will agree that meds are
> over-prescribed be it mental or physical. Some of this is driven by the
> perception. People demand a magic elixir before they leave the office.
> The idiot box is inundated by drug companies with ads to solve just
> about every malady. Ijust love the ED ads - call the doc if you get a 4
> hour tilt in your kilt. My conclusion some help and some don't and to
> say they don't, is untrue.
>
> > The studies that say they work are not scientific.
>
> Care you cite one so we can see your plight.
>
> > i'm contemplating writing a book on mental illness.
>
> And the thrust of the book is? We rally need a new fad diet book.
> Atkins has fizzled like all the others and South Beach hasn't gained any
> momentum. And you credentials are? As far as I can tell you don't
> understand the basics of physiology much less mental health. Call us
> when you get your advance.
>
>
> > Believe it or not, Tom Cruise is right about psychiatry. There are a
> > lot of people who are forced to take these "meds" that do not work.
>
> Careful about using Tom Cruise as a source of information - it's like
> using Liz Taylor as a marriage counselor or Michael Jackson for child
> rearing. Ooops, bad play on words.
>
> > Most mental illness is caused by social problems: low confidence and
> > not fitting in.
>
> Most? Again, help me with a web page or two to spell this out. Last time
> I looked some was social/behavioral, some was genetic and some is
> physical and some all of them. You have some definitive study? You have
> my interest.
> .
>
> > I dont know there is a difference between A-type personalty and
> > neuroses.
>
> That's like saying there is no difference between the common cold and
> bubonic plague,they both make you fell bad. You really want to claim
> that type A:
> "relating to, characteristic of, having, or being a personality that is
> marked by impatience, aggressiveness, and competitiveness"
>
> and neurosis:
> " a mental and emotional disorder that affects only part of the
> personality, is accompanied by a less distorted perception of reality
> than in a psychosis, does not result in disturbance of the use of
> language, and is accompanied by various physical, physiological, and
> mental disturbances (as visceral symptoms, anxieties, or phobias)"
>
> are the same or close across the board? You say you studied psychiatry?
> In your case I'm leaning to a diagnosis of phycosis:
> " fundamental derangement of the mind (as in schizophrenia)
> characterized by defective or lost contact with reality especially as
> evidenced by delusions, hallucinations, and disorganized speech and
> behavior "
>
> > Why do most first borns do better than their siblings at most
> > sports and academics? The first born begins with higher expectations
> > and standards. The parents expect more of the eldest child and are
> > more
> > easily disappointed if the child does not achieve. They begin to feel
> > good about themselves only when they achieve. The next child in line
> > has a lot less pressure on them. The first born represents the family
> > not the second born. The second born becomes more social and feels
> > good
> > about themselves when they make others feel good rather than
> > achieving.
> > An A-type person can have lots of confidence and be very socially
> > competent. I guess a neurotic is someone ugly or stupid or short who
> > feels inadequate ie woody allen. They may compensate for feelings of
> > inadequacy by achieving things or they might just slip into a lifetime
> > of depression.
>
> Woody Allen? Is TV Guide or Entertainment Tonight your source of
> information? So, you were the second born and feel abused and why you
> are not wrapped tight? Are you claiming all second born experience the
> same or just you? Sounds a little delusional, with a hint of
> persecution complex or you're trolling without a rudder.
>
> -DF
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| Re: triathons or adventure racing is better for you than running marathons [message #1074078 ] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 15:49 |
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<seatosummit28 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1152695188.302168.64080 [at] b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> I've never heard that definition of neurosis before.
Meriam Webster - not mine.
> I know that some shrinks definitely think like that. There saying
> someone like woody
> allen is half way to being psychotic ie. his physical brain has
> anomolies that cause him to be paranoid.
And they tested this how or just supposition?
> I think most people with
> common sense realize woody allen is shy and nervous because he is
> short, ugly, and jewish.
Oh it must be that! So he was ok as a kid, discovered later he was
short, ugly, and Jewish, and turned neurotic? I can understand in
general about being short and ugly, although they are arbitrary but
Jewish? This religious implication sounds racially contrived. Oh, maybe
the result of a circumcision when he was 40? That might smart just a wee
bit especially with his inclination to have sex with young ladies a la
Mia's adopted daughter Soon-Yi Previn. A mere 35 years difference in
age. Neurotic yes, but I think he a few more bats in the belfry.
> I'm a first born of six.
For your parents sake I hope the other 5 are more balanced.
> Psychiatrists are merely witch doctors.
Yup! They get stuffed dolls, pins and funny head gear when the graduate
from school.
> They are very similar to the Catholic Church.
Just wait till the Pope hears this one. he has an exorcism waiting for
you.
> This has been proven over and over again by independent studies which
> show that shrinks cannot tell the difference between the different
> disorders and cannot tell the difference between a normal person and
> abnormal person.
Just one little web page so we can see the basis of your "fact."
> The drug studies are conducted by shareholder in the
> drug companies. many of the study subjects are stock holders. the
> studies are not double-blind. the studies rely on the subjective
> reporting of the patient. it takes a lot of work, but you can go
> through the studies and see that they prove nothing.
So every test is performed this sam shoddy way and thus every shrink is
evil or nmisguided? Sounds like the prereq for psyciatry is to screw up
the world. Are they also lousy Mds and why they go on?
> alcohol was a new drug , it would be a miracle drug according to how
> the studies are conducted. very few are more than 12 weeks long. This
> is really off-topic. Lets kill this.
It's actually an interesting discussion and a true conundrum. You who
need some serious shrinking don't like nor trust those that can help you
most. I sense a little, ok a lot of paranoia but I don't have a
shingle. To ties this back to running, unless you get a grip on this
condition, your running will always suck and not condusive to positive
social interaction. Do some of you acquaintances think you are a bit
strange?
Do you have the same opion about medical doctors? How about Dentists and
vets or anyone in authority?
-DF
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