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| Lob wedge recommendation required [message #1035872] |
So, 21 Mai 2006 23:16 |
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Recommendations please.
A lob wedge around 60 degrees. I want it for chipping onto the green over
bunkers, banks, water etc from tight bare lies therefore it must have as
little "sole bounce" as possible. I've no intention any more of playing
"full" shots with it (Thats the reason I got rid of the last one!) I play
with hardish brands of ball so I'm not looking fancy materials or grooves to
spin the ball as I can't do that anyway! I'm not brand consious and cheap in
this case is good, less that £50 would be great, less than £30 even better.
FWIW I use an old set (Approx 7-8 years old) of Callaway Big Bertha irons. I
still really like them but the sand iron has to much bounce for bare lies.
TIA ... John
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| Re: Lob wedge recommendation required [message #1035873 ] |
Mo, 22 Mai 2006 04:29 |
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FWIW, I have found that an LW, or any wedge isn't going to work well if you get
bounce from hardpan. The bounce results in blading the shot because it kicks the
leading edgoe of the clubhead into the ball. Every course in these parts has a
lot of hardpan, and I have made very good use of a low bounce LW; and old Hogan
Tour Grind (like the Tom Kite grind, but when they dropped Kite, it became pro
grind!). I'm no great player though, mind you, but I do OK from hardpan. My
higher bounce wedge is my 56 degree SW.
JC wrote:
> Recommendations please.
>
> A lob wedge around 60 degrees. I want it for chipping onto the green over
> bunkers, banks, water etc from tight bare lies therefore it must have as
> little "sole bounce" as possible. I've no intention any more of playing
> "full" shots with it (Thats the reason I got rid of the last one!) I play
> with hardish brands of ball so I'm not looking fancy materials or grooves to
> spin the ball as I can't do that anyway! I'm not brand consious and cheap in
> this case is good, less that £50 would be great, less than £30 even better.
>
> FWIW I use an old set (Approx 7-8 years old) of Callaway Big Bertha irons. I
> still really like them but the sand iron has to much bounce for bare lies.
>
> TIA ... John
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| Re: Lob wedge recommendation required [message #1035874 ] |
Mo, 22 Mai 2006 11:10 |
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"JC" <tullyhubbert [at] (Spam Trap) yahoo.com> wrote in
news:5_SdnRexcYFnRe3ZRVny1Q [at] pipex.net:
> Recommendations please.
>
> A lob wedge around 60 degrees. I want it for chipping onto the green
> over bunkers, banks, water etc from tight bare lies therefore it must
> have as little "sole bounce" as possible. I've no intention any more
> of playing "full" shots with it (Thats the reason I got rid of the
> last one!) I play with hardish brands of ball so I'm not looking fancy
> materials or grooves to spin the ball as I can't do that anyway! I'm
> not brand consious and cheap in this case is good, less that £50 would
> be great, less than £30 even better.
>
> FWIW I use an old set (Approx 7-8 years old) of Callaway Big Bertha
> irons. I still really like them but the sand iron has to much bounce
> for bare lies.
>
> TIA ... John
>
I'm getting pretty good, consistent results with a nice Cleveland 58
Tour wedge. It's rusting up nicely and with a good free swing gets
plenty of flight. Nice as well to open the face and effectively get a
60 or more.
NB
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| Re: Lob wedge recommendation required [message #1035876 ] |
Di, 23 Mai 2006 00:24 |
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"JC" <tullyhubbert [at] (Spam Trap) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5_SdnRexcYFnRe3ZRVny1Q [at] pipex.net...
> Recommendations please.
>
> A lob wedge around 60 degrees. I want it for chipping onto the green over
> bunkers, banks, water etc from tight bare lies therefore it must have as
> little "sole bounce" as possible. I've no intention any more of playing
> "full" shots with it (Thats the reason I got rid of the last one!) I play
> with hardish brands of ball so I'm not looking fancy materials or grooves
> to spin the ball as I can't do that anyway! I'm not brand consious and
> cheap in this case is good, less that £50 would be great, less than £30
> even better.
