| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085133 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 06:16 |
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Mr Bigun wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:31:18 -0500, Tim McGaughy <teekem [at] ispwest.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Bob wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:42:37 -0500, Tim McGaughy <teekem [at] ispwest.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>The bastards hide behind women's skirts and baby cribs, or haven't you
>>>>>noticed. Collateral damage is unavoidable.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Bullshit. They can track Hezbollah down without shelling neighborhoods.
>>>
>>>
>>>The Israelis are under no obligation to increase their risk of
>>>casualties just to avoid human shields.
>>
>>Yeah, cuz those airports will just sneak up and smack on you while
>>you're not looking. And no innocent person would be at an airport unless
>>a terrorist dragged them there.
>>
>>Maybe you'll care when you can't fill yer car with gas for under $100.
>
>
> Maybe you'll care when you can't fill yer car with gas unless you wear
> a turban.
And what makes you think there's even a remote chance that would happen?
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085137 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 06:22 |
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Atlas Bugged wrote:
> "Tim McGaughy" <teekem [at] ispwest.com> wrote in message
> news:e9bjar02b2r [at] enews2.newsguy.com...
>
>>Yeah, cuz those airports will just sneak up and smack on you while you're
>>not looking. And no innocent person would be at an airport unless a
>>terrorist dragged them there.
>>
>>Maybe you'll care when you can't fill yer car with gas for under $100.
>
>
> Tim, please. This whole issue is brain damaged. There is no issue. One
> side will settle for any flavor of peaceful co-existence. The other insists
> the adversary die.
Which is which?
I watched people in interviews crying because they had to leave their
new homes in israeli settlements during the pullouts a few months back.
They were devastated that they were losing something they'd taken by force.
This is not white and black. There are thugs and disgusting people on
both sides.
There is zero symmetry, and one is obviously the evil
> aggressor. What part of this eludes you?
Nothing eludes me, and that includes attempts to demonize an opponent.
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085140 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 06:26 |
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TUKA wrote:
> On 2006-07-15, Tim McGaughy <teekem [at] ispwest.com> wrote:
>
>>Robert J. Kolker wrote:
>>
>>>Bob wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:42:37 -0500, Tim McGaughy <teekem [at] ispwest.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>The bastards hide behind women's skirts and baby cribs, or haven't
>>>>>>you noticed. Collateral damage is unavoidable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Bullshit. They can track Hezbollah down without shelling neighborhoods.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The Israelis are under no obligation to increase their risk of
>>>>casualties just to avoid human shields.
>>>
>>>
>>>Amen. Selah. It is the agressors who launch their attacks from areas in
>>>which civillians live that are to blame for civillian casualities.
>>
>>Which is why we should have gone in with tanks and guns and bombed the
>>shit out of Oklahoma City when Timothy McVeigh and his friends dared to
>>damage one of our federal buildings.
>
>
> Well Sparky, if the citizens of Oklahoma had in general given aid and
> comfort to McVeigh and friends and allowed them to openly operate among
> them, that might indeed have happened. But of course it didn't, and another
> of your analogies goes up in flames.
Demonstrate first that this is done on a universal scale in the middle
east. Demonstrate also that McVeigh did not recieve aid and comfort.
>
> It becomes clear you are either a complete and utter idiot, or a
> shameless troll. I guess I don't care which -- each belongs in a
> killfile.
Kewl. Bye.
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085143 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 06:51 |
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On 2006-07-15 13:45:01 -0700, Tim McGaughy <teekem [at] ispwest.com> said:
>> As for innocent civilians there are none under Islam.
>
> Bigotry noted.
How is quoting the Quran termed 'bigotry'? Oh, wait, you had no idea
that was a Quran reference... of course!
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085144 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 06:51 |
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On 2006-07-15 15:06:13 -0700, TUKA <tuka [at] tuka.valuemedia.com> said:
> Interesting that you think Israel can perform criminal investigations in
> Lebanon and other environs. I retract my suggestion for starting a
> consulting business, unless you are planning a "how to be stupid" class.
ROTFLOL - Spot on!
I guess Tim's illustrating what it means to be 'disconnected' from the
real world.
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085147 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 06:53 |
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On 2006-07-15 13:39:35 -0700, Tim McGaughy <teekem [at] ispwest.com> said:
> Which is why we should have gone in with tanks and guns and bombed the
> shit out of Oklahoma City when Timothy McVeigh and his friends dared to
> damage one of our federal buildings.