>
Find yourself a 60 deg with a bounce 6 or less John, I'm not sure if they're
available to you but Progen and Tour Edge make some nice wedges in the 30-50
pound region.
Greets Jan
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| Re: Lob wedge recommendation required [message #1035877 ] |
Di, 23 Mai 2006 11:14 |
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Janbouli wrote:
> Find yourself a 60 deg with a bounce 6 or less John, I'm not sure if they're
> available to you but Progen and Tour Edge make some nice wedges in the 30-50
> pound region.
>
Anyone explain to me what is meant by "bounce 6" or whatever? In all my
time playing golf I have never come across or heard the expression before.
Andereida
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| Re: Lob wedge recommendation required [message #1035878 ] |
Di, 23 Mai 2006 18:13 |
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"Janbouli" wrote in message
> Find yourself a 60 deg with a bounce 6 or less John, I'm not sure if
> they're available to you but Progen and Tour Edge make some nice wedges in
> the 30-50 pound region.
Thanks Jan (Rob & Nig)
Those sound exactly like what I'm after. I don't want to spend a lot on the
club as I'm determined to use it sparingly on green side shots only. I'll
try to track some down over here (N.Ireland)
John
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| Re: Lob wedge recommendation required [message #1035879 ] |
Di, 23 Mai 2006 18:19 |
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"Andereida" wrote in message
>> Find yourself a 60 deg with a bounce 6 or less John, I'm not sure if
>> they're available to you but Progen and Tour Edge make some nice wedges
>> in the 30-50 pound region.
>>
> Anyone explain to me what is meant by "bounce 6" or whatever? In all my
> time playing golf I have never come across or heard the expression before.
A very rough description. The sole of the club is more rounded the greater
the degress on bounce. Lots of "bounce" in the case of a sand wedge stops
the club digging into the sand making it much easier to use. However his
also tends to make the leading edge sit up a little making it difficult from
bare lies. (Lots of bladed shots) A club with minimal bounce can be slipped
under the ball easier, it does tend to dig into the ground more if you hit
it fat though.
HTH ... John
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| Re: Lob wedge recommendation required [message #1035881 ] |
Di, 23 Mai 2006 19:07 |
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Andereida wrote:
> Janbouli wrote:
>
>> Find yourself a 60 deg with a bounce 6 or less John, I'm not sure if
>> they're available to you but Progen and Tour Edge make some nice
>> wedges in the 30-50 pound region.
>>
>
> Anyone explain to me what is meant by "bounce 6" or whatever? In all my
> time playing golf I have never come across or heard the expression before.
>
> Andereida
See http://tinyurl.com/kdrpy and http://tinyurl.com/zt7p7
Basically as I understand it, it the angle between the leading and bit
of the sole that touches the ground at address.
Lower the angle, better chance from a tight lies and wet bunkers;
steeper the angle, better for bunkers and fluffy lies and rough etc.
HTH
--
Durram
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| Re: Lob wedge recommendation required [message #1035885 ] |
Di, 23 Mai 2006 23:30 |
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> Anyone explain to me what is meant by "bounce 6" or whatever? In all my
> time playing golf I have never come across or heard the expression before.
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I meant a bounce of 6 degrees or less Andereida, surely you've heard of
that, otherwise you're a very lucky person that never has to go to a
golfshop ( do you find so many balls :-))
Greets Jan
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| Re: Lob wedge recommendation required [message #1035886 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 00:03 |
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Janbouli wrote:
>> Anyone explain to me what is meant by "bounce 6" or whatever? In all my
>> time playing golf I have never come across or heard the expression before.