In case there was any more doubt abot you being a fucking dumb,
uneducated, moron - you have just erase any of it it.
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085148 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 06:35 |
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Zev wrote:
> Tim McGaughy wrote:
>
>>>>Bullshit. They can track Hezbollah down without shelling neighborhoods.
>
>
>>>Hire yourself out as a consultant and share your knowledge of
>>>how to do that. It is unique in the world.
>
>
>>Criminal investigations happen every day, Sparky. It certainly isn't unique.
>
>
> "Criminal investigation"!?
>
> Are you suggesting that Israel send policemen
> to Lebanon to look for and arrest Hezbollah terrorists?
They'd be able to do just that if there was a spirit of cooperation
between the governments.
Just curious... You do realize there's a solid christian presence in
Lebanon, don't you?
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085149 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 06:36 |
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Mr Bigun wrote:
> On 15 Jul 2006 14:51:43 -0700, "Zev" <zev_horn [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Tim McGaughy wrote:
>>
>>>>>Bullshit. They can track Hezbollah down without shelling neighborhoods.
>>
>>>>Hire yourself out as a consultant and share your knowledge of
>>>>how to do that. It is unique in the world.
>>
>>>Criminal investigations happen every day, Sparky. It certainly isn't unique.
>>
>>"Criminal investigation"!?
>>
>>Are you suggesting that Israel send policemen
>>to Lebanon to look for and arrest Hezbollah terrorists?
>>
>>Have you gone mad?
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>
>
>
>
> Another ignorant goyim heard from. Oy vey!!
Bigotry noted.
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085150 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 06:38 |
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TUKA wrote:
> On 2006-07-15, Tim McGaughy <teekem [at] ispwest.com> wrote:
>
>>TUKA wrote:
>>
>>>On 2006-07-15, Tim McGaughy <teekem [at] ispwest.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Robert J. Kolker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Tim McGaughy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Fine. Let them kill off their antagonists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But while they're doing it, they need to leave the innocent civilians
>>>>>>the fuck alone.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The bastards hide behind women's skirts and baby cribs, or haven't you
>>>>>noticed. Collateral damage is unavoidable.
>>>>
>>>>Bullshit. They can track Hezbollah down without shelling neighborhoods.
>>>
>>>
>>>Hire yourself out as a consultant and share your knowledge of
>>>how to do that. It is unique in the world.
>>
>>Criminal investigations happen every day, Sparky. It certainly
>>isn't unique.
>
>
> Interesting that you think Israel can perform criminal investigations in
> Lebanon and other environs.
You don't think the israeli government can scrape up undercover agents
who look lebanese? The U.S. can.
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085152 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 06:57 |
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> Atlas Bugged wrote:
>> Tim, please. This whole issue is brain damaged. There is no issue. One
>> side will settle for any flavor of peaceful co-existence. The other
>> insists
>> the adversary die.
"Tim McGaughy" <teekem [at] ispwest.com> wrote in message
news:e9ceuv02rat [at] enews4.newsguy.com...
> Which is which?
Cute. I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where Israel announced that
the Arab/Muslim world must be destroyed, no matter what they do or do not
do.
>
> I watched people in interviews crying because they had to leave their new
> homes in israeli settlements during the pullouts a few months back. They
> were devastated that they were losing something they'd taken by force.
An obvious sub-issue, however tragic.
Let's try again: The Arabs want Israel destroyed. It is not contingent.
They must die simply for who they are. It's non-negotiable with Hamas et
al.
The Israelis just want to be left alone peacably.
>
> This is not white and black. There are thugs and disgusting people on both
> sides.
It's as B&W as anything can get. You have murderers, you have victims, but
the victims have greater power. They're still the victims. And the Arabs
are still the murderers.
>
> There is zero symmetry, and one is obviously the evil
>> aggressor. What part of this eludes you?
>
> Nothing eludes me, and that includes attempts to demonize an opponent.
The "opponent" openly demands murder. I ain't demonizing shit.
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085154 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 06:42 |
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Mr Bigun wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:45:01 -0500, Tim McGaughy <teekem [at] ispwest.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Stephen Fairchild wrote:
>>
>>>Tim McGaughy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Bob wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:36:04 -0500, Tim McGaughy <teekem [at] ispwest.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>But while they're doing it, they need to leave the innocent civilians
>>>>>>the fuck alone.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The terrorists force civilians into combat areas - human shields. The
>>>>>only response is to kill them along with the terrorists.
>>>>
>>>>No.
>>>>
>>>>Terrorists don't spend 24 hours a day hiding behind hostages.
>>>
>>>
>>>Sure they don't not when they are at home but when they are in combat it's
>>>another story.
>>>
>>>As for innocent civilians there are none under Islam.
>>
>>Bigotry noted.
>
>
>
> Stone ignorant stupidity also noted.
Well, yeah, I did note that as well. Thanks for the correction.
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085155 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 06:41 |
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Geoffrey O'Dwinner wrote:
> Tim McGaughy <teekem [at] ispwest.com> wrote in
> news:e9bk4e42bir [at] enews2.newsguy.com:
>
>
>>Stephen Fairchild wrote:
>>
>>>Tim McGaughy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Bob wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:36:04 -0500, Tim McGaughy
>>>>><teekem [at] ispwest.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>But while they're doing it, they need to leave the innocent
>>>>>>civilians the fuck alone.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The terrorists force civilians into combat areas - human shields.
>>>>>The only response is to kill them along with the terrorists.
>>>>
>>>>No.
>>>>
>>>>Terrorists don't spend 24 hours a day hiding behind hostages.
>>>
>>>
>>>Sure they don't not when they are at home but when they are in combat
>>>it's another story.
>>>
>>>As for innocent civilians there are none under Islam.
>>
>>Bigotry noted.
>
>
> You'd have shouted "bigotry!" during WWII when people opposed the Nazis,
> chump.
Godwin's law. You lose.
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085156 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 06:41 |
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Bob wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:42:45 -0500, Tim McGaughy <teekem [at] ispwest.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>People in the middle east don't have that kind of freedom of movement.
>
>
> You sure could have fooled me. Most of the terrorists come from other
> countries.
Most terrorists don't drag their families around and have steady jobs.
It's harder for a family to relocate, especially across borders.
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085215 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 08:24 |
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Robert J. Kolker wrote:
> Mr Bigun wrote:
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> >
> >
> >
> > Another ignorant goyim heard from. Oy vey!!
>
> Goyim is plural. Goy is singular.
>
> Bob Kolker
Baruch Hashem, I am neither.
Zev
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085256 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 12:07 |
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On 2006-07-15 21:35:34 -0700, Tim McGaughy <teekem [at] ispwest.com> said:
> They'd be able to do just that if there was a spirit of cooperation
> between the governments.
Oh, but you are admitting that there isn't, so you are talking in
utopian dreams then?
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085258 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 12:09 |
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On 2006-07-15 21:22:50 -0700, Tim McGaughy <teekem [at] ispwest.com> said:
> Nothing eludes me
Oh that statement alone deserves to be framed... said by the guy who's
completely lost track of reality.
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085271 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 13:22 |
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L'il Kim Jong Perkoff wrote:
> I don't know if it is too "ferocious", or not, but i think the whole
> Gaza and Lebanon thing is kind of over reacting to a couple of soldiers
> being kidnapped.
>
Are you american... I only ask because its almost an a par with the Iraq
conflict and 9/11!
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085281 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 14:19 |
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"Jorgé Kilmister" <jkilmister [at] motorhead.co.uk> wrote in message
news:f4kjb2hijfdt57c7t238pcolrusflo3khf [at] 4ax.com...
> He doesn't lose because he Godwinned. Godwin's law says nothing about
> losing upon Godwinning. It simply states that "As a Usenet discussion
> grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or
> Hitler approaches one."
>
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/
Another very authoritative Godwin FAQ, for those who give a frak.
http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/faqs/godwin.html
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085290 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 15:45 |
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Tim McGaughy wrote:
>
>
> Israel can't force them to keep the prices down.
We can, if we use force. So what do the Israelis have to do with this?
Besides, China has fired up economically and is now bidding up the price
of oil to run its own machinery. What does Israel have to do with this?
When ants spoil your picnic, just blame the Jews. Right?
Bob Kolker
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085302 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 16:01 |
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zev_horn [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> Robert J. Kolker wrote:
>
>>Mr Bigun wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Another ignorant goyim heard from. Oy vey!!
>>
>>Goyim is plural. Goy is singular.
>>
>>Bob Kolker
>
>
> Baruch Hashem, I am neither.
Baruch ha'Sherm. Neither am I. Alhumdul'illah!