>>
> I meant a bounce of 6 degrees or less Andereida, surely you've heard of
> that, otherwise you're a very lucky person that never has to go to a
> golfshop ( do you find so many balls :-))
>
> Greets Jan
>
>
No, I learned my golf on a Scottish links where the general idea is to
keep the ball down below the wind. Only wedge I have ever used, or
needed, is a sand wedge. Though I have somewhere at the back of my
garage an old 10-iron which was once useful. Don't see a large variety
of wedges in my pro shop, either.
Andereida
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| Re: Lob wedge recommendation required [message #1035891 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 08:39 |
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Andereida <kbHaguenau [at] btopenworld.com> wrote in
news:6-adnVS6ELZWG-7ZRVnyig [at] bt.com:
> Janbouli wrote:
>>> Anyone explain to me what is meant by "bounce 6" or whatever? In all
>>> my time playing golf I have never come across or heard the
>>> expression before.
>>>
>> I meant a bounce of 6 degrees or less Andereida, surely you've heard
>> of that, otherwise you're a very lucky person that never has to go to
>> a golfshop ( do you find so many balls :-))
>>
>> Greets Jan
>>
>>
> No, I learned my golf on a Scottish links where the general idea is to
> keep the ball down below the wind. Only wedge I have ever used, or
> needed, is a sand wedge. Though I have somewhere at the back of my
> garage an old 10-iron which was once useful. Don't see a large variety
> of wedges in my pro shop, either.
>
> Andereida
>
Similarly here - I learned at Montrose....I only ever had a sand wedge.
But after a lay off of many years, I recently came back to the game to
find it had changed dramatically, but only in terms of the wider variety
of clubs available.
Like an idiot, I tried a "rescue wood", a "driving iron", a "gap wedge"
and a few other more esoteric ballbangers.
Waste of time. My bag now contains 3-9, PW, SW driver, 3 and 5 woods,
all Hawkeye VFT; and a Big Bertha 10 iron, bought brand new at the
London Golf Show for a tenner. And an old putter that looks like a baby
wood, but with a lead sole and beech face, which I found in a junk shop
for a fiver.
So all these "new" terms like bounce and so on are fairly alien to me. I
appreciate that other people might like to use them, but I still get
round in a fair score... ;-) I honestly find that rather than having
three wedges, I prefer to use the old fashioned - and cheaper! - method
of opening the face!
Regards
NB
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| Re: Lob wedge recommendation required [message #1035892 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 10:38 |
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Similar views from myself....I was brought up in the wind, cold and
haar of Angus with the minimum of clubs to jigger about with. I had
heard the term bounce and had a vague idea it was about something to do
with the sole of the club so with this discussion I decided to
investigate and came up with THE most comprehensive explanation,
complete with drawings. It can be found at...
http://www.dynacraftgolf.com/Dynacraft/info_page_presentatio n/TECHNICAL_CONTENT
When you get there look down the page for Clubfitting/Design and the
subsection Wedge Design and Fitting.
You will find all that you need to know there. However it doesn't cover
the wedge that has coil springs fitted to the sole to give a maximum of
bounce needed in our very new, rain soaked, compacted, very expensive,
bloody awful bunkers!!!!
JPW
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| Re: Lob wedge recommendation required [message #1035897 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 14:56 |
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JPW wrote:
> Similar views from myself....I was brought up in the wind, cold and
> haar of Angus with the minimum of clubs to jigger about with. I had
> heard the term bounce and had a vague idea it was about something to do
> with the sole of the club so with this discussion I decided to
> investigate and came up with THE most comprehensive explanation,
> complete with drawings. It can be found at...
>
> http://www.dynacraftgolf.com/Dynacraft/info_page_presentatio n/TECHNICAL_CONTENT
>
> When you get there look down the page for Clubfitting/Design and the
> subsection Wedge Design and Fitting.
>
> You will find all that you need to know there. However it doesn't cover
> the wedge that has coil springs fitted to the sole to give a maximum of
> bounce needed in our very new, rain soaked, compacted, very expensive,
> bloody awful bunkers!!!!
>
> JPW
>
Thanks Pat for that link. Don't think I need to go there (into high-tech
wedges) at my time of life. Should I need to chip over a bunker from a
fairway bare lie I generally use an open-faced 9-iron and hit down on
the ball not scoop it up. But I am sure you know all about that. With
only 12 bunkers on my current (moorland) course sand-saves are a fairly
rare event. Never even thought about using a wedge out of the rough.
All the best
Kenneth
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| Re: Lob wedge recommendation required [message #1035907 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 20:03 |
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Nigel B wrote:
> Andereida <kbHaguenau [at] btopenworld.com> wrote in
> news:6-adnVS6ELZWG-7ZRVnyig [at] bt.com:
>
>
>>Janbouli wrote:
>>
>>>>Anyone explain to me what is meant by "bounce 6" or whatever? In all
>>>>my time playing golf I have never come across or heard the
>>>>expression before.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I meant a bounce of 6 degrees or less Andereida, surely you've heard
>>>of that, otherwise you're a very lucky person that never has to go to
>>>a golfshop ( do you find so many balls :-))
>>>
>>>Greets Jan
>>>
>>>
>>
>>No, I learned my golf on a Scottish links where the general idea is to
>>keep the ball down below the wind. Only wedge I have ever used, or
>>needed, is a sand wedge. Though I have somewhere at the back of my
>>garage an old 10-iron which was once useful. Don't see a large variety
>>of wedges in my pro shop, either.
>>
>>Andereida
>>
>
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> Similarly here - I learned at Montrose....I only ever had a sand wedge.
> But after a lay off of many years, I recently came back to the game to
> find it had changed dramatically, but only in terms of the wider variety
> of clubs available.
>
> Like an idiot, I tried a "rescue wood", a "driving iron", a "gap wedge"
> and a few other more esoteric ballbangers.
>
> Waste of time. My bag now contains 3-9, PW, SW driver, 3 and 5 woods,
> all Hawkeye VFT; and a Big Bertha 10 iron, bought brand new at the
> London Golf Show for a tenner. And an old putter that looks like a baby
> wood, but with a lead sole and beech face, which I found in a junk shop
> for a fiver.
>
> So all these "new" terms like bounce and so on are fairly alien to me. I
> appreciate that other people might like to use them, but I still get
> round in a fair score... ;-) I honestly find that rather than having
> three wedges, I prefer to use the old fashioned - and cheaper! - method
> of opening the face!
>
> Regards
>
> NB
Sand wedge indeed. Bit of a modern gimmick from America that. I learned
my short game with a niblick for pitching and a mashie for the chip shots.
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| Re: Lob wedge recommendation required [message #1035909 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 21:23 |
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"Nigel B" wrote in message
> I honestly find that rather than having
> three wedges, I prefer to use the old fashioned - and cheaper! - method
> of opening the face!
Which also suits me just fine of a nice lie (One on which the ball is
sitting on grass) However off a bare lie behind a bunker (Where those damn
trolleys keep getting wheeled) its impossible. The leading edge of my sand
wedge sits too high and means thinned shots every time, and thats not just
because I'm talentless either ;o)
John
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| Re: Lob wedge recommendation required [message #1035910 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 21:29 |
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"Janbouli" wrote in message
> Find yourself a 60 deg with a bounce 6 or less John, I'm not sure if
> they're available to you but Progen and Tour Edge make some nice wedges in
> the 30-50 pound region.
Called into that most hallowed of gof shops called "JJB Sports" today :o)
They had Progen wedges but there seemed to be just a little too much bounce
for my liking. They did however have Maxfli tour <ha> wedges for a mere
£29.99. They had 60 and 64 degrees models. I was very tempted to go for the
64 but the 60 seemed to have a little less bounce and looked less
threatening at address if you know what I mean so I went for that. Hit a few
shots in my garden today and all seems well, no proper golf until Friday and
Saturday when I'll get a better idea if its money well spent.
John
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