Bob Kolker
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085312 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 15:31 |
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On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:45:37 -0500, "Robert J. Kolker"
<nowhere [at] nowhere.com> wrote:
>When ants spoil your picnic, just blame the Jews. Right?
Only if the ants have beards.
--
Stop Repeat Offenders!
Don't Re-elect Them!
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085326 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 15:50 |
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Zoolook wrote:
> L'il Kim Jong Perkoff wrote:
>> I don't know if it is too "ferocious", or not, but i think the whole
>> Gaza and Lebanon thing is kind of over reacting to a couple of
> soldiers
>> being kidnapped.
>>
>
> Are you american... I only ask because its almost an a par with the
> Iraq
> conflict and 9/11!
Isreal has nukes. Watch how Bush will support Isreals use of them.
--
www.truthout.org
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085370 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 17:39 |
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> Christy Hemme's Forehead wrote:
>> You don't offer a truce with cancer.
The entire mideast situation is that simple. I don't know why I even
discuss it. Maybe having a Jewish background gets me a little worked up,
since the relevant psychos would like to murder me.
>>A prissy live-and-let-live, "let's be neighbors" response is not going to
>>cut it. It doesn't take guts to succumb to peer pressure. The only reason
>>that's even on the table is because Israel doesn't want to come off as the
>>bad guys. If it were just them, and the Arabs, with nobody else watching,
>>what do you think would happen?
"Robert J. Kolker" <nowhere [at] nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:4hqgvcFsp1pU4 [at] individual.net...
> There would eventually be no Muslims left, given Muslim hostility.
Pure assertion, and there is every reason to believe it is incorrect. All
manner of societies in human history have adapted to change after sufficient
unbeatable force was applied. This has occurred whether the force was for
good or ill.
> Israelis understand the Talmud well. If he comes to murder you, rise up
> early and kill him first (Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 72A).
I have never heard of this. Would you mind repeating it?
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085374 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 17:49 |
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On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:39:40 GMT, "Atlas Bugged"
<atlasbuggedBYspam [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>All manner of societies in human history have adapted to change after sufficient
>unbeatable force was applied. This has occurred whether the force was for
>good or ill.
The common thread is the extent to which govt is allowed to amass
centralized power.
Govt is the root of all evil. Tyrannicide is the solution, not
genocide.
Wreck the economy of your enemy so the new govt has to spend all its
time repairing it, and does not have the resources to amass enough
power to become beligerant.
We are now paying the price of not facing up to the Islamics in 1974.
We caved in and gave them the resources to amass enormous destructive
power. Iran as a society is no better off than it was back then,
because they spent all their new-found oil wealth on weapns.
N. Korea sold them those weapons, and thereby amassed its wealth which
it has used to make more weapons.
The main reason parts of the world are pissed off at the Iraq invasion
is because it disrupted the weapons based economies. Every time you
hear some leftist queer commie whining about the Iraq situation, what
he is really doing is expressing his hostility at the curtailment of a
sweet deal selling weapons to Iraq.
--
Stop Repeat Offenders!
Don't Re-elect Them!
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085433 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 19:16 |
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> <atlasbuggedBYspam [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>>Pure assertion, and there is every reason to believe it is incorrect. All
>>manner of societies in human history have adapted to change after
>>sufficient
>>unbeatable force was applied.
>
"Mr Bigun" <BIGUN [at] yourtonsils.net> wrote in message
news:cfrkb29iu9rbn4o4tknjbvud6p81hv33od [at] 4ax.com...
> ... If that was the case, muslims would have changed after the
> crusades. they haven't.. they are as bad , or wrose, now..
> and you cant apply much more force than near genocide...
That is a good point. I think times are sufficiently different now, due to
all manner of technological change, that people will behave differently now.
Communications and media are such that remaining stone-ignorant has become a
far greater act of will. Babies survive childhood and a family has more
than a slim chance of living and prospering, a fact that has only recently
become true. So ideological idiocy has become far more expensive. Finally,
I think the near-extinction you note probably *did* have considerable
cleansing effect, but the infection has been permitted to re-grow. And I
actually doubt it is precisely the same virus.
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085581 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 22:36 |
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Mr Bigun wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:47:20 -0500, Tim McGaughy <teekem [at] ispwest.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>kitekrazy wrote:
>>
>>>"grativo" <grativo [at] aol.com> wrote in
>>>news:1152907110.161415.3360 [at] p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>The whole reason for the protracted conflict is that neither side has
>>>>>the guts to commit to what needs to be done even though the writing's
>>>>>on the wall. Pitiful suicide bombings and kidnappings, or "ferocious"
>>>>>responses leaving infrastructure and civilization intact are not
>>>>>going to do it.
>>>>
>>>>I think Israelies have shown more guts, because they're saying they're
>>>>not opposed to living beside some kind of a palestinian state.<
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Only because of pressure from the outside world. Interesting that no one
>>>in the Middle East wants the Palestinians.
>>
>>Maybe you noticed they don't want the israelis, either.
>
>
> Maybe you noticed the Israelis aren't running around crying about
> someone living on "their" land, and bombing buses, schools, and
> discos for the shit of it?
No, they're crying about not being able to live on OTHER people's land.
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085582 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 22:38 |
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Nemesis wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:47:20 -0500, Tim McGaughy <teekem [at] ispwest.com>
> with the help of a thousand monkeys banging on keyboards, was finally
> able to type out the following:
>
>
>>kitekrazy wrote:
>>
>>>"grativo" <grativo [at] aol.com> wrote in
>>>news:1152907110.161415.3360 [at] p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>The whole reason for the protracted conflict is that neither side has
>>>>>the guts to commit to what needs to be done even though the writing's
>>>>>on the wall. Pitiful suicide bombings and kidnappings, or "ferocious"
>>>>>responses leaving infrastructure and civilization intact are not
>>>>>going to do it.
>>>>
>>>>I think Israelies have shown more guts, because they're saying they're
>>>>not opposed to living beside some kind of a palestinian state.<
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Only because of pressure from the outside world. Interesting that no one
>>>in the Middle East wants the Palestinians.
>>
>>Maybe you noticed they don't want the israelis, either.
>
>
> Apparently you haven't noticed that the rest of the Middle East is
> composed mostly of Muslims who hate Jews so only an idiot would make
> that kind of comparison.
Only an idiot wouldn't think to wonder WHY they hate the jews.
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085591 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 22:40 |
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Atlas Bugged wrote:
>>Stephen Fairchild wrote:
>>
>>>As for innocent civilians there are none under Islam.
>
>
> "Tim McGaughy" <teekem [at] ispwest.com> wrote in message
> news:e9bk4e42bir [at] enews2.newsguy.com...
>
>>Bigotry noted.
>
>
> There are a minority who are innocent. The Palestinians overwhelmingly
> chose terrorism
No.
The majority of them are not terrorists.
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085592 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 22:42 |
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Robert J. Kolker wrote:
> Tim McGaughy wrote:
>
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>>
>> Israel can't force them to keep the prices down.
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> We can, if we use force.
How's that working out?
I seem to recall Bush was gonna just casually step into Iraq and start
the oilfields right up.
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085608 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 23:00 |
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Atlas Bugged wrote:
>>Atlas Bugged wrote:
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>>>Tim, please. This whole issue is brain damaged. There is no issue. One
>>>side will settle for any flavor of peaceful co-existence. The other
>>>insists
>>>the adversary die.
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>
> "Tim McGaughy" <teekem [at] ispwest.com> wrote in message
> news:e9ceuv02rat [at] enews4.newsguy.com...
>
>>Which is which?
>
>
> Cute. I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where Israel announced that
> the Arab/Muslim world must be destroyed, no matter what they do or do not
> do.
You must have also missed the part where an israeli general announced
that he was going to rewind Lebanon's clock about 20 years.
I guess they're happy replaying the last 20 years of this shit.
>>I watched people in interviews crying because they had to leave their new
>>homes in israeli settlements during the pullouts a few months back. They
>>were devastated that they were losing something they'd taken by force.
>
>
> An obvious sub-issue, however tragic.
Nothing sub about it. You think the israelis are shining knights in
spotless armor. I'm just telling you they're not.
> Let's try again: The Arabs want Israel destroyed.
The israelis want the arabs destroyed.
Gee, it's so fun to paint with the big brushes. Let's talk about past
israeli policies like exacting retribution on a terrorist's FAMILY
whether or not they've even been in contact with him for years. We'll
talk about grabbing land under the stated intent of trying to control
the border, but in fact simply letting israeli citizens settle on it. Ir
onically, requiring another land grab to protect THEM.
Then, lets pretend every israeli is personally responsible for these acts.
Wow. I love painting with the big brushes.
It is not contingent.
> They must die simply for who they are. It's non-negotiable with Hamas et
> al.
>
> The Israelis just want to be left alone peacably.
No, they don't. They want revenge.
Someone who wants peace doesn't rip into another nation over one
kidnapped soldier.
>>This is not white and black. There are thugs and disgusting people on both
>>sides.
>
>
> It's as B&W as anything can get. You have murderers, you have victims, but
> the victims have greater power. They're still the victims. And the Arabs
> are still the murderers.
They're not at war with the arabs, you dumb uneducated fuck. They're at
ware with the lebanese. and they're currently putting muslims,
christians, american citizens, british citizens, french citizens at risk.
You think lebanon is just muslims? Gross ignorance.
>>Nothing eludes me, and that includes attempts to demonize an opponent.
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> The "opponent" openly demands murder.
So do the israelis.
There's that big brush again.
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Mon, 17 July 2006 00:26 |
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Tim McGaughy wrote:
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> How's that working out?
>
> I seem to recall Bush was gonna just casually step into Iraq and start
> the oilfields right up.
That sounds like a Dick Cheney/Donald Rumsfeld wet dream.
Bob Kolker
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Sun, 16 July 2006 23:10 |
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Jorgé Kilmister wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:35:34 -0500, Tim McGaughy <teekem [at] ispwest.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>Are you suggesting that Israel send policemen
>>>to Lebanon to look for and arrest Hezbollah terrorists?
>>
>>They'd be able to do just that if there was a spirit of cooperation
>>between the governments.
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>
> Oh lol
>
>
>>Just curious... You do realize there's a solid christian presence in
>>Lebanon, don't you?
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> In their government?
The Free Patriotic Movement has a minority but solid presence in
Lebanon's parliament.
They're christian, by the way.
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Sun, 16 July 2006 23:13 |
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Mr Bigun wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:41:53 -0500, Tim McGaughy <teekem [at] ispwest.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Geoffrey O'Dwinner wrote:
>>
>>>Tim McGaughy <teekem [at] ispwest.com> wrote in
>>>news:e9bk4e42bir [at] enews2.newsguy.com:
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>>>
>>>
>>>>Stephen Fairchild wrote:
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>>>>>Tim McGaughy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Bob wrote:
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>>>>>>>On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:36:04 -0500, Tim McGaughy
>>>>>>><teekem [at] ispwest.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But while they're doing it, they need to leave the innocent
>>>>>>>>civilians the fuck alone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The terrorists force civilians into combat areas - human shields.
>>>>>>>The only response is to kill them along with the terrorists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Terrorists don't spend 24 hours a day hiding behind hostages.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Sure they don't not when they are at home but when they are in combat
>>>>>it's another story.
>>>>>
>>>>>As for innocent civilians there are none under Islam.
>>>>
>>>>Bigotry noted.
>>>
>>>
>>>You'd have shouted "bigotry!" during WWII when people opposed the Nazis,
>>>chump.
>>
>>Godwin's law. You lose.
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>
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> Darwin's Law.. You Lost!!
I got a kid, chump. I've already won. You need to get started on a
girlfriend before YOU lose.
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| Re: Complaining About the "ferocity" of the Israeli response... [message #1085617 ] |
Mon, 17 July 2006 00:32 |
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Tim McGaughy wrote:
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> The israelis want the arabs destroyed.
Actually not. The Israelis made peace with Egypt (the peace treaty still
holds) and Egypt is a Muslim country. The Israelis would be happy of
their neihbors would stop trying to wipe them out.
>
>
>
> Someone who wants peace doesn't rip into another nation over one
> kidnapped soldier.
You are quite wrong. One kidnamppings leads to the next. One thing the
Israelis are not, is pacifists. They are not Quakers. They will not bare
their throats to those trying to kill them.
> They're not at war with the arabs, you dumb uneducated fuck. They're at
> ware with the lebanese. and they're currently putting muslims,
> christians, american citizens, british citizens, french citizens at risk.
That was Hizbollah's doing. Two weeks ago Lebenon was not being attacked
and bombed. What happened? Hizbollah gorillas kidnapped two IDF people
at the border and started firing rockets into Israel. That is what
happened. The Israelis responded.
Tell me, sport, what should we have done when the Japs bombed Pearl
Harbor. Should we have sat down with them and try to be friends? If
thine enemy smite thee on they cheek, tear his head off and shit down
his neck.
Bob Kolker
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